deal referenced above was he ended up scoring a TD on either a botched FG run or a fake punt run against Florida I believe. Took it to the house and was holding the ball out while high stepping into the end zone.
Bomb of a leg, not sure what hes done with Pittsburgh
In 2014, Wing signed a contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers to serve as the punter and holder for field goals and PATs. In the fourth quarter of a game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, his punt went only 29 yards, giving the ball to the Buccaneers at the Steelers' 46-yard line with 40 seconds to go. The Buccaneers scored the game-winning touchdown a few plays later.[12]
In a game against the Baltimore Ravens on November 2, 2014, following a botched snap on a point-after kick for which Wing was the holder, Wing completed a pass to Matt Spaeth for a two-point conversion.
Pittsburgh Steelers[edit]
In 2014, Wing signed a contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers to serve as the punter and holder for field goals and PATs. In the fourth quarter of a game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, his punt went only 29 yards, giving the ball to the Buccaneers at the Steelers' 46-yard line with 40 seconds to go. The Buccaneers scored the game-winning touchdown a few plays later.[12]
In a game against the Baltimore Ravens on November 2, 2014, following a botched snap on a point-after kick for which Wing was the holder, Wing completed a pass to Matt Spaeth for a two-point conversion.
Why Wing over guys like Zastudil and Fields? They can't be seeking THAT much money. And to give up a draft pick for what is pretty much an untested punter, even if it's a 7th rounder. It just seems odd.
If it's a 6th or lower, then your chances of finding anyone that spends significant time on a roster doing anything but exchanging air for carbon dioxide are slim to none.
And I'm totally prepared to see half this place go nuclear over the pick just like they did over Beason. And Beason was a linebacker who had a history of playing at a high level.. now we're talking about a punter. Meltdowns will be had.
Why Wing over guys like Zastudil and Fields? They can't be seeking THAT much money. And to give up a draft pick for what is pretty much an untested punter, even if it's a 7th rounder. It just seems odd.
Zastudil is old. He was probably cut from his team for the same reason Weatherford was just cut. Declining.
The same might be said for Fields. Yeah, he's a former pro bowler, but if he's not playing at that level any more, you'd move on.
If the Giants see Wing as a viable punter for this season and beyond
Naturally there was uproar amongst some fans and no small amount wonder at what would make the Cardinals certain that Drew Butler was the best option after last year. In fact, during Bruce Arians usual Q&A on Monday via arizonasports.com he addressed questions on the decision saying,
"I think he [Drew Butler] won the battle easily on a daily basis."
If it's a 6th or lower, then your chances of finding anyone that spends significant time on a roster doing anything but exchanging air for carbon dioxide are slim to none.
Geremy Davis and Bobby Hart say otherwise.
Hope it's conditional and requires significant performance or the pick comes back.
experience has scarred some Giants fans permanently. Punting really isn't that hard guys. Most are not Matt Dodge. Here's some reassurance on this guy
Quote:
"When I came to LSU I just finished coaching Matt Dodge [with the New York Giants] and we drafted Matt Dodge in the sixth round. And Brad was better than Matt Dodge his freshman year at LSU,"
is going to be similar to the one the Giants got from the Broncos last year where McManus had to be on the roster for a certain number of games in order to receive the pick.
If it's a 6th or lower, then your chances of finding anyone that spends significant time on a roster doing anything but exchanging air for carbon dioxide are slim to none.
Geremy Davis and Bobby Hart say otherwise.
Hope it's conditional and requires significant performance or the pick comes back.
What do they say - 'Hey, I almost made the roster!'.
in this high scoring league. If this guy can turn the field for us, it was a good trade. More importantly, then last years stats is how he performed this preseason?
a good punter or long snapper after the Trey Junkin and Matt Dodge disasters.
I don't think anyone's dismissing the importance - mostly back and forth as to whether or not this guy is good enough and whether the price paid (which we don't know yet) was justified.
FWIW - Weatherford hasn't looked good this preseason, and wasn't too great last year. Continuity at holder is important, and you sure as hell don't want to downgrade at the position, but a savings of $2M is nothing to sneeze about, it can help us fill another hole.
but the kicking was going down, like others said, this is a now move, TC is a directional guy and field position will help a defense in need of every edge to improve
was going to get cut from the Steelers but we gave up a draft pick. Also,considering there are quality punters available as FAs,I wonder why they made the trade? Wing is only 24,certainly has upside so I guess we'll let him prove himself to the faithful!
for me is that it honestly doesn't seem like Wing was all that good last year.
That's fair - and all I can assume is that the Giants either figure he's better than that or that if anything he's a minor downgrade from where Weatherford is now, and is worth saving $2m on. The relationship between the Giants and Steelers leaves me to believe that they wouldn't take on Wing without a recommendation.
RE: I think the only thing that bothers me is Wing probably
was going to get cut from the Steelers but we gave up a draft pick. Also,considering there are quality punters available as FAs,I wonder why they made the trade? Wing is only 24,certainly has upside so I guess we'll let him prove himself to the faithful!
Mcmanus was going to get cut by the Giants and Denver gave up a 7th for him...
for me is that it honestly doesn't seem like Wing was all that good last year.
Yeah, I don't even care about the 7th round pick, especially if the P is a proven commodity in the NFL, and a decent to good punter. But if he wasn't even good last year, it's a head-scracther. And no, I'm not going to take the Giants word for it that they see something in him with the way our ST's have been over the years.
was going to get cut from the Steelers but we gave up a draft pick. Also,considering there are quality punters available as FAs,I wonder why they made the trade? Wing is only 24,certainly has upside so I guess we'll let him prove himself to the faithful!
Mcmanus was going to get cut by the Giants and Denver gave up a 7th for him...
It happens all the time...
I agree it does but we kept hearing TC wanted a directional punter-Wing is not that!
was going to get cut from the Steelers but we gave up a draft pick. Also,considering there are quality punters available as FAs,I wonder why they made the trade? Wing is only 24,certainly has upside so I guess we'll let him prove himself to the faithful!
Mcmanus was going to get cut by the Giants and Denver gave up a 7th for him...
It happens all the time...
I agree it does but we kept hearing TC wanted a directional punter-Wing is not that!
Steelers traded for Scobee...
Hey i will be the first to admit i have no idea what kind of punter he is...so i am not going to argue that, maybe the Giants see something in him..
also he is under control next year as well so if he punts well they have a punter for 500 thousand rather than 2 million...
Most important aspect of this for me, IMO, will be what the Giants
do with the money they save. If they turn around and sign someone, or extend a pending FA, with money that they wouldn't have had otherwise, then it makes sense. I can't speak for their talent evaluation, but trading a low round pick instead of waiting for cuts isn't a terrible move if they don't think anyone decent was going to shake out and if they know there is going to be enough competition for anyone who does come loose.
was in the works before last night's game. Perhaps TC thought, let's see how Weatherford does against the Pats. If not well,, then let's pull trigger on trade.
we had Matt Dodge blow shit up in our face so we should never trade for a punter again. Even though we didn't even trade for Matt Dodge. And one has nothing to do with the other.
We should just stop doing anything. Because of Matt Dodge.
we had Matt Dodge blow shit up in our face so we should never trade for a punter again. Even though we didn't even trade for Matt Dodge. And one has nothing to do with the other.
We should just stop doing anything. Because of Matt Dodge.
Made me legitimately laugh.
I guess there was somebody ahead of us in the waiver line...
...who also needs a punter. That by itself would explain the trade. Wing was probably going to lose his job to an undrafted rookie, but it was a close contest. He's certainly one of the 32 best punters, and has more upside than most.
The only surprising aspect is that he has struggled with directional kicking, which is a Coughlin hot button.
In the end, it really is just one punt. But Berry showed an ability to pin an opponent, something Wing struggled mightily with last season. The fact that they have been so disgustingly equal this pre-season has largely served to disappoint those who would wish Wing sayonara no matter how well he might perform between now and roster cut-down day. All else being equal, in Pittsburgh, it's hard to knock a returning player off the roster without clearly defeating him.
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Good Trade.
Jordan Berry offers little more hang time than Brad Wing, so I like this trade. The problem with Wings punts other than occasional shanks was he would outkick the coverage because his hang time isnt great.
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Details are still coming in about what the Steelers received in return, but if the organization receives even a low draft pick for the trade it would be a win for having two punters who performed admirably throughout the 2015 preseason in what became the most unlikely tight race of training camp and preseason. The draft pick the Steelers receive would be a solid return for them dealing out their own sixth round pick to the Jaguars in order to acquire kicker Josh Scobee.
Brad Wing performed well enough in his rookie season with the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2014 to warrant his return to the team, but he came up against a tough opponent in rookie Jordan Berry.
Same Poster 2016 Draft- the Giants select in the 7th round guy you probably never heard of and is not listed in any draft guides" oh no I hate that pick that guy sucks what is Reese doing"
The comedic gold is priceless
Weatherford wasn't really that great either when we signed
him from the Jets, if I remember right. Plus he didn't get along with his coach at all. I think they hated each other and Weatherford was so bold as to change a call on the field by running a fake punt.
McGaughey was his ST coach at LSU who also coached Dodge and the article quotes him saying Wing is better:
"The 22-year-old Australian was arrested in 2011 for simple battery, engaged in a shouting match with McGaughey during a contest and was suspended for LSU's bowl game this year after a failed drug test."
Especially don't like that he's supposedly nothing but a big leg who's not adept at pinning the opponent deep.
But I bet one reason we went after him was because he's left-footed, and their punts spin the opposite direction, making them more difficult to catch cleanly.
The New York Giants have a new punter today after releasing veteran Steve Weatherford and acquiring Brad Wing from the Pittsburgh Steelers in exchange for a conditional seventh round draft choice.
Weatherford, who spent the last four seasons of his 11-year NFL career with the Giants, punted 311 times for the team with a net average of 38.8 yards per punt, and landed 97 inside the 20. He will be remembered for the hold -- and the ensuing celebration -- on Lawrence Tynes 31-yard overtime field goal in the NFC Championship Game against the San Francisco 49ers that sent the Giants to Super Bowl XLVI.
Wing, originally undrafted out of LSU in 2013, punted in all 16 regular-season games for the Steelers last season and also handled their holding duties. He punted 61 times with a 43.7-yard average and landed 20 inside the 20-yard line. His average of 8.2 yards per return ranked 12thin the NFL in 2014 while his net average of 38.8 was good for 20th. Wing also played in the Steelers Wild Card loss to the Baltimore Ravens, knocking two of his three punts inside the 20.
Wing, a lefty from Melbourne, Australia, started his pro career as a rookie free agent with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2013 before being released prior to the regular season. He then signed with Pittsburgh on Jan. 3, 2014.
What the fuck? TC and staff with their usual lsu bias.
At the risk of possibly stealing YANKEE28's thunder (this is a Y28 special), we have a mole at LSU, Thomas McGaughey, former asst. ST Coordinator for the NYG. Thomas McGaughey LSU Bio - ( New Window )
but in McManus' case wasn't it a certain number of games on the active roster?
The worst case scenario here is we're out a 7th. Best case we have a replacement for Weatherford and save $1.6M, and most likely is he doesn't pan out and we pick up the same vet punter off the wire without having to guarantee his salary.
Probably has to be with the team for a number of weeks, just like McManus was for Denver. If he was released by a certain NFL week, the Giants didn't have to give a pick.
Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
do you think TC and Reese didn't have that info? If not, don't you think they addressed that up front and are confident it wont be an issue?
Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Did you read the article? Its not just about partying. There were reports of multiple failed drug tests. They say he has a big personality that typically doesnt go over well in locker rooms. He wasnt welcome back at LSU with two years left to play.
Of course TC and Reese have this info, but punting is very important and it makes me nervous that we traded for a guy like this who doesnt sound like the most reliable.
Im not killing the trade, but the fact that our punting situation is not locked down right now makes me nervous.
Also, coaches bring in guys with character issues that dont work out on almost every team. The fact that they hope it will work out doesnt make me less nervous. They hoped Will Hill would work out and it didn't. I think being nervous about our punting situation is pretty reasonable at this moment.
Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
1) If Wing is any good, what motivates a good team like the Steelers to ditch a promising 24 year old kicker for a rookie free agent with no experience?
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
We know they traded for hm to back up the Man of Many Talents
Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
Sure did. Josh Brown. i hope this kid takes a similar path. brown seems to be well liked by the team.
I didnt say I hate the trade. I said his off the field issues make me nervous and concerned about our punting situation. I hope he is a great guy with a long career, but at this point I am concerned about it.
i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
yeah I get that. but the majority of this thread isn't about having a new punter. its about what we gave up for him and his bad wrap, apparently, off the field.
i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
I dont really think saying Im nervous about an unknown punting situation is really making a fuss. The trade is pretty low risk and doesnt bother me. But I am nervous about the guy we brought in being reliable. Punting is very important and having an unlnown situation concerns me. I think thats pretty reasonable.
have no problem with this trade. The pick is a conditional seventh. My guess is that as others have said, it's like the McManus trade we made with Denver. Wing has to be with us for a certain number of weeks for Pittsburgh to get a seventh. And even if they do, it's only a seventh. We gave up a seventh for Beason. I opposed that trade, and was wrong to do so. Resigning Beason was another matter, but there was nothing wrong with trading a seventh for him. We also had to make the trade because even if cut, with less than four years in the league, Wind would have been subject to waivers. Somebody with a higher wavier claim may have taken him.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
a player who should cost next to nothing both to acquire and in salary. 7th round picks are unlikely to make the team. But this years 7th pick has been promising so far. Bradshaw was a 7th pick too. They spent $10 million in guaranteed money on ST players for roles that should be filled by UDFA or low round picks. Every NFL has limited money/salary cap and limited picks to acquire players. The Giants are using too much of both for the bottom of their roster.
have no problem with this trade. The pick is a conditional seventh. My guess is that as others have said, it's like the McManus trade we made with Denver. Wing has to be with us for a certain number of weeks for Pittsburgh to get a seventh. And even if they do, it's only a seventh. We gave up a seventh for Beason. I opposed that trade, and was wrong to do so. Resigning Beason was another matter, but there was nothing wrong with trading a seventh for him. We also had to make the trade because even if cut, with less than four years in the league, Wind would have been subject to waivers. Somebody with a higher wavier claim may have taken him.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Wing not Wind.
RE: Another case of the Giants using their limited assets to bring in a
a player who should cost next to nothing both to acquire and in salary. 7th round picks are unlikely to make the team. But this years 7th pick has been promising so far. Bradshaw was a 7th pick too. They spent $10 million in guaranteed money on ST players for roles that should be filled by UDFA or low round picks. Every NFL has limited money/salary cap and limited picks to acquire players. The Giants are using too much of both for the bottom of their roster.
This drasticaly underestimates the importance of special teams. You need special teams players. It is not a negative to invest limited resources into the unit, considering how putrid it has been. A 7th round pick for a punter is absolutey worthwhile, especially if the conditions are similar to the Mcmanus trade last year. Go look at what the ST unit did for the Eagles last year.
the giants also saved a decent amount of money against the cap, so what, if anything, will they do with it? I guess they call roll it over to next season, but I have a feeling (wishful thinking perhaps?) they'll try and get an upgrade somewhere.
Of course ST's are a huge part of the game. LT and Harry used to play ST's in the 80's. But the game has changed because of limited assets. The best teams build excellent ST's on the cheap. The Giants are paying way too much.
Of course ST's are a huge part of the game. LT and Harry used to play ST's in the 80's. But the game has changed because of limited assets. The best teams build excellent ST's on the cheap. The Giants are paying way too much.
The best teams build excellent special teams with the best players suited to do their role..........
And furthermore, the Giants from what I am reading are saving cap room with this move.
another organization fail, let's revisit the Matt Dodge/Feagles thing...Kind of late to be figuring out the replacement for Weatherford.....Does this team ever learn from their mistakes? Apparently not.
Don't discount the message that this sent to the team.
By all accounts Weatherford was a good teammate and good community guy.
There might be an element of complacency that the staff sees and making this move 9 days before the season starts does send a clear message about "scholarship" players.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe for a second that the Giants don't internally believe that they just got a better punter for a fraction of the salary allocated to the position yesterday, but there could be that added benefit of throwing the smelling salts under the noses of some comfy vets.
According to Reese this guy will become the JPP of punters.
He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
RE: According to Reese this guy will become the JPP of punters.
He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
our special team is still so bad that we had to dump a meh sidelines punter for a meh sideline punter who can hopefully boom they ball away from being returned?
The mighty Quinn rules.
He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
no team, again, NO TEAM, spent a draft pick on this guy. Yes the Cowboys signed him. Good for them. Every time we make a move, can we not bring up the fact that the Giants didn't do something that EVERY other team didn't do as well?
So he's a holder, can run a little, can throw a little, kicks with the left (not sure if that's really an advantage). Looks like a slight upgrade to Weatherford but he's younger and cheaper. Only worried about the rare shanks I guess. Maybe Feagles can teach him directional punting. I'm good with it.
when Dave Jennings was cut, for.......Sean Landeta?
Jennings was fading, and Landeta gave our specials a HUGE boost.
I'm not saying Wing is Landeta, but this is a clear attempt to improve the team. And our specials need that.
If management thinks this improves the team on the field (and financially), I'll play along. But if we want to make a CLEAR attempt to improve special teams,we get rid of Quinn (and for whatever the reason,that ain't happening)!
Heading into the preseason finale, he averaged 49.1 yards per punt, and landed 4 of his 11 punts inside the 20 yard line. These stats are actually very good. He has shown improvement from last year with the Steelers and I'm sure this is what the Giants were really looking at.
What's not to like: he's young, cheap and has shown great potential.
My concern is his further development under Quinn!!!! I think the Giants should bring in Feags as an advisor for this kid.
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
This appears to be a money move in addition to concern about
1) If Wing is any good, what motivates a good team like the Steelers to ditch a promising 24 year old kicker for a rookie free agent with no experience?
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
I really hate defending Quinn, but it is my understanding that coaching kickers is what he excels at. It durn sure isn't scheming or drawing up coverages/blocking schemes. I am totally anti Quinn, but I acknowledge the improvements he has made to kickers livelihood.
maybe Nassib becomes the holder. Is it better to have a QB as the holder? I know the rationale in using the punter was that the punter is used to catching a long snap.
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
I also wouldnt care if he just partied in the off season. But there are plenty of guys who struggle to keep it just in the off season. See Johnny Manziel, josh Gordon etc. There are other red flags like failed drug tests, suspensions and an arrest for an assault. He was basically told by LSU coaches not to return. These were all in college and i hope he matured, but I maintain that it is perfectly reasonable to be concerned about our punting game.
I like the trade, just nervous about how he performs and how he handles himsef in the NY area. I imagine TC and Reese are as well but feel he has a handle on it and they can keep him in line. For every Gordon there are guys who overcame issues and had successful careers.
1) If Wing is any good, what motivates a good team like the Steelers to ditch a promising 24 year old kicker for a rookie free agent with no experience?
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
Compete with Suisham? Suisham is hurt. Scobee was brought in to fill the void.
Panthers vs Steelers game 4 preseason and he just boomed a 57 yard kick to the sideline. The returners muffed the kick too. Looked good to me. I suppose consistency was his issue.
maybe Nassib becomes the holder. Is it better to have a QB as the holder? I know the rationale in using the punter was that the punter is used to catching a long snap.
It has more to do with practice time. The backup QB is busy running the scout team offense and learning the gameplan in case he needs to step in. The Punter, on the other hand, has plenty of free time to drill the FG process with the LS and PK.
Steelers traded Brad Wing to the Giants for a late-round draft pick, according to a source
Bomb of a leg, not sure what hes done with Pittsburgh
In 2014, Wing signed a contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers to serve as the punter and holder for field goals and PATs. In the fourth quarter of a game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, his punt went only 29 yards, giving the ball to the Buccaneers at the Steelers' 46-yard line with 40 seconds to go. The Buccaneers scored the game-winning touchdown a few plays later.[12]
In a game against the Baltimore Ravens on November 2, 2014, following a botched snap on a point-after kick for which Wing was the holder, Wing completed a pass to Matt Spaeth for a two-point conversion.
Brad Wing is actually close friends with Odell Beckham. They hang out in offseason #giants #lsu
Big leg.
Pittsburgh Steelers[edit]
In 2014, Wing signed a contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers to serve as the punter and holder for field goals and PATs. In the fourth quarter of a game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, his punt went only 29 yards, giving the ball to the Buccaneers at the Steelers' 46-yard line with 40 seconds to go. The Buccaneers scored the game-winning touchdown a few plays later.[12]
In a game against the Baltimore Ravens on November 2, 2014, following a botched snap on a point-after kick for which Wing was the holder, Wing completed a pass to Matt Spaeth for a two-point conversion.
That Matt Dodge fear comment: ditto.
This must be a 'family' thing between the Rooneys and Maras.
That rhythm between a placekicker and holder doesn't happen overnight.
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Zastudil is old. He was probably cut from his team for the same reason Weatherford was just cut. Declining.
The same might be said for Fields. Yeah, he's a former pro bowler, but if he's not playing at that level any more, you'd move on.
I'm in class right now. I've got to do something! What do you expect me to do? Like PAY ATTENTION? Haha
That Matt Dodge fear comment: ditto.
This must be a 'family' thing between the Rooneys and Maras.
Agreed. Posted the same on other thread.
Brad Wing is actually close friends with Odell Beckham. They hang out in offseason #giants #lsu
who cares...OBJ is a little overexposed he is everywhere kinda like a hot mess....I am a little worried.
Giving up a draft pick.
"I think he [Drew Butler] won the battle easily on a daily basis."
http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2015/9/3/9253145/understanding-the-cuts-why-did-the-cardinals-cut-dave-zastudil
Geremy Davis and Bobby Hart say otherwise.
Hope it's conditional and requires significant performance or the pick comes back.
"When I came to LSU I just finished coaching Matt Dodge [with the New York Giants] and we drafted Matt Dodge in the sixth round. And Brad was better than Matt Dodge his freshman year at LSU,"
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If it's a 6th or lower, then your chances of finding anyone that spends significant time on a roster doing anything but exchanging air for carbon dioxide are slim to none.
Geremy Davis and Bobby Hart say otherwise.
Hope it's conditional and requires significant performance or the pick comes back.
What do they say - 'Hey, I almost made the roster!'.
Davis and Hart look good, but let's not sell the lemonade stand yet.
Denver gave up a 7th for a kicker, if you recall.
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"Unlike most punters, he wants the fame," one scout said. "If he goes to New York or somewhere like that, look out. He's just a big party guy.
If that's true, then you can't say the team didn't like Weatherford for his personality.
I don't think anyone's dismissing the importance - mostly back and forth as to whether or not this guy is good enough and whether the price paid (which we don't know yet) was justified.
FWIW - Weatherford hasn't looked good this preseason, and wasn't too great last year. Continuity at holder is important, and you sure as hell don't want to downgrade at the position, but a savings of $2M is nothing to sneeze about, it can help us fill another hole.
This year should be full of excitement.
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if think think he's a better punter and saves money, what's there to complain about?
Giving up a draft pick.
So? We don't know the pick and how many of them make our team? If we can upgrade specials is that not worth a 7th?
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if think think he's a better punter and saves money, what's there to complain about?
Giving up a draft pick.
So? We don't know the pick and how many of them make our team? If we can upgrade specials is that not worth a 7th?
Not if you can get someone just as good on waivers.
That's fair - and all I can assume is that the Giants either figure he's better than that or that if anything he's a minor downgrade from where Weatherford is now, and is worth saving $2m on. The relationship between the Giants and Steelers leaves me to believe that they wouldn't take on Wing without a recommendation.
Mcmanus was going to get cut by the Giants and Denver gave up a 7th for him...
It happens all the time...
Steelers traded for Scobee...
You're literally only looking at names and assuming that guy is still good because you know his name.
You're literally only looking at names and assuming that guy is still good because you know his name.
Wing was ranked 28th out of 32. You could end up with someone better.
Yeah, I don't even care about the 7th round pick, especially if the P is a proven commodity in the NFL, and a decent to good punter. But if he wasn't even good last year, it's a head-scracther. And no, I'm not going to take the Giants word for it that they see something in him with the way our ST's have been over the years.
But we should all stop going nuclear..
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would be just as good?
You're literally only looking at names and assuming that guy is still good because you know his name.
Wing was ranked 28th out of 32. You could end up with someone better.
He was ranked that by PFF, they're not exactly gospel.
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was going to get cut from the Steelers but we gave up a draft pick. Also,considering there are quality punters available as FAs,I wonder why they made the trade? Wing is only 24,certainly has upside so I guess we'll let him prove himself to the faithful!
Mcmanus was going to get cut by the Giants and Denver gave up a 7th for him...
It happens all the time...
I agree it does but we kept hearing TC wanted a directional punter-Wing is not that!
Steelers traded for Scobee...
B in ALB : 12:01 pm : link : reply
What the fuck? TC and staff with their usual lsu bias.
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was going to get cut from the Steelers but we gave up a draft pick. Also,considering there are quality punters available as FAs,I wonder why they made the trade? Wing is only 24,certainly has upside so I guess we'll let him prove himself to the faithful!
Mcmanus was going to get cut by the Giants and Denver gave up a 7th for him...
It happens all the time...
I agree it does but we kept hearing TC wanted a directional punter-Wing is not that!
Steelers traded for Scobee...
Hey i will be the first to admit i have no idea what kind of punter he is...so i am not going to argue that, maybe the Giants see something in him..
also he is under control next year as well so if he punts well they have a punter for 500 thousand rather than 2 million...
Maybe Wing works out, maybe he doesn't. But we wouldn't be giving a pick for him if we didn't feel he's the best of what's out there.
We should just stop doing anything. Because of Matt Dodge.
If you can somehow equate trading a late round draft pick for a punter to anal rape then you have issues. Maybe re-evaluate some things.
We should just stop doing anything. Because of Matt Dodge.
Made me legitimately laugh.
The only surprising aspect is that he has struggled with directional kicking, which is a Coughlin hot button.
The Giants aren't surrendering a draft pick here. They're trading a pick for a player. I don't see how the Bobby Hart and Geremy Davis comments apply.
In the end, it really is just one punt. But Berry showed an ability to pin an opponent, something Wing struggled mightily with last season. The fact that they have been so disgustingly equal this pre-season has largely served to disappoint those who would wish Wing sayonara no matter how well he might perform between now and roster cut-down day. All else being equal, in Pittsburgh, it's hard to knock a returning player off the roster without clearly defeating him.
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Good Trade.
Jordan Berry offers little more hang time than Brad Wing, so I like this trade. The problem with Wings punts other than occasional shanks was he would outkick the coverage because his hang time isnt great.
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Details are still coming in about what the Steelers received in return, but if the organization receives even a low draft pick for the trade it would be a win for having two punters who performed admirably throughout the 2015 preseason in what became the most unlikely tight race of training camp and preseason. The draft pick the Steelers receive would be a solid return for them dealing out their own sixth round pick to the Jaguars in order to acquire kicker Josh Scobee.
Brad Wing performed well enough in his rookie season with the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2014 to warrant his return to the team, but he came up against a tough opponent in rookie Jordan Berry.
Same Poster 2016 Draft- the Giants select in the 7th round guy you probably never heard of and is not listed in any draft guides" oh no I hate that pick that guy sucks what is Reese doing"
The comedic gold is priceless
"The 22-year-old Australian was arrested in 2011 for simple battery, engaged in a shouting match with McGaughey during a contest and was suspended for LSU's bowl game this year after a failed drug test."
Sounds like a Quinn type of guy ;)
But I bet one reason we went after him was because he's left-footed, and their punts spin the opposite direction, making them more difficult to catch cleanly.
Probably going to be something like the trade with the Broncos, where the pick is not guaranteed until he on the team for so many weeks...
Probably a 7th on condition he is still on the roster after week 4 or something like that..
Weatherford, who spent the last four seasons of his 11-year NFL career with the Giants, punted 311 times for the team with a net average of 38.8 yards per punt, and landed 97 inside the 20. He will be remembered for the hold -- and the ensuing celebration -- on Lawrence Tynes 31-yard overtime field goal in the NFC Championship Game against the San Francisco 49ers that sent the Giants to Super Bowl XLVI.
Wing, originally undrafted out of LSU in 2013, punted in all 16 regular-season games for the Steelers last season and also handled their holding duties. He punted 61 times with a 43.7-yard average and landed 20 inside the 20-yard line. His average of 8.2 yards per return ranked 12thin the NFL in 2014 while his net average of 38.8 was good for 20th. Wing also played in the Steelers Wild Card loss to the Baltimore Ravens, knocking two of his three punts inside the 20.
Wing, a lefty from Melbourne, Australia, started his pro career as a rookie free agent with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2013 before being released prior to the regular season. He then signed with Pittsburgh on Jan. 3, 2014.
"He's more interested in the length of his punts than the directional or actually being an NFL-type punter."
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
Beat writers are saying it is a conditional 7th in 2016...
How did the giants give up a pick for Brown when he was released?
At the risk of possibly stealing YANKEE28's thunder (this is a Y28 special), we have a mole at LSU, Thomas McGaughey, former asst. ST Coordinator for the NYG.
Thomas McGaughey LSU Bio - ( New Window )
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
They played at LSU together apparently
That wasn't a trade. Brown was cut.
"He's more interested in the length of his punts than the directional or actually being an NFL-type punter."
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
This should go over well.
"He's more interested in the length of his punts than the directional or actually being an NFL-type punter."
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
Hahahaha, this guy sounds fun. Weatherford was an attention-whore, but not a big time party guy. Guy was in great shape.
Conditional how? He stays, we owe Pitt and 7th, he gets let go, nothing?
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Conditional how? He stays, we owe Pitt and 7th, he gets let go, nothing?
Probably
The worst case scenario here is we're out a 7th. Best case we have a replacement for Weatherford and save $1.6M, and most likely is he doesn't pan out and we pick up the same vet punter off the wire without having to guarantee his salary.
Probably has to be with the team for a number of weeks, just like McManus was for Denver. If he was released by a certain NFL week, the Giants didn't have to give a pick.
Isn't that what they tried to do with dodge? Fix some flaws in his technique and he was never the same ever since.
LOL...that's a good one.
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I believe we already gave away our 7th rounder for Stevie Brown.
That wasn't a trade. Brown was cut.
Thanks. I heard it reported that he was traded for a 7th.
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Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Did you read the article? Its not just about partying. There were reports of multiple failed drug tests. They say he has a big personality that typically doesnt go over well in locker rooms. He wasnt welcome back at LSU with two years left to play.
Of course TC and Reese have this info, but punting is very important and it makes me nervous that we traded for a guy like this who doesnt sound like the most reliable.
Im not killing the trade, but the fact that our punting situation is not locked down right now makes me nervous.
Also, coaches bring in guys with character issues that dont work out on almost every team. The fact that they hope it will work out doesnt make me less nervous. They hoped Will Hill would work out and it didn't. I think being nervous about our punting situation is pretty reasonable at this moment.
I hope it is a conditional trade and they at least have 10 days to decide to keep or replace.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
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Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
Sure did. Josh Brown. i hope this kid takes a similar path. brown seems to be well liked by the team.
I didnt say I hate the trade. I said his off the field issues make me nervous and concerned about our punting situation. I hope he is a great guy with a long career, but at this point I am concerned about it.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
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i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
yeah I get that. but the majority of this thread isn't about having a new punter. its about what we gave up for him and his bad wrap, apparently, off the field.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
I dont really think saying Im nervous about an unknown punting situation is really making a fuss. The trade is pretty low risk and doesnt bother me. But I am nervous about the guy we brought in being reliable. Punting is very important and having an unlnown situation concerns me. I think thats pretty reasonable.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Remember when Weatherford first replaced Dodge? It was a breath of fresh air. But Weatherford is not the same player in 2015.
The Giants aren't there yet. Anything that points to improving the team and making it better......i'm all for it.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Wing not Wind.
This drasticaly underestimates the importance of special teams. You need special teams players. It is not a negative to invest limited resources into the unit, considering how putrid it has been. A 7th round pick for a punter is absolutey worthwhile, especially if the conditions are similar to the Mcmanus trade last year. Go look at what the ST unit did for the Eagles last year.
Jennings was fading, and Landeta gave our specials a HUGE boost.
I'm not saying Wing is Landeta, but this is a clear attempt to improve the team. And our specials need that.
The best teams build excellent special teams with the best players suited to do their role..........
And furthermore, the Giants from what I am reading are saving cap room with this move.
What is not to like????
By all accounts Weatherford was a good teammate and good community guy.
There might be an element of complacency that the staff sees and making this move 9 days before the season starts does send a clear message about "scholarship" players.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe for a second that the Giants don't internally believe that they just got a better punter for a fraction of the salary allocated to the position yesterday, but there could be that added benefit of throwing the smelling salts under the noses of some comfy vets.
Just go away.
The mighty Quinn rules.
Yeah because our 7th round draft picks have performed real well for us. Get a clue buddy.
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He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
Just go away.
When you go I'll go. So there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT_TGuoLdmk
Botched extra point snap that he converted for 2, with a pass. Crappy quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPyJDfq7xKY
So he's a holder, can run a little, can throw a little, kicks with the left (not sure if that's really an advantage). Looks like a slight upgrade to Weatherford but he's younger and cheaper. Only worried about the rare shanks I guess. Maybe Feagles can teach him directional punting. I'm good with it.
Jennings was fading, and Landeta gave our specials a HUGE boost.
I'm not saying Wing is Landeta, but this is a clear attempt to improve the team. And our specials need that.
If management thinks this improves the team on the field (and financially), I'll play along. But if we want to make a CLEAR attempt to improve special teams,we get rid of Quinn (and for whatever the reason,that ain't happening)!
What's not to like: he's young, cheap and has shown great potential.
My concern is his further development under Quinn!!!! I think the Giants should bring in Feags as an advisor for this kid.
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
I really hate defending Quinn, but it is my understanding that coaching kickers is what he excels at. It durn sure isn't scheming or drawing up coverages/blocking schemes. I am totally anti Quinn, but I acknowledge the improvements he has made to kickers livelihood.
http://www.steelers.com/news/transactions/article-1/Steelers-trade-punter-Brad-Wing/a1ed3d23-f820-4038-8410-8e20b22399f6
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
I also wouldnt care if he just partied in the off season. But there are plenty of guys who struggle to keep it just in the off season. See Johnny Manziel, josh Gordon etc. There are other red flags like failed drug tests, suspensions and an arrest for an assault. He was basically told by LSU coaches not to return. These were all in college and i hope he matured, but I maintain that it is perfectly reasonable to be concerned about our punting game.
I like the trade, just nervous about how he performs and how he handles himsef in the NY area. I imagine TC and Reese are as well but feel he has a handle on it and they can keep him in line. For every Gordon there are guys who overcame issues and had successful careers.
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
Compete with Suisham? Suisham is hurt. Scobee was brought in to fill the void.
It has more to do with practice time. The backup QB is busy running the scout team offense and learning the gameplan in case he needs to step in. The Punter, on the other hand, has plenty of free time to drill the FG process with the LS and PK.