Especially don't like that he's supposedly nothing but a big leg who's not adept at pinning the opponent deep.
But I bet one reason we went after him was because he's left-footed, and their punts spin the opposite direction, making them more difficult to catch cleanly.
The New York Giants have a new punter today after releasing veteran Steve Weatherford and acquiring Brad Wing from the Pittsburgh Steelers in exchange for a conditional seventh round draft choice.
Weatherford, who spent the last four seasons of his 11-year NFL career with the Giants, punted 311 times for the team with a net average of 38.8 yards per punt, and landed 97 inside the 20. He will be remembered for the hold -- and the ensuing celebration -- on Lawrence Tynes’ 31-yard overtime field goal in the NFC Championship Game against the San Francisco 49ers that sent the Giants to Super Bowl XLVI.
Wing, originally undrafted out of LSU in 2013, punted in all 16 regular-season games for the Steelers last season and also handled their holding duties. He punted 61 times with a 43.7-yard average and landed 20 inside the 20-yard line. His average of 8.2 yards per return ranked 12thin the NFL in 2014 while his net average of 38.8 was good for 20th. Wing also played in the Steelers’ Wild Card loss to the Baltimore Ravens, knocking two of his three punts inside the 20.
Wing, a lefty from Melbourne, Australia, started his pro career as a rookie free agent with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2013 before being released prior to the regular season. He then signed with Pittsburgh on Jan. 3, 2014.
What the fuck? TC and staff with their usual lsu bias.
At the risk of possibly stealing YANKEE28's thunder (this is a Y28 special), we have a mole at LSU, Thomas McGaughey, former asst. ST Coordinator for the NYG. Thomas McGaughey LSU Bio - ( New Window )
but in McManus' case wasn't it a certain number of games on the active roster?
The worst case scenario here is we're out a 7th. Best case we have a replacement for Weatherford and save $1.6M, and most likely is he doesn't pan out and we pick up the same vet punter off the wire without having to guarantee his salary.
Probably has to be with the team for a number of weeks, just like McManus was for Denver. If he was released by a certain NFL week, the Giants didn't have to give a pick.
Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
do you think TC and Reese didn't have that info? If not, don't you think they addressed that up front and are confident it wont be an issue?
Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Did you read the article? Its not just about partying. There were reports of multiple failed drug tests. They say he has a big personality that typically doesnt go over well in locker rooms. He wasnt welcome back at LSU with two years left to play.
Of course TC and Reese have this info, but punting is very important and it makes me nervous that we traded for a guy like this who doesnt sound like the most reliable.
Im not killing the trade, but the fact that our punting situation is not locked down right now makes me nervous.
Also, coaches bring in guys with character issues that dont work out on almost every team. The fact that they hope it will work out doesnt make me less nervous. They hoped Will Hill would work out and it didn't. I think being nervous about our punting situation is pretty reasonable at this moment.
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Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
1) If Wing is any good, what motivates a good team like the Steelers to ditch a promising 24 year old kicker for a rookie free agent with no experience?
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
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Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
Sure did. Josh Brown. i hope this kid takes a similar path. brown seems to be well liked by the team.
I didnt say I hate the trade. I said his off the field issues make me nervous and concerned about our punting situation. I hope he is a great guy with a long career, but at this point I am concerned about it.
i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
yeah I get that. but the majority of this thread isn't about having a new punter. its about what we gave up for him and his bad wrap, apparently, off the field.
i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
I dont really think saying Im nervous about an unknown punting situation is really making a fuss. The trade is pretty low risk and doesnt bother me. But I am nervous about the guy we brought in being reliable. Punting is very important and having an unlnown situation concerns me. I think thats pretty reasonable.
have no problem with this trade. The pick is a conditional seventh. My guess is that as others have said, it's like the McManus trade we made with Denver. Wing has to be with us for a certain number of weeks for Pittsburgh to get a seventh. And even if they do, it's only a seventh. We gave up a seventh for Beason. I opposed that trade, and was wrong to do so. Resigning Beason was another matter, but there was nothing wrong with trading a seventh for him. We also had to make the trade because even if cut, with less than four years in the league, Wind would have been subject to waivers. Somebody with a higher wavier claim may have taken him.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
a player who should cost next to nothing both to acquire and in salary. 7th round picks are unlikely to make the team. But this years 7th pick has been promising so far. Bradshaw was a 7th pick too. They spent $10 million in guaranteed money on ST players for roles that should be filled by UDFA or low round picks. Every NFL has limited money/salary cap and limited picks to acquire players. The Giants are using too much of both for the bottom of their roster.
have no problem with this trade. The pick is a conditional seventh. My guess is that as others have said, it's like the McManus trade we made with Denver. Wing has to be with us for a certain number of weeks for Pittsburgh to get a seventh. And even if they do, it's only a seventh. We gave up a seventh for Beason. I opposed that trade, and was wrong to do so. Resigning Beason was another matter, but there was nothing wrong with trading a seventh for him. We also had to make the trade because even if cut, with less than four years in the league, Wind would have been subject to waivers. Somebody with a higher wavier claim may have taken him.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Wing not Wind.
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a player who should cost next to nothing both to acquire and in salary. 7th round picks are unlikely to make the team. But this years 7th pick has been promising so far. Bradshaw was a 7th pick too. They spent $10 million in guaranteed money on ST players for roles that should be filled by UDFA or low round picks. Every NFL has limited money/salary cap and limited picks to acquire players. The Giants are using too much of both for the bottom of their roster.
This drasticaly underestimates the importance of special teams. You need special teams players. It is not a negative to invest limited resources into the unit, considering how putrid it has been. A 7th round pick for a punter is absolutey worthwhile, especially if the conditions are similar to the Mcmanus trade last year. Go look at what the ST unit did for the Eagles last year.
the giants also saved a decent amount of money against the cap, so what, if anything, will they do with it? I guess they call roll it over to next season, but I have a feeling (wishful thinking perhaps?) they'll try and get an upgrade somewhere.
Of course ST's are a huge part of the game. LT and Harry used to play ST's in the 80's. But the game has changed because of limited assets. The best teams build excellent ST's on the cheap. The Giants are paying way too much.
But I bet one reason we went after him was because he's left-footed, and their punts spin the opposite direction, making them more difficult to catch cleanly.
Probably going to be something like the trade with the Broncos, where the pick is not guaranteed until he on the team for so many weeks...
Probably a 7th on condition he is still on the roster after week 4 or something like that..
Weatherford, who spent the last four seasons of his 11-year NFL career with the Giants, punted 311 times for the team with a net average of 38.8 yards per punt, and landed 97 inside the 20. He will be remembered for the hold -- and the ensuing celebration -- on Lawrence Tynes’ 31-yard overtime field goal in the NFC Championship Game against the San Francisco 49ers that sent the Giants to Super Bowl XLVI.
Wing, originally undrafted out of LSU in 2013, punted in all 16 regular-season games for the Steelers last season and also handled their holding duties. He punted 61 times with a 43.7-yard average and landed 20 inside the 20-yard line. His average of 8.2 yards per return ranked 12thin the NFL in 2014 while his net average of 38.8 was good for 20th. Wing also played in the Steelers’ Wild Card loss to the Baltimore Ravens, knocking two of his three punts inside the 20.
Wing, a lefty from Melbourne, Australia, started his pro career as a rookie free agent with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2013 before being released prior to the regular season. He then signed with Pittsburgh on Jan. 3, 2014.
"He's more interested in the length of his punts than the directional or actually being an NFL-type punter."
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
Beat writers are saying it is a conditional 7th in 2016...
How did the giants give up a pick for Brown when he was released?
At the risk of possibly stealing YANKEE28's thunder (this is a Y28 special), we have a mole at LSU, Thomas McGaughey, former asst. ST Coordinator for the NYG.
Thomas McGaughey LSU Bio - ( New Window )
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
They played at LSU together apparently
That wasn't a trade. Brown was cut.
"He's more interested in the length of his punts than the directional or actually being an NFL-type punter."
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
This should go over well.
"He's more interested in the length of his punts than the directional or actually being an NFL-type punter."
Follow up question: whats he doing hanging out with OBJ?
Hahahaha, this guy sounds fun. Weatherford was an attention-whore, but not a big time party guy. Guy was in great shape.
Conditional how? He stays, we owe Pitt and 7th, he gets let go, nothing?
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Conditional how? He stays, we owe Pitt and 7th, he gets let go, nothing?
Probably
The worst case scenario here is we're out a 7th. Best case we have a replacement for Weatherford and save $1.6M, and most likely is he doesn't pan out and we pick up the same vet punter off the wire without having to guarantee his salary.
Probably has to be with the team for a number of weeks, just like McManus was for Denver. If he was released by a certain NFL week, the Giants didn't have to give a pick.
Isn't that what they tried to do with dodge? Fix some flaws in his technique and he was never the same ever since.
LOL...that's a good one.
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I believe we already gave away our 7th rounder for Stevie Brown.
That wasn't a trade. Brown was cut.
Thanks. I heard it reported that he was traded for a 7th.
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Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Did you read the article? Its not just about partying. There were reports of multiple failed drug tests. They say he has a big personality that typically doesnt go over well in locker rooms. He wasnt welcome back at LSU with two years left to play.
Of course TC and Reese have this info, but punting is very important and it makes me nervous that we traded for a guy like this who doesnt sound like the most reliable.
Im not killing the trade, but the fact that our punting situation is not locked down right now makes me nervous.
Also, coaches bring in guys with character issues that dont work out on almost every team. The fact that they hope it will work out doesnt make me less nervous. They hoped Will Hill would work out and it didn't. I think being nervous about our punting situation is pretty reasonable at this moment.
I hope it is a conditional trade and they at least have 10 days to decide to keep or replace.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
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Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
Sure did. Josh Brown. i hope this kid takes a similar path. brown seems to be well liked by the team.
I didnt say I hate the trade. I said his off the field issues make me nervous and concerned about our punting situation. I hope he is a great guy with a long career, but at this point I am concerned about it.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
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i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
yeah I get that. but the majority of this thread isn't about having a new punter. its about what we gave up for him and his bad wrap, apparently, off the field.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
I dont really think saying Im nervous about an unknown punting situation is really making a fuss. The trade is pretty low risk and doesnt bother me. But I am nervous about the guy we brought in being reliable. Punting is very important and having an unlnown situation concerns me. I think thats pretty reasonable.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Remember when Weatherford first replaced Dodge? It was a breath of fresh air. But Weatherford is not the same player in 2015.
The Giants aren't there yet. Anything that points to improving the team and making it better......i'm all for it.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Wing not Wind.
This drasticaly underestimates the importance of special teams. You need special teams players. It is not a negative to invest limited resources into the unit, considering how putrid it has been. A 7th round pick for a punter is absolutey worthwhile, especially if the conditions are similar to the Mcmanus trade last year. Go look at what the ST unit did for the Eagles last year.
Jennings was fading, and Landeta gave our specials a HUGE boost.
I'm not saying Wing is Landeta, but this is a clear attempt to improve the team. And our specials need that.