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armstead98 : 9/4/2015 3:57 pm
Can we all agree that he sucked last night? Yes he made some decent throws but he had happy feet and couldn't stand in the pocket. He also one hopped a pass to a wide open James Jones.

The talk of moving on from Eli because we have him waiting the wings should be over. The dude's not even close to Elis level.

Pay Eli and make him a giant for life.
I would get a backup QB if I were the Giants  
Gman11 : 9/4/2015 4:01 pm : link
Nassib isn't even a good 3rd option. He's terrible.
Well said.  
bceagle05 : 9/4/2015 4:06 pm : link
I hope Nassib finds a home and makes a career for himself, but it won't be here. Giants certainly didn't do him any favors by drafting him into a situation where he'd never see the light of day in a meaningful game.
I thought Nassib was impressive against the Jets.  
Mr. Bungle : 9/4/2015 4:07 pm : link
I thought he was brutal against the Patriots.
He seems to throw entirely with his upper body.  
robbieballs2003 : 9/4/2015 4:09 pm : link
That leads to his inconsistency. Some throws look great and others you just shake your head at.
Lol  
ZogZerg : 9/4/2015 4:19 pm : link
So it's the Giants fault he sucked last night when just last week he was replacing Eli. You guys are great.
I'm really convinced that  
oldutican : 9/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.
RE: I'm really convinced that  
mdc1 : 9/4/2015 4:32 pm : link
In comment 12454266 oldutican said:
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the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.


Yeah...ok...

Hopefully the Giants can reverse the horrible actions of the past few years and re-tool at trenches, secondary and linebacker, then hopefully draft another Eli level QB for the franchise. Nassib is not that guy, else other teams would have been offering us money and picks to get him.

Nassib  
AcidTest : 9/4/2015 4:38 pm : link
missed some throws. He made some throws. He is mobile, smart, and has a strong arm. Judging him based on the fourth preseason game is ridiculous. Until he plays in at least a few regular season games, we won't know whether he can replace Eli. But even a few early struggles will convince some here that he sucks, and has to be replaced.
RE: I'm really convinced that  
armstead98 : 9/4/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12454266 oldutican said:
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the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.


That's complete crap. I want to see him do well since I agree we'll probably need him at some point but to say that that it's an outlier opinion is just false. This offseason was full of threads talking about how we should let Eli walk because he's not worth the contract. Part of the justification was Nassib.

And yes I'm jumping on him after playing like crap but the fact is he looked like crap. For all of Elis faults he stand in the pocket and doesn't look like a college kid running for his life. Eli is the real fucking deal and this board needs to stop thinking Nassib is a white knight that is going to come in and allow the Giants to see Eli walk.
RE: RE: I'm really convinced that  
oldutican : 9/4/2015 4:41 pm : link
In comment 12454296 mdc1 said:
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In comment 12454266 oldutican said:


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the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.



Yeah...ok...

Hopefully the Giants can reverse the horrible actions of the past few years and re-tool at trenches, secondary and linebacker, then hopefully draft another Eli level QB for the franchise. Nassib is not that guy, else other teams would have been offering us money and picks to get him.


Can you read . I never hinted he should be Eli's long term replacement. And I certainly didn't say other teams were looking to trade for him. I do sense some people want him to fail .
RE: I'm really convinced that  
Mr. Bungle : 9/4/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12454266 oldutican said:
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the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.

And with some people, you can't criticize anything in Nassib's game without them throwing agenda accusations around...
He's just not accurate from the pocket  
David B. : 9/4/2015 4:47 pm : link
He can't lead/hit a moving target. He's better rolling out. He is NO threat to Eli and never will be. He looks like a career backup to me.
He's played well,  
TC : 9/4/2015 4:48 pm : link
Jacks and Jets, and poorly, Cinn & NE. He's a QB who's game is all about movement. You either embrace his game, or you find another QB.

RE: RE: I'm really convinced that  
oldutican : 9/4/2015 4:53 pm : link
In comment 12454317 armstead98 said:
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In comment 12454266 oldutican said:


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the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.



That's complete crap. I want to see him do well since I agree we'll probably need him at some point but to say that that it's an outlier opinion is just false. This offseason was full of threads talking about how we should let Eli walk because he's not worth the contract. Part of the justification was Nassib.

And yes I'm jumping on him after playing like crap but the fact is he looked like crap. For all of Elis faults he stand in the pocket and doesn't look like a college kid running for his life. Eli is the real fucking deal and this board needs to stop thinking Nassib is a white knight that is going to come in and allow the Giants to see Eli walk.


You are attacking a straw dog and proving my point with the anger in your last paragraph. It's a legitimate question how much giants should pay Eli that has nothing to do with Nassib. I don't recall lots of posts saying let Eli go cause we have Nassib.
I would rather they had  
Gman11 : 9/4/2015 4:54 pm : link
an experienced QB at backup that can be a game manager if called upon.

Nassib doesn't look like a future starter and I would cringe if he ever had to take meaningful snaps in the regular season.
Nassib is not a threat to Eli,  
81_Great_Dane : 9/4/2015 4:55 pm : link
unless he's carrying a concealed weapon in the locker room.

I don't have any strong opinions about Nassib as QB. But he's simply not a threat to Eli. It's not a question of how much I or any other fan likes his game. He just isn't challenging Eli for the starting QB job on the NY Giants this year, barring disaster. Next year? Too far away to tell.

Here's my one strong opinion on this topic: People who want Nassib at QB should be careful what they wish for. I don't think this is an Aaron Rodgers/Brett Fauvre situation or anything remotely close to it. More like Phil Simms/Jeff Hostetler, except that Hostetler was better a better football player than Nassib. Nassib is more mobile than Eli, but he's not better than Eli.
RE: RE: I'm really convinced that  
oldutican : 9/4/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12454326 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 12454266 oldutican said:


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the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.


And with some people, you can't criticize anything in Nassib's game without them throwing agenda accusations around...


Not me. It seems He rolls out way too much. Maybe that's cause he plays with backup line, but that wasn't the case in first half last night . He has a strong arm and needs to show he can sit in pocket .
I thought we were getting  
Beezer : 9/4/2015 4:57 pm : link
Bob 3.0
I'm really convinced that  
#10* : 9/4/2015 5:22 pm : link
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oldutican : 4:24 pm : link : reply
the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.

My thoughts exactly.

If you go back and watch Eli's 1st couple pre-season performances and Nassibs you should be pleasantly surprised.

Quotes from Eli and Kurt after Jets game.

"I never got in a groove," Manning admitted. "I made bad
decisions, I made mental mistakes. I've got to learn from this and
get better."

"It's always hard to watch somebody else struggle," Warner
said. "You know he is trying to make the right decisions."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=240827020

Article from August 2014
The Giants Have 99 Problems and Eli Is All of Them
It's panic time in the Big Apple when it comes to quarterbacking ... and we're not talking about the Jets. Eli Manning and the Giants played their third preseason game on Saturday night and they weren't stifled by the Colts because stifling would involve the Colts needing to do anything other than stand by and watch the Giants offense flop around on the floor like a dead fish.

Manning finished 1 for 7 for 6 yards and no that is not a typo.

It's somehow not even better than his last outing, when he went 0 for 2. Perhaps this is all an elaborate prank from Ben McAdoo and Tom Coughlin, some weird sort of quarterback Catfish thing. Or maybe this offense isn't working.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24664289/nfl-preseason-tony-romo-goes-full-romo-eli-mannings-game-a-red-flag

2004 Eagles
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
K. Warner 16/28 203 0 0
E. Manning 3/9 66 0 0

Against the Jets he threw to picks and fumbled. Looked everywhere for all the stats, couldn't find them.

The only other stats I found for him on NFL.com was in his first two years was:
2005 against the panthers 3 for 9 150 yds 2Tds

All other Giants stats where for team leaders which at the time was Kurt or Hasselback.

Nassib has looked good. I'm a little bit of an outlier here because I'm curious about what Nassib could do with all of our weapons but the only reason I'd ever bring up not extending Eli to a long term contract is 1. Because of the money 2. As we've seen Nassib can extend plays with this not so experienced O-line. Eli will have to 1. Throw it away. 2. Take the sack. 3. Throw an INT when pressured.

Now is Nassib going to be better than Eli at everything, of course not Eli's at the tail end of his career. But IMO he looks better than Eli did as a sophomore. I would like to hear Kurts evaluation of the two.


has Nassib ever played  
santacruzom : 9/4/2015 5:27 pm : link
meaningful minutes in a non-preseason game? No, he has not. He's only played in a part of the NFL season that, frankly, has not been historically kind to Eli either.
he looked worse than last year  
mirwin : 9/4/2015 5:32 pm : link
guess he need the magic of corey washington.
For those saying he rolled out of the pocket too much  
#10* : 9/4/2015 5:37 pm : link
review the games and see what happened to Eli in the pocket.

1. He did not have our starting WR's in the game.

2. He extended plays when protection broke down and no one was open.

3. TE dropped a TD pass.

4. How many positive plays were called back because of O-line penalties. Answer - Way too many.

5. 16/32 193 yds and a 68.9 rtg against the pats ain't bad.

6. We won the game.

7. The last two years Nassib has won all our pre-season games after coming into the game with a deficit or starting. How does anyone see that as bad?
I see we have Carl Banks Syndrome in this thread  
RetroJint : 9/4/2015 5:57 pm : link
Seeing what you want to see. Do all the backs get released because they collectively rushed for 1.9 ypc in the first quarter?

Nassib missed 2 swing throws that he must hit. Ryan has to remember that not every throw to the sideline goes to the back shoulder. But know what? Eli has sucked on those types of throws his entire career. Nassib made some excellent throws to Randle, Jones and Davis into incredibly small windows. The runner down the numbers to Davis was particularly noteworthy given that he had to allow for the holding then touch it out in front of the receiver.

As far as happy feet, watch Peyton Manning's in the pocket & tell me who has happier feet. There was a play when Ryan pulled it down early. But that was at the beginning of the game. He settled down & played pretty well. A screen to Darkwa should have netted him about 20 extra yards, and on the one floater that Banks cricified him on that Jones one-hopped, there was no place to step up. Nassib got hooked by a defensive lineman as he threw. Watch the god-damn play again.

The reason why Carl Banks fucking sucks as an analyst is that he makes up his mind, then assumes an agenda. Papa is getting sick of it, too. He is starting to confront Banks on his inconsistencies.

Nassib was given nothing to work with last night. That is why Eli did not play. They showed nothing. I did not see if Robinson should have caught the ball in the endzone. Our screen froze and Papa gave a shit call reminiscent of the late Jim Gordon. If all the Giants have to worry about is their back-up QB, what wonderful shape they are in. In the meantime they can look for somebody from Rutgers to take his place.
I must have been watching a different game.  
Mr. Bungle : 9/4/2015 6:02 pm : link
I thought Randle and Jennings and Vereen and Flowers and Hynoski played.

The same "nothing" Eli will have to work with in Dallas.
Mr. Bungle  
ZogZerg : 9/4/2015 6:17 pm : link
You forgot to add the starting OL for 3 series. Playing against Pats scrubs. But, lets not let facts interfere with the babbling...
RE: I'm really convinced that  
AcidTest : 9/4/2015 6:24 pm : link
In comment 12454389 #10* said:
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oldutican : 4:24 pm : link : reply
the dislike of Nassib is because some see him as a threat to Eli. Maybe one or 2 posters have said he should replace Eli , but that is an outlier opinion. So one off game and some of you shit all over him, and act vindicated. Count me as pulling for him cause one of these days Eli will get hurt.


My thoughts exactly.

If you go back and watch Eli's 1st couple pre-season performances and Nassibs you should be pleasantly surprised.

Quotes from Eli and Kurt after Jets game.

"I never got in a groove," Manning admitted. "I made bad
decisions, I made mental mistakes. I've got to learn from this and
get better."

"It's always hard to watch somebody else struggle," Warner
said. "You know he is trying to make the right decisions."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=240827020

Article from August 2014
The Giants Have 99 Problems and Eli Is All of Them
It's panic time in the Big Apple when it comes to quarterbacking ... and we're not talking about the Jets. Eli Manning and the Giants played their third preseason game on Saturday night and they weren't stifled by the Colts because stifling would involve the Colts needing to do anything other than stand by and watch the Giants offense flop around on the floor like a dead fish.

Manning finished 1 for 7 for 6 yards and no that is not a typo.

It's somehow not even better than his last outing, when he went 0 for 2. Perhaps this is all an elaborate prank from Ben McAdoo and Tom Coughlin, some weird sort of quarterback Catfish thing. Or maybe this offense isn't working.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24664289/nfl-preseason-tony-romo-goes-full-romo-eli-mannings-game-a-red-flag

2004 Eagles
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
K. Warner 16/28 203 0 0
E. Manning 3/9 66 0 0

Against the Jets he threw to picks and fumbled. Looked everywhere for all the stats, couldn't find them.

The only other stats I found for him on NFL.com was in his first two years was:
2005 against the panthers 3 for 9 150 yds 2Tds

All other Giants stats where for team leaders which at the time was Kurt or Hasselback.

Nassib has looked good. I'm a little bit of an outlier here because I'm curious about what Nassib could do with all of our weapons but the only reason I'd ever bring up not extending Eli to a long term contract is 1. Because of the money 2. As we've seen Nassib can extend plays with this not so experienced O-line. Eli will have to 1. Throw it away. 2. Take the sack. 3. Throw an INT when pressured.

Now is Nassib going to be better than Eli at everything, of course not Eli's at the tail end of his career. But IMO he looks better than Eli did as a sophomore. I would like to hear Kurts evaluation of the two.



Totally agree. Excellent analysis. Good job.
#10  
dep026 : 9/4/2015 6:46 pm : link
you've been riding Nassib bandwagon for weeks now. he's not a sophomore, it's his 3rd year.

he looked like absolute dogshit with the whole starting lineup for the giants outside OBJ. the firdt team was going up against 2nd and red stringers and he couldn't move the ball.

he sucked balls. and why he will never see meaningful snaps unless eli gets hurt. he was flushing from the pocket when he had all the time in the world. he was terrible.

so please stop with your nonsense.
Banks  
HomerJones45 : 9/4/2015 6:52 pm : link
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The reason why Carl Banks fucking sucks as an analyst is that he makes up his mind, then assumes an agenda.

He'd fit right in on BBI
Still have him for another season  
giantgiantfan : 9/4/2015 7:05 pm : link
it would be great if they resign Eli to really showcase him next off season and try and get some value back on him, even if its just a 6th or 7th rounder.
.....  
Micko : 9/4/2015 7:27 pm : link
It wasn't his best night but I kind felt like the Giants decided they wanted to work on the sideline backshoulder throw all night long. Something was a little off w/ the offense. Not sure if it was Nassib, the WRs or that was part of the strategy. I thought he threw a lot of nice balls that were dropped.
He had a lousy game last night,  
CT Charlie : 9/4/2015 7:52 pm : link
but he was fine against the Jets. He needs more playing time, more time to see himself on tape and learn that he has 1-3 more seconds than he thinks he has. He also needs to see that he's overlooking some open receivers, but all quarterbacks do that. He has potential.
The idea that Eli would be let go because of Nassib was always  
baadbill : 9/4/2015 8:20 pm : link
silly ... Manning, for all his faults and detractors, is an elite QB because, with him in the game, the Giants always have a chance to win. And he's proven that on the biggest stage in the biggest game in any player's career - TWICE.

But that isn't a knock on Nassib. Nassib is a rookie QB who has never had an opportunity to play as a starter. Until he gets that chance, it isn't really possible to evaluate him because, until then, you can't blame him for "happy feet" or whatever else the criticisms are. Those attributes won't disappear until he the chance to "play them away".

I'm not saying he's the Giant's next franchise QB because that's unlikely just from a statistical standpoint. Chances are when Eli's gone, it will take 3-4 QBs and 20 years before his replacement is found. But, again, that doesn't mean it can't be Nassib. We won't know until (and unless) he gets the chance to play.
He was bad ...  
Manny in CA : 9/4/2015 8:23 pm : link
But, in his defense, his receivers (except for Davis & Jones) were absolutely terrible.
Seeing him and Eli play is night and day difference...  
Shockwave : 9/4/2015 9:38 pm : link
At I mean that saying Nassib just looks really fresh with his throws. He seems to have twice the velocity of Eli and zips around the field on his feet much better. He does have the makings to be a above average QB at the minimum if given the chance.
Guy cant put the  
dep026 : 9/4/2015 9:58 pm : link
ball in the endzone with the starters against 2nd and 3rd stringers, yet his floor is an above average QB in the league.

The weak have taken over the asylum.
RE: Seeing him and Eli play is night and day difference...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/4/2015 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12454813 Shockwave said:
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At I mean that saying Nassib just looks really fresh with his throws. He seems to have twice the velocity of Eli and zips around the field on his feet much better. He does have the makings to be a above average QB at the minimum if given the chance.


Crazy. He is a serviceable backup at best. Maybe my tv screen isn't clear because I saw about 2-3 throws that were lame ducks and they were only about 7 yard outs...
Zero turnovers  
Reale01 : 9/4/2015 10:04 pm : link
He has developed to the point where we would have a chance to win with him. Next year will be very important for him if he wants to be seen as more than a backup.
If you are a real Giant fan you hope Nassib  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/4/2015 10:33 pm : link
never has to take a meaningful snap. Alos there sin't one serious GM in the NFL who would take Nassib over Eli this year or next.

Here, well who knows but their talent level isn't close and most likely will never be.
I don't get how any fan can  
oldutican : 9/4/2015 10:37 pm : link
make a serious judgement on his ceiling based on limited play in preseason games. The only way to learn that is if Eli missed a chunk of the season.
He's a decent backup QB.  
jcn56 : 9/4/2015 10:46 pm : link
There are barely 32 decent starters in the league, can't expect much out of the backup QB spot. He's adequate and expensive, not much more you can ask for.
D'oh - adequate and *inexpensive*  
jcn56 : 9/4/2015 10:47 pm : link
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There are multiple people on this board who don't just think we should  
Devon : 9/4/2015 11:17 pm : link
let Eli go for Nassib, but that the Giants would be fools to draft a QB, after letting Eli go, because of Nassib. They can't even draft a QB, as insurance for a completely unproven fourth rounder, now because of how amazing he is.

Back-up QBs, point blank, are a fucking disease for way too many Giant fans. It's not about Eli or being protective of him. It's about the insipid nonsense anyone who isn't the starting QB seems to inspire, from David Carr being better than half the QBs in the league to letting Rhett Bomar go being Jerry Reese's gravest mistake to Lorenzen just needing to lose some weight to Andrew Woodson being a stone cold lock to be the next Tom Brady. Nassib is just the latest pathogen.
Nassib is a passable backup  
Vanzetti : 9/4/2015 11:24 pm : link
He is never going to be a starting QB in the league because he is not a good pocket passer.

But Giants could get by with Nassib if Eli went down for a game or two.

If Eli goes down for an extended period, Giants are screwed but so are most teams if they lose their starting QB.

RE: There are multiple people on this board who don't just think we should  
Vanzetti : 9/4/2015 11:26 pm : link
In comment 12454999 Devon said:
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let Eli go for Nassib, but that the Giants would be fools to draft a QB, after letting Eli go, because of Nassib.


John Madden famously said the backup QB is everybody's favorite player.
RE: Well said.  
Bayareabluegiant : 9/5/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12454233 bceagle05 said:
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I hope Nassib finds a home and makes a career for himself, but it won't be here. Giants certainly didn't do him any favors by drafting him into a situation where he'd never see the light of day in a meaningful game.


"How many years did we watch Eli's horrible QB play before he took us to our first SB?
RE: Still have him for another season  
Bayareabluegiant : 9/5/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12454515 giantgiantfan said:
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it would be great if they resign Eli to really showcase him next off season and try and get some value back on him, even if its just a 6th or 7th rounder.


People need to stop worrying about getting draft picks for backups.
wow  
giantfan2000 : 9/5/2015 12:08 pm : link
i thought Nassib was great this pre season..

at his best, he reminds me of aaron rogers out there
very mobile
he zips the ball
accurate on the run

maybe he would have had a better game if the giants were not constantly in 2nd and 11

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