It's been an issue with terry since he started here. why the fuck is degrom coming out at 98 pitches? I know he wasn't sharp but even at 98 pitches he's a better option than anybody coming out of the pen.
RE: or maybe the starters could actually PITCH through the 7th?
Listen, I can understand not throwing complete games...but a starter going seven innings shouldn't be a big deal. Bottom line is that our pitching (starters and especially the BP) hasn't been getting it done.
Miami is going to play us like a bitch all series and Wash will likely sweep their four game set with the Braves.
Nah, I'm not worried. Anybody get their playoff tickets yet?
Granderson, Murphy, Cespedes, Duda, Wright, Conforto, TDA, Flores. And that rocks.
Let's make the playoffs first before we start setting a lineup. 2 of the guys you put in aren't even in the current lineup, there is still a month of baseball left and i have a feeling it's going to come down to the end.
Granderson, Murphy, Cespedes, Duda, Wright, Conforto, TDA, Flores. And that rocks.
Let's make the playoffs first before we start setting a lineup. 2 of the guys you put in aren't even in the current lineup, there is still a month of baseball left and i have a feeling it's going to come down to the end.
It was more about setting what a potential healthy lineup would look like. But thanks for the advice chief. I'll take it to heart...
It's been an issue with terry since he started here. why the fuck is degrom coming out at 98 pitches? I know he wasn't sharp but even at 98 pitches he's a better option than anybody coming out of the pen.
He was laboring from the 3rd inning forward more or less. If Terry left him in and he gave the lead right back. people would have killed him anyway.
It also amazes me how people have so much faith in the mighty Nats who have blown winnable games and had bad losses all year long and meanwhile, any time the Mets lose ONE game, the sky is falling and everything's going to be terrible. It's a strange dynamic.
Z, they could write that article after every loss.
I can't even remember the last time the Mets lost a game and people didn't say it was the managers fault. This is what every Met discussion turns into after literally every single loss.
I can't even remember the last time the Mets lost a game and people didn't say it was the managers fault. This is what every Met discussion turns into after literally every single loss.
Not from my end. The Philly game really sent me over because that game was such an obvious win. Last night irked me too and after the Philly game only 3 days ago it's pretty annoying but the game was tied last night. Even if we get out of the inning we still had to win it.
And before anyone accuses me of absolving Collins of blame...
I'm not at all. I said you can't leave EOF in there against a righty... especially not Prado who already had about 10 hits last night when he came to bat.
I'd just like if someone in this bullpen aside from Tyler Clippard and Jeurys Familia would step it up here and come through in a big spot. 2 of the pitchers any of us would have sent out there in the 7th inning last night were the 2 guys who pitched and they both failed.
Someone's got to start getting the job done in those spots.
I'm not at all. I said you can't leave EOF in there against a righty... especially not Prado who already had about 10 hits last night when he came to bat.
I'd just like if someone in this bullpen aside from Tyler Clippard and Jeurys Familia would step it up here and come through in a big spot. 2 of the pitchers any of us would have sent out there in the 7th inning last night were the 2 guys who pitched and they both failed.
Someone's got to start getting the job done in those spots.
I mean didn't Goedell pitch two scoreless? Hasn't Reed been fine in his other two appearences and even last night got some key strikeouts and a double play when the bags were jammed. Didn't Robles do ok? Hasn't Gilmartin been great all year? These guys are going to allow runs again. Pitchers allow runs. Everyone can't be perfect unless their names are Clippard and Familia and even they are bound to allow a run or two soon as well. It's going to happen
The Nats themselves almost lost to the wretched Braves last night. I'm confident in our head to head match ups with the Nats. We are the better team.
But they didn't. And they scored 15 runs off of them the night before. It doesn't take a genius to see that they are playing better and getting hot.
The "I'm not concerned at all" crowd has been asking for trouble for a while now. The Nats have the probable MVP, a hot Zimmerman and Werth, among others, and an outstanding pitching staff. The Mets already went through their hot streak and they are coming back down to earth a bit. Now, the mets themselves are extremely talented and control their own fate but to sleep on the Nats is moronic.
The Nats themselves almost lost to the wretched Braves last night. I'm confident in our head to head match ups with the Nats. We are the better team.
But they didn't. And they scored 15 runs off of them the night before. It doesn't take a genius to see that they are playing better and getting hot.
The "I'm not concerned at all" crowd has been asking for trouble for a while now. The Nats have the probable MVP, a hot Zimmerman and Werth, among others, and an outstanding pitching staff. The Mets already went through their hot streak and they are coming back down to earth a bit. Now, the mets themselves are extremely talented and control their own fate but to sleep on the Nats is moronic.
Again. The "you guys better be careful crowd" isnt really paying attention. We ALL are scoreboard watching every night. Every single one of us. So that should tell you right there everyone has an eye on the Nats. I'm personally confident in our team. I'm not going to spend the next few weeks stressed and freaking out. It's been a long time since we've had a team this talented and for me I'm enjoying the ride. If the Nats catch us they catch us. We'll still control our destiny the last series of the season. That said I'm hoping we take two of three in a couple days.
It just seems like we are having so much trouble in middle relief innings with leads no matter who pitches. It has been frustrating. If those guys come in and get 3 outs last night, there's no doubt in my mind we win the game in 9 innings.
If the Mets lose the division it'll be because they blew it. Not because the Nationals are some big scary sleeping giant. They're simply not that good. It's just paranoia from past years setting in and people being unable to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance.
If the tables were turned, I guarantee the narrative would be "the Mets might catch them but I just don't see it happening.. 5 games is too much to overcome for a team that has been hovering around .500 for so long now"
That is the one thing that WILL cause me to freak out. We can take on anyone at our best but we need to be moderately healthy. I have a feeling Murphy pulled his quad again and this is going to be a bigger deal then they are letting on. Cuddyer should be out at least a week if his wrist is hurting that bad. Luckily Flores is back from his little trip. We need Duda's presence back in the worst way. Conforto has been great but he can't be our freaking cleanup hitter yet. Lol
Defending Collins the last 2 losses. Say all you want about guys stepping up but the Philly game was managed about as dumb as could be.
EOF cant get righties out, everyone but Collins knows this. If you bring in torres and you lose, then so be it. If Torres comes in and gets the righty out and we dont score, he can go another inning. His excuse of wanting EOF for Bour is bullshit! The batter up with 2 outs is the fucking key batter, not the possible man on deck.
All that hot anyway. Gio and Strasburg are up and down. Fister has been a joke. Sherzer is great but even he has been very hittable lately. I don't fear facing the Nats pitching again like I would Kershaw/Greinke in a short series.
Defending Collins the last 2 losses. Say all you want about guys stepping up but the Philly game was managed about as dumb as could be.
EOF cant get righties out, everyone but Collins knows this. If you bring in torres and you lose, then so be it. If Torres comes in and gets the righty out and we dont score, he can go another inning. His excuse of wanting EOF for Bour is bullshit! The batter up with 2 outs is the fucking key batter, not the possible man on deck.
Yeah and Familia was warmed up. Go to him there and make him pitch again in the 12th. He was rested. Oh well
If the Mets lose the division it'll be because they blew it. Not because the Nationals are some big scary sleeping giant. They're simply not that good. It's just paranoia from past years setting in and people being unable to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance.
Well, this is just not true so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. There is a difference between underachieving and being "not good." This team won 98 games last season and didn't have Schertzer and and MVP caliber Harper. They absolute have the talent there to rip off a lot of wins against shitty opponents for the rest of the season.
And as for your comment about people (presumably me) not being to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance is just you being a dick. I could easily say that you are way over confident and blind to the fact that the Nationals are an extremely talented team that has vastly underachieved this season. I'm quite comfortable with the Mets. Do you think it's entirely possible to enjoy your team while also being realistic about the competition? Big picture fellas.
All that hot anyway. Gio and Strasburg are up and down. Fister has been a joke. Sherzer is great but even he has been very hittable lately. I don't fear facing the Nats pitching again like I would Kershaw/Greinke in a short series.
Yeah well, our pitching hasn't been anything great either lately, soooooo...
but this team is absolutely loaded with stud starting power pitching the likes of which have never been seen before. I am jealous but also curious as to the near panic mode Met fans are in. Nats are nothing this race has been determined. In this case its over before its over
who sucks pitching on the road, injuries, fatigue, and an overall couple notches below where they were dominating at all season. Don't know why you are so curious.
The Nats are playing really well and will likely sweep the Braves and on fire coming into the Mets series next week...and people still downplay the Nats? Amazing.
Nats underperformed for a reason. What happened to Stras ? I am more amazed that people fear the Nats. Harper yes but their piitching is over rated
Schertzer and Zimmerman are NOT overrated. Stras may be having an up and down season but his career stats are excellent. He can dominate at any time...and will. Roark. Fister and Gonzalez are having downish years but they aren't awful. The point is that some of them may be having less quality years but they are still good pitchers.
I'll call you with what I propose to write and I'd like to get it cleared by you before I hit submit. I don't comment on most of your minded yet you are compelled to comment in mine
I'll call you with what I propose to write and I'd like to get it cleared by you before I hit submit. I don't comment on most of your minded yet you are compelled to comment in mine
Well, I also don't spend three quarters of my day littering BBI with passive aggressive posts that are painfully obvious attempts at baiting other posters. So...there's that.
should be of no concern of yours, but obviously it is. For a guy that gets into it and is on the defensive on most Met threads, perhaps you should ask yourself, why does everyone disagree with me? Why am I in pissing matches with Met fans everyday?
Maybe they aren't all wrong all the time, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about? But that takes self awareness
should be of no concern of yours, but obviously it is. For a guy that gets into it and is on the defensive on most Met threads, perhaps you should ask yourself, why does everyone disagree with me? Why am I in pissing matches with Met fans everyday?
Maybe they aren't all wrong all the time, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about? But that takes self awareness
Discussions with differing opinions aren't "pissing matches" but feel free to think whatever you want. And just because I made the observation that you live your life on this board certainly doesn't mean I'm "concerned" with it. Whatever floats your boat. I'm glad you can find the time to post so much while you are on the golf course. This must be important to you.
RE: RE: I don't expect anyone to be perfect at all..
If the Mets lose the division it'll be because they blew it. Not because the Nationals are some big scary sleeping giant. They're simply not that good. It's just paranoia from past years setting in and people being unable to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance.
Well, this is just not true so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. There is a difference between underachieving and being "not good." This team won 98 games last season and didn't have Schertzer and and MVP caliber Harper. They absolute have the talent there to rip off a lot of wins against shitty opponents for the rest of the season.
And as for your comment about people (presumably me) not being to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance is just you being a dick. I could easily say that you are way over confident and blind to the fact that the Nationals are an extremely talented team that has vastly underachieved this season. I'm quite comfortable with the Mets. Do you think it's entirely possible to enjoy your team while also being realistic about the competition? Big picture fellas.
I'm being a dick because I think a lot of Met fans are still wary of the collapses from a few years ago?
I think you may just be a tad oversensitive. It wasn't directed at you nor anyone in particular. I have a handful of friends who panic every time the Mets lose a game and keep saying "here come the Nats.. we are fucked" and I'm just getting tired of it. Last year was last year. I don't care how many games the Nationals won. The fact of the matter is that they're not overpowering anyone, they've lost to bad teams, they needed extra innings just to squeak by ATL last night and for whatever bizarre reason, people continue to believe they're some juggernaut in slumber.
Storen has been awful since the Papelbon trade, they've had all kinds of trouble. Span came back for about a day and was re-lost for the year.
I just find it hypocritical the way people give that team every single benefit of the doubt (look no further than everyone simply assuming they will sweep the Braves) while never giving the Mets any.
The chicken little mentalities get grating after a while. Let's take a deep breath and see if they can beat us 2/3 times because if they can't, they're really going to start running out of time.
arc, that's fair. Maybe I am being oversensitive and maybe the dick
comment was out of line. But in all fairness, the chicken little mentality may get old for you but so does the group of fans that believe the mets winning the division is a forgone conclusion..and that was with 40 games to go. The mets haven't won anything in a decade and we sure as shit haven't one anything yet this year. But many of you already had us in the playoffs shortly after we were four games back ourselves.
It's not hypcritical to give the Nats the benefit of the doubt and not the Mets. You earn that by winning. The Nats have, the Mets have not. You may think that how good they were last year is irrelevant but I do not. For the mere fact that they added talent and are underachieving. I do think its a bit hypocritical of you to point out that they are not a sleeping giant because they had to squeak out a win in extra innings against the Braves last night while completely discounting the fact that they destroyed them the night before while scoring 15 runs. And for a good portion of the first half of the season, they were overpowering a lot of teams.
The internet is funny sometimes. I fully realize that you may have this image of me overreacting at these mets losses...and I guess that's the price of internet message boards. I've never said that "we're fucked" or that we are going to lose. Nor do I spend much time lamenting on a baseball game that millionaires play. The mets are in a great position and I fully expect them to win the division if they take care of business. That doesn't mean that I can't or should feel it's wrong to be concerned about the Nats. They are the reining division champs with the same roster+. They've earned the benefit of the doubt. And, I know you don't like it, but the last time the Mets were relevant, they choked away the division...twice in a row. That type of stink doesn't go away until you prove otherwise.
I fully admit that I could be wrong about the Nats, and I hope I am. That's the type of crow I wouldn't mind eating. I said a long time ago that this series against the Nats would tells a lot of what we should expect for the rest of the season. Aside from that...it's all good.
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And Terry's moronic illogical use of them
It's been an issue with terry since he started here. why the fuck is degrom coming out at 98 pitches? I know he wasn't sharp but even at 98 pitches he's a better option than anybody coming out of the pen.
THIS.
Listen, I can understand not throwing complete games...but a starter going seven innings shouldn't be a big deal. Bottom line is that our pitching (starters and especially the BP) hasn't been getting it done.
Miami is going to play us like a bitch all series and Wash will likely sweep their four game set with the Braves.
Nah, I'm not worried. Anybody get their playoff tickets yet?
Let's make the playoffs first before we start setting a lineup. 2 of the guys you put in aren't even in the current lineup, there is still a month of baseball left and i have a feeling it's going to come down to the end.
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Let's make the playoffs first before we start setting a lineup. 2 of the guys you put in aren't even in the current lineup, there is still a month of baseball left and i have a feeling it's going to come down to the end.
It was more about setting what a potential healthy lineup would look like. But thanks for the advice chief. I'll take it to heart...
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And Terry's moronic illogical use of them
It's been an issue with terry since he started here. why the fuck is degrom coming out at 98 pitches? I know he wasn't sharp but even at 98 pitches he's a better option than anybody coming out of the pen.
He was laboring from the 3rd inning forward more or less. If Terry left him in and he gave the lead right back. people would have killed him anyway.
It also amazes me how people have so much faith in the mighty Nats who have blown winnable games and had bad losses all year long and meanwhile, any time the Mets lose ONE game, the sky is falling and everything's going to be terrible. It's a strange dynamic.
Parnell contributed to 5 of that 7 ERA
Not from my end. The Philly game really sent me over because that game was such an obvious win. Last night irked me too and after the Philly game only 3 days ago it's pretty annoying but the game was tied last night. Even if we get out of the inning we still had to win it.
I'd just like if someone in this bullpen aside from Tyler Clippard and Jeurys Familia would step it up here and come through in a big spot. 2 of the pitchers any of us would have sent out there in the 7th inning last night were the 2 guys who pitched and they both failed.
Someone's got to start getting the job done in those spots.
I'd just like if someone in this bullpen aside from Tyler Clippard and Jeurys Familia would step it up here and come through in a big spot. 2 of the pitchers any of us would have sent out there in the 7th inning last night were the 2 guys who pitched and they both failed.
Someone's got to start getting the job done in those spots.
I mean didn't Goedell pitch two scoreless? Hasn't Reed been fine in his other two appearences and even last night got some key strikeouts and a double play when the bags were jammed. Didn't Robles do ok? Hasn't Gilmartin been great all year? These guys are going to allow runs again. Pitchers allow runs. Everyone can't be perfect unless their names are Clippard and Familia and even they are bound to allow a run or two soon as well. It's going to happen
But they didn't. And they scored 15 runs off of them the night before. It doesn't take a genius to see that they are playing better and getting hot.
The "I'm not concerned at all" crowd has been asking for trouble for a while now. The Nats have the probable MVP, a hot Zimmerman and Werth, among others, and an outstanding pitching staff. The Mets already went through their hot streak and they are coming back down to earth a bit. Now, the mets themselves are extremely talented and control their own fate but to sleep on the Nats is moronic.
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The Nats themselves almost lost to the wretched Braves last night. I'm confident in our head to head match ups with the Nats. We are the better team.
But they didn't. And they scored 15 runs off of them the night before. It doesn't take a genius to see that they are playing better and getting hot.
The "I'm not concerned at all" crowd has been asking for trouble for a while now. The Nats have the probable MVP, a hot Zimmerman and Werth, among others, and an outstanding pitching staff. The Mets already went through their hot streak and they are coming back down to earth a bit. Now, the mets themselves are extremely talented and control their own fate but to sleep on the Nats is moronic.
Again. The "you guys better be careful crowd" isnt really paying attention. We ALL are scoreboard watching every night. Every single one of us. So that should tell you right there everyone has an eye on the Nats. I'm personally confident in our team. I'm not going to spend the next few weeks stressed and freaking out. It's been a long time since we've had a team this talented and for me I'm enjoying the ride. If the Nats catch us they catch us. We'll still control our destiny the last series of the season. That said I'm hoping we take two of three in a couple days.
If the Mets lose the division it'll be because they blew it. Not because the Nationals are some big scary sleeping giant. They're simply not that good. It's just paranoia from past years setting in and people being unable to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance.
If the tables were turned, I guarantee the narrative would be "the Mets might catch them but I just don't see it happening.. 5 games is too much to overcome for a team that has been hovering around .500 for so long now"
EOF cant get righties out, everyone but Collins knows this. If you bring in torres and you lose, then so be it. If Torres comes in and gets the righty out and we dont score, he can go another inning. His excuse of wanting EOF for Bour is bullshit! The batter up with 2 outs is the fucking key batter, not the possible man on deck.
EOF cant get righties out, everyone but Collins knows this. If you bring in torres and you lose, then so be it. If Torres comes in and gets the righty out and we dont score, he can go another inning. His excuse of wanting EOF for Bour is bullshit! The batter up with 2 outs is the fucking key batter, not the possible man on deck.
Yeah and Familia was warmed up. Go to him there and make him pitch again in the 12th. He was rested. Oh well
If the Mets lose the division it'll be because they blew it. Not because the Nationals are some big scary sleeping giant. They're simply not that good. It's just paranoia from past years setting in and people being unable to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance.
Well, this is just not true so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. There is a difference between underachieving and being "not good." This team won 98 games last season and didn't have Schertzer and and MVP caliber Harper. They absolute have the talent there to rip off a lot of wins against shitty opponents for the rest of the season.
And as for your comment about people (presumably me) not being to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance is just you being a dick. I could easily say that you are way over confident and blind to the fact that the Nationals are an extremely talented team that has vastly underachieved this season. I'm quite comfortable with the Mets. Do you think it's entirely possible to enjoy your team while also being realistic about the competition? Big picture fellas.
Yeah well, our pitching hasn't been anything great either lately, soooooo...
You have to take players away from him to prevent him from goofing up.
Another game given away. It's like he wants these remaining Nats series to be winner take all.
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Collins will never win manager of the year...should never win manager of the year.
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Harvey and Syndergaard will be hindered by their innings cap.
The Nats are playing really well and will likely sweep the Braves and on fire coming into the Mets series next week...and people still downplay the Nats? Amazing.
Schertzer and Zimmerman are NOT overrated. Stras may be having an up and down season but his career stats are excellent. He can dominate at any time...and will. Roark. Fister and Gonzalez are having downish years but they aren't awful. The point is that some of them may be having less quality years but they are still good pitchers.
Yeah, we know, again.
Well, I also don't spend three quarters of my day littering BBI with passive aggressive posts that are painfully obvious attempts at baiting other posters. So...there's that.
Maybe they aren't all wrong all the time, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about? But that takes self awareness
Maybe they aren't all wrong all the time, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about? But that takes self awareness
Discussions with differing opinions aren't "pissing matches" but feel free to think whatever you want. And just because I made the observation that you live your life on this board certainly doesn't mean I'm "concerned" with it. Whatever floats your boat. I'm glad you can find the time to post so much while you are on the golf course. This must be important to you.
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If the Mets lose the division it'll be because they blew it. Not because the Nationals are some big scary sleeping giant. They're simply not that good. It's just paranoia from past years setting in and people being unable to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance.
Well, this is just not true so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. There is a difference between underachieving and being "not good." This team won 98 games last season and didn't have Schertzer and and MVP caliber Harper. They absolute have the talent there to rip off a lot of wins against shitty opponents for the rest of the season.
And as for your comment about people (presumably me) not being to ever be comfortable with the Mets under any circumstance is just you being a dick. I could easily say that you are way over confident and blind to the fact that the Nationals are an extremely talented team that has vastly underachieved this season. I'm quite comfortable with the Mets. Do you think it's entirely possible to enjoy your team while also being realistic about the competition? Big picture fellas.
I'm being a dick because I think a lot of Met fans are still wary of the collapses from a few years ago?
I think you may just be a tad oversensitive. It wasn't directed at you nor anyone in particular. I have a handful of friends who panic every time the Mets lose a game and keep saying "here come the Nats.. we are fucked" and I'm just getting tired of it. Last year was last year. I don't care how many games the Nationals won. The fact of the matter is that they're not overpowering anyone, they've lost to bad teams, they needed extra innings just to squeak by ATL last night and for whatever bizarre reason, people continue to believe they're some juggernaut in slumber.
Storen has been awful since the Papelbon trade, they've had all kinds of trouble. Span came back for about a day and was re-lost for the year.
I just find it hypocritical the way people give that team every single benefit of the doubt (look no further than everyone simply assuming they will sweep the Braves) while never giving the Mets any.
The chicken little mentalities get grating after a while. Let's take a deep breath and see if they can beat us 2/3 times because if they can't, they're really going to start running out of time.
It's not hypcritical to give the Nats the benefit of the doubt and not the Mets. You earn that by winning. The Nats have, the Mets have not. You may think that how good they were last year is irrelevant but I do not. For the mere fact that they added talent and are underachieving. I do think its a bit hypocritical of you to point out that they are not a sleeping giant because they had to squeak out a win in extra innings against the Braves last night while completely discounting the fact that they destroyed them the night before while scoring 15 runs. And for a good portion of the first half of the season, they were overpowering a lot of teams.
The internet is funny sometimes. I fully realize that you may have this image of me overreacting at these mets losses...and I guess that's the price of internet message boards. I've never said that "we're fucked" or that we are going to lose. Nor do I spend much time lamenting on a baseball game that millionaires play. The mets are in a great position and I fully expect them to win the division if they take care of business. That doesn't mean that I can't or should feel it's wrong to be concerned about the Nats. They are the reining division champs with the same roster+. They've earned the benefit of the doubt. And, I know you don't like it, but the last time the Mets were relevant, they choked away the division...twice in a row. That type of stink doesn't go away until you prove otherwise.
I fully admit that I could be wrong about the Nats, and I hope I am. That's the type of crow I wouldn't mind eating. I said a long time ago that this series against the Nats would tells a lot of what we should expect for the rest of the season. Aside from that...it's all good.