They may feel the best way to do this is to develop a core of young home grown talent and then plug holes via FA ala 2005. It's a sound strategy but we will see if that's how they go about doing things here. You can't deny the lack of star power on this team compared to 5 years ago. Obviously you can't just pluck a star out of thin air and pay him but they did let Bennett walk. They let Joseph walk. Now they miss those players.
This is a big 12-16 months for me. I'm a pretty level headed patient nyg fan I try and keep a perspective on things and let shit unfold before condemning the staff of team. I can accept the last 2 years but for me the clock is fucking ticking. It's time to kick ass again and field a team worthy of our attention. I want progress this year and assets devoted to the cause next offseason.
Keeping the cap in a good state is vital...so attempting to not overpaid is logical and wise. However KNOWING the draft is a crapshoot the value in keeping a young good player so you can continue to build and reuse upcoming drafts to refill the void is unwise. Then add in we are average drafters at best the system on how the team is maintained in to long-term is illogical. So couple poor draft and scrape heap FA style we utilize is not efficient nor effective for sustaining a viable team for a medium size window at competing for 'ships. Sometimes you have to pay a guy and paying a guy coming off his rookie contract that as met the criteria and goals you are looking for is better than saying we can save a few million and hope the next kid has the goods as well or that injured guy\underachiever guy\project guy is that lost diamond or reclamation project that will hit on. Yea it works from time to time but you'll never have longevity like that.
Keeping the cap in a good state is vital...so attempting to not overpaid is logical and wise. However KNOWING the draft is a crapshoot the value in keeping a young good player so you can continue to build and not reuse upcoming drafts to refill the void is an unwise direction. Then add in we are average drafters at best. The system on how the team is maintained in to long-term is illogical. So couple in poor drafts and our scrape heap FA style we utilize is not efficient nor effective for sustaining a viable team for a medium size window when trying to competing for 'ships. Sometimes you have to pay a guy and paying a guy coming off his rookie contract that as met the criteria and goals you are looking for is better than saying we can save a few million and hope the next kid has the goods as well or that injured guy\underachiever guy\project guy is that lost diamond or reclamation project that will hit on. Yea it works from time to time but you'll never have longevity like that.
The way i see it we chose Beason over LJ and it has not worked out because Beason hasn't played. With Hankins on his rookie deal we should have been able to afford LJ... Not to mention we spent a 3rd rounder trying to replace him.
LJ wasn't a superstar, but he was under-rated by many fans. We had a much better run D with LJ. He and Hankins would have been a great pair of DTs.
The way i see it we chose Beason over LJ and it has not worked out because Beason hasn't played. With Hankins on his rookie deal we should have been able to afford LJ... Not to mention we spent a 3rd rounder trying to replace him.
LJ wasn't a superstar, but he was under-rated by many fans. We had a much better run D with LJ. He and Hankins would have been a great pair of DTs.
And the mind boggling thing is, if your DL is monster, then your LBs don't need to be that great. Its the way we won superbowls. Beason will never play a full season here. its rediculous by now.
going to play Monday Morning QB for the next freaking 6 months?
I am when you let a second-round pick who was a very good player leave when his first contract is up and a huge void is left by his departure.
I think that is a conversation worth having.
When are the contracts up for Chris Mara, Jerry Reese, Kevin Abrams, Marc Ross and Ken Sternfeld, and any other friends/relatives of the owners. Wouldn't those be gaps that could be profitably filled?
The way i see it we chose Beason over LJ and it has not worked out because Beason hasn't played. With Hankins on his rookie deal we should have been able to afford LJ... Not to mention we spent a 3rd rounder trying to replace him.
LJ wasn't a superstar, but he was under-rated by many fans. We had a much better run D with LJ. He and Hankins would have been a great pair of DTs.
This is the most rational analysis on this thread. And it is actually kind of hard to refute. But Beason was credited with turning the defense around. I wonder how many here would have been in favor of letting Beason walk to sign Linval. In retrospect that would have been the right move. But would it have been perceived that way at the time?
That's really the ultimate in Monday Morning Quarterbacking. I agree that Reese failed at least for a few years with rounds 4-7. But, he had extraordinarily bad luck with higher picks. At certain points, before they got hurt Nicks and and Phillips looked like all Pros in the making. David Wilson, to me, was not an every down pick and I would not have taken him with the 1st pick (which by the way was the last pick in the 1st round). But, used in optimum spots, especially in the McAdoo offense, he could have been lethal in certain spots. Is it Reese's decision making or is it bad luck with these "horrid" drafts?
...and have been called an idiot (or worse) for it.
The Giants run defense was top 10 in 2013, and it was not just because of Beason. In fact, it was mostly due to Joseph. The money overspent on spent on JD Walton ($3mm), Stevie Brown ($4mm) and Paysinger ($1.4mm) could easily have paid for L. Joseph.
All of those players could have been kept on the Giants roster if they got a fraction of what Reese paid them. No other team would have wanted them at those ridiculous salaries.
Had Cofield at the 3-tech, drafted Alford in the 3rd. Then moved Cofield to the 1-tech. Then use a #2 on Austin, missed, use another #2 on Joseph, lose Cofield, then use another #2 on Hankins, let Joseph go
What's on deck? Draft another DT in the 2nd Round next year to prepare for Hankins departure soon?
Not overspending to keep quality guys but overspending on cheaper, marginal (depth) guys. What you end up with is a roster full of marginal guys (like we have now).
If it's between overpaying for a Joseph and going to war with rookies or vet min FAs vs. overpaying marginal vets and letting our own talented but not great guys walk, I choose the former.
A million here, a million there and pretty soon you're spending real money on these backup types when you could have spent the same on one or two bigger talent homegrown types (or heck, FAs).
Really bugs me.
RE: RE: RE: We had years of horrid drafts and we shifted to years of horrid
FA pick ups to try and address those terrible drafts. So while the drafting has gotten better, the horrid FAs we got just made us worse along with the bad players we drafted in those years. I've never really thought of it in those terms before.
You should. Because that's what bad teams do. They try to make up for bad drafts with free agents, but typically overspend in that regard. It rarely works. Look at the Redskins for years under Snyder.
Remember that we drafted Clint Sintim instead of Max Unger. So two years later, Reese overspends for Baas because we're desperate for a center. He also overspent for Beatty because he drafted David Wilson instead of Cordy Glenn.
Slow up. We won a Superbowl with Baas starting at center. Therefore Baas was a good signing. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
Unger was highly rated guy and we took an3-4 LB. BAD. Baas wasn't a bad signing. His two restructured were horrible.
Reese sucks and his loyalists here always have some stupid excuse.
So here's one. Why the fuck haven't they extended Hankins whom all of you are lauding Reese for drafting. Can't wait for his next deal with some other team because that's Reese's general trend. The one guy he did re-up was Beatty who got 18 mil up front and the sucked. Then when he rose to mediocre all was forgiven but the Reese apologists. They fave him a deal that made him uncuttable for 3 years. At the time he got his deal it was a damn good one for a mediocre JAG.
Joseph's contract was front loaded but for a starting good to very good DT 12 mill bonus and 6 per year is resonable.
Excuses are fine. But in the end Reese the cap, the draft, and FA. Mara and Tiche would rather lose than upset their precious model of stability.
While the wrong decision, even at the time IMO, it's very easy to pigeonhole it as a Joseph/DT vs DRC/cb thing in terms of cap value. I know that's how I looked at it. A year and change back, you had to be cognizant of a potentially huge JPP deal or tag, which we're dealing with now. We also had a guy like Will Hill, with a ton of talent and an expiring deal...if he kept his shit together, he may have been in line for some $$$. So I'm sure that factored into the decision. Kind of another example of our upside gambles biting us, even when trying to handicap and manage the cap.
That said, I'm going to talk out of both sides of my mouth and say that an organization with a spotty 5 year draft history, should be re-signing one of the few the guys they hit with.
Your reaching now to bang the Giants. Or is it Reese? Either way the season hasn't even started and your working your way into mid-season disaster mode.
First off, ripping down the old stadium was a travesty and while I hate to bring "morality" into it , it was morally wrong - particuarly in a country where the infrastructure is falling apart.
But how could the stadium have impacted so much financially.? Other people put up stadiums alone and here the costs were split. Then didn't the outrageous sale of a licence to buy a ticket recoup alot of the costs.?
It is easy to make assertions here, I wonder what really went on.
The Giants need to spend more money. In the mid 2000s I think They had a lot more guys making big bucks than this current team does. Think about the OL in say 2010 compared to now. You had every starting player on his second contract making big bux. Now you have Beatty and Schwartz and Schwartz isn't even that highly paid compared to a guy like Snee or Mckenzie. Richburg and Pugh and flowers make pennies compared to the 2010 line. The Wrs of today not much different from the late 2000s. The RBs are about the same. Eli is about the same.
The defense of today is making pennies compared to the defense of 2010 or so. Back then you had tuck, canty and Osi getting paid now you have JPP just now coming off his rookie deal. Who else is getting paid on the DL? Uhh nobody. Moore, Wynn, selvie, Hankins, Bromley, all making peanuts. And even JPP is only now about to get paid, possibly. The LBs? Bargain basement rates there too outside of Beason and he was told to take a pay cut which he agreed to. Kennard- peanuts... Thomas and cassilas ok fine they are getting veteran deals but nothing crazy. And last but not least the secondary--- DRC is getting bank everyone else? Chump change. Remember 2010? You had rolle and Webster. Oh and we just cut our expensive punter for a kid making peanuts.
I'm not stupid I know this team is pinching pennies it's as clear as day. Mara even admitted the stadium took a bite out of their wallets, but this is getting ridiculous. They better improve this season and they better start adding some grade A beef to this roster instead of acting like the Jaguars and trying to build slow and steady. Love my Giants but I can't ignore this.
Interesting about the penny pinching. I also think they decided to spend more on the "skilled" positions, leaving them leftover bums for the OL, linebacker, etc.
considering that the final $$ was not that big. For some reason the Giants didnt value him or perhaps there was more to the situation than we know. Maybe the agent wanted a lot more from the Giants than he was able to get on the open market. Maybe LJ didnt like playing in NY and wanted out but never said it publicly.
Looking at the production and the numbers it just doesnt make sense. Plus for those people saying we would not have drafted Hankins thats not true. We drafted Hankins while LJ was on the roster. I would hope that the people that make the decision werent so short sighted thinking that Hankins was the better player (which he is) and just let LJ walk without thinking we could have 2 dominant guys plugging the middle.
The Giants dont usually let good players in their prime leave without making a push to keep them. LJ seems to be one they barely attempted to keep from what I read. I am sure if we signed him to a nice contract people would complain he is not living up to the money.
Why would they? He's two years in with two more to go.
Because he's a top tier player and to me it makes sense to extend a porential star's deal to manage the cap and lock in the guys you do hit on.
If he has an great year will he want to extend next year? Sure for top dollar. Why not extend on a deal that both can live w a year earlier. Is Bromley so assured of success that we will replay the Joseph scenario and have this same discussion a d replace the names?
And yet DT and DE could easily both be among our biggest needs come next year's draft. Dallas and Philly are going to eat us up upfront this year, so yeah, I agree, we should have kept him.
Instead we have a parade of garbage rotating with a guy who wins a spot by feasting on John Jerry in practice but gets blown back past the safety in games.
RE: Since 2010 they have spent 7 top 3 picks on DL
And yet DT and DE could easily both be among our biggest needs come next year's draft. Dallas and Philly are going to eat us up upfront this year, so yeah, I agree, we should have kept him.
Yup - and they clearly try to keep the DE while allowing the DT to walk. Meanwhile, they keep shuffling free agents in and out with many getting starts. I don't understand why they don't keep those rare DT they develop rather than continually using high draft picks on a position which should be set.
And so on and so forth..Again, as some have opined above, AT THE TIME, we were up against the cap, most of us were worried we wouldn't have money to re-sign Cruz, Nicks and JPP..
Anyone have a link to the thread when LinJo signed with the Vikes and even threads leading up to his walking? I clicked on Archives and the corner forum keeps coming up..I'd love to see who really was disturbed when LinJo signed elsewhere..
Anyone have a link to the thread when LinJo signed with the Vikes and even threads leading up to his walking? I clicked on Archives and the corner forum keeps coming up..I'd love to see who really was disturbed when LinJo signed elsewhere..
but at the time most of us thought LJ was expendable, that we had to focus the cap on other needs, and that the Giants had a crop of DTs in the wing to replace him -- It's hard to predict Austin wouldn't work out -- he looked like a value pick at the time - and if Austin had worked out this thread would not be posted
-- It's hard to predict Austin wouldn't work out -- he looked like a value pick at the time - and if Austin had worked out this thread would not be posted
I don't understand. Austin was already off the team long before Joseph left. Austin got cut in 2012. His flopping was all the more reason that Joseph should have been extended.
Sorry, meant to say that Austin was cut after the 2012 season
The Giants had a pro bowl C on the roster 2 years into a 5 yr deal. Why would they spend a 2nd on a C with a top level player already there and having Snee and Suebert as G
Baas got hurt. He had played I believe 60 straight games for SF and then got hurt as soon as the ink dried with the Giants. When he was healthy he played well
Sintim was a shitty pick but they were never going to draft Unger
if they let LJ walk knowing that Eli, JPP and Nicks were looking to cash in. I think if Jerry had a crystal ball, and knew JPP would blow up his hand, and that Hakeem's body would fail on him, he would have kept LJ.
was we need to re-sign Nicks, Cruz, and then JPP on the horizon. So we can't re-sign Joseph or Bennett.
Plus we drafted Hankins, and we were good at either signing or drafting a DT, so no need to invest in Joseph. Plus the stuff I said above, and that was the type and posts on BBI then.
Correct. The Giants have had a lot of success with get DT signings and drafting them. They do not seem to value as a position to sink major resources into. They'll typically sign a mid-range guy whether it was Robbins or Jenkins and pair them with a young player like Coefield/Alford, LinJo, and now Hankins. Canty being an exception.
They prefer to spend more $ and higher (1st rd picks) on WR, DE, CB and S. Even OL they've used top resources on. It's also unfair to say they are unwilling to spend $, when they had every intention to bring in McCourty this offseason. They would've preferred to allocate big $ at that spot and fill in around Hankins with later found picks or a cheaper signing. They just were unable to reel him in, and there was no one else available worth spending big $ on. People would feel very different about this defense with McCourty and JPP - nevermind LinJo. Whether they still also draft Collins, or used that 2nd rd pick on another position (maybe DT), the team (and D) would be much much better.
an NFL player. Really hope he can step into a solid rotational role and maybe starter by mid season. Not being able to stop the run with better frequency will turn this suspect defense into a shit-show.
The value we get out of DRC/Prince will be neutralized and the Safeties/LBs will be biting on play action all season.
I wanted us to re-sign Joseph over Beason. Beason had a slightly higher average salary (prior to his restructuring this off-season) at the time of the deal ($5.25 for LJ, $5.67 for Beason).
Markus Kuhn seems like a solid guy. I want to root for him but he's just awful, and knowing that there could have potentially been a Joseph/Hankins duo in the middle of the DL instead just makes one nauseous.
to the defense a good DT or a good MLB? Given Beason's injury history, I suppose an always healthy LJ would have been the safer signing. But a healthy Beason was more important - turns out Beason couldn't stay healthy.
Yes, if the money was there, I would gladly have kept LJ. But it wasn't.
I think losing Marcellus Bennett was a bigger loss.
Markus Kuhn seems like a solid guy. I want to root for him but he's just awful, and knowing that there could have potentially been a Joseph/Hankins duo in the middle of the DL instead just makes one nauseous.
+1 - it's amazing how often the Giants allocate 2nd or 3rd rounders on the same position. If they just kept a guy they hit on they could use those picks on other positions. Do they draft Hankins future replacement with another #2 pick next year?
This is a big 12-16 months for me. I'm a pretty level headed patient nyg fan I try and keep a perspective on things and let shit unfold before condemning the staff of team. I can accept the last 2 years but for me the clock is fucking ticking. It's time to kick ass again and field a team worthy of our attention. I want progress this year and assets devoted to the cause next offseason.
Keeping the cap in a good state is vital...so attempting to not overpaid is logical and wise. However KNOWING the draft is a crapshoot the value in keeping a young good player so you can continue to build and reuse upcoming drafts to refill the void is unwise. Then add in we are average drafters at best the system on how the team is maintained in to long-term is illogical. So couple poor draft and scrape heap FA style we utilize is not efficient nor effective for sustaining a viable team for a medium size window at competing for 'ships. Sometimes you have to pay a guy and paying a guy coming off his rookie contract that as met the criteria and goals you are looking for is better than saying we can save a few million and hope the next kid has the goods as well or that injured guy\underachiever guy\project guy is that lost diamond or reclamation project that will hit on. Yea it works from time to time but you'll never have longevity like that.
It would have made our D-line with JPP unstoppable.
Keeping the cap in a good state is vital...so attempting to not overpaid is logical and wise. However KNOWING the draft is a crapshoot the value in keeping a young good player so you can continue to build and not reuse upcoming drafts to refill the void is an unwise direction. Then add in we are average drafters at best. The system on how the team is maintained in to long-term is illogical. So couple in poor drafts and our scrape heap FA style we utilize is not efficient nor effective for sustaining a viable team for a medium size window when trying to competing for 'ships. Sometimes you have to pay a guy and paying a guy coming off his rookie contract that as met the criteria and goals you are looking for is better than saying we can save a few million and hope the next kid has the goods as well or that injured guy\underachiever guy\project guy is that lost diamond or reclamation project that will hit on. Yea it works from time to time but you'll never have longevity like that.
LJ wasn't a superstar, but he was under-rated by many fans. We had a much better run D with LJ. He and Hankins would have been a great pair of DTs.
LJ wasn't a superstar, but he was under-rated by many fans. We had a much better run D with LJ. He and Hankins would have been a great pair of DTs.
And the mind boggling thing is, if your DL is monster, then your LBs don't need to be that great. Its the way we won superbowls. Beason will never play a full season here. its rediculous by now.
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going to play Monday Morning QB for the next freaking 6 months?
I am when you let a second-round pick who was a very good player leave when his first contract is up and a huge void is left by his departure.
I think that is a conversation worth having.
When are the contracts up for Chris Mara, Jerry Reese, Kevin Abrams, Marc Ross and Ken Sternfeld, and any other friends/relatives of the owners. Wouldn't those be gaps that could be profitably filled?
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this team is a mess.....it's a shame really. I will be shocked if Dallas doesn't hang 45 on us Sunday night.
What a disaster.
So does that mean you're gonna disappear for the next several months and then come back to grace us with your presence when draft talk starts?
and who are you again?
It's a bitter lesson but every year we have to listen to posters complain "X is greedy", "X isn't worth it", "Draft choice draft choice."
Letting Joseph walk was stupid and we've been paying for it ever since.
LJ wasn't a superstar, but he was under-rated by many fans. We had a much better run D with LJ. He and Hankins would have been a great pair of DTs.
This is the most rational analysis on this thread. And it is actually kind of hard to refute. But Beason was credited with turning the defense around. I wonder how many here would have been in favor of letting Beason walk to sign Linval. In retrospect that would have been the right move. But would it have been perceived that way at the time?
The Giants run defense was top 10 in 2013, and it was not just because of Beason. In fact, it was mostly due to Joseph. The money overspent on spent on JD Walton ($3mm), Stevie Brown ($4mm) and Paysinger ($1.4mm) could easily have paid for L. Joseph.
All of those players could have been kept on the Giants roster if they got a fraction of what Reese paid them. No other team would have wanted them at those ridiculous salaries.
It was tough choice then because I am sure Reese was hoping he finally found a LB worth a damn, and we badly needed a corner.
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going to play Monday Morning QB for the next freaking 6 months?
I am when you let a second-round pick who was a very good player leave when his first contract is up and a huge void is left by his departure.
I think that is a conversation worth having.
+1 +1 +1 +1 +! !!!!!!!
What's on deck? Draft another DT in the 2nd Round next year to prepare for Hankins departure soon?
If it's between overpaying for a Joseph and going to war with rookies or vet min FAs vs. overpaying marginal vets and letting our own talented but not great guys walk, I choose the former.
A million here, a million there and pretty soon you're spending real money on these backup types when you could have spent the same on one or two bigger talent homegrown types (or heck, FAs).
Really bugs me.
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FA pick ups to try and address those terrible drafts. So while the drafting has gotten better, the horrid FAs we got just made us worse along with the bad players we drafted in those years. I've never really thought of it in those terms before.
You should. Because that's what bad teams do. They try to make up for bad drafts with free agents, but typically overspend in that regard. It rarely works. Look at the Redskins for years under Snyder.
Remember that we drafted Clint Sintim instead of Max Unger. So two years later, Reese overspends for Baas because we're desperate for a center. He also overspent for Beatty because he drafted David Wilson instead of Cordy Glenn.
Slow up. We won a Superbowl with Baas starting at center. Therefore Baas was a good signing. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
Unger was highly rated guy and we took an3-4 LB. BAD. Baas wasn't a bad signing. His two restructured were horrible.
Reese sucks and his loyalists here always have some stupid excuse.
So here's one. Why the fuck haven't they extended Hankins whom all of you are lauding Reese for drafting. Can't wait for his next deal with some other team because that's Reese's general trend. The one guy he did re-up was Beatty who got 18 mil up front and the sucked. Then when he rose to mediocre all was forgiven but the Reese apologists. They fave him a deal that made him uncuttable for 3 years. At the time he got his deal it was a damn good one for a mediocre JAG.
Joseph's contract was front loaded but for a starting good to very good DT 12 mill bonus and 6 per year is resonable.
Excuses are fine. But in the end Reese the cap, the draft, and FA. Mara and Tiche would rather lose than upset their precious model of stability.
That said, I'm going to talk out of both sides of my mouth and say that an organization with a spotty 5 year draft history, should be re-signing one of the few the guys they hit with.
First off, ripping down the old stadium was a travesty and while I hate to bring "morality" into it , it was morally wrong - particuarly in a country where the infrastructure is falling apart.
But how could the stadium have impacted so much financially.? Other people put up stadiums alone and here the costs were split. Then didn't the outrageous sale of a licence to buy a ticket recoup alot of the costs.?
It is easy to make assertions here, I wonder what really went on.
The defense of today is making pennies compared to the defense of 2010 or so. Back then you had tuck, canty and Osi getting paid now you have JPP just now coming off his rookie deal. Who else is getting paid on the DL? Uhh nobody. Moore, Wynn, selvie, Hankins, Bromley, all making peanuts. And even JPP is only now about to get paid, possibly. The LBs? Bargain basement rates there too outside of Beason and he was told to take a pay cut which he agreed to. Kennard- peanuts... Thomas and cassilas ok fine they are getting veteran deals but nothing crazy. And last but not least the secondary--- DRC is getting bank everyone else? Chump change. Remember 2010? You had rolle and Webster. Oh and we just cut our expensive punter for a kid making peanuts.
I'm not stupid I know this team is pinching pennies it's as clear as day. Mara even admitted the stadium took a bite out of their wallets, but this is getting ridiculous. They better improve this season and they better start adding some grade A beef to this roster instead of acting like the Jaguars and trying to build slow and steady. Love my Giants but I can't ignore this.
Interesting about the penny pinching. I also think they decided to spend more on the "skilled" positions, leaving them leftover bums for the OL, linebacker, etc.
Looking at the production and the numbers it just doesnt make sense. Plus for those people saying we would not have drafted Hankins thats not true. We drafted Hankins while LJ was on the roster. I would hope that the people that make the decision werent so short sighted thinking that Hankins was the better player (which he is) and just let LJ walk without thinking we could have 2 dominant guys plugging the middle.
The Giants dont usually let good players in their prime leave without making a push to keep them. LJ seems to be one they barely attempted to keep from what I read. I am sure if we signed him to a nice contract people would complain he is not living up to the money.
Because he's a top tier player and to me it makes sense to extend a porential star's deal to manage the cap and lock in the guys you do hit on.
If he has an great year will he want to extend next year? Sure for top dollar. Why not extend on a deal that both can live w a year earlier. Is Bromley so assured of success that we will replay the Joseph scenario and have this same discussion a d replace the names?
Reese doesn't manage the cap. It manages him.
Yup - and they clearly try to keep the DE while allowing the DT to walk. Meanwhile, they keep shuffling free agents in and out with many getting starts. I don't understand why they don't keep those rare DT they develop rather than continually using high draft picks on a position which should be set.
2-Traded a #1 for Craig Morton
3-Let Hostetler walk and endure Dave Brown
4-Cut McCaffrey(though I was for it at the time)
5-Trade Rosy Grier for John LoVatere(sp)
6-Traded Don Chandler to the Packers
7-Cut Olindo Mare and Matt Stover
8-Let Cofield go
And so on and so forth..Again, as some have opined above, AT THE TIME, we were up against the cap, most of us were worried we wouldn't have money to re-sign Cruz, Nicks and JPP..
Anyone have a link to the thread when LinJo signed with the Vikes and even threads leading up to his walking? I clicked on Archives and the corner forum keeps coming up..I'd love to see who really was disturbed when LinJo signed elsewhere..
Love retrospection..:)
Anyone have a link to the thread when LinJo signed with the Vikes and even threads leading up to his walking? I clicked on Archives and the corner forum keeps coming up..I'd love to see who really was disturbed when LinJo signed elsewhere..
Love retrospection..:)
About 90% of the board wanted to keep him.
Hopefully they have learned from this. Linval Joseph did not demand crazy money as JPP does.
I don't understand. Austin was already off the team long before Joseph left. Austin got cut in 2012. His flopping was all the more reason that Joseph should have been extended.
It's a bitter lesson but every year we have to listen to posters complain "X is greedy", "X isn't worth it", "Draft choice draft choice."
Letting Joseph walk was stupid and we've been paying for it ever since.
I totally agree.
Baas got hurt. He had played I believe 60 straight games for SF and then got hurt as soon as the ink dried with the Giants. When he was healthy he played well
Sintim was a shitty pick but they were never going to draft Unger
^^^
Plus we drafted Hankins, and we were good at either signing or drafting a DT, so no need to invest in Joseph. Plus the stuff I said above, and that was the type and posts on BBI then.
Correct. The Giants have had a lot of success with get DT signings and drafting them. They do not seem to value as a position to sink major resources into. They'll typically sign a mid-range guy whether it was Robbins or Jenkins and pair them with a young player like Coefield/Alford, LinJo, and now Hankins. Canty being an exception.
They prefer to spend more $ and higher (1st rd picks) on WR, DE, CB and S. Even OL they've used top resources on. It's also unfair to say they are unwilling to spend $, when they had every intention to bring in McCourty this offseason. They would've preferred to allocate big $ at that spot and fill in around Hankins with later found picks or a cheaper signing. They just were unable to reel him in, and there was no one else available worth spending big $ on. People would feel very different about this defense with McCourty and JPP - nevermind LinJo. Whether they still also draft Collins, or used that 2nd rd pick on another position (maybe DT), the team (and D) would be much much better.
Steelers shouldn't have cut John Unitas.
The value we get out of DRC/Prince will be neutralized and the Safeties/LBs will be biting on play action all season.
Yes, if the money was there, I would gladly have kept LJ. But it wasn't.
I think losing Marcellus Bennett was a bigger loss.
+1 - it's amazing how often the Giants allocate 2nd or 3rd rounders on the same position. If they just kept a guy they hit on they could use those picks on other positions. Do they draft Hankins future replacement with another #2 pick next year?