Pull the tender and move on. This is getting annoying. If he does not want to stay here to train screw him, time to move on.
LOL, lets say they cut him loose then in a year or two he is doing well on his new team. How many here would be reeling from this? (Like a Will Hill but worse)
Wasn't he staying away because he didn't want to come in, sign, and get put on the NFI? If he's not ready, or close to ready, but still wouldn't let himself be put on the NFI, why wouldn't he just keep staying away?
like some agreement that he can't or wont sign with another team. Is there a cut off date (in the CBA) that limits how long a player cn wait to sign or just (try) to become a FA?
I also assume the Giants Dr's will be monitoring his "well being" until he's ready...?
Pull the tender and move on. This is getting annoying. If he does not want to stay here to train screw him, time to move on.
I think if the relationship between the Giants and JPP really soured they would pull the plug, but we are not there yet. Why let him play for another team when the Giants hold the cards?
The drama between the New York Giants and Jason Pierre-Paul is far from over.
NFL Media's Aditi Kinkhabwala and Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Pierre-Paul -- who lost a finger and suffered other injuries in a fireworks accident on July 4 -- won't sign his $14.8 million franchise tag in the near future, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Pierre-Paul's hand "isn't quite ready" for a return and he could be out an additional month, if not longer.
The news comes one day after Pierre-Paul reported to Giants headquarters and met with team physicians for the first time since his injury. An examination of the hand revealed no broken bones.
The nature of the standoff between JPP and the Giants is unique, but the bottom line is familiar. This is about money, and how much Pierre-Paul stands to lose if he signs the Giants' $14.8 million franchise tag tender. If Pierre-Paul signs, the Giants will have the option to place the pass rusher on the non-football injury list, a designation that could leave JPP without a paycheck for the first six weeks of the season.
Rapoport and Breer reported Monday that the two sides will look to rework Pierre-Paul's contract. Pierre-Paul, meanwhile, will likely continue to draw out the process in his favor. The dance will continue into the regular season, a distraction the Giants had hoped to avoid.
This continues all season and he never signs the franchise tag an d the Giants do not pay him a cent. Do we not get the extra cap space next season, but the owner's get to keep the 14 mil JPP never did get? If that is the case, maybe the Giants are not the angels we all think they are.
Wasn't he staying away because he didn't want to come in, sign, and get put on the NFI? If he's not ready, or close to ready, but still wouldn't let himself be put on the NFI, why wouldn't he just keep staying away?
He was probably looking to cut a deal for a lesser amount in exchange for not going on NFI and the Giants refused.
Nice of JPP to go back home to Florida while your teammates are fighting for their season up here. No need to help mentor the young guys and be around the team and learn the defense while you heal.
This continues all season and he never signs the franchise tag an d the Giants do not pay him a cent. Do we not get the extra cap space next season, but the owner's get to keep the 14 mil JPP never did get? If that is the case, maybe the Giants are not the angels we all think they are.
That is all I give a shit about, then the owners can save the money, I could care less. The cap space next season will help make up for this shitshow this season.
This continues all season and he never signs the franchise tag an d the Giants do not pay him a cent. Do we not get the extra cap space next season, but the owner's get to keep the 14 mil JPP never did get? If that is the case, maybe the Giants are not the angels we all think they are.
It is still a business and i am not giving someone 14 mil after they blew part of their hand off and wouldn't let the team dr's see him until yesterday. Would you?
Wasn't he staying away because he didn't want to come in, sign, and get put on the NFI? If he's not ready, or close to ready, but still wouldn't let himself be put on the NFI, why wouldn't he just keep staying away?
Because he thought they were going to be impressed with his videos and that they were all idiots.
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 6m6 minutes ago
Giants had to decide whether it was time to start the clock on his season or not. The NFI list was no longer an option.
for the time he misses this season, right? This sucks.
Gotta love him being a greedy asshole about this. Yeah, he has a family to feed and all that nonsense. He's already a millionaire and he'll get another pretty fat contract in the offseason so I can't feel bad for him. He screwed up, he hurt himself, his team and the fans. The least he can do is accept not being paid for a month or whatever while showing up and studying the playbook, being with the team, etc. But he has to bargain for the extra millions instead.
After he blew his hand up and wouldn't allow the Giants to see his hand his agent said that he had no employer. I agree and I hope it stays that way all year.
He'll go back to Florida and hope he learns how to regrow a finger so hee can get paid. In the meantime the guys that actually cared enough to participate in the offseason and training camp have a season to worry about.
Seems like Giants could franchise him next season and the offer would be at the same first-year-franchise-offer level. Not at the higher level a player gets for a 2nd consecutive franchise Tag?
If JPP signs at week 11 and sits out the last 6:games on NFI does he then qualify for the higher franchise Tag payday next season?
Seems like Giants could franchise him next season and the offer would be at the same first-year-franchise-offer level. Not at the higher level a player gets for a 2nd consecutive franchise Tag?
If JPP signs at week 11 and sits out the last 6:games on NFI does he then qualify for the higher franchise Tag payday next season?
Garafolo is saying NFI not in play anymore. IDK if this is true or not.
JPP unlikely to sign with #Giants soon. Team didn't think he was ready to play. Could be a while. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/09/jason_pierre-pauls_return_to_giants_unlikely_to_ha.html
both sides expect him to be able to play sooner than 6 weeks.
Otherwise, he signs the tender and the Giants put him on the NFI list.
"Re-work the contract" means longer term deal. There is no need to "re-work the contract" for a franchise tender.
No. HE thinks he will be ready sooner, which is why he's not signing the tender. I bet Giants think it will be a lot longer than that. If he did sign, Giants will immediately place him on NFI, which is at least 6 weeks
I was convinced that JPP's self-made workout video and the opinion of his personal friends and medical team were enough to get him straight into uniform Sunday night.
Two months and 4 days is certainly enough time after blowing your hand off to recover and get into the kind of shape required to play defensive end in the NFL, right?
I appreciate his efforts during the 2011 super bowl run, but it's time to move on. Draft a first round DE or pick up a high level free agent next year (or both). I would hate to see them waste huge cap dollars on a guy who frankly hasn't been all that great the last few years aside from some garbage time sacks the second half of last season. Doesn't he have a lingering back issue as well? Never good for a DE.
Talks fell apart when NYG FO saw his workout routine
That franchise tender should've been pulled the minute Ronnie Barnes and Jessie Armstead were left holding their dicks in Florida, if not before. I'd have been fine with never franchising him to begin with, but that's ancient history now.
if there was any good news .. it would have leaked
i guess as long as he is not signed by Giants then he can not be around locker room .. so back to FLA for JPP
this is all bad news..
i will be surprised if JPP is back with Giants this year..
That franchise tender should've been pulled the minute Ronnie Barnes and Jessie Armstead were left holding their dicks in Florida, if not before. I'd have been fine with never franchising him to begin with, but that's ancient history now.
BC - while I want to agree with you, it's in the Giants best interest to have waited for today....to actually see the guy and see where he is.
If they cut bait now, I'd understand as they can better project.
But...it's not hurting the Giants any to re-evaluate this at a later date, seeing how the season unfolds which could influence their decision.
If we are in contention, bringing him in later could be an infusion. If we bomb.......options are there to spend elsewhere.
is no longer an option. Once the 53-man roster was set, it was off of the table.
Not entirely true, right? We can send him to the NFI but that means no JPP in blue again, which, if we think he's injured beyond playing in 2015 is pretty much the case anyway, isn't it?
That franchise tender should've been pulled the minute Ronnie Barnes and Jessie Armstead were left holding their dicks in Florida, if not before. I'd have been fine with never franchising him to begin with, but that's ancient history now.
Great point--because you know best. Given all your inside information. Dope.
This is the best case, really only case scenario given his health. The Giants save the roster spot, they retain his rights, he continues to rehab. Until he signs the tender there is no way either side is taking the liability of him doing anything at the facility or with the team.
So many keep ignoring the Giants retain control of his rights under a very tenuous circumstance. He's not on the team, and both sides have something to lose if he is.
The only outcome is and always was he continues to recover, and when that happens he's activated for a discounted price.
The two sides could play chicken over NFI, tenders and lawsuits, but nothing in the past 2 months indicates either side want to go there.
When I heard Ayers talking about how important it would be to have JPP back.....The mindset of some of these guys is amazing...he plays your position dude, say something like Selvie said, we might have no names big we will surprise people.
The drama between the New York Giants and Jason Pierre-Paul is far from over.
NFL Media's Aditi Kinkhabwala and Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Pierre-Paul -- who lost a finger and suffered other injuries in a fireworks accident on July 4 -- won't sign his $14.8 million franchise tag in the near future, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Pierre-Paul's hand "isn't quite ready" for a return and he could be out [u]an additional month, if not longer[u].
The news comes one day after Pierre-Paul reported to Giants headquarters and met with team physicians for the first time since his injury. An examination of the hand revealed no broken bones.
The nature of the standoff between JPP and the Giants is unique, but the bottom line is familiar. This is about money, and how much Pierre-Paul stands to lose if he signs the Giants' $14.8 million franchise tag tender. If Pierre-Paul signs, the Giants will have the option to place the pass rusher on the non-football injury list, a designation that could leave JPP without a paycheck for the first six weeks of the season.
Rapoport and Breer reported Monday that the two sides will look to rework Pierre-Paul's contract. Pierre-Paul, meanwhile, will likely continue to draw out the process in his favor. The dance will continue into the regular season, a distraction the Giants had hoped to avoid.
JPP unlikely to sign franchise tender in near future - ( New Window )
If he thinks he needs "an additional month, if not longer", that means he'll miss at least 5 games (up to and including game 5 against SF on October 11th). Thats 5 paychecks. Going on NFI could cost him a reported 6 games/weeks paycheck.
That's a 1 week difference. Both sides couldnt come to an agreement to keep him here so he'd at least learn the system over 1 week's pay. Doesnt make any sense.
1) It buys the team TIME. If week 5 is approaching and the Giants are 1-4 as opposed to 4-1 the conversation will certainly be different. It also will allow the team to evaluate the play of the rostered DE's regardless of the team record. Gives them more information.
2) It avoids the media circus that would be swarming around the team if JPP was sitting outside the complex saying he was ready to go while the team disagreed.
I'm sure that the Giants made a handshake agreement (if even possible with JPP- I kid I kid) to get him 3-4 million minimum this year to stay away and not rock the boat. JPP then rehabs his hand, gives the Giants first crack at a FA contract and at the end of the day as I've been saying for 2 months now, JPP moves on to another team and wallows in his own mediocrity for another few years until he flames out- I see his career as almost an exact replica of Jevon Kearse.
According to the tweet above NFI at this point ends his complete season without pay.
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The drama between the New York Giants and Jason Pierre-Paul is far from over.
NFL Media's Aditi Kinkhabwala and Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Pierre-Paul -- who lost a finger and suffered other injuries in a fireworks accident on July 4 -- won't sign his $14.8 million franchise tag in the near future, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Pierre-Paul's hand "isn't quite ready" for a return and he could be out [u]an additional month, if not longer[u].
The news comes one day after Pierre-Paul reported to Giants headquarters and met with team physicians for the first time since his injury. An examination of the hand revealed no broken bones.
The nature of the standoff between JPP and the Giants is unique, but the bottom line is familiar. This is about money, and how much Pierre-Paul stands to lose if he signs the Giants' $14.8 million franchise tag tender. If Pierre-Paul signs, the Giants will have the option to place the pass rusher on the non-football injury list, a designation that could leave JPP without a paycheck for the first six weeks of the season.
Rapoport and Breer reported Monday that the two sides will look to rework Pierre-Paul's contract. Pierre-Paul, meanwhile, will likely continue to draw out the process in his favor. The dance will continue into the regular season, a distraction the Giants had hoped to avoid.
JPP unlikely to sign franchise tender in near future - ( New Window )
If he thinks he needs "an additional month, if not longer", that means he'll miss at least 5 games (up to and including game 5 against SF on October 11th). Thats 5 paychecks. Going on NFI could cost him a reported 6 games/weeks paycheck.
That's a 1 week difference. Both sides couldnt come to an agreement to keep him here so he'd at least learn the system over 1 week's pay. Doesnt make any sense.
This is the best case, really only case scenario given his health. The Giants save the roster spot, they retain his rights, he continues to rehab. Until he signs the tender there is no way either side is taking the liability of him doing anything at the facility or with the team.
So many keep ignoring the Giants retain control of his rights under a very tenuous circumstance. He's not on the team, and both sides have something to lose if he is.
The only outcome is and always was he continues to recover, and when that happens he's activated for a discounted price.
The two sides could play chicken over NFI, tenders and lawsuits, but nothing in the past 2 months indicates either side want to go there.
Bingo.
Patience men, patience.
You don't throw away a rent-free potential asset until you know for sure it's not an asset.
Charles Robinson @CharlesRobinson 14s14 seconds ago
Regarding #Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul, source says the healing of the skin on his injured hand and his "forceful grip" ability is at issue.
is no longer an option. Once the 53-man roster was set, it was off of the table.
Our 53 man roster isn't set. Have you seen the revolving door of players today? (sarcasm)
I'm guessing they would have to release someone, so JPP is on the first week Roster. If he was close, might have done. But if it's arround 4 weeks or more, sending him home was probably best for NYG. Shows up when he's ready to play. NYG does't have to use a spot while still rehabbing or expose another player just so they can move JPP to NFI.
If after the explosion JPP signed the tender and the Giants put him on the NFI list, he'd get no pay for the first 6 weeks, correct? But could the Giants have kept him on that list longer, also without pay?
If the NFI list is 6 weeks and no more than that, JPP really was stupid for not signing the franchise tender. He would have been guaranteed nearly $10 million for the remaining 10 games of the season
However, if the Giants could have kept him on the list indefinitely, then I guess he had nothing to lose by not signing. I mean, except creating a lot of bad will.
Maybe he's hoping when he's finally healthy that the Giants will be desperate for him to play and will pay him more than the $900,000+/game that he'd have gotten from the franchise tender?
He had nothing to lose by waiting and neither did the Giants. By keeping the tender in place they prevented him from going to another team (See: Cowboys) and coming back to haunt them in November.
He could return around the same time as Beatty. That might be significant if Giants can remain afloat until then.
This actually is working out as well as it could, given his injury. Giants save some cap money and maybe they get JPP back in week ten or so.
He gets zero dollars for games he misses, and our war chest gets bigger. Maybe, on the off hand chance we are worth a damn this year, he can help us in the future. Plus he has zero legal claim on the money, if NFI used he could challenge. This is best. It also means that hand is seriously fucked up.
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 42s43 seconds ago
Worth noting on JPP: With 53-man roster established, if Giants place him on NFI, he's done for the season without pay.
Not quite, from what I am reading in the contract.
If a player is put on the NFI and the roster set, he can't be brought back off NFI. As to payment, if the player is physically able to perform "his football services" on or before the 6th game, the team "must pay" the pro rata salary in order to toll the contrac i.e. the time on the contract does not run while the player is unavailable. If the team does not pay, the time on the contract continues to run.
The team could also ask for a roster exemption since he was given a tender that he has not signed and he did not report to preseason camp which would give everyone until the day after the 3rd game of the season. The team and the player must agree in writing as to what compensation the player is paid if roster exempt.
Charles Robinson @CharlesRobinson 14s14 seconds ago
Regarding #Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul, source says the healing of the skin on his injured hand and his "forceful grip" ability is at issue.
I made this same point weeks ago based on my own experience as an amputee with skin grafts. Grafted skin does not heal like normal skin. It is more taut and less pliable which will affect his grip not too mention the strength of th muscles in his hand.
why this is surprising a lot of people because many of us have laid this out for quite some time.
JPP was unlikely to be ready to play for at least the first half the season (maybe more).
He was going to delay as long as possible to show the Giants his hand (pun intended). They saw it and as expected, it's bad.
So barring a compromise (clearly both sides could not agree) and/or the hand is really bad (likely), he goes home and they will try again probably in October.
should they pull the tender? They don't need the cap space and if they don't use it, they get credit for it later.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
Selectively choosing the pessimistic tweets to start threads on and totally dismissing any good news. Nothing about what's developed over the last few days should indicate "we may have seen the last of JPP in blue" as you put it earlier in the thread.
This year. I don't expect much but want as much info to make an accurate judgment going forward whether to try and keep him or not. I don't want to go into next season with the same drama and uncertainty.
should they pull the tender? They don't need the cap space and if they don't use it, they get credit for it later.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
I agree. I would hope we could get him in late in the season, if only to see what affect the loss of the finger does to his game.
both sides expect him to be able to play sooner than 6 weeks.
Otherwise, he signs the tender and the Giants put him on the NFI list.
"Re-work the contract" means longer term deal. There is no need to "re-work the contract" for a franchise tender.
HJ, I'm scratching my head trying to divine your logic or thought process for either assertion. I don't even JPP's camp has certainty about six weeks or less, otherwise they're not so quick to depart--rather, I think the case is they recognize that healing has that much or longer to go.
As to re-work the contract: two points: i) it was my understanding that once a date certain has passed (July 15?), ONLY the FT or a modification thereof is in play; the team and player can not enter into a long-term deal. On the contrary, "re-work the contract for a FT in present circumstances is about timing and playability outside the NFI.
You've suggested in various posts today that the FT is really a hammer over the Giants' head and that the team has no option, short of allowing JPP to become a FA, under the FT except to accept its terms because JPP has a letter, let's say a colorable letter from experts, that he can perform. If I understood you correctly, today's events seem to undercut that position.
Last Thursday I posted on the JPP Thread de Jour as quoted below (it happened to jump off one of your comments): I think the conclusion there is still valid: it is medical assessments on the one hand vs. good faith, on both sides, modification of the terms of the tender on the other. The JPP team departure today I think signals that their proffered positions about JPP's ability to perform were just so much posturing.
Again, the games have begun and the timing is what remains to play out.
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This is the essence of the battle line:
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This is an adversarial situation with millions at stake. If he had walked in after the accident, the house docs would have done the owner's bidding and at best it's NFI and 5.5 million in the owner's pocket and the worst is the tender is pulled ...
[Now] He's coming in with a Dr report saying he can play and if he gets the NFI, a fighting chance in an arbitration of getting the 5.5 million - and no talk of pulling the tender. With Dr report in hand, FA is too risky for the team.
Except I think HJ's 1st and 2nd paras contradict one another in the sense that they describe the same tension, the same outcome: standoff leading to arbitration vs. negotiation, the only difference is the timing.
Unless team and agent agree next week, an unlikely outcome, this will be similar to a battle of expert witnesses (think of "My Cousin Vinnie" for the humorous side). Agent's medical expert vs. Giants' experts from HSS and some prestigious teaching med school. The fault line is the bio-mechanical conclusions to be drawn from the state of JPP's right hand after examination.
But, unlike, say, an MCL or ACL, or achilles, where the degree of instability and susceptibility to further injury is measurable, now the docs, from multiple medical disciplines, will battle it out as to whether, between loss of the digit, stability of the hardware in the thumb, and skin grafts, the player can function at approximately his former skill level, or at an NFL level at all. For this question, it may be that one expert's view is as valid as another's because there is so little precedent, so little prior experience.
It will all be about the timing, whether there is consensus about physical ability at the end of that timing, and the parties true intentions, whether they want reach agreement somewhere in the reasonable middle of a very murky puzzle.
The question of JPP's physical conditioning--his ability to work out in the weight room--is relevant but ancillary, again more a question of timing.
skin grafts usually take 3-4 months to fully heal depending on the patient. JPP is fortunate he is still young and has good blood flow going to the area, which will allow it to heal quicker. If he is in in football shape, i expect him to be ready around mid october.
As far as the finger goes, those usually take 6-8 weeks to heal. The pins and screws were only placed to align the fractures in the correct position to allow it to heal in the correct position.
There are perennial penal colonies in the NFL. Trade him to Cleveland or Jax for a 7th round pick and end it. If they can't trade him.. just cut him and move on... He hasn't been that good the last few years and his lack of cooperation with the organization has been a negative as well. Save the cash, and move on.. Enough drama already. This guy doesn't deserve anything here.
why this is surprising a lot of people because many of us have laid this out for quite some time.
JPP was unlikely to be ready to play for at least the first half the season (maybe more).
He was going to delay as long as possible to show the Giants his hand (pun intended). They saw it and as expected, it's bad.
So barring a compromise (clearly both sides could not agree) and/or the hand is really bad (likely), he goes home and they will try again probably in October.
The good news is there is no grievance. Both sides are aligned if the tender remains in place because the Giants apparently think it's worth the risk to pay the guy his megabucks on a per-game basis once he does come back.
Both sides want him back as soon as possible. Meantime he costs us nothing, goes home and continues to rehab.
Only gets ugly if he insists he's ready and our docs say he's not. Don't think the Giants will let him sign his franchise tender if they think he's gonna play with a club.
As leverage against JPP trying to force the Giants to allow him to sign his tender and get paid. Until he's totally healthy they can "threaten" to put him on NFI and pay him nothing.
Anyone know if they did that would they be able to franchise him again next year or dies NFI count as time against that.
No NFI once initial 53 is set. He can play the moment he signs + gets moved to active roster, my understanding. Since he is not under contract, this may be correct
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 39m39 minutes ago
Giants COULD put JPP on NFI list at this point, but that would end his season, and obviously he doesn't want that. Also correct. NFI is like IR
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 1h1 hour ago
Mike Garafolo retweeted Pierre
That option went away after the final roster cut to 53. Not correct, strictly speaking, as the contract does not place that limitation. The option is still there, (there is a Player Personnel Manual that may have some rules, but it can't contravene the contract)and depending on whether the player is paid, any contract the player has may be tolled. To the extent that he means a player can't come off it and play, he's right
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 1h1 hour ago
Worth noting on JPP: With 53-man roster established, if Giants place him on NFI, he's done for the season without pay.Again, not exactly. A player under contract must be paid in order to toll the player's contract. Otherwise, the contract continues to run.
It may be that the team and player have agreed that the tender would be left on the table but the contract wouldn't be signed so it can be signed when the player is ready to play and the player immediately available.
There are perennial penal colonies in the NFL. Trade him to Cleveland or Jax for a 7th round pick and end it. If they can't trade him.. just cut him and move on... He hasn't been that good the last few years and his lack of cooperation with the organization has been a negative as well. Save the cash, and move on.. Enough drama already. This guy doesn't deserve anything here.
Revisionist history. Completely downplay his contributions to conveniently fit your narrative.
should they pull the tender? They don't need the cap space and if they don't use it, they get credit for it later.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
As I said earlier, I think he is probably done for this year, although he might be ready in say eight weeks. A month still seems a bit optimistic. But what happens if the Giants and JPP disagree about whether he's ready to play at some point during the season? The Giants obviously don't have to let him on the roster, but could JPP file a grievance claiming they are denying him the right to play?
But it's the truth and all that really matters here.
There is middle ground here and that post illustrates it to the T.
Carry on with the uninformed blanket statements and absolutes and hysterics.
What if the Giants are 4-4 and JPP is ready to contribute? What if he's able to practice for a few weeks and despite some rust the guy can still play? Wouldn't you want a plus player at DE for the stretch run?
It's like some of you just cent process that there's a wide area of grey area here. It's all or nothing -- except it's not.
I would just demand that the hand must be fully healed or he's not going to be cleared for play. By fully healed I mean out of a cast, in the dirt and ready to be employed as an asset as he takes on NFL OL.
With that understanding, both sides want him back as soon as possible.
...in potentially shelling out $10M or so for a 10-12 game rental of JPP if there's little chance he's back after this season. That money could be put to much better use on a team that has a lot of missing pieces - almost frivolous. Does our plan change if we're 0-4 or 1-4 or thereabouts when he's healthy?
Did you think JPP and the Giants were gonna release a statement that everything is roses, JPP can start practicing tomorrow and he's likely to play in 1-2 weeks? That was never going to happen. JPP is probably 4-6 weeks away from being close to game ready. That was always the common belief among most. So now JPP comes in, Giants say he's not ready to play and he goes home. This is exactly what was expected but I see posts saying this is bad news and it's all over. This is step one. Let it unfold.
Odds are JPP comes back in about a month and the Giants make an educated and informed decision then. If they like what they see JPP Signs some kind of deal, practices for a week or two and then plays around week 6-7. Today doesn't change that.
The Giants don't have to move on. They just have to play the guys they have. Why move on unless you're absolutely convinced the guy can't play this season?
I just don't get it...the Giants still don't have to do anything.
built up between the Giants and JPP over this whole scenario..
Even if he comes back, even if he returns to All-Pro status for the rest of the year, there is zero chance he re-signs with us and I seriously doubt we tag him again..Imo
Why do they have to assume he isn't coming back? They will play the guys they have no matter what happens with jpp. I'd prefer they keep their options open and treat this situation as if it's fluid. They are gonna field thei best DL they can muster. If JPP is ready to go in 6 weeks great. He could help.
I doubt he's here long term but we should milk him for all he's worth this season, assuming it's logical and he's healthy enough to play.
I said above they should not rescind the tender. By some miracle he might play this year. More than that, they still own his rights and that has value in itself.
But the team cannot move forward from a football perspective that he is coming back. They have to assume there is no cavalry coming over the hill.
The players in the Giants locker room were all excited on Monday because they thought he was coming back. Now they'll be bummed. It's time to close the door on hope and work with what you have.
another gifted MORON and now he is blowing up in our face. Good job of evaluating again by this front office. Will it ever end ? Who will be next the partying showboat OBJ ? Hope not.
there is an emotional risk to the locker room here. All of the defensive players were talking about how great it was that he was back. He's not back. And there is a good chance he's not coming back.
Why are people still so hell bent on releasing him?
There is absolutely zero reason to pull the tag. The Giants have maybe another 3 year window with Eli to win. The pressure is on and JPP is the best defensive player on the team. If they can stay afloat in the division and get Beatty and Pierre-Paul back in October maybe they have a shot. This entire organization needs to win NOW. Sure we will have to out score people to win but if he can give the giants even 70% plus of himself he is an upgrade to the defense. It only makes sense to save cap money every week until he is ready to play and help the team.
I have a hard time believing the jpp saga impacts the
And it appears, on paper at least, this is the weakest roster (especially on defense) since we "bottomed out" in 2013. First post here gents, but I'm a BBI life long reader/lurker so I am quite aware of your concerns (Kuhn, depth, talent, etc) regarding 2015. This whole JPP thing is a mess. Let's assume he's thinks he's ready to go before our likely week 6 MNF blowout loss in Philadelphia and we're 2-3 going into it (likely wins vs SF and Washington). Now we're 2-4 with Dallas/@Saints/Pats highlighting 3 of our next 4 opponents. We're staring at 3-7 after 10 games with/without JPP. Unless they win out the rest of the way, it'll look like Eli's sitting home for the playoffs for the 7th time in his 12 year career (How is that possible for a team WITH a franchise QB by the way in today's NFL?). Rescind the tag. This year smells like 5-11/6-10. Roll over the cap space and give the (hopefully) new GM and coach a fighting chance to put a better product on the field in 2016.
Good news is that Reese & Co. have picked up a new
JPP is in no position to exert his will because his hand is still a mess.
From the team's point of view - It's best that he stay away till he CAN pass the physical. (As you pointed out, they have no interest in getting into the legal morass that putting him on NFI could create).
On another related subject - No broken bones ? I thought he had his thumb fractured by the explosion, and had pins inserted.
Bottom line, I highly doubt we'll see him this football year. If he does come back, he will not be in football shape and will play with a sleeve to cover the skin grafts and a plaster club to protect his hand ...
Is a 50% JPP better than anybody else currently playing DE - THAT is the hard question that the coaching staff will have to answer.
And it appears, on paper at least, this is the weakest roster (especially on defense) since we "bottomed out" in 2013. First post here gents, but I'm a BBI life long reader/lurker so I am quite aware of your concerns (Kuhn, depth, talent, etc) regarding 2015. This whole JPP thing is a mess. Let's assume he's thinks he's ready to go before our likely week 6 MNF blowout loss in Philadelphia and we're 2-3 going into it (likely wins vs SF and Washington). Now we're 2-4 with Dallas/@Saints/Pats highlighting 3 of our next 4 opponents. We're staring at 3-7 after 10 games with/without JPP. Unless they win out the rest of the way, it'll look like Eli's sitting home for the playoffs for the 7th time in his 12 year career (How is that possible for a team WITH a franchise QB by the way in today's NFL?). Rescind the tag. This year smells like 5-11/6-10. Roll over the cap space and give the (hopefully) new GM and coach a fighting chance to put a better product on the field in 2016.
Thanks, and welcome, but Carpe Diem! The moment is now for the guys in charge. It's the start of the season. All in muthu-fukuu. I want them to win in the here and now. We are not bleeding while JPP languishes at home. Rescinding the tag gets us nothing this year. Not gonna and should NOT! do it.
Patience with JPP and
I consider him a non Giant til (and if ) he sets foot
official on the field and plays. Otherwise, it an unnecessary drama that'll be played out throught 2015 esp by media and fans. Instead on football. We saw the beginnings this week with the Q & A's.
Just go with you got and hope by chance they can do well.
Let's say it's 5 weeks in, and the Giants aren't doing so well (1-4). JPP turns up to say he's ready to sign the tender, and believes he can pass a physical.
At that point - do you even bother taking JPP back? Or do you tell him to go elsewhere and rescind the tag? I hope that situation doesn't end up the case, but it's hard to be optimistic about this squad, and the JPP situation doesn't seem to be resolving itself in the short course. If anything, it looks like he'll be ready after we're in need of his services.
should they pull the tender? They don't need the cap space and if they don't use it, they get credit for it later.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
Why should they go through the entire process again? How would they base their offer since he might miss a year? I believe his career in blue is finished, and I say good riddance. Since the moment he blew his hand apart, it's been nothing short of a disaster the way his team has handled the situation. This relationship needs to end between team and player.
After reading most of this thread, I can't believe how much stupid there has been here. " Trade him. Cut him. ".
Your point about moving on emotionally makes perfect sense. Other than that the Giants need to do nothing else. Hold his rights and if a miracle occurs and he can help the team down the road then let him sign his tender and agree to not put him on NFI. In the more likely event that he does not sufficiently recover or our season is so far gone by the time he's ready (a scenario that I unfortunately anticipate) then pull the tender and move on. We then get 14 mill on next years cap to help us rebuild.
As i read some of the comments on this thread, it's like people just want to have this stupid emotional reaction that achieves nothing.
RE: I have a hard time believing the jpp saga impacts the
The only person impacted by the uncertantity is Reese and the capologist figuring out Eli's extension
All of the players talked about how much it would mean to have JPP back on Monday. Prince was even playing jokes on everyone but constantly shouting out his name and watching teammate reactions.
The Giants may ultimately come to that same conclusion, but there is nothing forcing their hand on it right now. What if the Giants could get a pick for him next offseason, even a 4th rounder?
Let's say it's 5 weeks in, and the Giants aren't doing so well (1-4). JPP turns up to say he's ready to sign the tender, and believes he can pass a physical.
At that point - do you even bother taking JPP back? Or do you tell him to go elsewhere and rescind the tag? I hope that situation doesn't end up the case, but it's hard to be optimistic about this squad, and the JPP situation doesn't seem to be resolving itself in the short course. If anything, it looks like he'll be ready after we're in need of his services.
This is exactly my point. Thank you. Odds are by the time he thinks he's ready to play we should be under .500 with little hope for the post season (again). Unless this FO is safe and believe JPP is part of the solution going forward (and I don't believe he is as he's nothing more than an overrated player who hasn't made any meaningful game changing plays since late 2011), what's the point of him playing? If anything, he'll probably contribute to a few late season draft slot killing wins just like he did last year.
You're missing the point. IF the Giants have a horrid start to the season THEN you pull the tender. You don't do it now. Wait and make a decision when you have more info about a) his physical condition and b) whether your team is a legit contender or not.
Let's say it's 5 weeks in, and the Giants aren't doing so well (1-4). JPP turns up to say he's ready to sign the tender, and believes he can pass a physical.
At that point - do you even bother taking JPP back? Or do you tell him to go elsewhere and rescind the tag? I hope that situation doesn't end up the case, but it's hard to be optimistic about this squad, and the JPP situation doesn't seem to be resolving itself in the short course. If anything, it looks like he'll be ready after we're in need of his services.
This is exactly my point. Thank you. Odds are by the time he thinks he's ready to play we should be under .500 with little hope for the post season (again). Unless this FO is safe and believe JPP is part of the solution going forward (and I don't believe he is as he's nothing more than an overrated player who hasn't made any meaningful game changing plays since late 2011), what's the point of him playing? If anything, he'll probably contribute to a few late season draft slot killing wins just like he did last year.
Your argument means nothing st all to a coach and gm that have been put on notice that this is a "win or else" season.
RE: RE: I have a hard time believing the jpp saga impacts the
The only person impacted by the uncertantity is Reese and the capologist figuring out Eli's extension
All of the players talked about how much it would mean to have JPP back on Monday. Prince was even playing jokes on everyone but constantly shouting out his name and watching teammate reactions.
I heard about Prince's jokes but I didn't hear any other quotes. I'm sure there are some out there but I would guess that is a player solidarity point and not those guys waiting for someone to save the day.
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Let's say he comes back in 6 weeks and says he is ready, and this defense just has not had it this year, and we continually lose shootouts...we are 1-5, or 2-4.....
Is it really worth it to risk paying that kind of money for him? There is no way the Giants can even surmise what kind of player they have?
So we NFI him, he doesn't get paid at all, and we retain the rights to him.....
Problem is, he loses a year's service on his pension, in addition to no salary....and will not be a happy camper......when do you think he shows up to play next season?
Is he worth it to go through this again? There is absolutely know way of knowing what his level of play, really is...
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Franchise tag remains.
Sadly, you're probably right. They'll prorate the $$ this year while winning anywhere from 4-6 games then carry the remaining amount into the offseason where they'll likely need upgrades/depth at RT, RG, DE, DT, LB, CB, WR, and FS (wow!). And that's after handing out an extension to Manning.
No big deal. Kuhn and the boys don't need JPP
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this week or any other Sunday for that matter.
Lets play ball...
I still can't understand WTF is going on with this
roster . Offseason Sign DT Ellis cut him
bring in Nix Fails Physical ...
Fucking Kuhn doesnt breed much confidence .
I think were gonna set some records
this year ... But not Good Ones ..sigh
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Franchise tag remains.
Sadly, you're probably right. They'll prorate the $$ this year while winning anywhere from 4-6 games then carry the remaining amount into the offseason where they'll likely need upgrades/depth at RT, RG, DE, DT, LB, CB, WR, and FS (wow!). And that's after handing out an extension to Manning.
It's not about positions or players if they blow the thing up at end of year. New coaching staff will want his own players.
There will be massive turnover. We'll lose many of the best guys we have now before we are good again.
Since 53-man rosters have been submitted, the Giants no longer have the option of placing Pierre-Paul on the Non-Football Injury list and activating him after six games. While they could apply the designation and not be obligated to pay Pierre-Paul his salary, players put on that list at this point are not eligible to return this season.
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Franchise tag remains.
Sadly, you're probably right. They'll prorate the $$ this year while winning anywhere from 4-6 games then carry the remaining amount into the offseason where they'll likely need upgrades/depth at RT, RG, DE, DT, LB, CB, WR, and FS (wow!). And that's after handing out an extension to Manning.
It's not about positions or players if they blow the thing up at end of year. New coaching staff will want his own players.
There will be massive turnover. We'll lose many of the best guys we have now before we are good again.
See the thing is they've implemented a great deal of turnover in personnel over the last 2 years and we've appeared to actually have gotten worse since the start of 2013. How is that even possible? We should be a lot further ahead in terms of talent on the roster than we are today, 5 days away from the start of what looks to be another non-playoff year.
RE: Why are people still so hell bent on releasing him?
There is absolutely zero reason to pull the tag. The Giants have maybe another 3 year window with Eli to win. The pressure is on and JPP is the best defensive player on the team. If they can stay afloat in the division and get Beatty and Pierre-Paul back in October maybe they have a shot. This entire organization needs to win NOW. Sure we will have to out score people to win but if he can give the giants even 70% plus of himself he is an upgrade to the defense. It only makes sense to save cap money every week until he is ready to play and help the team.
Because of his contract attitude....Who would want this guy back after his ordeal. Now he's broke and may not play the same ever again, well I say cut bait and let him go. He's still trying to jew the org out of what he still fells is his earned pay despite the loss of half a hand and will try to play his cards right....as should the giants org.
But the analysis does not change. No need to rescind offer now. Wait and see how our season develops and if he makes sufficient progress. We can rescind at any time or if he signs tender and we don't like what we see at that time still put him on NFI for rest of season and save the cap money for next year. And a likely rebuild.
I've heard the hand and prognosis are bad, it appears cvic's heard similarly or worse.
Im not surprised.. The JPP camp is trying everything they can to try and salvage some money out of the deal.. most likely JPP will never ever be the player he once was.. and the Giants will be drafting another DE early 2016.
why pay big money to 2 players (one who may not even be effective at all this season or for the rest of his career) to get to 8-8 at best? Save the dough, save the headache, and rebuild. I will watch every Giants game and root for them with all my fandom, but I don't expect a winning season.
there is an emotional risk to the locker room here. All of the defensive players were talking about how great it was that he was back. He's not back. And there is a good chance he's not coming back.
You just proved the DISTRACTION point about JPP that many of us were talking about.
I'd wager it doesn't come down to prorating very many dollars
If his hand/prognosis are that poor, it doesn't seem another month is likely to make a huge difference. Even then, will he have any ability/condition/mindset to contribute in positive fashion? What amount of time could he possibly be useful for? At this point, not even half a season.
unfortunately it also confirms my concerns from the point this happened. it just didn't make logical sense that an NFL DE can come back quickly or in any way close to their former self with such a traumatic hand injury. Never mind consider paying him franchise dollars to do so...
unfortunately it also confirms my concerns from the point this happened. it just didn't make logical sense that an NFL DE can come back quickly or in any way close to their former self with such a traumatic hand injury. Never mind consider paying him franchise dollars to do so...
Absolutely right. I have nerve damage at just the tip of my index finger to the point it feels nothing. I can't tell you how many problems it creates for me because 8 years later my mind still forgets that the tip has no feelings. So when I grab stuff it slips through my hands. When I bite into a sandwich I bite the finger because I feel the finger next to the index finger and my brain thinks that is where my index finger is. But my index finger is instead closer to my mouth and if I'm not looking at my hand when I bite, I bite the finger.
JPP is going to make all kinds of slips and errors due to the massive nerve damage I can only imagine an injury such as he has sustained would cause. This is why I've been saying from the beginning to let him go. He will never be the JPP of 2011 again and certainly not worth 14 mil. Then, their is wrong sense of priorities to boot.
Went from Potential Super Star to Possibly
Never Playing Again Damn He was such a Beast .
Not to mention just scratching the surface ..
Best DL Best OL Loose Out in McCourty .
Free Agent Tackle Cut Beason again with another Injury .
Normally Pumped for the Start of the Season and
I am but My High Hopes have dwindled to dreading
Jerruh;s World ...
Lets play ball...
LOL, lets say they cut him loose then in a year or two he is doing well on his new team. How many here would be reeling from this? (Like a Will Hill but worse)
As much as i would like to have JPP i agree. JPP thinks money is more important the his team.
^This. In two weeks, he says he's healthy. The Giants say he isn't. Dueling doctors leads to grievance, and a headache that lasts all season.
I am so glad the fans don't run this team.
I also assume the Giants Dr's will be monitoring his "well being" until he's ready...?
I think if the relationship between the Giants and JPP really soured they would pull the plug, but we are not there yet. Why let him play for another team when the Giants hold the cards?
I guess it is now a very expensive one year 'prove it' deal ?
Love to be wrong
The drama between the New York Giants and Jason Pierre-Paul is far from over.
NFL Media's Aditi Kinkhabwala and Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Pierre-Paul -- who lost a finger and suffered other injuries in a fireworks accident on July 4 -- won't sign his $14.8 million franchise tag in the near future, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Pierre-Paul's hand "isn't quite ready" for a return and he could be out an additional month, if not longer.
The news comes one day after Pierre-Paul reported to Giants headquarters and met with team physicians for the first time since his injury. An examination of the hand revealed no broken bones.
The nature of the standoff between JPP and the Giants is unique, but the bottom line is familiar. This is about money, and how much Pierre-Paul stands to lose if he signs the Giants' $14.8 million franchise tag tender. If Pierre-Paul signs, the Giants will have the option to place the pass rusher on the non-football injury list, a designation that could leave JPP without a paycheck for the first six weeks of the season.
Rapoport and Breer reported Monday that the two sides will look to rework Pierre-Paul's contract. Pierre-Paul, meanwhile, will likely continue to draw out the process in his favor. The dance will continue into the regular season, a distraction the Giants had hoped to avoid.
JPP unlikely to sign franchise tender in near future - ( New Window )
This is probably closer to the truth than anything else. Probably gave him a "You can't be serious" look too.
All of that chatter about Jason Pierre-Paul's readiness has now vanished in a hurry now that NYG docs/trainers have had their look at him.
He was probably looking to cut a deal for a lesser amount in exchange for not going on NFI and the Giants refused.
What a turd.
Otherwise, he signs the tender and the Giants put him on the NFI list.
"Re-work the contract" means longer term deal. There is no need to "re-work the contract" for a franchise tender.
The cap space rolls over
Certainly possible.
Hahahahaha. I remember that.
It is still a business and i am not giving someone 14 mil after they blew part of their hand off and wouldn't let the team dr's see him until yesterday. Would you?
Because he thought they were going to be impressed with his videos and that they were all idiots.
All of that chatter about Jason Pierre-Paul's readiness has now vanished in a hurry now that NYG docs/trainers have had their look at him.
thank you Mr. G ...
Giants had to decide whether it was time to start the clock on his season or not. The NFI list was no longer an option.
NFI is not an option anymore?
Gotta love him being a greedy asshole about this. Yeah, he has a family to feed and all that nonsense. He's already a millionaire and he'll get another pretty fat contract in the offseason so I can't feel bad for him. He screwed up, he hurt himself, his team and the fans. The least he can do is accept not being paid for a month or whatever while showing up and studying the playbook, being with the team, etc. But he has to bargain for the extra millions instead.
The reports were the broken bones were healed. Not that he never had them.
He'll go back to Florida and hope he learns how to regrow a finger so hee can get paid. In the meantime the guys that actually cared enough to participate in the offseason and training camp have a season to worry about.
Lets play ball...
Exactly, at this point it is simply Kuhn, Dahl, and just a bunch of other guys on this team.
If JPP signs at week 11 and sits out the last 6:games on NFI does he then qualify for the higher franchise Tag payday next season?
DVD's of what? Him working out and lining up as a DE? So what? That's a far cry from getting smashed by a 300 pound offensive tackle.
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DVD's of what? Him working out and lining up as a DE? So what? That's a far cry from getting smashed by a 300 pound offensive tackle.
Yes, those. I was being sarcastic, though. :)
Otherwise, he signs the tender and the Giants put him on the NFI list.
"Re-work the contract" means longer term deal. There is no need to "re-work the contract" for a franchise tender.
No, JPP was never going to accept going on the NFI.
Jason Pierre-Paul is indeed headed home to Florida. The Giants do not feel his right hand is close to being ready for football activity.
If JPP signs at week 11 and sits out the last 6:games on NFI does he then qualify for the higher franchise Tag payday next season?
Garafolo is saying NFI not in play anymore. IDK if this is true or not.
JPP unlikely to sign with #Giants soon. Team didn't think he was ready to play. Could be a while. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/09/jason_pierre-pauls_return_to_giants_unlikely_to_ha.html
Otherwise, he signs the tender and the Giants put him on the NFI list.
"Re-work the contract" means longer term deal. There is no need to "re-work the contract" for a franchise tender.
No. HE thinks he will be ready sooner, which is why he's not signing the tender. I bet Giants think it will be a lot longer than that. If he did sign, Giants will immediately place him on NFI, which is at least 6 weeks
Two months and 4 days is certainly enough time after blowing your hand off to recover and get into the kind of shape required to play defensive end in the NFL, right?
Worth noting on JPP: With 53-man roster established, if Giants place him on NFI, he's done for the season without pay.
i guess as long as he is not signed by Giants then he can not be around locker room .. so back to FLA for JPP
this is all bad news..
i will be surprised if JPP is back with Giants this year..
Our 53 man roster isn't set. Have you seen the revolving door of players today? (sarcasm)
Tom: "Yes, he had a finger."
BC - while I want to agree with you, it's in the Giants best interest to have waited for today....to actually see the guy and see where he is.
If they cut bait now, I'd understand as they can better project.
But...it's not hurting the Giants any to re-evaluate this at a later date, seeing how the season unfolds which could influence their decision.
If we are in contention, bringing him in later could be an infusion. If we bomb.......options are there to spend elsewhere.
The only step left is for reality to sink in, pull the tender, and move on.
Not entirely true, right? We can send him to the NFI but that means no JPP in blue again, which, if we think he's injured beyond playing in 2015 is pretty much the case anyway, isn't it?
Giants can play the waiting game here.
This is the best case, really only case scenario given his health. The Giants save the roster spot, they retain his rights, he continues to rehab. Until he signs the tender there is no way either side is taking the liability of him doing anything at the facility or with the team.
So many keep ignoring the Giants retain control of his rights under a very tenuous circumstance. He's not on the team, and both sides have something to lose if he is.
The only outcome is and always was he continues to recover, and when that happens he's activated for a discounted price.
The two sides could play chicken over NFI, tenders and lawsuits, but nothing in the past 2 months indicates either side want to go there.
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The drama between the New York Giants and Jason Pierre-Paul is far from over.
NFL Media's Aditi Kinkhabwala and Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Pierre-Paul -- who lost a finger and suffered other injuries in a fireworks accident on July 4 -- won't sign his $14.8 million franchise tag in the near future, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Pierre-Paul's hand "isn't quite ready" for a return and he could be out [u]an additional month, if not longer[u].
The news comes one day after Pierre-Paul reported to Giants headquarters and met with team physicians for the first time since his injury. An examination of the hand revealed no broken bones.
The nature of the standoff between JPP and the Giants is unique, but the bottom line is familiar. This is about money, and how much Pierre-Paul stands to lose if he signs the Giants' $14.8 million franchise tag tender. If Pierre-Paul signs, the Giants will have the option to place the pass rusher on the non-football injury list, a designation that could leave JPP without a paycheck for the first six weeks of the season.
Rapoport and Breer reported Monday that the two sides will look to rework Pierre-Paul's contract. Pierre-Paul, meanwhile, will likely continue to draw out the process in his favor. The dance will continue into the regular season, a distraction the Giants had hoped to avoid.
JPP unlikely to sign franchise tender in near future - ( New Window )
If he thinks he needs "an additional month, if not longer", that means he'll miss at least 5 games (up to and including game 5 against SF on October 11th). Thats 5 paychecks. Going on NFI could cost him a reported 6 games/weeks paycheck.
That's a 1 week difference. Both sides couldnt come to an agreement to keep him here so he'd at least learn the system over 1 week's pay. Doesnt make any sense.
This is a best case scenario for 2 reasons:
1) It buys the team TIME. If week 5 is approaching and the Giants are 1-4 as opposed to 4-1 the conversation will certainly be different. It also will allow the team to evaluate the play of the rostered DE's regardless of the team record. Gives them more information.
2) It avoids the media circus that would be swarming around the team if JPP was sitting outside the complex saying he was ready to go while the team disagreed.
I'm sure that the Giants made a handshake agreement (if even possible with JPP- I kid I kid) to get him 3-4 million minimum this year to stay away and not rock the boat. JPP then rehabs his hand, gives the Giants first crack at a FA contract and at the end of the day as I've been saying for 2 months now, JPP moves on to another team and wallows in his own mediocrity for another few years until he flames out- I see his career as almost an exact replica of Jevon Kearse.
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According to the tweet above NFI at this point ends his complete season without pay.
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The drama between the New York Giants and Jason Pierre-Paul is far from over.
NFL Media's Aditi Kinkhabwala and Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Pierre-Paul -- who lost a finger and suffered other injuries in a fireworks accident on July 4 -- won't sign his $14.8 million franchise tag in the near future, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Pierre-Paul's hand "isn't quite ready" for a return and he could be out [u]an additional month, if not longer[u].
The news comes one day after Pierre-Paul reported to Giants headquarters and met with team physicians for the first time since his injury. An examination of the hand revealed no broken bones.
The nature of the standoff between JPP and the Giants is unique, but the bottom line is familiar. This is about money, and how much Pierre-Paul stands to lose if he signs the Giants' $14.8 million franchise tag tender. If Pierre-Paul signs, the Giants will have the option to place the pass rusher on the non-football injury list, a designation that could leave JPP without a paycheck for the first six weeks of the season.
Rapoport and Breer reported Monday that the two sides will look to rework Pierre-Paul's contract. Pierre-Paul, meanwhile, will likely continue to draw out the process in his favor. The dance will continue into the regular season, a distraction the Giants had hoped to avoid.
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If he thinks he needs "an additional month, if not longer", that means he'll miss at least 5 games (up to and including game 5 against SF on October 11th). Thats 5 paychecks. Going on NFI could cost him a reported 6 games/weeks paycheck.
That's a 1 week difference. Both sides couldnt come to an agreement to keep him here so he'd at least learn the system over 1 week's pay. Doesnt make any sense.
This is the best case, really only case scenario given his health. The Giants save the roster spot, they retain his rights, he continues to rehab. Until he signs the tender there is no way either side is taking the liability of him doing anything at the facility or with the team.
So many keep ignoring the Giants retain control of his rights under a very tenuous circumstance. He's not on the team, and both sides have something to lose if he is.
The only outcome is and always was he continues to recover, and when that happens he's activated for a discounted price.
The two sides could play chicken over NFI, tenders and lawsuits, but nothing in the past 2 months indicates either side want to go there.
Bingo.
Patience men, patience.
You don't throw away a rent-free potential asset until you know for sure it's not an asset.
Make the move when you have to make it, there is nothing to be gained by doing it before then.
Regarding #Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul, source says the healing of the skin on his injured hand and his "forceful grip" ability is at issue.
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is no longer an option. Once the 53-man roster was set, it was off of the table.
Our 53 man roster isn't set. Have you seen the revolving door of players today? (sarcasm)
I'm guessing they would have to release someone, so JPP is on the first week Roster. If he was close, might have done. But if it's arround 4 weeks or more, sending him home was probably best for NYG. Shows up when he's ready to play. NYG does't have to use a spot while still rehabbing or expose another player just so they can move JPP to NFI.
If the NFI list is 6 weeks and no more than that, JPP really was stupid for not signing the franchise tender. He would have been guaranteed nearly $10 million for the remaining 10 games of the season
However, if the Giants could have kept him on the list indefinitely, then I guess he had nothing to lose by not signing. I mean, except creating a lot of bad will.
Maybe he's hoping when he's finally healthy that the Giants will be desperate for him to play and will pay him more than the $900,000+/game that he'd have gotten from the franchise tender?
He could return around the same time as Beatty. That might be significant if Giants can remain afloat until then.
This actually is working out as well as it could, given his injury. Giants save some cap money and maybe they get JPP back in week ten or so.
Worth noting on JPP: With 53-man roster established, if Giants place him on NFI, he's done for the season without pay.
If a player is put on the NFI and the roster set, he can't be brought back off NFI. As to payment, if the player is physically able to perform "his football services" on or before the 6th game, the team "must pay" the pro rata salary in order to toll the contrac i.e. the time on the contract does not run while the player is unavailable. If the team does not pay, the time on the contract continues to run.
The team could also ask for a roster exemption since he was given a tender that he has not signed and he did not report to preseason camp which would give everyone until the day after the 3rd game of the season. The team and the player must agree in writing as to what compensation the player is paid if roster exempt.
It's moot because he's basically on a defacto NFI now.
Regarding #Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul, source says the healing of the skin on his injured hand and his "forceful grip" ability is at issue.
I made this same point weeks ago based on my own experience as an amputee with skin grafts. Grafted skin does not heal like normal skin. It is more taut and less pliable which will affect his grip not too mention the strength of th muscles in his hand.
JPP was unlikely to be ready to play for at least the first half the season (maybe more).
He was going to delay as long as possible to show the Giants his hand (pun intended). They saw it and as expected, it's bad.
So barring a compromise (clearly both sides could not agree) and/or the hand is really bad (likely), he goes home and they will try again probably in October.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
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Your schtick on this is getting old, man.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Selectively choosing the pessimistic tweets to start threads on and totally dismissing any good news. Nothing about what's developed over the last few days should indicate "we may have seen the last of JPP in blue" as you put it earlier in the thread.
That schtick.
As for being more pessimistic about the situation. Not to sound like an ass, but I've been proven correct.
It's moot because he's basically on a defacto NFI now.
Art Stapleton retweeted Dan Covello
No NFI once initial 53 is set. He can play the moment he signs + gets moved to active roster, my understanding.
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 39m39 minutes ago
Giants COULD put JPP on NFI list at this point, but that would end his season, and obviously he doesn't want that.
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 1h1 hour ago
Mike Garafolo retweeted Pierre
That option went away after the final roster cut to 53.
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 1h1 hour ago
Worth noting on JPP: With 53-man roster established, if Giants place him on NFI, he's done for the season without pay.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
I agree. I would hope we could get him in late in the season, if only to see what affect the loss of the finger does to his game.
Otherwise, he signs the tender and the Giants put him on the NFI list.
"Re-work the contract" means longer term deal. There is no need to "re-work the contract" for a franchise tender.
HJ, I'm scratching my head trying to divine your logic or thought process for either assertion. I don't even JPP's camp has certainty about six weeks or less, otherwise they're not so quick to depart--rather, I think the case is they recognize that healing has that much or longer to go.
As to re-work the contract: two points: i) it was my understanding that once a date certain has passed (July 15?), ONLY the FT or a modification thereof is in play; the team and player can not enter into a long-term deal. On the contrary, "re-work the contract for a FT in present circumstances is about timing and playability outside the NFI.
You've suggested in various posts today that the FT is really a hammer over the Giants' head and that the team has no option, short of allowing JPP to become a FA, under the FT except to accept its terms because JPP has a letter, let's say a colorable letter from experts, that he can perform. If I understood you correctly, today's events seem to undercut that position.
Last Thursday I posted on the JPP Thread de Jour as quoted below (it happened to jump off one of your comments): I think the conclusion there is still valid: it is medical assessments on the one hand vs. good faith, on both sides, modification of the terms of the tender on the other. The JPP team departure today I think signals that their proffered positions about JPP's ability to perform were just so much posturing.
Again, the games have begun and the timing is what remains to play out.
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This is an adversarial situation with millions at stake. If he had walked in after the accident, the house docs would have done the owner's bidding and at best it's NFI and 5.5 million in the owner's pocket and the worst is the tender is pulled ...
[Now] He's coming in with a Dr report saying he can play and if he gets the NFI, a fighting chance in an arbitration of getting the 5.5 million - and no talk of pulling the tender. With Dr report in hand, FA is too risky for the team.
Except I think HJ's 1st and 2nd paras contradict one another in the sense that they describe the same tension, the same outcome: standoff leading to arbitration vs. negotiation, the only difference is the timing.
Unless team and agent agree next week, an unlikely outcome, this will be similar to a battle of expert witnesses (think of "My Cousin Vinnie" for the humorous side). Agent's medical expert vs. Giants' experts from HSS and some prestigious teaching med school. The fault line is the bio-mechanical conclusions to be drawn from the state of JPP's right hand after examination.
But, unlike, say, an MCL or ACL, or achilles, where the degree of instability and susceptibility to further injury is measurable, now the docs, from multiple medical disciplines, will battle it out as to whether, between loss of the digit, stability of the hardware in the thumb, and skin grafts, the player can function at approximately his former skill level, or at an NFL level at all. For this question, it may be that one expert's view is as valid as another's because there is so little precedent, so little prior experience.
It will all be about the timing, whether there is consensus about physical ability at the end of that timing, and the parties true intentions, whether they want reach agreement somewhere in the reasonable middle of a very murky puzzle.
The question of JPP's physical conditioning--his ability to work out in the weight room--is relevant but ancillary, again more a question of timing.
As far as the finger goes, those usually take 6-8 weeks to heal. The pins and screws were only placed to align the fractures in the correct position to allow it to heal in the correct position.
JPP was unlikely to be ready to play for at least the first half the season (maybe more).
He was going to delay as long as possible to show the Giants his hand (pun intended). They saw it and as expected, it's bad.
So barring a compromise (clearly both sides could not agree) and/or the hand is really bad (likely), he goes home and they will try again probably in October.
The good news is there is no grievance. Both sides are aligned if the tender remains in place because the Giants apparently think it's worth the risk to pay the guy his megabucks on a per-game basis once he does come back.
Both sides want him back as soon as possible. Meantime he costs us nothing, goes home and continues to rehab.
Only gets ugly if he insists he's ready and our docs say he's not. Don't think the Giants will let him sign his franchise tender if they think he's gonna play with a club.
Anyone know if they did that would they be able to franchise him again next year or dies NFI count as time against that.
Art Stapleton retweeted Dan Covello
No NFI once initial 53 is set. He can play the moment he signs + gets moved to active roster, my understanding.
Since he is not under contract, this may be correct
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 39m39 minutes ago
Giants COULD put JPP on NFI list at this point, but that would end his season, and obviously he doesn't want that.
Also correct. NFI is like IR
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 1h1 hour ago
Mike Garafolo retweeted Pierre
That option went away after the final roster cut to 53.
Not correct, strictly speaking, as the contract does not place that limitation. The option is still there, (there is a Player Personnel Manual that may have some rules, but it can't contravene the contract)and depending on whether the player is paid, any contract the player has may be tolled. To the extent that he means a player can't come off it and play, he's right
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 1h1 hour ago
Worth noting on JPP: With 53-man roster established, if Giants place him on NFI, he's done for the season without pay.Again, not exactly. A player under contract must be paid in order to toll the player's contract. Otherwise, the contract continues to run.
It may be that the team and player have agreed that the tender would be left on the table but the contract wouldn't be signed so it can be signed when the player is ready to play and the player immediately available.
Revisionist history. Completely downplay his contributions to conveniently fit your narrative.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
As I said earlier, I think he is probably done for this year, although he might be ready in say eight weeks. A month still seems a bit optimistic. But what happens if the Giants and JPP disagree about whether he's ready to play at some point during the season? The Giants obviously don't have to let him on the roster, but could JPP file a grievance claiming they are denying him the right to play?
There is middle ground here and that post illustrates it to the T.
Carry on with the uninformed blanket statements and absolutes and hysterics.
What if the Giants are 4-4 and JPP is ready to contribute? What if he's able to practice for a few weeks and despite some rust the guy can still play? Wouldn't you want a plus player at DE for the stretch run?
It's like some of you just cent process that there's a wide area of grey area here. It's all or nothing -- except it's not.
With that understanding, both sides want him back as soon as possible.
This
But for all intents and purposes - in terms of the playing field - it's time to move on.
The Giants have to assume he isn't coming back.
Odds are JPP comes back in about a month and the Giants make an educated and informed decision then. If they like what they see JPP Signs some kind of deal, practices for a week or two and then plays around week 6-7. Today doesn't change that.
I just don't get it...the Giants still don't have to do anything.
Even if he comes back, even if he returns to All-Pro status for the rest of the year, there is zero chance he re-signs with us and I seriously doubt we tag him again..Imo
2015 is it for JPP and the Giants imv
I doubt he's here long term but we should milk him for all he's worth this season, assuming it's logical and he's healthy enough to play.
But the team cannot move forward from a football perspective that he is coming back. They have to assume there is no cavalry coming over the hill.
The players in the Giants locker room were all excited on Monday because they thought he was coming back. Now they'll be bummed. It's time to close the door on hope and work with what you have.
The only person impacted by the uncertantity is Reese and the capologist figuring out Eli's extension
"Describe what you like to do on a typical 4th of July holiday"
From the team's point of view - It's best that he stay away till he CAN pass the physical. (As you pointed out, they have no interest in getting into the legal morass that putting him on NFI could create).
On another related subject - No broken bones ? I thought he had his thumb fractured by the explosion, and had pins inserted.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000500733/article/new-york-giants-jason-pierrepaul-has-broken-thumb
Bottom line, I highly doubt we'll see him this football year. If he does come back, he will not be in football shape and will play with a sleeve to cover the skin grafts and a plaster club to protect his hand ...
Is a 50% JPP better than anybody else currently playing DE - THAT is the hard question that the coaching staff will have to answer.
Thanks, and welcome, but Carpe Diem! The moment is now for the guys in charge. It's the start of the season. All in muthu-fukuu. I want them to win in the here and now. We are not bleeding while JPP languishes at home. Rescinding the tag gets us nothing this year. Not gonna and should NOT! do it.
Patience with JPP and
Just go with you got and hope by chance they can do well.
At that point - do you even bother taking JPP back? Or do you tell him to go elsewhere and rescind the tag? I hope that situation doesn't end up the case, but it's hard to be optimistic about this squad, and the JPP situation doesn't seem to be resolving itself in the short course. If anything, it looks like he'll be ready after we're in need of his services.
This basically holds JPP hostage.
My guess is he is done for this season and now the team will have to decide whether to tender him again in 2016 when the injuries will be fully healed.
Why should they go through the entire process again? How would they base their offer since he might miss a year? I believe his career in blue is finished, and I say good riddance. Since the moment he blew his hand apart, it's been nothing short of a disaster the way his team has handled the situation. This relationship needs to end between team and player.
Your point about moving on emotionally makes perfect sense. Other than that the Giants need to do nothing else. Hold his rights and if a miracle occurs and he can help the team down the road then let him sign his tender and agree to not put him on NFI. In the more likely event that he does not sufficiently recover or our season is so far gone by the time he's ready (a scenario that I unfortunately anticipate) then pull the tender and move on. We then get 14 mill on next years cap to help us rebuild.
As i read some of the comments on this thread, it's like people just want to have this stupid emotional reaction that achieves nothing.
The only person impacted by the uncertantity is Reese and the capologist figuring out Eli's extension
All of the players talked about how much it would mean to have JPP back on Monday. Prince was even playing jokes on everyone but constantly shouting out his name and watching teammate reactions.
At that point - do you even bother taking JPP back? Or do you tell him to go elsewhere and rescind the tag? I hope that situation doesn't end up the case, but it's hard to be optimistic about this squad, and the JPP situation doesn't seem to be resolving itself in the short course. If anything, it looks like he'll be ready after we're in need of his services.
This is exactly my point. Thank you. Odds are by the time he thinks he's ready to play we should be under .500 with little hope for the post season (again). Unless this FO is safe and believe JPP is part of the solution going forward (and I don't believe he is as he's nothing more than an overrated player who hasn't made any meaningful game changing plays since late 2011), what's the point of him playing? If anything, he'll probably contribute to a few late season draft slot killing wins just like he did last year.
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Let's say it's 5 weeks in, and the Giants aren't doing so well (1-4). JPP turns up to say he's ready to sign the tender, and believes he can pass a physical.
At that point - do you even bother taking JPP back? Or do you tell him to go elsewhere and rescind the tag? I hope that situation doesn't end up the case, but it's hard to be optimistic about this squad, and the JPP situation doesn't seem to be resolving itself in the short course. If anything, it looks like he'll be ready after we're in need of his services.
This is exactly my point. Thank you. Odds are by the time he thinks he's ready to play we should be under .500 with little hope for the post season (again). Unless this FO is safe and believe JPP is part of the solution going forward (and I don't believe he is as he's nothing more than an overrated player who hasn't made any meaningful game changing plays since late 2011), what's the point of him playing? If anything, he'll probably contribute to a few late season draft slot killing wins just like he did last year.
Your argument means nothing st all to a coach and gm that have been put on notice that this is a "win or else" season.
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Preparation of any player or coach worth a damn
The only person impacted by the uncertantity is Reese and the capologist figuring out Eli's extension
All of the players talked about how much it would mean to have JPP back on Monday. Prince was even playing jokes on everyone but constantly shouting out his name and watching teammate reactions.
I heard about Prince's jokes but I didn't hear any other quotes. I'm sure there are some out there but I would guess that is a player solidarity point and not those guys waiting for someone to save the day.
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
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Lets see...you have a player that
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Franchise tag remains.
Is it really worth it to risk paying that kind of money for him? There is no way the Giants can even surmise what kind of player they have?
So we NFI him, he doesn't get paid at all, and we retain the rights to him.....
Problem is, he loses a year's service on his pension, in addition to no salary....and will not be a happy camper......when do you think he shows up to play next season?
Is he worth it to go through this again? There is absolutely know way of knowing what his level of play, really is...
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Lets see...you have a player that
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Franchise tag remains.
Sadly, you're probably right. They'll prorate the $$ this year while winning anywhere from 4-6 games then carry the remaining amount into the offseason where they'll likely need upgrades/depth at RT, RG, DE, DT, LB, CB, WR, and FS (wow!). And that's after handing out an extension to Manning.
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this week or any other Sunday for that matter.
Lets play ball...
I still can't understand WTF is going on with this
roster . Offseason Sign DT Ellis cut him
bring in Nix Fails Physical ...
Fucking Kuhn doesnt breed much confidence .
I think were gonna set some records
this year ... But not Good Ones ..sigh
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In comment 12462748 PA Giant Fan said:
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Lets see...you have a player that
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Franchise tag remains.
Sadly, you're probably right. They'll prorate the $$ this year while winning anywhere from 4-6 games then carry the remaining amount into the offseason where they'll likely need upgrades/depth at RT, RG, DE, DT, LB, CB, WR, and FS (wow!). And that's after handing out an extension to Manning.
It's not about positions or players if they blow the thing up at end of year. New coaching staff will want his own players.
There will be massive turnover. We'll lose many of the best guys we have now before we are good again.
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Lets see...you have a player that
1 - Has shown does not have the greatest work ethic and has declined since his rookie year
2 - Is not the smartest guy in the world
3 - Has a screwed up hand that may cause him to never be the same as he was and he is getting a one year deal anyway.
Does anyone really believe that at some point this season he is going to be a dominant type player? A $14m a year player?
Is there any way for the Giants to profit from not signing him if they let him go? Draft picks...anything?
An extra $14 million in cap space for Reese to invest in bottom level FA's next spring
It's not an extra 14mm. It's an extra 900,000 per weeek. If he plays 6 games he gets 5.6, we keep the other 9.
It's about this season until matsmaticalky eliminated from playoffs. Giants will not move the fuck on IMO.
Franchise tag remains.
Sadly, you're probably right. They'll prorate the $$ this year while winning anywhere from 4-6 games then carry the remaining amount into the offseason where they'll likely need upgrades/depth at RT, RG, DE, DT, LB, CB, WR, and FS (wow!). And that's after handing out an extension to Manning.
It's not about positions or players if they blow the thing up at end of year. New coaching staff will want his own players.
There will be massive turnover. We'll lose many of the best guys we have now before we are good again.
See the thing is they've implemented a great deal of turnover in personnel over the last 2 years and we've appeared to actually have gotten worse since the start of 2013. How is that even possible? We should be a lot further ahead in terms of talent on the roster than we are today, 5 days away from the start of what looks to be another non-playoff year.
Because of his contract attitude....Who would want this guy back after his ordeal. Now he's broke and may not play the same ever again, well I say cut bait and let him go. He's still trying to jew the org out of what he still fells is his earned pay despite the loss of half a hand and will try to play his cards right....as should the giants org.
It ain't over.....yet
Im not surprised.. The JPP camp is trying everything they can to try and salvage some money out of the deal.. most likely JPP will never ever be the player he once was.. and the Giants will be drafting another DE early 2016.
PA Giant Fan, before I go to bed just wanted to mention that I have sent my own email to admin about the comment.
And admin, please feel free to delete this post if/when addressed. Thank you.
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Really? "Jew the Org..."
PA Giant Fan, before I go to bed just wanted to mention that I have sent my own email to admin about the comment.
And admin, please feel free to delete this post if/when addressed. Thank you.
Maybe you should try reading to see who actually made that comment first there bud
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Really? "Jew the Org..."
PA Giant Fan, before I go to bed just wanted to mention that I have sent my own email to admin about the comment.
And admin, please feel free to delete this post if/when addressed. Thank you.
Maybe you should try reading to see who actually made that comment first there bud
I was letting PA Giant Fan know he wasn't alone in noticing the comment, is all.
You just proved the DISTRACTION point about JPP that many of us were talking about.
I suspect he's closer to being done here.
Absolutely right. I have nerve damage at just the tip of my index finger to the point it feels nothing. I can't tell you how many problems it creates for me because 8 years later my mind still forgets that the tip has no feelings. So when I grab stuff it slips through my hands. When I bite into a sandwich I bite the finger because I feel the finger next to the index finger and my brain thinks that is where my index finger is. But my index finger is instead closer to my mouth and if I'm not looking at my hand when I bite, I bite the finger.
JPP is going to make all kinds of slips and errors due to the massive nerve damage I can only imagine an injury such as he has sustained would cause. This is why I've been saying from the beginning to let him go. He will never be the JPP of 2011 again and certainly not worth 14 mil. Then, their is wrong sense of priorities to boot.
Never Playing Again Damn He was such a Beast .
Not to mention just scratching the surface ..
Best DL Best OL Loose Out in McCourty .
Free Agent Tackle Cut Beason again with another Injury .
Normally Pumped for the Start of the Season and
I am but My High Hopes have dwindled to dreading
Jerruh;s World ...