Thank God for his immaculate Special Teams play which has helped immensely! Truly worth keeping all these years for his ST's play. I know it's not 100% related to this situation, but had to get that out of my system. Sorry.
I know management values leadership in its players and the catch phrase for Beason is he's a team leader. But I believe having your key players unable to play due to injuries just demoralizes the whole team.
I predict Beason will not be a Giant for the entire season.
RE: pjcas18
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In comment 12469265 Eric from BBI said:
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Spags mentioned that as a possibility but Herzlich seems better suited outside (based on what we've seen recently).
Is that true? People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
Romo sees Herz out there, he passes in his direction....you can't keep him out of coverage unless you can predict every time the Cowboys will run the ball...
But this next comeback from injury (if he ever comes back) better be his last. I was hoping he had one more solid year in him, but I am not sure that is in the cards.
Like mentioned before, being available is such a huge aspect to being a good player. Can't rely on Beason anymore. Either he comes back soon and plays out the rest of the season, or cut him.
As for McClain, I think it says something that he has not been picked up yet or rumored to be going anywhere else. Either the injury or performance is not appealing to a lot of teams.
but the number of linebackers who can legit cover a RB or TE is limited to very few.
Again, not saying Herzlich can, so maybe you adjust with safety help on the RB/TE when it's clear to be a passing down.
or coach Herzlich up, it's not just a speed thing, Brandon Spikes managed to overcome slowness to a decent job in coverage. And Herzlich is faster than Spikes if you want to call it that.
I like Unga and wanted him to make the team, but he's not ready
surprised or even mad about the Beason injury, it's pretty much par for the course. If anything, this will give some of the other guys a chance to step up and see what they have. How much better is a 80% Beason than a 100% Unga out there?
According to most on BBI, Beason wasn't injury prone
And it was separate incidents that we didn't need to worry about. Smh. The guy is a gimp. A talented gimp, but a gimp nonetheless. Time to make a trade or scour the waiver wire for a replacement. One on who you can count on playing. I like Unga but he isn't ready. I actually like Farrand too. He has a nose for the ball that a Mike should have.
they traded up to take an average Safety while bypassing one of the best Mike LB's in recent years.
And how could you possibly know that this class of Mike LB's is going to be so great when they haven't played a down? If we passed on safety, you would have complained about our lack of safeties and said Collins was there in the 2nd round. Give me a break. For what its worth, Perryman and McKinney have both been less than inspiring thus far.
7th pick the Giants gave to the Panthers for Beason.
Gettleman gave the Panthers 5th pick and the Giants 7th pick to the Vikes and selected Benefit Benwerike. Even though PFF is not Holy Scripture, they rated Benwerike as the best rookie DB in 2014.
The Vikes used the Giants 7th pick to select Jabari Price, a CB who is viewed as a good ST player based on his first year in 2014. He is serving a 2 game suspension for pleading guilty to DWI.
I would have liked to have kept that 7th pick.
Ok, what LB would you have taken with that pick. Because unless you found a starter we are in the same place.
One TINY silver lining from each week Beason doesn't dress:
with this news. I recall Cruz downplaying his calf problem several weeks ago as if to say he was day to day but now this? And as far Beason goes, I'm a big fan of the "healthy" version (as I'm sure most are) and held out hope unlike many realists on BBI but at this point I have to throw my hands up and say uncle.
I don't want to sound like a defeatist but there are very few games on the schedule that I put as much emphasis on as I do with any Dallas game and when you couple that with it being game 1 on national tv, well, I feel like the news on these 2 is much more than a body blow. Fuuuuuck!!!
But I think the number is correct. As I understand the reworking of his contract, he has to be active to collect his $87.5K per-game bonus. I don't believe it's sufficient to just be on the roster. Most of that incentive was classified as NLTBE, so something like the first twelve games he misses are effectively a direct cap credit in 2016.
2013 and could have been signed for the 2013 season instead of trading a draft pick for Beason:
Rey Maualuga signed 2 year deal for $6.5M
Jasper Brinkley
Also available as FAs to play OLB were:
Connor Barwin- how would you like him blitzing from the outside?
Jonathan Casillas
DeAndre Levy
Geno Hayes
Maualuga to handle the inside running game would be nice. Wound up with Brinkley anyway. But Maualuga and Barwin and Kennard would have made a nice trio of LBs.
7th pick the Giants gave to the Panthers for Beason.
Gettleman gave the Panthers 5th pick and the Giants 7th pick to the Vikes and selected Benefit Benwerike. Even though PFF is not Holy Scripture, they rated Benwerike as the best rookie DB in 2014.
The Vikes used the Giants 7th pick to select Jabari Price, a CB who is viewed as a good ST player based on his first year in 2014. He is serving a 2 game suspension for pleading guilty to DWI.
I would have liked to have kept that 7th pick.
Ok, what LB would you have taken with that pick. Because unless you found a starter we are in the same place.
You may want to think about it like this. If Beason is done, we have gotten nothing, and have nothing for next year. Isn't that the real problem? I thought the idea was to use the draft to develop players to start and produce, seems like this team over the last few years have become an elephant graveyard of has beens, meanwhile we can't draft players either that have any value or impact. What is maddening is if Beason is gone next year, we start with NOTHING....don't get me started on some of the other positions.
in FA (sarcasm). Sign the BS artist (washed up) Beason over Linval Joseph. Reese and Ross (his hire) have killed this team for the past 5/6 years in the draft. Will it ever end ??? Does anyone else see the light? Oh right 'in Reese you trust".
Who is Giants replacement slot guy? How did Reese not see this coming?
So Cruz got injured during the season last year and Reese should have already replaced maybe the best slot guy in the league. You can't make this stuff up folks.
Reese traded for Beason, re-signed him and let LJ walk.
What was Rese thinking of?
Look back over the last 5 years Reese does not have a clue, totally incompetent. and responsible for running a SB champion iinto to the ground. In fairness he may be a front man for Mara but he hired the dcumented loser Ross. Make your own decision
I was on the keep LJ side. Although to be fair I was not upset at having Beason since we have been dying for a MLB for years. Also keep in mind that we needed a CB too and spent a bundle on DRC so its not like there were endless resources.
But it has clearly not worked out well as we have only gotten 2/3 of a season out of Beason.
because while I never want to get on a player for an injury, I think these two need to suck it up. They keep talking about how they want to be leaders on this team but they are now frequently sidelined. Sometimes leadership is about showing others how they have to overcome obstacles.
to be injured next, Reese has a way of finding these, retirement because they are injured vets, and burning our cap noney on them. Another talent to go along with lousy drafting and hiring losers like Ross.
YOu can see plain as day on there how many games a player dressed for and started. NOt many for Schwartz nor Beason in years leading up to their acquisitions. 1 and 4 games of each resp. for Beason in 2011 and 2012, Schwartz dressed for 29 of 48 games and started only 7 in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
YOu can see plain as day on there how many games a player dressed for and started. NOt many for Schwartz nor Beason in years leading up to their acquisitions. 1 and 4 games of each resp. for Beason in 2011 and 2012, Schwartz dressed for 29 of 48 games and started only 7 in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
Interesting you would think we would do that type of research before signing these often injured FA who never seem to play very much before they are retiring with their new contracts. Seems we have had shitload of them under this front office.
keep guys like Beason around with how injury prone they are, regardless of cost. Because you keep him around, and then you somehow become reliant on him to be healthy, which happens every blue moon, then when he's not healthy it's a psychological blow to the team. You then have to answer questions about his health every week, and it just makes no sense to even have him on the team. If he was an all pro player when healthy, sure, but he's just decent even when he's on the field.
No 7th Round pick. Players available at the time we could have drafted in the order drafted are:
Jabari Price- taken with our pick and viewed as a ST player at this time.
Jeff Janis- 4th WR for Packers
Seantrel Henderson- starting RT for the Bills
Demetrius Rhaney- back-up C for the Rams
Ken Bishop- backup DT for the Cowboys. Maybe we'll see him tomorrow night.
Terrance Mitchell- starting WR for the Cowboys. For sure we'll see him tomorrow night.
Lonnie Balantine- starting Safety for the Texans
So, 3 starters and the others are backups. Of the 3 starters, one is a RT and the other a Safety, positions where we could have used help this year.
Beason was traded to play MLB. His contract is 4 years $17m and $6.03 guaranteed. Rey Maualuga was then available for a 2 year contract and $6.5M- he was recently extended for 4 years and $15M. I guess the Bengals think he's played pretty well. Also available at same time was Jasper Brinkley, who is currently on the Giants.
Finally, we let LJ walk because we wanted Beason instead.
So, a disastrous trade considering the players we could have selected with the 7th pick, terrible contract for Beason and LJ is gone. Reese hit the trifecta but in the wrong direction.
I predict Beason will not be a Giant for the entire season.
RE: pjcas18
pjcas18 : 2:17 pm : link : reply
In comment 12469265 Eric from BBI said:
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Spags mentioned that as a possibility but Herzlich seems better suited outside (based on what we've seen recently).
Is that true? People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
Romo sees Herz out there, he passes in his direction....you can't keep him out of coverage unless you can predict every time the Cowboys will run the ball...
Like mentioned before, being available is such a huge aspect to being a good player. Can't rely on Beason anymore. Either he comes back soon and plays out the rest of the season, or cut him.
As for McClain, I think it says something that he has not been picked up yet or rumored to be going anywhere else. Either the injury or performance is not appealing to a lot of teams.
Again, not saying Herzlich can, so maybe you adjust with safety help on the RB/TE when it's clear to be a passing down.
or coach Herzlich up, it's not just a speed thing, Brandon Spikes managed to overcome slowness to a decent job in coverage. And Herzlich is faster than Spikes if you want to call it that.
Holy shit.
Bromley and Nix at DT and Unga at MLB.
Not a Mona Lisa.
And how could you possibly know that this class of Mike LB's is going to be so great when they haven't played a down? If we passed on safety, you would have complained about our lack of safeties and said Collins was there in the 2nd round. Give me a break. For what its worth, Perryman and McKinney have both been less than inspiring thus far.
Gettleman gave the Panthers 5th pick and the Giants 7th pick to the Vikes and selected Benefit Benwerike. Even though PFF is not Holy Scripture, they rated Benwerike as the best rookie DB in 2014.
The Vikes used the Giants 7th pick to select Jabari Price, a CB who is viewed as a good ST player based on his first year in 2014. He is serving a 2 game suspension for pleading guilty to DWI.
I would have liked to have kept that 7th pick.
Ok, what LB would you have taken with that pick. Because unless you found a starter we are in the same place.
Said with tongue in cheek?
nothing like being underdogs.
God Goog they aren't even on the field on third down....it's pass rushers and cover corners that get you off the field, LB'er's are off the field.
I don't want to sound like a defeatist but there are very few games on the schedule that I put as much emphasis on as I do with any Dallas game and when you couple that with it being game 1 on national tv, well, I feel like the news on these 2 is much more than a body blow. Fuuuuuck!!!
But I think the number is correct. As I understand the reworking of his contract, he has to be active to collect his $87.5K per-game bonus. I don't believe it's sufficient to just be on the roster. Most of that incentive was classified as NLTBE, so something like the first twelve games he misses are effectively a direct cap credit in 2016.
nothing like being underdogs.
Who says he'll show his face?
Rey Maualuga signed 2 year deal for $6.5M
Jasper Brinkley
Also available as FAs to play OLB were:
Connor Barwin- how would you like him blitzing from the outside?
Jonathan Casillas
DeAndre Levy
Geno Hayes
Maualuga to handle the inside running game would be nice. Wound up with Brinkley anyway. But Maualuga and Barwin and Kennard would have made a nice trio of LBs.
I have not expected anything out of Cruz all along and really doubt he will ever be near the player he was.
Who is Giants replacement slot guy? How did Reese not see this coming?
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7th pick the Giants gave to the Panthers for Beason.
Gettleman gave the Panthers 5th pick and the Giants 7th pick to the Vikes and selected Benefit Benwerike. Even though PFF is not Holy Scripture, they rated Benwerike as the best rookie DB in 2014.
The Vikes used the Giants 7th pick to select Jabari Price, a CB who is viewed as a good ST player based on his first year in 2014. He is serving a 2 game suspension for pleading guilty to DWI.
I would have liked to have kept that 7th pick.
Ok, what LB would you have taken with that pick. Because unless you found a starter we are in the same place.
You may want to think about it like this. If Beason is done, we have gotten nothing, and have nothing for next year. Isn't that the real problem? I thought the idea was to use the draft to develop players to start and produce, seems like this team over the last few years have become an elephant graveyard of has beens, meanwhile we can't draft players either that have any value or impact. What is maddening is if Beason is gone next year, we start with NOTHING....don't get me started on some of the other positions.
What was Rese thinking of?
Who is Giants replacement slot guy? How did Reese not see this coming?
So Cruz got injured during the season last year and Reese should have already replaced maybe the best slot guy in the league. You can't make this stuff up folks.
And
So, for sure no LJ and probably no Beason. Worse off than before the trade for Beason.
What was Rese thinking of?
But it has clearly not worked out well as we have only gotten 2/3 of a season out of Beason.
Maybe they should have tied his salary into games played. I'm not happy at all. When he's healthy he's quite good. When he's healthy.
Beason and Schwartz should start a club.
Next??? How about "still"
YOu can see plain as day on there how many games a player dressed for and started. NOt many for Schwartz nor Beason in years leading up to their acquisitions. 1 and 4 games of each resp. for Beason in 2011 and 2012, Schwartz dressed for 29 of 48 games and started only 7 in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
YOu can see plain as day on there how many games a player dressed for and started. NOt many for Schwartz nor Beason in years leading up to their acquisitions. 1 and 4 games of each resp. for Beason in 2011 and 2012, Schwartz dressed for 29 of 48 games and started only 7 in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
No 7th Round pick. Players available at the time we could have drafted in the order drafted are:
Jabari Price- taken with our pick and viewed as a ST player at this time.
Jeff Janis- 4th WR for Packers
Seantrel Henderson- starting RT for the Bills
Demetrius Rhaney- back-up C for the Rams
Ken Bishop- backup DT for the Cowboys. Maybe we'll see him tomorrow night.
Terrance Mitchell- starting WR for the Cowboys. For sure we'll see him tomorrow night.
Lonnie Balantine- starting Safety for the Texans
So, 3 starters and the others are backups. Of the 3 starters, one is a RT and the other a Safety, positions where we could have used help this year.
Beason was traded to play MLB. His contract is 4 years $17m and $6.03 guaranteed. Rey Maualuga was then available for a 2 year contract and $6.5M- he was recently extended for 4 years and $15M. I guess the Bengals think he's played pretty well. Also available at same time was Jasper Brinkley, who is currently on the Giants.
Finally, we let LJ walk because we wanted Beason instead.
So, a disastrous trade considering the players we could have selected with the 7th pick, terrible contract for Beason and LJ is gone. Reese hit the trifecta but in the wrong direction.