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Cruz and Beason OUT for Sunday

nygiants16 : 9/11/2015 1:46 pm
Art Stapleton & #8207;@art_stapleton 34s35 seconds ago
#Giants have declared Victor Cruz (calf) and Jon Beason (knee) OUT for Sunday night. #NYG

Beason's knee must have really swelled up after practice Wednesday...
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Well, at least we still have Herz.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/11/2015 3:30 pm : link
Thank God for his immaculate Special Teams play which has helped immensely! Truly worth keeping all these years for his ST's play. I know it's not 100% related to this situation, but had to get that out of my system. Sorry.
Get used to this people  
Giants4246 : 9/11/2015 3:31 pm : link
This will be a familiar headline on fridays
Good thing  
BigBlueCane : 9/11/2015 3:32 pm : link
they traded up to take an average Safety while bypassing one of the best Mike LB's in recent years.

and passed on Duke Johnson  
Headhunter : 9/11/2015 3:37 pm : link
a move they will regret for decades
Team morale at stake  
Fanfrom76 : 9/11/2015 3:39 pm : link
I know management values leadership in its players and the catch phrase for Beason is he's a team leader. But I believe having your key players unable to play due to injuries just demoralizes the whole team.

I predict Beason will not be a Giant for the entire season.
17M for Beason,  
Doomster : 9/11/2015 3:40 pm : link
Linval we hardly knew, ya....

RE: pjcas18
pjcas18 : 2:17 pm : link : reply
In comment 12469265 Eric from BBI said:
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Spags mentioned that as a possibility but Herzlich seems better suited outside (based on what we've seen recently).


Is that true? People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.

Romo sees Herz out there, he passes in his direction....you can't keep him out of coverage unless you can predict every time the Cowboys will run the ball...
I was also one of the guys in Beason's camp  
gmen9892 : 9/11/2015 3:43 pm : link
But this next comeback from injury (if he ever comes back) better be his last. I was hoping he had one more solid year in him, but I am not sure that is in the cards.

Like mentioned before, being available is such a huge aspect to being a good player. Can't rely on Beason anymore. Either he comes back soon and plays out the rest of the season, or cut him.

As for McClain, I think it says something that he has not been picked up yet or rumored to be going anywhere else. Either the injury or performance is not appealing to a lot of teams.
Jerrah practises what he preaches  
DelZotto : 9/11/2015 3:44 pm : link
Our Jerrah made the statement years ago that Giant fans overrate LB's, he continues to demonstrate that they have little value in his evaluation.
I get it  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2015 3:44 pm : link
but the number of linebackers who can legit cover a RB or TE is limited to very few.

Again, not saying Herzlich can, so maybe you adjust with safety help on the RB/TE when it's clear to be a passing down.

or coach Herzlich up, it's not just a speed thing, Brandon Spikes managed to overcome slowness to a decent job in coverage. And Herzlich is faster than Spikes if you want to call it that.
I like Unga and wanted him to make the team, but he's not ready  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/11/2015 3:51 pm : link
to play full-time. But, I guess it's too early to throw Brinkley in on 1st downs. I don't want to see Herzlich out there under any circumstances.
Cruz  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/11/2015 3:52 pm : link
needs to put the kibosh on this "The Return" crap too.
RE: Good thing  
BigBlueShock : 9/11/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12469505 BigBlueCane said:
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they traded up to take an average Safety while bypassing one of the best Mike LB's in recent years.

Holy shit.
Not really  
ryanmkeane : 9/11/2015 3:56 pm : link
surprised or even mad about the Beason injury, it's pretty much par for the course. If anything, this will give some of the other guys a chance to step up and see what they have. How much better is a 80% Beason than a 100% Unga out there?
According to most on BBI, Beason wasn't injury prone  
The_Taxman : 9/11/2015 3:58 pm : link
And it was separate incidents that we didn't need to worry about. Smh. The guy is a gimp. A talented gimp, but a gimp nonetheless. Time to make a trade or scour the waiver wire for a replacement. One on who you can count on playing. I like Unga but he isn't ready. I actually like Farrand too. He has a nose for the ball that a Mike should have.
If Spags rotates  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/11/2015 3:59 pm : link
DTs, then picture this:

Bromley and Nix at DT and Unga at MLB.

Not a Mona Lisa.
Well they are all separate incidents  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2015 4:00 pm : link
no amount of sarcasm changes that.
RE: Good thing  
ryanmkeane : 9/11/2015 4:03 pm : link
In comment 12469505 BigBlueCane said:
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they traded up to take an average Safety while bypassing one of the best Mike LB's in recent years.

And how could you possibly know that this class of Mike LB's is going to be so great when they haven't played a down? If we passed on safety, you would have complained about our lack of safeties and said Collins was there in the 2nd round. Give me a break. For what its worth, Perryman and McKinney have both been less than inspiring thus far.
RE: Jimmy Googs: let's see what happened to that  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2015 4:05 pm : link
In comment 12469487 Steve Filipowicz said:
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7th pick the Giants gave to the Panthers for Beason.

Gettleman gave the Panthers 5th pick and the Giants 7th pick to the Vikes and selected Benefit Benwerike. Even though PFF is not Holy Scripture, they rated Benwerike as the best rookie DB in 2014.

The Vikes used the Giants 7th pick to select Jabari Price, a CB who is viewed as a good ST player based on his first year in 2014. He is serving a 2 game suspension for pleading guilty to DWI.

I would have liked to have kept that 7th pick.


Ok, what LB would you have taken with that pick. Because unless you found a starter we are in the same place.
One TINY silver lining from each week Beason doesn't dress:  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/11/2015 4:13 pm : link
An extra $87,500 in cap space for 2016.
Beason is done  
DavidinBMNY : 9/11/2015 4:14 pm : link
He can't be counted on. His legs can't hold hp.
RE: One TINY silver lining from each week Beason doesn't dress:  
Big Blue '56 : 9/11/2015 4:14 pm : link
In comment 12469655 Big Blue Blogger said:
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An extra $87,500 in cap space for 2016.


Said with tongue in cheek?
what if ...  
shabu : 9/11/2015 4:22 pm : link
what if we win sunday despite all this, can you imagine Jerrah's look on his face

nothing like being underdogs.
Jimmy  
grizz299 : 9/11/2015 4:23 pm : link
And don't tell me the NFL doesn't value the position any longer, because its LBs that get you off the field on 3rd down.

God Goog they aren't even on the field on third down....it's pass rushers and cover corners that get you off the field, LB'er's are off the field.
No way. Not every 3rd down is  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2015 4:28 pm : link
3rd and 8.

Couldn't be more disappointed  
Stufftherun : 9/11/2015 4:34 pm : link
with this news. I recall Cruz downplaying his calf problem several weeks ago as if to say he was day to day but now this? And as far Beason goes, I'm a big fan of the "healthy" version (as I'm sure most are) and held out hope unlike many realists on BBI but at this point I have to throw my hands up and say uncle.

I don't want to sound like a defeatist but there are very few games on the schedule that I put as much emphasis on as I do with any Dallas game and when you couple that with it being game 1 on national tv, well, I feel like the news on these 2 is much more than a body blow. Fuuuuuck!!!
BB56: Not exactly tongue-in-cheek.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/11/2015 4:34 pm : link
More like head-in-hands.

But I think the number is correct. As I understand the reworking of his contract, he has to be active to collect his $87.5K per-game bonus. I don't believe it's sufficient to just be on the roster. Most of that incentive was classified as NLTBE, so something like the first twelve games he misses are effectively a direct cap credit in 2016.
Have we forgotten..  
Modus Operandi : 9/11/2015 4:38 pm : link
how atrocious how McClain was last year year?
RE: what if ...  
giantgiantfan : 9/11/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12469690 shabu said:
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what if we win sunday despite all this, can you imagine Jerrah's look on his face

nothing like being underdogs.


Who says he'll show his face?

damnit  
giantgiantfan : 9/11/2015 4:39 pm : link
Jimmy Googs: The following LBs were FAs in  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/11/2015 4:42 pm : link
2013 and could have been signed for the 2013 season instead of trading a draft pick for Beason:

Rey Maualuga signed 2 year deal for $6.5M
Jasper Brinkley

Also available as FAs to play OLB were:

Connor Barwin- how would you like him blitzing from the outside?
Jonathan Casillas
DeAndre Levy
Geno Hayes

Maualuga to handle the inside running game would be nice. Wound up with Brinkley anyway. But Maualuga and Barwin and Kennard would have made a nice trio of LBs.



Yes,J. B. is done.  
chops : 9/11/2015 4:43 pm : link
He should try another career
We could have gotten all those guys anyway  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2015 4:47 pm : link
and it has nothing to do with the 7th round pick.
get an antonio pierce next off-season  
djm : 9/11/2015 4:57 pm : link
no more bullshit.

RE: Maybe we should have PUP'd Cruz  
81_Great_Dane : 9/11/2015 5:03 pm : link
In comment 12469186 David in LA said:
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I don't know. This shit is so frustrating. Just venting here.
You can't PUP a guy after he's practiced.
Beason is really a joke  
averagejoe : 9/11/2015 5:13 pm : link
Looks like Tarzan . Plays less often than Jane.

I have not expected anything out of Cruz all along and really doubt he will ever be near the player he was.

Who is Giants replacement slot guy? How did Reese not see this coming?
RE: RE: Jimmy Googs: let's see what happened to that  
mdc1 : 9/11/2015 5:15 pm : link
In comment 12469631 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 12469487 Steve Filipowicz said:


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7th pick the Giants gave to the Panthers for Beason.

Gettleman gave the Panthers 5th pick and the Giants 7th pick to the Vikes and selected Benefit Benwerike. Even though PFF is not Holy Scripture, they rated Benwerike as the best rookie DB in 2014.

The Vikes used the Giants 7th pick to select Jabari Price, a CB who is viewed as a good ST player based on his first year in 2014. He is serving a 2 game suspension for pleading guilty to DWI.

I would have liked to have kept that 7th pick.



Ok, what LB would you have taken with that pick. Because unless you found a starter we are in the same place.


You may want to think about it like this. If Beason is done, we have gotten nothing, and have nothing for next year. Isn't that the real problem? I thought the idea was to use the draft to develop players to start and produce, seems like this team over the last few years have become an elephant graveyard of has beens, meanwhile we can't draft players either that have any value or impact. What is maddening is if Beason is gone next year, we start with NOTHING....don't get me started on some of the other positions.
Another good move by the front office  
TMS : 9/11/2015 5:31 pm : link
in FA (sarcasm). Sign the BS artist (washed up) Beason over Linval Joseph. Reese and Ross (his hire) have killed this team for the past 5/6 years in the draft. Will it ever end ??? Does anyone else see the light? Oh right 'in Reese you trust".
Jimmy Gogs: it's worse than you describe because  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/11/2015 5:35 pm : link
Reese traded for Beason, re-signed him and let LJ walk.

What was Rese thinking of?
RE: Beason is really a joke  
BillT : 9/11/2015 5:37 pm : link
In comment 12469847 averagejoe said:
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Who is Giants replacement slot guy? How did Reese not see this coming?

So Cruz got injured during the season last year and Reese should have already replaced maybe the best slot guy in the league. You can't make this stuff up folks.
Should read:  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/11/2015 5:40 pm : link
Jimmy Googs

And

So, for sure no LJ and probably no Beason. Worse off than before the trade for Beason.
RE: Jimmy Gogs: it's worse than you describe because  
TMS : 9/11/2015 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12469888 Steve Filipowicz said:
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Reese traded for Beason, re-signed him and let LJ walk.

What was Rese thinking of?
Look back over the last 5 years Reese does not have a clue, totally incompetent. and responsible for running a SB champion iinto to the ground. In fairness he may be a front man for Mara but he hired the dcumented loser Ross. Make your own decision
I know we all had the Beason vs LJ debate....  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2015 6:33 pm : link
I was on the keep LJ side. Although to be fair I was not upset at having Beason since we have been dying for a MLB for years. Also keep in mind that we needed a CB too and spent a bundle on DRC so its not like there were endless resources.

But it has clearly not worked out well as we have only gotten 2/3 of a season out of Beason.

RE: Reese giving Beason that money  
mrvax : 9/11/2015 6:39 pm : link
In comment 12469161 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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was so, so dumb considering his injury history.


Maybe they should have tied his salary into games played. I'm not happy at all. When he's healthy he's quite good. When he's healthy.

Beason and Schwartz should start a club.
Are Beason and Cruz injured or hurt  
Mason : 9/11/2015 6:54 pm : link
because while I never want to get on a player for an injury, I think these two need to suck it up. They keep talking about how they want to be leaders on this team but they are now frequently sidelined. Sometimes leadership is about showing others how they have to overcome obstacles.
Schwartz is my prediction  
TMS : 9/11/2015 7:51 pm : link
to be injured next, Reese has a way of finding these, retirement because they are injured vets, and burning our cap noney on them. Another talent to go along with lousy drafting and hiring losers like Ross.
RE: Schwartz is my prediction  
Bill in UT : 9/11/2015 9:16 pm : link
In comment 12470126 TMS said:
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to be injured next,


Next??? How about "still"
Maybe someone should introduce Reese to  
Victor in CT : 9/12/2015 7:51 am : link
Profootballreference.com

YOu can see plain as day on there how many games a player dressed for and started. NOt many for Schwartz nor Beason in years leading up to their acquisitions. 1 and 4 games of each resp. for Beason in 2011 and 2012, Schwartz dressed for 29 of 48 games and started only 7 in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
RE: Maybe someone should introduce Reese to  
TMS : 9/12/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12470557 Victor in CT said:
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Profootballreference.com

YOu can see plain as day on there how many games a player dressed for and started. NOt many for Schwartz nor Beason in years leading up to their acquisitions. 1 and 4 games of each resp. for Beason in 2011 and 2012, Schwartz dressed for 29 of 48 games and started only 7 in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
Interesting you would think we would do that type of research before signing these often injured FA who never seem to play very much before they are retiring with their new contracts. Seems we have had shitload of them under this front office.
You should never  
MookGiants : 9/12/2015 1:55 pm : link
keep guys like Beason around with how injury prone they are, regardless of cost. Because you keep him around, and then you somehow become reliant on him to be healthy, which happens every blue moon, then when he's not healthy it's a psychological blow to the team. You then have to answer questions about his health every week, and it just makes no sense to even have him on the team. If he was an all pro player when healthy, sure, but he's just decent even when he's on the field.
Mook: I agree with you:  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/12/2015 2:53 pm : link
Let's see what the trade for Beason has cost us:

No 7th Round pick. Players available at the time we could have drafted in the order drafted are:

Jabari Price- taken with our pick and viewed as a ST player at this time.
Jeff Janis- 4th WR for Packers
Seantrel Henderson- starting RT for the Bills
Demetrius Rhaney- back-up C for the Rams
Ken Bishop- backup DT for the Cowboys. Maybe we'll see him tomorrow night.
Terrance Mitchell- starting WR for the Cowboys. For sure we'll see him tomorrow night.
Lonnie Balantine- starting Safety for the Texans

So, 3 starters and the others are backups. Of the 3 starters, one is a RT and the other a Safety, positions where we could have used help this year.

Beason was traded to play MLB. His contract is 4 years $17m and $6.03 guaranteed. Rey Maualuga was then available for a 2 year contract and $6.5M- he was recently extended for 4 years and $15M. I guess the Bengals think he's played pretty well. Also available at same time was Jasper Brinkley, who is currently on the Giants.

Finally, we let LJ walk because we wanted Beason instead.

So, a disastrous trade considering the players we could have selected with the 7th pick, terrible contract for Beason and LJ is gone. Reese hit the trifecta but in the wrong direction.





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