Dude is coming off a major knee injury from during last season.
I think he deserves a season to get back to 100%. It hasn't even been a calendar year, yet.
But he is getting older. Makes a lot of $$$, has another serious injury. If he produces at the level of a preston parker..... he would have to take a serious $$$ cut. But I am all for getting rid of guys who are hurt time and tiem again.
I'd like to see more of Harris in the slot. He can replace Cruz.
Harris might be able to play slot, but no he cannot replace Cruz.
I think people have too high expectations or Harris, he never forced his way on the field in Dallas through 4 seasons for a reason and it wasn't because Cole Beasley is so awesome.
I don't think he's declining. He's in his prime years Â
He's simply not good enough to be the only offensive player on a bad offensive team, which was the case in 2013. He was never going to replicate his breakout year, and Beckham won't either. That won't indicate decline either.
way too premature to talk about Cruz getting cut, but he makes WAY too much money for even an "above average" player. Unless he regains his magic, he will have to take a pay cut or be cut.
I really had deluded myself that they were just being overly cautious about Cruz. Hope he's back very soon as I would love to see how teams deal with having to cover him (at full stregth) and OBJ at the same time.
Not surprised about Beason. Hope they bring McClain back.
I really had deluded myself that they were just being overly cautious about Cruz. Hope he's back very soon as I would love to see how teams deal with having to cover him (at full stregth) and OBJ at the same time.
Not surprised about Beason. Hope they bring McClain back.
Over McClain. Time to move on and get younger and faster. They would not have let him go if they didn't have his replacement ready.
Spags mentioned that as a possibility but Herzlich seems better suited outside (based on what we've seen recently).
Is that true? People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
I didn't see McClain do anything that Herzlich couldn't do.
In fact, Herzlich looked better than McClain for a fraction of the price.
way too premature to talk about Cruz getting cut, but he makes WAY too much money for even an "above average" player. Unless he regains his magic, he will have to take a pay cut or be cut.
If he didn't have such a severe injury, cutting Cruz would be such a ludicrous statement. However, until he's back on the field and proving otherwise as to being alright, that statement isn't so far off at this point. I'll wait and see..I have faith he'll comeback to almost where he was, which would be a very good WR.
Starting towards the end of last season, Herzlich has looked decent defending the run outside. That's continued into the preseason. He could have a significant role against Dallas depending on the formation.
I wasn't a big fan of his game, but he did play better last year and it has continued this year. You don't want him in space covering people, but he's pretty stout against the run.
The offense will be fine if Randle can go full speed. The offense was fine last year without Cruz(or Harris and Vereen).
We just have to hope the Oline holds up.
The defense is going to struggle no matter what. I'd rather see them struggle with the younger players out there, to be honest. I don't think Beason can ever be considered a long term answer. A lot of us wanted Unga, and now we'll see what we got Sunday night.
If he tore his calf, nobody's saying. They've been very secretive about this.
Not knowing the extent of it, part of me thinks they have been holding him out until it is 100% healed so he doesnt overcompensate for it when he starts running again...
But the fact it is taking this long makes me think there is more going on...
Starting towards the end of last season, Herzlich has looked decent defending the run outside. That's continued into the preseason. He could have a significant role against Dallas depending on the formation.
Eric I totally agree. It was not a big talking point because we were out of contention, but I did notice is improvement quite a bit last season.
obvious that trading for Beason was a mistake (and again, I don't buy it was only a 7th rounder argument...see Bradshaw and maybe even Bobby Hart).
The guy hurt his knee on the play where he did nice job covering a back out of the backfield. He simply hit the ground after knocking the pass away. He's fragile as glass now.
People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
I didn't see McClain do anything that Herzlich couldn't do.
In fact, Herzlich looked better than McClain for a fraction of the price.
pj - I disagree big-time on Herz. He is just awful in space and will absolutely be targeted in the short passing game to TEs and RBs.
The only reason I think folks think he is decent against the run is that he is just so bad against the pass. His run defense is straight-ahead speed only and really struggles to the sidelines.
obvious that trading for Beason was a mistake (and again, I don't buy it was only a 7th rounder argument...see Bradshaw and maybe even Bobby Hart).
The guy hurt his knee on the play where he did nice job covering a back out of the backfield. He simply hit the ground after knocking the pass away. He's fragile as glass now.
Finally people coming around and not ridiculing me for not wanting to "even part with a 7th" round pick for him.
In addition to the Bradshaw example, it was a 7th round pick that helped the Giants move up for Landon Collins.
Also, what sometimes people don't realize is the ripple effect, you trade a 7th, and then re-sign him compounding things so now you don't plan on filling the MIKE position with anyone else because you have a starter, then he can't play and you wind up with McClain (who was NOT good last year) or Herzlich (who was better against the run, but a liability in coverage) as your MIKE because resources are limited.
I would have released Beason before I released McClain Â
or in coverage is a little misguided. He's definitely bad at that. They're not going to line him up expecting to cover RB and TEs. They spent money to bring in players specifically to do that.
It's time to see if he have a MLB for the future on this team Â
People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
I didn't see McClain do anything that Herzlich couldn't do.
In fact, Herzlich looked better than McClain for a fraction of the price.
pj - I disagree big-time on Herz. He is just awful in space and will absolutely be targeted in the short passing game to TEs and RBs.
The only reason I think folks think he is decent against the run is that he is just so bad against the pass. His run defense is straight-ahead speed only and really struggles to the sidelines.
Yes, I agree Herzlich can't cover, but McClain is just as bad. Except Herzlich is good against the run, and laid some of the best hits last year of anyone on the team. And McClain was not good against the run or the pass.
My point wasn't Herzlich is good in space, he's not, my point is no reason to keep McClain, he was worse than Herzlich and makes much more money.
or in coverage is a little misguided. He's definitely bad at that. They're not going to line him up expecting to cover RB and TEs. They spent money to bring in players specifically to do that.
But that the point TTH. You can't be "bad" at something that is a major job responsibility.
And do you really think Offenses cannot figure out ways to take advantage of someone like that, no matter where he lines up?
Fan since we issued got him. I'm starting to agree that he's just not working out anymore. He couldn't even make it through a few defensive series in the pre season..
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If he can't rebound, he'll have to take a pay cut
Dude is coming off a major knee injury from during last season.
I think he deserves a season to get back to 100%. It hasn't even been a calendar year, yet.
But he is getting older. Makes a lot of $$$, has another serious injury. If he produces at the level of a preston parker..... he would have to take a serious $$$ cut. But I am all for getting rid of guys who are hurt time and tiem again.
I'd like to see more of Harris in the slot. He can replace Cruz.
Harris might be able to play slot, but no he cannot replace Cruz.
I think people have too high expectations or Harris, he never forced his way on the field in Dallas through 4 seasons for a reason and it wasn't because Cole Beasley is so awesome.
They have Herzlich to play MLB.
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If he can't rebound, he'll have to take a pay cut
Dude is coming off a major knee injury from during last season.
I think he deserves a season to get back to 100%. It hasn't even been a calendar year, yet.
Yes , he gets this season. Not next season @ $9.9M cap hit
Not surprised about Beason. Hope they bring McClain back.
But this is the third year now he will miss games with a lower half injury. Those injuries catch up over time.
Hopefully Randle is over his knee tendinitis. He looked slow in pre-season.
Beason? Welp.
Hopefully Randle is over his knee tendinitis. He looked slow in pre-season.
Beason? Welp.
Cruz stinks?
Not surprised about Beason. Hope they bring McClain back.
Over McClain. Time to move on and get younger and faster. They would not have let him go if they didn't have his replacement ready.
Better suited to what? Whiff?
I wouldn't mind seeing Unga start in the middle with Thomas and Kennard outside.
Is that true? People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
I didn't see McClain do anything that Herzlich couldn't do.
In fact, Herzlich looked better than McClain for a fraction of the price.
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Cruz stinks, but they can still use Harris, Parker, and of course, Vereen more. I'm not overly worried.
Hopefully Randle is over his knee tendinitis. He looked slow in pre-season.
Beason? Welp.
Cruz stinks?
No, no. I had "No" in the subject line.
I am not sure if we'll see him until Week 3 or 4, actually.
If he didn't have such a severe injury, cutting Cruz would be such a ludicrous statement. However, until he's back on the field and proving otherwise as to being alright, that statement isn't so far off at this point. I'll wait and see..I have faith he'll comeback to almost where he was, which would be a very good WR.
We just have to hope the Oline holds up.
The defense is going to struggle no matter what. I'd rather see them struggle with the younger players out there, to be honest. I don't think Beason can ever be considered a long term answer. A lot of us wanted Unga, and now we'll see what we got Sunday night.
Another stellar decision.
Not knowing the extent of it, part of me thinks they have been holding him out until it is 100% healed so he doesnt overcompensate for it when he starts running again...
But the fact it is taking this long makes me think there is more going on...
We sure have done some strange things lately. I still have faith but it has been shaken a bit recently.
Eric I totally agree. It was not a big talking point because we were out of contention, but I did notice is improvement quite a bit last season.
The guy hurt his knee on the play where he did nice job covering a back out of the backfield. He simply hit the ground after knocking the pass away. He's fragile as glass now.
People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
I didn't see McClain do anything that Herzlich couldn't do.
In fact, Herzlich looked better than McClain for a fraction of the price.
pj - I disagree big-time on Herz. He is just awful in space and will absolutely be targeted in the short passing game to TEs and RBs.
The only reason I think folks think he is decent against the run is that he is just so bad against the pass. His run defense is straight-ahead speed only and really struggles to the sidelines.
The guy hurt his knee on the play where he did nice job covering a back out of the backfield. He simply hit the ground after knocking the pass away. He's fragile as glass now.
Finally people coming around and not ridiculing me for not wanting to "even part with a 7th" round pick for him.
In addition to the Bradshaw example, it was a 7th round pick that helped the Giants move up for Landon Collins.
Also, what sometimes people don't realize is the ripple effect, you trade a 7th, and then re-sign him compounding things so now you don't plan on filling the MIKE position with anyone else because you have a starter, then he can't play and you wind up with McClain (who was NOT good last year) or Herzlich (who was better against the run, but a liability in coverage) as your MIKE because resources are limited.
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People like to hate him, but Herzlich looked very good against the run last year. Keep him out of coverage, or don't let him cover Cole Beasley or Witten and it won't be an issue.
I didn't see McClain do anything that Herzlich couldn't do.
In fact, Herzlich looked better than McClain for a fraction of the price.
pj - I disagree big-time on Herz. He is just awful in space and will absolutely be targeted in the short passing game to TEs and RBs.
The only reason I think folks think he is decent against the run is that he is just so bad against the pass. His run defense is straight-ahead speed only and really struggles to the sidelines.
Yes, I agree Herzlich can't cover, but McClain is just as bad. Except Herzlich is good against the run, and laid some of the best hits last year of anyone on the team. And McClain was not good against the run or the pass.
My point wasn't Herzlich is good in space, he's not, my point is no reason to keep McClain, he was worse than Herzlich and makes much more money.
But that the point TTH. You can't be "bad" at something that is a major job responsibility.
And do you really think Offenses cannot figure out ways to take advantage of someone like that, no matter where he lines up?
Either go with Herz or Unga and suck it up..Perhaps Brinkley can see some snaps if he's at all ready