And even when he gets to the part of his life when people don't recognize him, they'll still ask him what happened to his hand and he'll have to rehash it. Fuck.
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It could be a small part that does not impact his grip any further, but it is were significant re grafting was done which is why he is not ready to play.
RE: Didn't it come out he was missing part of his middle finger too? Â
they were all over this on Sunday July 5 and said it was highly unlikely he could ever play again. Those guys have sources inside that hospital.
Actually several of us offered up that possibility/probability based solely on the description of the accident, the amputation and severe burns requiring grafts..Obviously we didn't know for sure absent more telling info, but to me, that was always a strong possibility imv
by showing up right before the season begin and hoping they would just give him that full year franchise tender. He and his camp knew it was their last contract they will ever see in the NFL.
Hiding from Barnes and Armstead should have been all the Giants needed to know what was up.
they were all over this on Sunday July 5 and said it was highly unlikely he could ever play again. Those guys have sources inside that hospital.
Actually several of us offered up that possibility/probability based solely on the description of the accident, the amputation and severe burns requiring grafts..Obviously we didn't know for sure absent more telling info, but to me, that was always a strong possibility imv
I was one of them but we can go back and revisit those threads and those early national news reports saying that those local reports were exaggerated.
You may be right but I can't imagine he is going to play this year. Skin grafs, missing index, healed broken thumb that is now not all there and surgery on his middle finger as well.
Moore is a better DE than him now and he is not getting playing time. I just don't see him coming back.
are concerned with his overall health and well being. Thats why they sent him back to recover with the doctors he has used to this point. They genuinely care about his which makes this one of the classiest organizations in all of sports. With that said, I believe they want to monitor his recovery but I personally dont think he will play again.
and Plax should be on a panel discussion for NFL rookies at the next symposium on "avoiding self-inflicted injuries that cost you tens of millions of dollars i.e., how not to be a dumb@$$
There is NOTHING to be gained by withdrawing the tender. If they do, he's a FA and can sign anywhere. If there is ANY chance JPP can be productive this year, the Giants are the ones who can reap the benefit. (I don't think he will play, but obviously I'm not a doctor).
Keeping the tender out there doesn't cost them a thing.
They already used the franchise tag and don't need the 14.8M right now either, it will just all prorate back. There is no need to release JPP right now even if they think he can play again. i'm just pretty convinced he is not going to see a dollar of that franchise contract.
Amazing things are being done with prosthetics these days. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something could be fashioned to make the hand functional for what he needs to do with it as a DE. Maybe the Giants are biding their time because they want to make sure all possibilities have been investigated. And, I doubt the doctors/technicians can even get to the stage of evaluating him for a prosthetic until the healing process is complete.
Pierre-Paul is apparently also missing the tip of his right thumb, according to reports from ESPN. The injury to the thumb is not believed to be significant or career-threatening as it's known right now.
I really feel for the guy. I take no pleasure in other people's pain even if it is self inflicted. Everyone has their less than stellar moments. The Giants have done the right thing throughout this entire situation and I doubt they rescind the franchise tag at this point. There is no need to. I don't expect JPP to go away though. He will try to come back, what other option does he have. He'll take a non guaranteed vet min deal to go to someone's camp. Perhaps even the Giants. Do I think he is on a roster next year though...no I don't.
Pierre-Paul is apparently also missing the tip of his right thumb, according to reports from ESPN. The injury to the thumb is not believed to be significant or career-threatening as it's known right now.
By itself, probably not. In combination with the missing digit, who knows.
I'm actually being serious. He was playing some at DT before especially when he was heavier. Obviously tackling seems so far fetched at this point but who knows. It just seems playing with your hand fully wrapped would be easier at DT than DE but again I'm am completely speculating.
but if the giants rescind the franchise tag they get no compensatory pick. and does a player need to sign with another team to get a compensatory pick?
but if the giants rescind the franchise tag they get no compensatory pick. and does a player need to sign with another team to get a compensatory pick?
they would still get some type of compensatory pick if he signs with someone I believe, just not two first round tenders with the franchise tag which was never happening to begin with. But no one is going to sign him...
I don't know how I'd be able to look at myself in the mirror.
Sure we we weren't offering him JJ Watt money. And the open market would of definitely yielded him more. But he had a 60 million dollar offer to play football. His great great great grandchildren would be set for life.
What couldn't he do with 60 million that JJ Watt can do?
Had JPP played QB the other night, he wouldn't have been able to throw a pass and this the clock would have run down..
Something else to consider that makes me sad. I think JPP with on hand could have played a lot better than Jenkins. And he probably could have caught at least 1 of the 3 passes that Parker missed.
but if this is true, fuck it - just cut him loose. At least we'll have a lot of cash to work with over the offseason.
Who are you going to spend the money on at this point?
Giants will carry his $14.8m cap hit this year, and whatever they dont pay him this season (starting to look more like the entire amount) will be added to next year's regular cap.
Works out great for the Giants... cap wise of course, on the field its a totally different issue.
Had JPP played QB the other night, he wouldn't have been able to throw a pass and this the clock would have run down..
Something else to consider that makes me sad. I think JPP with on hand could have played a lot better than Jenkins. And he probably could have caught at least 1 of the 3 passes that Parker missed.
He certainly could have applied more pressure than Jenkins, who has no business playing end in a 4-3.
Had JPP played QB the other night, he wouldn't have been able to throw a pass and this the clock would have run down..
Something else to consider that makes me sad. I think JPP with on hand could have played a lot better than Jenkins. And he probably could have caught at least 1 of the 3 passes that Parker missed.
I wouldn't say it's "life destroying". He's made a lot of money and I assume is in otherwise good health. Having said that, I do feel bad for him. It's a massive waste through stupidity.
There is no reason for the Giants to do anything, he's not costing them a penny. Let it play out.
until there's a reason for them to do that. Right now there's no reason and there may never be a reason. They'll just let it play out and if they don't spend any of the money on JPP this year they'll have it to spend next year. On him or someone else.
Since he lost weight already, when his hand heals where he can play somewhat, put him at outside linebacker and let him cover the big tight ends in football.
Every time I read anything about JPP that is all I hear in my head. His stupid ass proclaiming that he has a U-Haul of fireworks. Fucking moron. Literally blew up millions of dollars. Just glad he put his kid down before he lit the fuse.
reports keep getting worse and worse. I feel bad from him, stupid decision aside. I'd still like to know what exactly happened though. Was the firework a short wick or early discharge or was he holding it like an idiot too long? I don't think anything has come up on that front yet.
more and more info is coming out and its bad every time Â
Amazing things are being done with prosthetics these days. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something could be fashioned to make the hand functional for what he needs to do with it as a DE. Maybe the Giants are biding their time because they want to make sure all possibilities have been investigated. And, I doubt the doctors/technicians can even get to the stage of evaluating him for a prosthetic until the healing process is complete.
Excellent point. Who knows. It maybe possible to replace the functionality of a normal hand by creating a custom prosthetic device on a 3D printer. NFL approved
of course. Link - ( New Window )
a young careless kid who thought he was bullet proof just trying to have fun and not realizing the risk. Cost himself lottery money and changed his quality of life for the worse too.
this does not surprise me, there was reason why he was in seclusion and sent home ... expect more bad injury recovery news about Will Beatty over the next several weeks, from a very reliable source ...
things have happened to prominent players on this team the past 5 years? It's really somewhat unfathomable. Phillips, Thomas, Smith, Wilson, JPP. All high picks, all suffering injuries that derailed young careers.
things have happened to prominent players on this team the past 5 years? It's really somewhat unfathomable. Phillips, Thomas, Smith, Wilson, JPP. All high picks, all suffering injuries that derailed young careers.
Giants have told Pierre-Paul that they will re-evaluate his physical condition in five-six weeks. ESPN says that if his hand is not “healed to their satisfaction,” the Giants will consider rescinding the Franchise tender.
things have happened to prominent players on this team the past 5 years? It's really somewhat unfathomable. Phillips, Thomas, Smith, Wilson, JPP. All high picks, all suffering injuries that derailed young careers.
Don't forget 3rd round pick Chad Jones, who destroyed his leg right after we drafted him.
things have happened to prominent players on this team the past 5 years? It's really somewhat unfathomable. Phillips, Thomas, Smith, Wilson, JPP. All high picks, all suffering injuries that derailed young careers.
It's one of the reasons I've given Jerry Reese a pass. The craziest thing is you left out a bunch of other guys of varying skill/experience... Chad Jones, Jon Goff, Jake Ballard, and more.
posting pictures of $100 bills on his table making paper airplanes. I wanted the Giants to trade him and this was prior to the 4th of July. All that money? Hire somebody to blow off the fire works!
I'm sorry, I don't feel to bad for JPP. He has not been making good decisions for a while now.
Amazing things are being done with prosthetics these days. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something could be fashioned to make the hand functional for what he needs to do with it as a DE. Maybe the Giants are biding their time because they want to make sure all possibilities have been investigated. And, I doubt the doctors/technicians can even get to the stage of evaluating him for a prosthetic until the healing process is complete.
Excellent point. Who knows. It maybe possible to replace the functionality of a normal hand by creating a custom prosthetic device on a 3D printer. NFL approved
of course. Link - ( New Window )
As an amputee, I can speak to this. The problem is the joint. If he can't control the joint it won't matter what kind of prosthetic device they come up with. That is why a below the knee amputee has a much easier time and is usually able to do more than an above the knee amputee because they still have the knee joint.
Giants had a lot of injuries that occurred in non game circumstances. Yeah, Chad Jones' accident on the same night you get drafted is still mind blowing insane for me.
Amazing things are being done with prosthetics these days. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something could be fashioned to make the hand functional for what he needs to do with it as a DE. Maybe the Giants are biding their time because they want to make sure all possibilities have been investigated. And, I doubt the doctors/technicians can even get to the stage of evaluating him for a prosthetic until the healing process is complete.
Excellent point. Who knows. It maybe possible to replace the functionality of a normal hand by creating a custom prosthetic device on a 3D printer. NFL approved
of course. Link - ( New Window )
Very cool link. Looking at that confirms my opinion that it's way premature to determine his playing career to be over.
I did not like the advice he got from his agent through this. But maybe none of that really matters at this point. Not be able to grip a jersey seems to make his potential effectiveness pretty damn low. Time will tell.
Hard to imagine that he is a franchise player going forward.
and want to do the right thing by JPP. They saw the hand and have a decent idea regarding the extent of the damage. Right now they probably want to give him a chance to show that he can play again, not just for their benefit but his also. It costs them nothing at this point to give him time. He's not coming back this year. The damage is too extensive and he needs both physical and occupational therapy to adjust to life as an amputee. There is a long road to hoe here.
his nerve endings for that index finger are still active. His brain and nervous system thinks the finger is still there. So when he goes to grab something he is going have to control those impulses to do things the way he has in the past. He has to not only learn to grasp things differently but train himself to think differently as well.
RE: RE: I love JPP and have been vocal about my belief in his return Â
but if this is true, fuck it - just cut him loose. At least we'll have a lot of cash to work with over the offseason.
Who are you going to spend the money on at this point?
Giants will carry his $14.8m cap hit this year, and whatever they dont pay him this season (starting to look more like the entire amount) will be added to next year's regular cap.
Works out great for the Giants... cap wise of course, on the field its a totally different issue.
If it were me...I would have taken a flyer at Aldon Smith...who just signed a one year icentive based prove it contract with Oakland...absolutely ridiculous that Giants didn't bother doing something similar which cost Oakland nothing...Smith can make as much as $8,000,000...but he must be on the field....playing in games weekly at a very high level...absolutely pissed we missed out...reminds me of the Lael Collins blunder...a team with below average talent can't miss out on easy opportunities like this!!!
The reality is they are going to rescind the tag when he can't go in 6 weeks. Dude had so much potential, bow he's gonna have to learn to lay tile with only 8 and half fingers.
What exactly do the Giants think is gonna change in six weeks? Â
Even if he magically heals during that time, it'll take several more weeks to work his way into football shape. He has played his last game as a Giant. Why not just eliminate this distraction? With the way JPP stonewalled the organization, the Giants owe him nothing at this point.
RE: Giants have seen his hand and haven't cut him loose Â
Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
What's next? Reese get caught sleeping with Mara's wife?
How about OBJ with one of JM's daughters? Kate and Rooney get all the press, but John's girls might be more Beckham's type. Hell, it would make better video viewing than the last two minutes of any Giants-Cowboys game since 2011.
RE: The Giants are an honorable organization..... Â
and want to do the right thing by JPP. They saw the hand and have a decent idea regarding the extent of the damage. Right now they probably want to give him a chance to show that he can play again, not just for their benefit but his also. It costs them nothing at this point to give him time. He's not coming back this year. The damage is too extensive and he needs both physical and occupational therapy to adjust to life as an amputee. There is a long road to hoe here.
No doubt the classiest organization in the NFL...Lot of these guys don't really understand and appreciate how lucky they are to be drafted/picked by the Giants and be part of such a first rate organization...Kudos to John Mara and Steve Tishe and their families...
Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
Do the Giants cover his healthcare/rehab costs even if he hasn't signed the tender? Could be an unreported reason they haven't pulled the offer.
and, while it's looking more and more grim all the while, I would not write him off for future years. I never really thought he was all that as a DE, so diminished capacity makes me think he'll be less effective, but he was still a pretty good DE.
With a year of healing, if he has any kind of hand function at all, he still may have a NFL career. It's going to be a lot lower paying than it would have been prior to July 4th. It may also force him to learn technique more. Overall, it'd be stupid to say this might make him a better player, but if he dedicates himself to compensate and if the hand is structurally sound enough, he could still have a decent career.
ultimately, the Giants have nothing to lose by keeping in touch and waiting it out. What's the worst that can happen? they decide down the road they don't want him any more. Doesn't cost them a dime. Doesn't do him any disservice. If late in the season, he thinks he can return, they can always decide the possible future isn't worth whatever it would cost them to keep him for this year.
IF there's any sort of relationship (and hand) left at all, it wouldn't surprise me to see him back in blue at a low cost next year.
He probably screwed himself out of a million or two or three (assuming he's currently going to get nada). I'm guessing the rehab had a few setbacks, and he really thought he'd be back on the field sooner. but, if he had initially played nice with the Giants, they probably would have given him a few mil to be on NFI with the hope of maybe being available second half/third quarter of the year. But he held out hope that he could get half or more of the 14 mil franchise tag. Giants won't cough up ka ching, and he won't accept better than nothing coinage.
RE: Why haven't the Giants rescinded the tag?-Jcn56 Â
Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
RE: RE: RE: I love JPP and have been vocal about my belief in his return Â
but if this is true, fuck it - just cut him loose. At least we'll have a lot of cash to work with over the offseason.
Who are you going to spend the money on at this point?
Giants will carry his $14.8m cap hit this year, and whatever they dont pay him this season (starting to look more like the entire amount) will be added to next year's regular cap.
Works out great for the Giants... cap wise of course, on the field its a totally different issue.
If it were me...I would have taken a flyer at Aldon Smith...who just signed a one year icentive based prove it contract with Oakland...absolutely ridiculous that Giants didn't bother doing something similar which cost Oakland nothing...Smith can make as much as $8,000,000...but he must be on the field....playing in games weekly at a very high level...absolutely pissed we missed out...reminds me of the Lael Collins blunder...a team with below average talent can't miss out on easy opportunities like this!!!
Oh shuttup
RE: RE: Why haven't the Giants rescinded the tag? Â
Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
Do the Giants cover his healthcare/rehab costs even if he hasn't signed the tender? Could be an unreported reason they haven't pulled the offer.
Don't know how, since he's not technically an employee of the team right now - he's not under contract.
Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
Thats true, or we could rescind the tag and get it all back at once (what hasn't already been added back that is)
RE: RE: Why haven't the Giants rescinded the tag?-Jcn56 Â
Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
That's kind of correct. Right now he has a cap "hold" so he doesn't cost actual $$$ but the Giants can't spend that money either (not that there's anyone to spend it on). Each week he misses, the Giants get a pro-rated portion of his cap "hold" back and any unused cap money can be carried over to next season.
So, let's say the current offer is $16M (it's really like $14.8M but $16M makes the math easier). If JPP is able to return for the final 8 games and signs the current offer, then the Giants will "get back" $8M in cap space and JPP will make $8M over those final 8 games.
is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
second half the season was always the target. JPP obviously would prefer to add a couple weeks to that, but even without any info leaking, the most optimistic articles were talking mid season (you can stretch it to early mid season, but it was always mid season at best).
mid to late season is still on the table, although I wouldn't plan on anything this year. I'm guessing the rehab setbacks make it doubtful for anything before 3rd quarter, and that's just a guess. It'd be just as easy to guess not any time this year.
IF Giants are leaking that they might have hope for later in the year, that's obviously better than the doom and gloom crowd.
The question becomes how much do the Giants offer for an out of shape, still rehabbing, doesn't know the system JPP. I doubt they'll go to 900K a game unless they have some assurance from JPP that they're front runners for resigning next year, or unless he shows any sign of being useful this year.
Serious question...have his calf muscles atrophied
FranknWeezer : 7/31/2015 3:21 pm : link
or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
say he is ready week 10, and this team is sitting at 3-6? Worth it to activate him and see what he has left or do you just bag the money and use it in FA next year. Tough decision, I'd imagine they would play him.
Serious question...have his calf muscles atrophied
FranknWeezer : 7/31/2015 3:21 pm : link
or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
7-31-15 BBI Thread on first pics of JPP post-injury - ( New Window )
Could have been the bandage and the angle..Sometimes bandages envelop the entire hand, similar to fingerless mittens
RE: RE: RE: Why haven't the Giants rescinded the tag?-Jcn56 Â
Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
That's kind of correct. Right now he has a cap "hold" so he doesn't cost actual $$$ but the Giants can't spend that money either (not that there's anyone to spend it on). Each week he misses, the Giants get a pro-rated portion of his cap "hold" back and any unused cap money can be carried over to next season.
So, let's say the current offer is $16M (it's really like $14.8M but $16M makes the math easier). If JPP is able to return for the final 8 games and signs the current offer, then the Giants will "get back" $8M in cap space and JPP will make $8M over those final 8 games.
Serious question...have his calf muscles atrophied
FranknWeezer : 7/31/2015 3:21 pm : link
or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
7-31-15 BBI Thread on first pics of JPP post-injury - ( New Window )
Haha, yeah blast those that didn't want to believe that under that massive cast that other fingers were blown off too which went against what was reported. Wouldn't you be the resident physician as well making that assumption based on something you can't even see?
I fully own thinking he'd play sooner rather than later, but that was when it was just the finger and broken thumb. This new news is obviously a game changer.
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
when the 2015 season is over mail him a nice parting gift thanking him for his contributions and let's just all move on. I said it before and I'll say it again, the sooner everyone associated with the NY Giants organization and its fans can stop fielding questions and referring to the initials JPP the better.
it seems highly unlikely he can play at top level as a defensive end.
I think those that speculated about his ability to be a defensive tackle might be on to something.
When JPP bulked up to 285?, he was very powerful, but lost quickness as a DE. Is it possible that he could regain much / most of his power, still have the quickness in his legs and become at least an average DT?
Maybe some of the BBI coaches can chime in on the "hand checking" that goes on as a DT versus a DE.
is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
Awesome. They want to give him a little more time for his appendages to grow back. Rest up JPP.
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
Let's make a note that when people blame Reese for the state of the team via drafts, that some of the circumstances had nothing to do with drafting the correct player.
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
Excellent summation..I will use this some time in the future..:)
Serious question...have his calf muscles atrophied
FranknWeezer : 7/31/2015 3:21 pm : link
or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
7-31-15 BBI Thread on first pics of JPP post-injury - ( New Window )
His left hand looks banged up in this picture as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
You really should add Tuck, Snee and Diehl to the list. Both of them aged out way before they should have.
Btw - if it's true that each week JPP misses we get that amount back under the cap next year, why bother rescinding the offer at any point this season? Store it all up for next season.
Btw - if it's true that each week JPP misses we get that amount back under the cap next year, why bother rescinding the offer at any point this season? Store it all up for next season.
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
You really should add Tuck, Snee and Diehl to the list. Both of them aged out way before they should have.
Tuck aged due to a Flozell "cocksucking cheapshot" Adams tripping him twice. never was the same after those
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
Wow! That list just sucks! It's just unbelievable to me how massive injuries derailed all these young talented players careers.
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
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I'm sure someone with technical capabilities will grab a frame from the JPP video and zoom in on the R hand. Not it.
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No bandage on R hand. No clear image of R hand but it does seem misshapen. 3-point stance with L hand on the ground.
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Video is from a distance. If you can make out how many fingers he has, you've got better eyesight than me.
is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
Eff it, I'll explicitly say it. I don't think you have any info. Ego is a tough thing to part with though.
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
and a number of those guys were at a very high level if not Pro Bwol when healthy- S. Smith, TT, KP, Nicks, JPP etc...
is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
I don't think I have ever seen Jon post something on here that was not shown to be correct with regards to inside info.
but be honest:
sintim was widely criticized long before he was injured.
Chad was obviously hoped for, and never had a chance, but we've missed so much, you can't count him as one that got away.
I think people tend to count as stars cut short people like Alford who flashed, but were hardly established. I count Wilson in this category, too.
The likes of Steve Smith, TT, Phillips,Nicks, are legitimate. but people tend to count a lot of folk who aren't known to be one thing or another as being stars who were shot down by injury.
The point about it is you had potential players in Alford and Sintim who were 2nd and 3rdxpicks. Yes Sintim was a bad system fit. Fact is he blew out his knee twice in 4 years. Alford was so bad he basically could not play at all. Jones never saw the field for 1 down
NFL teams do not go through this, players come back all the time
Wilson would be tremendous in the offense. Speed worries defenses and he had it. We're these guys stars, no, but the fact they could not get through their 1st contract is staggering
The point about it is you had potential players in Alford and Sintim who were 2nd and 3rdxpicks. Yes Sintim was a bad system fit. Fact is he blew out his knee twice in 4 years. Alford was so bad he basically could not play at all. Jones never saw the field for 1 down
NFL teams do not go through this, players come back all the time
Wilson would be tremendous in the offense. Speed worries defenses and he had it. We're these guys stars, no, but the fact they could not get through their 1st contract is staggering
Was that the Alford who had the single biggest hit on Brady in SB42? Alford could defintiely play and he was playing more as 2007 progressed. He blew out his knee the following year.
is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
Eff it, I'll explicitly say it. I don't think you have any info. Ego is a tough thing to part with though.
I vet info through Eric, and you're just going to have to live with that or not.
I don't have time or interest in posting anything other than what's been shared with me. I find a lot of disingenuous behavior and posters on this board, and I won't be a part of it.
I don't have time or interest in posting anything other than what's been shared with me. I find a lot of disingenuous behavior and posters on this board, and I won't be a part of it.
JonC, ignore those posters there are alot of posters like myself who genuinely appreciate any information you provide.
if there's one person on this site you should pay attention to, it's JonC. I don't always agree with his analysis (even though I think he knows far more than I about football), and sometimes you have to decipher whether he's hinting at something he can't outright say, whether he's just offering an opinion (which is colored by his info, so still worthwhile), or whether he's outright saying something, but I believe he's been vetted and has some plug in. doesn't mean that everything is going to come true (things change) or that he's a deep mole inside Giants, Inc, but no doubt in my mind that he hears things. If you don't believe that he knows anything, keep quiet and have a grain of salt.
I hope he's saved his money.
I hope he's saved his money.
Missing part of another finger came out when they looked at his hand. Nobody said it was part of the thumb though. This is big news.
I hope he's saved his money.
All I read was that a part of another finger was gone. They never indicated which finger. At least the reports I read didn't.
Actually several of us offered up that possibility/probability based solely on the description of the accident, the amputation and severe burns requiring grafts..Obviously we didn't know for sure absent more telling info, but to me, that was always a strong possibility imv
Hiding from Barnes and Armstead should have been all the Giants needed to know what was up.
What's next? Reese get caught sleeping with Mara's wife?
There may be business and other considerations we don't know about at this point
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they were all over this on Sunday July 5 and said it was highly unlikely he could ever play again. Those guys have sources inside that hospital.
Actually several of us offered up that possibility/probability based solely on the description of the accident, the amputation and severe burns requiring grafts..Obviously we didn't know for sure absent more telling info, but to me, that was always a strong possibility imv
I was one of them but we can go back and revisit those threads and those early national news reports saying that those local reports were exaggerated.
You're just dismembering
What's next? Reese get caught sleeping with Mara's wife?
Eli resigns from the NFL to become Donald Trump's running mate.
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misremembering?"
You're just dismembering
I see what you did there
Moore is a better DE than him now and he is not getting playing time. I just don't see him coming back.
wouldn't bottom of thumb also eliminate the top as well? JK!
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or the bottom of his thumb?
wouldn't bottom of thumb also eliminate the top as well? JK!
LMAO, Good one mick
Keeping the tender out there doesn't cost them a thing.
They already used the franchise tag and don't need the 14.8M right now either, it will just all prorate back. There is no need to release JPP right now even if they think he can play again. i'm just pretty convinced he is not going to see a dollar of that franchise contract.
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Pierre-Paul is apparently also missing the tip of his right thumb, according to reports from ESPN. The injury to the thumb is not believed to be significant or career-threatening as it's known right now.
life destroying... hoping for a miracle
I do think even at this point, he's a better receiver that Parker
Pierre-Paul is apparently also missing the tip of his right thumb, according to reports from ESPN. The injury to the thumb is not believed to be significant or career-threatening as it's known right now.
By itself, probably not. In combination with the missing digit, who knows.
I'm actually being serious. He was playing some at DT before especially when he was heavier. Obviously tackling seems so far fetched at this point but who knows. It just seems playing with your hand fully wrapped would be easier at DT than DE but again I'm am completely speculating.
they would still get some type of compensatory pick if he signs with someone I believe, just not two first round tenders with the franchise tag which was never happening to begin with. But no one is going to sign him...
Sure we we weren't offering him JJ Watt money. And the open market would of definitely yielded him more. But he had a 60 million dollar offer to play football. His great great great grandchildren would be set for life.
What couldn't he do with 60 million that JJ Watt can do?
sigh. lol
DRC often doesn't even do that. Just gets out of the way.
Not if he fumbled because he couldn't grip the ball.
Something else to consider that makes me sad. I think JPP with on hand could have played a lot better than Jenkins. And he probably could have caught at least 1 of the 3 passes that Parker missed.
You'd better be able to grab a QB like Tony Romo.
Who are you going to spend the money on at this point?
Giants will carry his $14.8m cap hit this year, and whatever they dont pay him this season (starting to look more like the entire amount) will be added to next year's regular cap.
Works out great for the Giants... cap wise of course, on the field its a totally different issue.
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Had JPP played QB the other night, he wouldn't have been able to throw a pass and this the clock would have run down..
Something else to consider that makes me sad. I think JPP with on hand could have played a lot better than Jenkins. And he probably could have caught at least 1 of the 3 passes that Parker missed.
He certainly could have applied more pressure than Jenkins, who has no business playing end in a 4-3.
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Had JPP played QB the other night, he wouldn't have been able to throw a pass and this the clock would have run down..
Not if he fumbled because he couldn't grip the ball.
I know for a fact that Richburg would have fallen on it
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Had JPP played QB the other night, he wouldn't have been able to throw a pass and this the clock would have run down..
Something else to consider that makes me sad. I think JPP with on hand could have played a lot better than Jenkins. And he probably could have caught at least 1 of the 3 passes that Parker missed.
You could be on target here..
There is no reason for the Giants to do anything, he's not costing them a penny. Let it play out.
Okay, I deserve the beatings.
Excellent point. Who knows. It maybe possible to replace the functionality of a normal hand by creating a custom prosthetic device on a 3D printer. NFL approved
of course.
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Nicks, too. Definitely not normal.
Don't forget 3rd round pick Chad Jones, who destroyed his leg right after we drafted him.
It's one of the reasons I've given Jerry Reese a pass. The craziest thing is you left out a bunch of other guys of varying skill/experience... Chad Jones, Jon Goff, Jake Ballard, and more.
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I'm sorry, I don't feel to bad for JPP. He has not been making good decisions for a while now.
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Amazing things are being done with prosthetics these days. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something could be fashioned to make the hand functional for what he needs to do with it as a DE. Maybe the Giants are biding their time because they want to make sure all possibilities have been investigated. And, I doubt the doctors/technicians can even get to the stage of evaluating him for a prosthetic until the healing process is complete.
Excellent point. Who knows. It maybe possible to replace the functionality of a normal hand by creating a custom prosthetic device on a 3D printer. NFL approved
of course. Link - ( New Window )
As an amputee, I can speak to this. The problem is the joint. If he can't control the joint it won't matter what kind of prosthetic device they come up with. That is why a below the knee amputee has a much easier time and is usually able to do more than an above the knee amputee because they still have the knee joint.
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Amazing things are being done with prosthetics these days. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something could be fashioned to make the hand functional for what he needs to do with it as a DE. Maybe the Giants are biding their time because they want to make sure all possibilities have been investigated. And, I doubt the doctors/technicians can even get to the stage of evaluating him for a prosthetic until the healing process is complete.
Excellent point. Who knows. It maybe possible to replace the functionality of a normal hand by creating a custom prosthetic device on a 3D printer. NFL approved
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Very cool link. Looking at that confirms my opinion that it's way premature to determine his playing career to be over.
Hard to imagine that he is a franchise player going forward.
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but if this is true, fuck it - just cut him loose. At least we'll have a lot of cash to work with over the offseason.
Who are you going to spend the money on at this point?
Giants will carry his $14.8m cap hit this year, and whatever they dont pay him this season (starting to look more like the entire amount) will be added to next year's regular cap.
Works out great for the Giants... cap wise of course, on the field its a totally different issue.
If it were me...I would have taken a flyer at Aldon Smith...who just signed a one year icentive based prove it contract with Oakland...absolutely ridiculous that Giants didn't bother doing something similar which cost Oakland nothing...Smith can make as much as $8,000,000...but he must be on the field....playing in games weekly at a very high level...absolutely pissed we missed out...reminds me of the Lael Collins blunder...a team with below average talent can't miss out on easy opportunities like this!!!
I'm of the same belief, but I do believe that he will not be wearing a Giants Jersey this year!
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
What's next? Reese get caught sleeping with Mara's wife?
How about OBJ with one of JM's daughters? Kate and Rooney get all the press, but John's girls might be more Beckham's type. Hell, it would make better video viewing than the last two minutes of any Giants-Cowboys game since 2011.
No doubt the classiest organization in the NFL...Lot of these guys don't really understand and appreciate how lucky they are to be drafted/picked by the Giants and be part of such a first rate organization...Kudos to John Mara and Steve Tishe and their families...
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
Do the Giants cover his healthcare/rehab costs even if he hasn't signed the tender? Could be an unreported reason they haven't pulled the offer.
With a year of healing, if he has any kind of hand function at all, he still may have a NFL career. It's going to be a lot lower paying than it would have been prior to July 4th. It may also force him to learn technique more. Overall, it'd be stupid to say this might make him a better player, but if he dedicates himself to compensate and if the hand is structurally sound enough, he could still have a decent career.
ultimately, the Giants have nothing to lose by keeping in touch and waiting it out. What's the worst that can happen? they decide down the road they don't want him any more. Doesn't cost them a dime. Doesn't do him any disservice. If late in the season, he thinks he can return, they can always decide the possible future isn't worth whatever it would cost them to keep him for this year.
IF there's any sort of relationship (and hand) left at all, it wouldn't surprise me to see him back in blue at a low cost next year.
He probably screwed himself out of a million or two or three (assuming he's currently going to get nada). I'm guessing the rehab had a few setbacks, and he really thought he'd be back on the field sooner. but, if he had initially played nice with the Giants, they probably would have given him a few mil to be on NFI with the hope of maybe being available second half/third quarter of the year. But he held out hope that he could get half or more of the 14 mil franchise tag. Giants won't cough up ka ching, and he won't accept better than nothing coinage.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
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but if this is true, fuck it - just cut him loose. At least we'll have a lot of cash to work with over the offseason.
Who are you going to spend the money on at this point?
Giants will carry his $14.8m cap hit this year, and whatever they dont pay him this season (starting to look more like the entire amount) will be added to next year's regular cap.
Works out great for the Giants... cap wise of course, on the field its a totally different issue.
If it were me...I would have taken a flyer at Aldon Smith...who just signed a one year icentive based prove it contract with Oakland...absolutely ridiculous that Giants didn't bother doing something similar which cost Oakland nothing...Smith can make as much as $8,000,000...but he must be on the field....playing in games weekly at a very high level...absolutely pissed we missed out...reminds me of the Lael Collins blunder...a team with below average talent can't miss out on easy opportunities like this!!!
Oh shuttup
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Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
Do the Giants cover his healthcare/rehab costs even if he hasn't signed the tender? Could be an unreported reason they haven't pulled the offer.
Don't know how, since he's not technically an employee of the team right now - he's not under contract.
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Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
Thats true, or we could rescind the tag and get it all back at once (what hasn't already been added back that is)
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Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
That's kind of correct. Right now he has a cap "hold" so he doesn't cost actual $$$ but the Giants can't spend that money either (not that there's anyone to spend it on). Each week he misses, the Giants get a pro-rated portion of his cap "hold" back and any unused cap money can be carried over to next season.
So, let's say the current offer is $16M (it's really like $14.8M but $16M makes the math easier). If JPP is able to return for the final 8 games and signs the current offer, then the Giants will "get back" $8M in cap space and JPP will make $8M over those final 8 games.
Everyone loses here. Lousy
Hope he can recover physically and mentally
Everyone loses here. Lousy
Hope he can recover physically and mentally
Well, from July 4th on, they've had their group unilaterally put out things..Now, it's our turn..All's fair in love and war
mid to late season is still on the table, although I wouldn't plan on anything this year. I'm guessing the rehab setbacks make it doubtful for anything before 3rd quarter, and that's just a guess. It'd be just as easy to guess not any time this year.
IF Giants are leaking that they might have hope for later in the year, that's obviously better than the doom and gloom crowd.
The question becomes how much do the Giants offer for an out of shape, still rehabbing, doesn't know the system JPP. I doubt they'll go to 900K a game unless they have some assurance from JPP that they're front runners for resigning next year, or unless he shows any sign of being useful this year.
Laying the groundwork if they do decide to cut bait. Interesting.
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or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
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Serious question...have his calf muscles atrophied
FranknWeezer : 7/31/2015 3:21 pm : link
or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
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Could have been the bandage and the angle..Sometimes bandages envelop the entire hand, similar to fingerless mittens
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Because he's costing us zero - zip - zilch - NOTHING. Not a red cent. There's no cap cost, there's no roster spot. About the only thing taking the tag away does is free up cap space, which we don't need at the moment.
That's why the Giants haven't rescinded it - has nothing to do with what they think he might do this year.
I thought I read here, that each week we get a portion of what his salary would've been refunded to our cap.So the longer he is out the more money we have cap wise if we have to "GOD FORBID" replace another injured player. Am I having a brain fart or is that true?????
That's kind of correct. Right now he has a cap "hold" so he doesn't cost actual $$$ but the Giants can't spend that money either (not that there's anyone to spend it on). Each week he misses, the Giants get a pro-rated portion of his cap "hold" back and any unused cap money can be carried over to next season.
So, let's say the current offer is $16M (it's really like $14.8M but $16M makes the math easier). If JPP is able to return for the final 8 games and signs the current offer, then the Giants will "get back" $8M in cap space and JPP will make $8M over those final 8 games.
Thanks for the clarification!!!
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Serious question...have his calf muscles atrophied
FranknWeezer : 7/31/2015 3:21 pm : link
or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
7-31-15 BBI Thread on first pics of JPP post-injury - ( New Window )
Haha, yeah blast those that didn't want to believe that under that massive cast that other fingers were blown off too which went against what was reported. Wouldn't you be the resident physician as well making that assumption based on something you can't even see?
I fully own thinking he'd play sooner rather than later, but that was when it was just the finger and broken thumb. This new news is obviously a game changer.
I'm sure he'd give anything to get a replay of that whole day.
I hope he can recover enough to continue his occupation for more years and hopefully get the best prosthetics and rehab money can buy.
Good luck and speedy recovery to you, JPP.
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
I think those that speculated about his ability to be a defensive tackle might be on to something.
When JPP bulked up to 285?, he was very powerful, but lost quickness as a DE. Is it possible that he could regain much / most of his power, still have the quickness in his legs and become at least an average DT?
Maybe some of the BBI coaches can chime in on the "hand checking" that goes on as a DT versus a DE.
I'm sure he'd give anything to get a replay of that whole day.
I hope he can recover enough to continue his occupation for more years and hopefully get the best prosthetics and rehab money can buy.
Good luck and speedy recovery to you, JPP.
Agreed. Best wishes to him no matter what happens.
Awesome. They want to give him a little more time for his appendages to grow back. Rest up JPP.
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
Excellent summation..I will use this some time in the future..:)
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Serious question...have his calf muscles atrophied
FranknWeezer : 7/31/2015 3:21 pm : link
or were his legs always that lean?
Also, I may be really jumping to conclusions, but that doesn't look like a full thumb.
Well, at least I was the first one to speculate he'd lost at least part of his thumb. The BBI resident physicians heavily panned anyone who speculated as much from the below pic.
7-31-15 BBI Thread on first pics of JPP post-injury - ( New Window )
His left hand looks banged up in this picture as well
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
You really should add Tuck, Snee and Diehl to the list. Both of them aged out way before they should have.
Apt handle for this thread
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Now we can update this list
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
You really should add Tuck, Snee and Diehl to the list. Both of them aged out way before they should have.
Tuck aged due to a Flozell "cocksucking cheapshot" Adams tripping him twice. never was the same after those
Our friendship is over...:)
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
Wow! That list just sucks! It's just unbelievable to me how massive injuries derailed all these young talented players careers.
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
It is ridiculous. It is also why winning in 07 & 11 is worth some 6-10, 7-9 seasons
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I'm sure someone with technical capabilities will grab a frame from the JPP video and zoom in on the R hand. Not it.
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No bandage on R hand. No clear image of R hand but it does seem misshapen. 3-point stance with L hand on the ground.
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Video is from a distance. If you can make out how many fingers he has, you've got better eyesight than me.
Well, he officially has two hands...
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Looks like JPP is pulling 270 pounds on that sled. Not Herculean, not awful.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
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is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
Eff it, I'll explicitly say it. I don't think you have any info. Ego is a tough thing to part with though.
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Now we can update this list
S. Smith - 2nd rd pick - pro bowl - Done at 25
K. Phillips - 1st rd pick - done at 25
T. Thomas - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
H. Nicks - 1st rd pick - done at 25
C. Sintim - 2nd rd pick - done at 24
C. Jones - 3rd rd pick - done at 20
D. Wilson - 1st rd pick - done at 22
JPP - 1st rd pick - done at 25
Factor in Goff, Alford, Brown as well
People want to know why There are some issues - none of them made it to a second contract. You could not make this up if you tried
There is not another team that is in the same realm when it comes to injuries like this. Has their been another WR likes Nicks, top 10, that got injured and could not make it back
and a number of those guys were at a very high level if not Pro Bwol when healthy- S. Smith, TT, KP, Nicks, JPP etc...
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is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
I don't think I have ever seen Jon post something on here that was not shown to be correct with regards to inside info.
sintim was widely criticized long before he was injured.
Chad was obviously hoped for, and never had a chance, but we've missed so much, you can't count him as one that got away.
I think people tend to count as stars cut short people like Alford who flashed, but were hardly established. I count Wilson in this category, too.
The likes of Steve Smith, TT, Phillips,Nicks, are legitimate. but people tend to count a lot of folk who aren't known to be one thing or another as being stars who were shot down by injury.
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...Stole that one
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Lol!
NFL teams do not go through this, players come back all the time
Wilson would be tremendous in the offense. Speed worries defenses and he had it. We're these guys stars, no, but the fact they could not get through their 1st contract is staggering
NFL teams do not go through this, players come back all the time
Wilson would be tremendous in the offense. Speed worries defenses and he had it. We're these guys stars, no, but the fact they could not get through their 1st contract is staggering
Was that the Alford who had the single biggest hit on Brady in SB42? Alford could defintiely play and he was playing more as 2007 progressed. He blew out his knee the following year.
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is there is some belief within the org, a best-case scenario he might be able to play the second half of this season. Re-examine in six weeks (from last week), and go from there.
I would genuinely like to know how reliable your source is. I'm not explicitly saying that I don't believe you, but...
Eff it, I'll explicitly say it. I don't think you have any info. Ego is a tough thing to part with though.
I vet info through Eric, and you're just going to have to live with that or not.
JonC, ignore those posters there are alot of posters like myself who genuinely appreciate any information you provide.