Eli's big contract? That money has to be accounted for somewhere.
See my post in the Eli contract details thread. Apparently Eli lowered his base for this season and in doing so likely lowered his 2015 cap hit from ~$17M to about $11M, hence the "extra" $6M in cap space compared to what the beats were reporting last week.
Eli's big contract? That money has to be accounted for somewhere.
See my post in the Eli contract details thread. Apparently Eli lowered his base for this season and in doing so likely lowered his 2015 cap hit from ~$17M to about $11M, hence the "extra" $6M in cap space compared to what the beats were reporting last week.
Yes Eric I saw the $5.5 mill for 2015, but his $68 mill over three years needs to be counted somewhere ($23 mill per year, no?).
Seems like good news. I think they must be getting ready to resign Prince if he stays healthy and hopefully extend Hankins.
Over the Cap has not been updated yet. It actually looks weeks behind.
Eli's big contract? That money has to be accounted for somewhere.
See my post in the Eli contract details thread. Apparently Eli lowered his base for this season and in doing so likely lowered his 2015 cap hit from ~$17M to about $11M, hence the "extra" $6M in cap space compared to what the beats were reporting last week.
Yes Eric I saw the $5.5 mill for 2015, but his $68 mill over three years needs to be counted somewhere ($23 mill per year, no?).
$68 million over 3 years includes the signing bonus (which is paid right away). But for cap purposes, the signing bonus prorates over 5 years. So his cap hit is not $68 million over the first 3 years.
now, if we can find a way to keep everyone worth a shit from getting hurt and stop handing away games to division opponents, maybe we've got something here.
Then Eli's salary went from $17M to $5.5M ($11.5M savings) but his estimated amortized bonus is about $6.5M so the (VERY rough) estimate for cap reduction in 2015 is about $5M.
Add about $1M for JPP's absence last week and that seems about right give or take.
This is nuts we can have anyone we cant in FA. who is due anyone of note?
The Giants FAs of note after this season are:
Prince
Randle
Donnell (restricted?)
Ayers
Kuhn (ducks)
JPP
Ignoring JPP, one could argue that Prince is the only guy on that list that's even worth more than $5M per year. Randle is borderline, but if his knee condition is chronic, I'd stay away.
Eli Manning's 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 & 2019 salary cap numbers are $14.45M, $24.2M, $19.7M, $22.2M & $23.2M.
Hmmm, that doesn't seem to jive with the reported salaries
Roster/workout bonuses? $500k in 2016/17 would be reasonable. But it appears the $12M in reduced 2015 salary may have been split up and shifted to some type of roster/workout bonuses in 2018/19 (~$6M each).
All I can remember are the issues surrounding the draft and his first camp.
Okung is a free agent as well depending on what we do with the Beatty/Flowers combo. He says he's negotiating his next contract with no agent. Maybe he and Flowers can get along!
The Giants can roll over all the leftover cap money
into next years cap. They were rumored to be between 50-60 million under next years cap before Eli's extension. Now if they are 14 million under lets say they spend 4 million more this season on signing players to replace injured ones. That leaves 10 million more PLUS potentially 14.8 million more from JPP. The Giants could easily re-sign Prince and sign both Wilkerson and Miller and have plenty of room.
Don't make any major moves/long term commitments, see how the season plays out (players & coaches), clear up as much cap as possible for next year.
After the season Giants should have a much clearer picture about who needs to stay, and what areas need addressing in the off season. I know everyone will say that's easy, DL, OL (RT), DBs, LB... But in mind there are a lot of young players that still have an INC grade... The season should say a lot about them... OO, Moore, Kinnard, Collins, Cooper, even guys like Randle, Cruz/Prince (injury concerns).
If that's the case, they'll never admit it, but I don't think the FO expects much out of the team this year. Maybe they hope TC can keep the team in the playoff hunt in Decemeber, despite being under manned, and even if they don't make the playoffs, it's enough to not have to change the coaching staff. "Meaningful games in December" seems to be Mara's barometer.
Was the Giants plan to go for it next year? They have locked up Eli have some good young talent and they will have a lot of cap space to sign two big free agents like previously mentioned Wilkerson and Miller.
Hankins would be a possibility. Only due ~$1M in 2016 so maybe they could bump that up in exchange for Hankins signing a (slightly) below market value deal.
No reason to lock up Beckham as he still has 3 more years (including the team option) of team control at a bargain price after 2015. And they can't renegotiate with him until the 2017 offseason anyway.
Beatty's a potential cut in the offseason, especially if Flowers shows he can handle LT and Beatty struggles somewhat at RT. They don't need the money, but he'd be an expensive backup if they can find a better RT option.
is showing our cap space in 2016 not as good as first thought...but no rollover here.
Are these numbers right? http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2016/ - ( New Window )
Looks correct and roughly matches OverTheCap. The Spotrac #s have Eli's new deal though (with a 2016 hit of $24.2M), hence the $38M in space instead of $62M.
would be the 8th most before any rollovers are applied. Jax and Oak are pretty much guaranteed to have the most space, but depending on if/when JPP returns, the Giants will likely be anywhere from 3rd most to 8th most even after the Eli deal.
I wonder what the discrepancy is between Spotrac ($10.8 million under) and NFLPA ($14.1 million under)?
No idea, maybe Spotrac missed a couple injury settlements? Seems the ~$3M discrepancy was from prior to Eli's extension since there were reports (IIRC) last week that the Giants had ~$8M in space.
1. Cutting Beason ($5M in cap savings)
2. Cutting Beatty ($4M in cap savings)
3. Restructure Cruz (due a $7.9M base and very little guaranteed $$ remaining)
have the number at 12 Million. Difference could be a 2.5 Million restructure bonus for eli they are counting against this year's cap. In any event we are 62 million under cap for next year. If JPP misses 8 games that number rises to nearly 70 Million. With that kind of money you can resign Prince, sign Eric Berry, Von Miller and Nick Fairley (fuck the second tier free agents) and keep yopur o-line in tact (with Beatty at right tackle).
Beason should be gone regardless since he can't be relied on.
The other 2...can't really speculate until we see them on the field. If Beatty returns and can be even "average" at RT, I probably keep him even at those inflated numbers, rather than restructuring and adding more guaranteed money to a player over 30.
now, if we can find a way to keep everyone worth a shit from getting hurt and stop handing away games to division opponents, maybe we've got something here.
We will be pushing against the cap at some point next year and people will be saying, "what happened to all of the cap space we were supposed to have?".....no reason for me to think that other than it seems to happen all the time.
Prince, Hankins, etc. We're still going to have a lot of cap room to maneuvre in free agency next year.
You could also throw JPP in there as I'm sure part of the original plan was to use a good chunk of that space on him. Of the $38M (excluding rollover) in space they have left, $15-20M would've gone to Prince+JPP extensions. $18M is still a nice chunk, but not quite the same.
to keep our own talent..A major FA signing is most likely not going to happen with today's NFL teams smartening up, imo..
Re-sign your own young stars and be active in the second tier market. That's what I would do
Yea, I'd look to take a page from recent baseball signings and try to lock up some guys before they hit the market, similar to how BB teams extend players below market value by buying out their arbitration years.
Hankins is a perfect example. If you can get him $2-3M under market value by extending him next offseason (instead of when he hits FA in 2017), you do it. They've got some other guys that'll be earning 2nd contracts shortly thereafter (Pugh, Richburg, Beckham, etc).
Not only are the Giants looking good salary cap wise
Football is no longer a wasteland for trades. For many years, trades were the exception and mostly minor. As teams have problems with players and upcoming contracts (see what happened with Jimmy Graham), suddenly the Giants are a team that will have plenty of cap room to be involved in any potential transaction for a trade.
And, hate to think about it this way, if things go badly and it's time to move on from TC, that's a nice chunk of change to use for a new staff to bring in players next year.
and I'll bet it comes in higher than anyone right now is currently projecting.
What I also don't see mentioned nearly enough is the inflationary effect this rising cap is having on player salaries. One more reason to lock players in way before they hit free agency.
Reese is trying to pull an Idzik or the Giants are building this thing very patiently and gearing up for a big run next season.
I would think they planned on spending a big chunk of this change on JPP but that never materialized. Even if they did sign him they'd have a lot of money freed up next season...
Hope it all works out. Reese and Co. need to spend the money wisely.
Reese is trying to pull an Idzik or the Giants are building this thing very patiently and gearing up for a big run next season.
I would think they planned on spending a big chunk of this change on JPP but that never materialized. Even if they did sign him they'd have a lot of money freed up next season...
Hope it all works out. Reese and Co. need to spend the money wisely.
I don't think its anything that complex. They likely budgeted for JPP counting $14-15M this year and probably planned on Eli, JPP, and Prince costing $40-45M in 2016. That would've left them with $20-25M in 2016 cap space (plus any rollover). A substantial amount, but nothing spectacular.
Reese is trying to pull an Idzik or the Giants are building this thing very patiently and gearing up for a big run next season.
I would think they planned on spending a big chunk of this change on JPP but that never materialized. Even if they did sign him they'd have a lot of money freed up next season...
Hope it all works out. Reese and Co. need to spend the money wisely.
I don't think its anything that complex. They likely budgeted for JPP counting $14-15M this year and probably planned on Eli, JPP, and Prince costing $40-45M in 2016. That would've left them with $20-25M in 2016 cap space (plus any rollover). A substantial amount, but nothing spectacular.
I dont think the Giants wanted to sign JPP long term (under the circumsstances... thank God). If they wanted to, I think they would have been able to to play around with the numbers to get it done.
They probably wanted to see another good season from him before they committed. Same applies to Prince, who's had injury issues since he's been here
like Von Miller is never going to hit the open market.
Von Miller could become available, be relatively affordable, declare his love for the Giants and I'm not sure Reese would allocate that kind of spend to get him. I'm resigned to never sign or draft anyone great at that position.
come time of FA etc, it's just barely under the cap. from extending players and etc. Though they may have a bit more in 16' I doubt if it's astronomical as, say, $65 mil under
I know Eli costs a bundle but how the hell this team
See my post in the Eli contract details thread. Apparently Eli lowered his base for this season and in doing so likely lowered his 2015 cap hit from ~$17M to about $11M, hence the "extra" $6M in cap space compared to what the beats were reporting last week.
spotrac.com had us $5.5 M under but they have not updated these figures yet with Eli's new deal.
Don't think they are accurate right now. Spotrac has the Giants at $5.5M without any Eli contract details.
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Eli's big contract? That money has to be accounted for somewhere.
See my post in the Eli contract details thread. Apparently Eli lowered his base for this season and in doing so likely lowered his 2015 cap hit from ~$17M to about $11M, hence the "extra" $6M in cap space compared to what the beats were reporting last week.
Yes Eric I saw the $5.5 mill for 2015, but his $68 mill over three years needs to be counted somewhere ($23 mill per year, no?).
Seems like good news. I think they must be getting ready to resign Prince if he stays healthy and hopefully extend Hankins.
Over the Cap has not been updated yet. It actually looks weeks behind.
Seems like good news. I think they must be getting ready to resign Prince if he stays healthy and hopefully extend Hankins.
Over the Cap has not been updated yet. It actually looks weeks behind.
$31M signing bonus (reportedly), which gets paid immediately, but for cap purposes is spread over 5 years ($6.2M per).
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Eli's big contract? That money has to be accounted for somewhere.
See my post in the Eli contract details thread. Apparently Eli lowered his base for this season and in doing so likely lowered his 2015 cap hit from ~$17M to about $11M, hence the "extra" $6M in cap space compared to what the beats were reporting last week.
Yes Eric I saw the $5.5 mill for 2015, but his $68 mill over three years needs to be counted somewhere ($23 mill per year, no?).
$68 million over 3 years includes the signing bonus (which is paid right away). But for cap purposes, the signing bonus prorates over 5 years. So his cap hit is not $68 million over the first 3 years.
$28M.
And we probably have ~$40M in 2016 space after Eli's deal but before the rollover. So all-in-all we'd be looking at $65-70M in cap space for 2016.
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and JPP's number is $14mm, and he doesn't play this season, how much do we get to roll over?
$28M.
And we probably have ~$40M in 2016 space after Eli's deal but before the rollover. So all-in-all we'd be looking at $65-70M in cap space for 2016.
This is nuts we can have anyone we cant in FA. who is due anyone of note?
Eli Manning's 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 & 2019 salary cap numbers are $14.45M, $24.2M, $19.7M, $22.2M & $23.2M.
Add about $1M for JPP's absence last week and that seems about right give or take.
This is nuts we can have anyone we cant in FA. who is due anyone of note?
The Giants FAs of note after this season are:
Prince
Randle
Donnell (restricted?)
Ayers
Kuhn (ducks)
JPP
Ignoring JPP, one could argue that Prince is the only guy on that list that's even worth more than $5M per year. Randle is borderline, but if his knee condition is chronic, I'd stay away.
So Eli Manning's contract extension reduced his 2015 cap number from $19.75M to $14.5M -- a cap savings of $5.25M.
A lot have already been extended: Dez, D Thomas, Green, Dareus, etc.
Eli Manning's 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 & 2019 salary cap numbers are $14.45M, $24.2M, $19.7M, $22.2M & $23.2M.
Hmmm, that doesn't seem to jive with the reported salaries
Don't spend it now. Roll it over.
Eli Manning's salaries, per NFLPA: $5.5M in '15, $17.5M in '16, $13M in '17, $10.5M in '18, $11.5M in '19.
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Also, it was slim pickings in UFA in 2015. Fans scream to spend money but there has to be talent to spend on that also wants to come to NYG.
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Eli Manning's 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 & 2019 salary cap numbers are $14.45M, $24.2M, $19.7M, $22.2M & $23.2M.
Hmmm, that doesn't seem to jive with the reported salaries
Roster/workout bonuses? $500k in 2016/17 would be reasonable. But it appears the $12M in reduced 2015 salary may have been split up and shifted to some type of roster/workout bonuses in 2018/19 (~$6M each).
Von Miller and/or Wilkerson would be awesome!
Okung is a free agent as well depending on what we do with the Beatty/Flowers combo. He says he's negotiating his next contract with no agent. Maybe he and Flowers can get along!
They can't extend Beckham until he has been in the league for 3 years.
After the season Giants should have a much clearer picture about who needs to stay, and what areas need addressing in the off season. I know everyone will say that's easy, DL, OL (RT), DBs, LB... But in mind there are a lot of young players that still have an INC grade... The season should say a lot about them... OO, Moore, Kinnard, Collins, Cooper, even guys like Randle, Cruz/Prince (injury concerns).
If that's the case, they'll never admit it, but I don't think the FO expects much out of the team this year. Maybe they hope TC can keep the team in the playoff hunt in Decemeber, despite being under manned, and even if they don't make the playoffs, it's enough to not have to change the coaching staff. "Meaningful games in December" seems to be Mara's barometer.
Are these numbers right?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2016/ - ( New Window )
Hankins would be a possibility. Only due ~$1M in 2016 so maybe they could bump that up in exchange for Hankins signing a (slightly) below market value deal.
No reason to lock up Beckham as he still has 3 more years (including the team option) of team control at a bargain price after 2015. And they can't renegotiate with him until the 2017 offseason anyway.
Beatty's a potential cut in the offseason, especially if Flowers shows he can handle LT and Beatty struggles somewhat at RT. They don't need the money, but he'd be an expensive backup if they can find a better RT option.
Are these numbers right? http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2016/ - ( New Window )
That's $40 mill with Eli signed. I think that is pretty good and I do not think it includes the rollover.
But they have us $10 M under now rather than $14 M. (weird)
Are these numbers right? http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2016/ - ( New Window )
Looks correct and roughly matches OverTheCap. The Spotrac #s have Eli's new deal though (with a 2016 hit of $24.2M), hence the $38M in space instead of $62M.
But they have us $10 M under now rather than $14 M. (weird)
Yea, that's without the rollover. Also doesn't account for the ~$1.8M we've "recovered" from JPP (I'm counting him out for game 2 already!)
No idea, maybe Spotrac missed a couple injury settlements? Seems the ~$3M discrepancy was from prior to Eli's extension since there were reports (IIRC) last week that the Giants had ~$8M in space.
2. Cutting Beatty ($4M in cap savings)
3. Restructure Cruz (due a $7.9M base and very little guaranteed $$ remaining)
But that's for next March.
Other potential cap relief? Will Beatty ($9.1M) and Jon Beason ($6.6M) too big of a 2016 cap hit. Tough decision on Victor Cruz ($10 M).
The other 2...can't really speculate until we see them on the field. If Beatty returns and can be even "average" at RT, I probably keep him even at those inflated numbers, rather than restructuring and adding more guaranteed money to a player over 30.
Yea, I doubt Peyton returns in 2016, so there's the money to re-sign Von Miller and/or tag him.
Feeling a tiny bit better?
Re-sign your own young stars and be active in the second tier market. That's what I would do
He just signed a 6yr 101 million dollar deal before training camp started.
You could also throw JPP in there as I'm sure part of the original plan was to use a good chunk of that space on him. Of the $38M (excluding rollover) in space they have left, $15-20M would've gone to Prince+JPP extensions. $18M is still a nice chunk, but not quite the same.
Re-sign your own young stars and be active in the second tier market. That's what I would do
Yea, I'd look to take a page from recent baseball signings and try to lock up some guys before they hit the market, similar to how BB teams extend players below market value by buying out their arbitration years.
Hankins is a perfect example. If you can get him $2-3M under market value by extending him next offseason (instead of when he hits FA in 2017), you do it. They've got some other guys that'll be earning 2nd contracts shortly thereafter (Pugh, Richburg, Beckham, etc).
RB Rashad Jennings: (2015)2,230,000 (2016)2,230,000 (2017)2,480,000
WR Victor Cruz: (2015) 6,150,000 (2016)7,900,000 (2017)7,400,000
LT William Beatty: (2015)5,500,000 (2016)6,625,000 (2017)6,775,000
I would also not be surprised if they parted ways with the following players:
DE Robert Ayers (2015)1,230,000
DT/DE Cullen Jenkins (2015)1,000,000 (2016)2,800,000
LB Jon Beason (2015)1,900,000
They should absolutely lock up their good young players, like Prince and Hankins. Would not be surprised to see OBJ extended after the 2016 season.
It is also interesting that none of the TEs are under contract after this season.
Re-sign your own young stars and be active in the second tier market. That's what I would do
And keep drafting...........
And, hate to think about it this way, if things go badly and it's time to move on from TC, that's a nice chunk of change to use for a new staff to bring in players next year.
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to keep our own talent..A major FA signing is most likely not going to happen with today's NFL teams smartening up, imo..
Re-sign your own young stars and be active in the second tier market. That's what I would do
And keep drafting...........
Yup
What I also don't see mentioned nearly enough is the inflationary effect this rising cap is having on player salaries. One more reason to lock players in way before they hit free agency.
I would think they planned on spending a big chunk of this change on JPP but that never materialized. Even if they did sign him they'd have a lot of money freed up next season...
Hope it all works out. Reese and Co. need to spend the money wisely.
I would think they planned on spending a big chunk of this change on JPP but that never materialized. Even if they did sign him they'd have a lot of money freed up next season...
Hope it all works out. Reese and Co. need to spend the money wisely.
I don't think its anything that complex. They likely budgeted for JPP counting $14-15M this year and probably planned on Eli, JPP, and Prince costing $40-45M in 2016. That would've left them with $20-25M in 2016 cap space (plus any rollover). A substantial amount, but nothing spectacular.
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Reese is trying to pull an Idzik or the Giants are building this thing very patiently and gearing up for a big run next season.
I would think they planned on spending a big chunk of this change on JPP but that never materialized. Even if they did sign him they'd have a lot of money freed up next season...
Hope it all works out. Reese and Co. need to spend the money wisely.
I don't think its anything that complex. They likely budgeted for JPP counting $14-15M this year and probably planned on Eli, JPP, and Prince costing $40-45M in 2016. That would've left them with $20-25M in 2016 cap space (plus any rollover). A substantial amount, but nothing spectacular.
I dont think the Giants wanted to sign JPP long term (under the circumsstances... thank God). If they wanted to, I think they would have been able to to play around with the numbers to get it done.
They probably wanted to see another good season from him before they committed. Same applies to Prince, who's had injury issues since he's been here
Von Miller could become available, be relatively affordable, declare his love for the Giants and I'm not sure Reese would allocate that kind of spend to get him. I'm resigned to never sign or draft anyone great at that position.
We have Eli, DRC and a few guys still under their rookie contracts including Pugh, Prince and Beckham.
Does anybody else provide any value?
Time for an overhaul...
Nice job and welcome to the 10 year plan at left tackle