Paul Schwartz & #8207;@NYPost_Schwartz 46m46 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Problem: Reuben Randle was on field for 68 of 71 offensive snaps. Two targets, one catch (5 yards) starting in place of Victor Cruz.
I keep reading posts that it is "well known" that Randle is not well. Based on what? The knee tendinitis that bothered him in the preseason?
It's possible, but he has not appeared on any injury report since the season started. He has not missed practice or even been limited in practice. As you can see above, he was in on 96 percent of the offensive snaps on Sunday. The Giants knew they had an issue with Cruz. If they also felt they had an issue with Randle, would they have cut James Jones? I've seen no quotes from Randle that say he is having a physical problem.
Perhaps his knees are bothering him, but I would not automatically assume his non-productivity is due to that.
This offense isn't working right now because we have players who just don't produce when needed. Garbage time or when the game is somewhat out of control doesn't count.
The Giants made a huge mistake counting on a return to health of Victor Cruz and expecting Randle to step up and be the #3 (or #2 if Cruz wasn't ready to go). Add in the joke that is Preston Parker and this "juggernaut" of an offense is nothing more than offensively bad when absolutely needed.
Why is Eli not looking in his direction? Because he is not getting open? If he isn't, replace him.....because of this we are forcing the ball to Parker and Donnell.....
Is it the knees, or is it an attitude problem...whatever it is, the "effort" just doesn't look like it is there....
So why hasn't Harris and Davis been used more?....well, we spread Harris out, and he causes a penalty and we don't convert a fourth down.....he is also slipping all over the field......Davis did get into the game, but I think only had one target....
Well, Randle did draw comparisons to Nicks for his style of play.
There have been a few of them this offseason.
Why is Eli not looking in his direction? Because he is not getting open? If he isn't, replace him.....because of this we are forcing the ball to Parker and Donnell.....
Is it the knees, or is it an attitude problem...whatever it is, the "effort" just doesn't look like it is there....
So why hasn't Harris and Davis been used more?....well, we spread Harris out, and he causes a penalty and we don't convert a fourth down.....he is also slipping all over the field......Davis did get into the game, but I think only had one target....
It's easy to say replace him, but with whom? Parker should be collecting shopping carts, and the others aren't much better. Maybe play an extra lineman.
Gripes with RR...
- The talks of his "promise" or the defense "he's only 24 year's old". We've seen enough, consistency will never float Randle's boat.
- Reports of his lack of focus from the get-go of his career after coming out as a "polished" "start from day 1" WR.
- Slow learning Gilbride's option routes. Your a top round pick from powerhouse pro-offense LSU, a UDFA like Victor Cruz walks in the door and sets the world on fire next to you in the same system.
- Miscommunications with Eli has led to numerous INTs and blown plays over the seasons.
- Arthritic knees, not worth a long term deal. Reese better not have a tinkle in his balls to bring back another failed draft pick.
Forget James Jones, the older vet hold-over to right the ship for a playoff run ain't happening.
Get Geremy Davis out there, maybe he will show a pulse because Randle's one stopped beating over the offseason.
I don't see a) how Randle could plummet to invisible this year without injury and b) how he could show no indication of ineffectiveness in the pre-season for the staff to plan accordingly.
Either way, coaching mistake...again.
Not a single person had Cruz coming back at week 4 a month ago.
But I think his knees are bothering him more than we know. He just doesn't seem to be moving well. He does have tendinitis, and it only takes a slight diminution in ability to prevent a WR from being able to separate from defensive backs in this league. And Randle never got a lot of separation anyway.
But whatever the reason, he isn't productive right now. Eli doesn't seem to even be looking for him. His lack of production means he should be benched. Not knowing exactly why he isn't productive shouldn't prevent that from happening.
He was also visibly limping on the side lines vs Dallas.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but the problem is obvious.
We got 23 yards of production out of our # 2 and #3 receivers combined.
Parker can get open but he can't catch. Randle can't get open. He's definitely hurting.
Eli's completion percent yesterday was 67% playing with limited skill players and a makeshift OL.
Not convinced you can put the blame for that loss on him.
After reading BBI this morning, I'm sure I'm in a minority. However, a look at the facts bear out my opinion.
WR Rueben Randle (knee) ‐ This one has Coughlin "confused." Randle has been able to manage knee tendonitis in the past. Not so much this time around. Coughlin couldn't provide an answer on whether Randle would return to practice this week.
Around the time Jones was cut.
Until someone informs us differently, with hard evidence, there is no other logical conclusion to draw. To me, he is a total non-factor...certainly defenses are not scared of him and, in my mind, he is a waste of talent.
That being said, there are some very serious questions over the Giants decision making in player personnel issues. Keeping and starting Randle is just one of them. Not keeping James Jones is another. Keeping Markus Kuhn, deciding to stay with Beason who is an injury waiting to happen and on and on.
Trying to stay positive but it's difficult when guys who are starting and playing are simply not productive. One would even have to question the wisdom of starting Jennings. He is a non factor.
Failure from the top down. Mara's loyalty lies with the coach and GM instead of his team. The GM can't do much else beyond picking well in the first round. Many of his later picks are head scratchers and his free agent acquisitions spend more time with the doctors and trainers than they do on the field. The coach is clearly in cognitive decline (to put it as nicely as I can) as he can't seem to manage the clock at all late in the game. The 2 time Superbowl MVP QB doesn't know you should just score when given the opportunity inside of 2:00 left in a game and he pretty much put the nail in the team's coffin yesterday between the fumble and nearly back to back delay of game penalties.
This team is a total shit show. Not one of the aforementioned people should be a part of this team next year but that all comes down to the guy at the top who seemingly can't bring himself to make tough decisions when needed.
It makes it a whole lot easier to get open when the defense is doubling ODB the whole game.
Agreed.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but the problem is obvious.
We got 23 yards of production out of our # 2 and #3 receivers combined.
Parker can get open but he can't catch. Randle can't get open. He's definitely hurting.
Eli's completion percent yesterday was 67% playing with limited skill players and a makeshift OL.
Not convinced you can put the blame for that loss on him.
After reading BBI this morning, I'm sure I'm in a minority. However, a look at the facts bear out my opinion.
I have to agree with this. Also, add in the fact that Flowers was having some obvious problems before he went down for good, and that the restructured O-line just didn't do a very good job for the rest of the game.
Bingo.
How do you know this? Unless someone has watched the all 22 tapes of our first two games nobody is really in a position to judge whether the problem is Randle not getting separation or Eli not looking his way, or plays not designed to go to him, etc.
I know what Parcells said about the guys on the bench, but we've had zero out of Randle and Parker, it's time someone else got a chance.
I know what Parcells said about the guys on the bench, but we've had zero out of Randle and Parker, it's time someone else got a chance.
Coughlin is reluctant to rely on Davis and Parker is horrible on the outside. It sounds like Randle has been able to manage this in the past and they are anticipating that the issue will go away. The Cruz thing has thrown them for a loop because I'm sure that with Cruz back, you will probably see RR go inactive. A game of musical chairs. They mishandled the situation with Cruz injury and the release of Jones as my quotes for the Jets game pointed out.
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not getting any separation.
How do you know this? Unless someone has watched the all 22 tapes of our first two games nobody is really in a position to judge whether the problem is Randle not getting separation or Eli not looking his way, or plays not designed to go to him, etc.
By watching the all 22 tape.
I have a little experience in breaking down films.
Same buffoon lazy worker that Ramses one minus the shit eating grin we always saw while he was deactivated on the sidelines on game day
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not getting any separation.
How do you know this? Unless someone has watched the all 22 tapes of our first two games nobody is really in a position to judge whether the problem is Randle not getting separation or Eli not looking his way, or plays not designed to go to him, etc.
By watching the all 22 tape.
I have a little experience in breaking down films.
That's what I wanted to know. Did you get the all 22 from yesterday's game yet?
If it's not made available on rewind, I have another source that I can tap into later in the week.
He looks hurt. It's possible he's just disinterested, but the way he came on late last season, I have a hard time believing the guy is just slacking off in a contract year.
He looks hurt. It's possible he's just disinterested, but the way he came on late last season, I have a hard time believing the guy is just slacking off in a contract year.
I don't believe his effort is poor. He's lost some speed due to pain. He can't stick that foot in the ground and make his breaks like he could last year.
I'm not sure what our options are, nor do I have any idea when or if he'll improve physically.
Not an ideal situation. 23 yards from your #s 2 & 3 receivers isn't going to get it done.
That's interesting, considering the JPP situation. If you think about it, JPP could use Randle as an example of the Giants putting players on the field who can't properly compete.
We're too inconsistent running the ball, yet Tom keeps trying to stay at a 50/50 run pass ratio. I think that's a bad move considering the inexperience and talent issues on our line. I'd prefer going to 60-65% passing, with a good percentage of that being dump offs to our Running Backs (something that's more in line with a WCO). The problem there is that our TE's are useless.
Brings up another point...we have seen zero improvement from the TE's since Pope was fired. I know our TE's aren't that skilled, but they shouldn't be this bad. I've got to think this is coaching related.
Solutions? I like the idea of moving Donnell either to the Slot or WR. He's useless at TE, since he won't block. He's got the size for it, but not the will. I'll quote RB John Henry here... "Blocking is nothing but 100% desire." Moving LD will at least cause matchup problems on the opposing CB's, and indirectly improve the line by subtraction.
Another option is putting Geremy Davis out there (at least he can run, and is a threat to get open). I'd even put Parker out there full time, even if he's only catching the ball 50% of the time, he can take some pressure off of OBJ, and he might get better with more game time. Hell, we put Mario Manningham out there, and he dropped his fair share.
I doubt this is what they want to do, but the team can't continue to get non-production from as many players on offense as we're seeing now.
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like shit? That's why everyone is speculating he's hurt - he's not running like he has in the past (mental lapses - wrong part of the field, drops, aside).
He looks hurt. It's possible he's just disinterested, but the way he came on late last season, I have a hard time believing the guy is just slacking off in a contract year.
I don't believe his effort is poor. He's lost some speed due to pain. He can't stick that foot in the ground and make his breaks like he could last year.
I'm not sure what our options are, nor do I have any idea when or if he'll improve physically.
Not an ideal situation. 23 yards from your #s 2 & 3 receivers isn't going to get it done.
How many yards did Atlanta's #2 and 3 receivers have yesterday? They kept throwing to Julio Jones because that strategy was successful. The Giants, OTOH, stopped throwing the ball to Beckham in the second half despite how successful that was in the first half.
Why? They had to know Randle was gimpy back in August because Randle wasn't practicing every day. So.....
What the fuck is this organization doing lately? Am I nuts to say that WE are one of the most dysfunctional teams going since 2013? WTF???
This team fucking stinks. They go 6-10 on average every year and they have fired the DC, fired the OC and made head scratching FA moves and roster moves.
Who's been worse? The skins or giants? Seriously? My God we're bad.
If an injury is causing him to perform at less than optimum in those areas, in short, if he has lost a step, he is not going to get open.
The real question is why the roster is so thin at the WR position?
Anyone who plays basketball has had it in their past, its not fun. And Tendonitis is weird, you can't estimate when its going to get better. Its really a week to week thing.
Reuben Randle has 28 receiving yards this season. Eli Manning has 31 rushing yards this season.
Anyone who plays basketball has had it in their past, its not fun. And Tendonitis is weird, you can't estimate when its going to get better. Its really a week to week thing.