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Tonight is important but not the end of the season

Les in TO : 9/24/2015 9:18 am
It is conceivable that the giants lose to Wash tonight even though we've traditionally done very well against them in the coughlin regime, including last year's early season Thursday nighter in Wash.

If we were reasonably healthy, I would be more confident in our chances.

As much as it may be tempting to call on reese, coughlin, everyone to be fired, it is still a very long season and there are a lot of winnable games out there. If we can get cruz, DRC and flowers back next week and otherwise keep it together health wise, this team can still get on a run. we even went on a run in 2013 after starting 0-6 and made things interesting in a playoff push and that team was not as talented as this version. Coughlin teams tend to be streaky in both directions

So if the Giants lose, take a deep breath, enjoy the fresh air over the weekend, and maybe next week in buffalo, where in 2007 our super bowl run started, will be the game where the stars are aligned, we are reasonably healthy and ready to ignite this season.
Just  
Carl in CT : 9/24/2015 9:19 am : link
Stop!
Season's not over until you're eliminated  
jcn56 : 9/24/2015 9:20 am : link
but practically speaking, lose tonight and the margin for error for the rest of the season is going to be so slim that this bunch will never be able to deal with it.

IMO, if we lose tonight but put out a good effort and minimize the mistakes, it won't be too bad. If we lose another one in dramatic, boneheaded fashion, I don't think the team's psyche will hold up.
Too late fellas...  
The Last Shemita : 9/24/2015 9:21 am : link
4-12 for these G-Men...We lose tonight 34-20.
If we lose tonight  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2015 9:22 am : link
It's over. O. V. E. R.
Lose Tonight  
GiveShockeyTheBall : 9/24/2015 9:22 am : link
and the season is over. This team isn't digging out of an 0-3 hole.

Hard to believe our season may be over before 10/1
If we lose tonight, and then go to Buffalo  
Doomster : 9/24/2015 9:32 am : link
and have to face that defense, the prospects are even worse than last year.....

Why do posters bring up former seasons to back up their post? Each season is a discrete entity in itself.....

When this season is over, at least we can put to rest, "Coughlin wins a SB every 4 years}.....
0-3 means 0-4...  
silverfox : 9/24/2015 9:32 am : link
Because a pissed off Buffalo team is likely going to win at home in that crazy loud stadium over a demoralized Giants team that for all intents and purposes has had a fork stuck into them.

Tonight could be the turning point in the season imo...one way or the other.

Plenty of games left, however  
Simms11 : 9/24/2015 9:32 am : link
it takes 3 wins in a row just to get back to 500. We'll be chasing our tail all season. Problem is we do not have the horses anymore on the Dline and pass rush is suffering. It would solve many of our woes, but I just don't see it. No optimism at all with this D. Offensively, there's just no rhythm.

3 losses is pretty much the death knell. Especially 2 losses in the division and at home this early. I think it will absolutely zap their enthusiasm.
Plenty of games left, however  
Simms11 : 9/24/2015 9:33 am : link
it takes 3 wins in a row just to get back to 500. We'll be chasing our tail all season. Problem is we do not have the horses anymore on the Dline and pass rush is suffering. It would solve many of our woes, but I just don't see it. No optimism at all with this D. Offensively, there's just no rhythm.

3 losses is pretty much the death knell. Especially 2 losses in the division and at home this early. I think it will absolutely zap their enthusiasm.
Only 3 teams in the last 25 years  
Gman11 : 9/24/2015 9:41 am : link
have made the playoffs after starting 0-3.

So, statistically, your assertion that everything is OK if they lose is just a bunch of baloney.
The idiocy just won't stop. After the countless "we were 0-2 in 2007"  
Victor in CT : 9/24/2015 10:02 am : link
rants Les one-ups them. Yeah, 0-3 and then the playoff push begins.

1-2 and they are still iffy. 0-3 and they are done and the Coughlin haters will be circling. It will be 10 days of recycled 2006 Gary Myers "Coughlin is GOne" columns.
0-3 means 2 things  
family progtitioner : 9/24/2015 10:13 am : link
The season is over re the playoffs
The TC era is over
For anyone saying the season isn't over with a loss  
simbapenn : 9/24/2015 10:25 am : link
You're deluding yourself. It's bleak even with a win.
Chart of records against playoff percentage - ( New Window )
When we lose tonight....  
The Last Shemita : 9/24/2015 10:29 am : link
I hope that will finally convince Mr. Mara that it's time for TC to go. Sometimes you just got to make a change like opening up all the windows in a stuffy room. Time to clean house as clean as a starving Wolf's tooth.
The Last Shemita  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/24/2015 10:30 am : link
You're a great fan! Go Giants!
RE: The idiocy just won't stop. After the countless  
Les in TO : 9/24/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12503315 Victor in CT said:
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rants Les one-ups them. Yeah, 0-3 and then the playoff push begins.

1-2 and they are still iffy. 0-3 and they are done and the Coughlin haters will be circling. It will be 10 days of recycled 2006 Gary Myers "Coughlin is GOne" columns.


Victor - what changes would you make to turn the giants fortunes around in the offseason, since you obviously believe that this season is likely over and you don't believe that coughlin should lose his job?
RE: When we lose tonight....  
Gman11 : 9/24/2015 10:39 am : link
In comment 12503397 The Last Shemita said:
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I hope that will finally convince Mr. Mara that it's time for TC to go. Sometimes you just got to make a change like opening up all the windows in a stuffy room. Time to clean house as clean as a starving Wolf's tooth.


They changed the defensive coordinator this year and the offensive coordinator last year. Would it be counter productive to bring in a new coach and a whole new staff and do it all over again? If you replace Coughlin from within, such as making McAdoo or Spags the head coach, are you really changing much?
Complete clear out  
family progtitioner : 9/24/2015 10:41 am : link
Is the only answer if it comes to that
RE: RE: The idiocy just won't stop. After the countless  
Victor in CT : 9/24/2015 10:43 am : link
In comment 12503411 Les in TO said:
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In comment 12503315 Victor in CT said:


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rants Les one-ups them. Yeah, 0-3 and then the playoff push begins.

1-2 and they are still iffy. 0-3 and they are done and the Coughlin haters will be circling. It will be 10 days of recycled 2006 Gary Myers "Coughlin is GOne" columns.



Victor - what changes would you make to turn the giants fortunes around in the offseason, since you obviously believe that this season is likely over and you don't believe that coughlin should lose his job?


Not only are you delusional, but you either have poor reading comprehension skills or just like to make things up. I never said Coughlin should not lose his job. What I HAVE said is that Reese is equally or more responsible and should be canned as well. The Giants are paying for 5 years of poor drafts and FA signings. The last 2 years look okay so far but it's too soon to say.

What's needed: More DL/OL, more physical style, northeast weather tested players, no more taking chances on guys with injury histories.
And, they are 2 more strong drafts away from being a  
Victor in CT : 9/24/2015 10:45 am : link
real contender.
Victor  
Les in TO : 9/24/2015 11:25 am : link
your insult of the "Coughlin haters" and reference to 2006 made it seem like you are a big supporter and would want him to stay. so it was not a big leap for me to think that's where you stood.

but stay classy
Ask again tomorrow  
Ivan15 : 9/24/2015 11:26 am : link
If the Giants are 0-3, where do you think this season is headed?
The 2015 Giants  
JonC : 9/24/2015 11:31 am : link
are going through the growing pains of learning how to win in the NFL.

This isn't the 2014 or 2013 Giants, the arrow is pointing up and there's incremental improvements through two games.

Getting and staying healthy are desperately needed.

Winning the SB isn't going to happen every year, teams go through stages of development as they rise through the ranks. If you deem success/failure based on winning the SB, it must suck.
This is a must win.  
arcarsenal : 9/24/2015 11:31 am : link
There's no way to sugar coat it or put it any other way. This is our season and if we don't win tonight, it's over.

If we win, we're right back in the mix.

This is a huge game. It sounds silly to call a Week 3 game against the Redskins "huge" but it really is.
While not impossible 0-3 would be a very big hole  
steve in ky : 9/24/2015 11:32 am : link
to have to dig out of. Realistically I don't think they have that luxury.

Lets just hope we won't have to find out.
also, if you look at it, an 0-3 start  
micky : 9/24/2015 11:37 am : link
isn't as big as an 0-2 start in a division that may keep them in it even by losing.
Oh stop - this team ain't coming back from 0-3  
MetsAreBack : 9/24/2015 11:39 am : link
i frankly didnt think this team would do much this season to begin with but Dallas injuries combined with Philly's early ineptitude has made this division more up for grabs than i envisioned.

Just win tonight and go from there.
The reality of it is that at 0 - 3 there is virutally no chance at the  
213374 : 9/24/2015 11:40 am : link
playoffs. And really, is this a playoff caliber team? I have been a fan since 1955 and have seen some of the worst teams in Jints history, these last two games have been deja vu all over again!
RE: also, if you look at it, an 0-3 start  
steve in ky : 9/24/2015 11:41 am : link
In comment 12503604 micky said:
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isn't as big as an 0-2 start in a division that may keep them in it even by losing.


???

It sounds like you're are saying that 0-2 is worse than 0-3 would be?
I agree with Les  
nicky43 : 9/24/2015 11:41 am : link
It is NOT over if we lose tonight nor if we lose in Buffalo. This board sure has a lot of pessimists!
Dudes...  
Knee of Theismann : 9/24/2015 11:45 am : link
Can we look at the bright side? If we win tonight and Dallas loses on Sunday (very real possibility), we are only one game back and we get a shot at revenge against the Cowboys in just a few weeks.
micky is pointing at the divisional weakness  
JonC : 9/24/2015 11:45 am : link
1-1 in the division keeps them in the mix with one win on homefield, you must defend the homefield especially when your margin for error is slim. Division games hold more weight than conference or non-conference games.
My point being...  
Knee of Theismann : 9/24/2015 11:46 am : link
Things can turn on a dime, ESPECIALLY in the NFL.
RE: micky is pointing at the divisional weakness  
steve in ky : 9/24/2015 11:48 am : link
In comment 12503624 JonC said:
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1-1 in the division keeps them in the mix with one win on homefield, you must defend the homefield especially when your margin for error is slim. Division games hold more weight than conference or non-conference games.


Ahh, Yes the worse part of 0-3 would be the fact that they would be 0-2 in the division. I read over it quickly and the way it was worded I missed his point.
RE: If we lose tonight  
Randy in CT : 9/24/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12503203 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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It's over. O. V. E. R.


RE: Victor  
Victor in CT : 9/24/2015 11:54 am : link
In comment 12503571 Les in TO said:
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your insult of the "Coughlin haters" and reference to 2006 made it seem like you are a big supporter and would want him to stay. so it was not a big leap for me to think that's where you stood.

but stay classy


I was referring to the fact that their will be a media circus around the team with the speculation about the coaching staffs return.
RE: The 2015 Giants  
Victor in CT : 9/24/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12503587 JonC said:
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are going through the growing pains of learning how to win in the NFL.

This isn't the 2014 or 2013 Giants, the arrow is pointing up and there's incremental improvements through two games.

Getting and staying healthy are desperately needed.

Winning the SB isn't going to happen every year, teams go through stages of development as they rise through the ranks. If you deem success/failure based on winning the SB, it must suck.


good post
RE: micky is pointing at the divisional weakness  
micky : 9/24/2015 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12503624 JonC said:
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1-1 in the division keeps them in the mix with one win on homefield, you must defend the homefield especially when your margin for error is slim. Division games hold more weight than conference or non-conference games.


exactly.
Thanks JonC for clearing it up for me  
micky : 9/24/2015 12:06 pm : link
early still scrambled from my pain meds last night lol
I speak micky!  
JonC : 9/24/2015 12:08 pm : link
You're quite welcome, I hope you're feeling well.
Micky  
steve in ky : 9/24/2015 12:09 pm : link
Know need to apologize, I read it fast and misread it.

You do raise an interesting hypothetical.

Would you rather be 0-3 with only one loss from the division or 1-2 but both losses are within the division?
RE: Micky  
steve in ky : 9/24/2015 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12503690 steve in ky said:
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Know need to apologize, I read it fast and misread it.

You do raise an interesting hypothetical.

Would you rather be 0-3 with only one loss from the division or 1-2 but both losses are within the division?


ugh *No* need
it would bad  
giantfan2000 : 9/24/2015 12:10 pm : link
0-3
0-2 in division

about as worse a start as you could have

. and You don't think that the players know
that this is definitely TC make or break it year.
so it is entirely possible that after 0-3 the team will tune out TC and the bottom will drop out .


Washington beating us at home  
TMS : 9/24/2015 12:15 pm : link
and starting 0/3 looks like a top 10 draft pick team (or worse) again to me.
RE: Too late fellas...  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/24/2015 12:30 pm : link
In comment 12503201 The Last Shemita said:
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4-12 for these G-Men...We lose tonight 34-20.


How bout you root for another team? I swear some of you negative fks have your lotion and tissues ready to go as you type these comments.
See saw  
OC2.0 : 9/24/2015 1:07 pm : link
This game is the tipping point, imo. We get a tidy win & confidence spikes going into Buff. with more players coming back.

A loss, especially another 4th qtr. meltdown, & we can, pretty much, just press down the flush handle because Oct. is gonna be tough.
what i was getting at  
Les in TO : 9/24/2015 1:45 pm : link
is that if the giants lose, people don't need to go all hari kari. it's a hole, bu if we get DRC, Cruz and Flowers back for Buffalo and don't otherwise suffer any catastrophic injuries, there is still a tonne of meaningful football left and the leadership of this team has been known to go on winning streaks.
Yes, it would be  
jeff57 : 9/24/2015 1:47 pm : link
.
It's easy to point to TC and condemn him if they lose.  
chops : 9/24/2015 1:58 pm : link
Look at the roster and ,yes the injured, and name another coach who will do better than Tom.
I believe if we lose tonight our chances of making the playoffs...  
Torrag : 9/24/2015 2:02 pm : link
...are slim and none.
RE: Just  
Gman11 : 9/24/2015 2:25 pm : link
In comment 12503197 Carl in CT said:
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Stop!

We must have lots of degenerate gamblers here. Sure, we could  
BigGame : 9/24/2015 2:33 pm : link
be 13-3 after losing tonight, we just need a more surehanded 3rd WR!!

While it was questionable, if not advisable, to move on from TC last year or the year before that, now I don't know how that's debatable.
RE: RE: The 2015 Giants  
BillKo : 9/24/2015 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12503654 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 12503587 JonC said:


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are going through the growing pains of learning how to win in the NFL.

This isn't the 2014 or 2013 Giants, the arrow is pointing up and there's incremental improvements through two games.

Getting and staying healthy are desperately needed.

Winning the SB isn't going to happen every year, teams go through stages of development as they rise through the ranks. If you deem success/failure based on winning the SB, it must suck.



good post


Actually, this a terrific post. I think a lot of people are losing sight of what is going on.

We are probably only going to win 6-8 games this season, but another good draft, prudent additions in free agency, and growth of our younger players should put us in good shape for the the final four years of Eli's run.

I think we are caught too much from 2013, with the SB clock crap, and trying to quickly recover last year...it's just not happening that way. The record over the last 50 games, you need to forget it.

I want to see a competitive football team, which after two weeks, we've had.
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