or just more conspiracy theory BS? Hard to tell, some conflicting information coming out and I haven't been on top of it.
If this has been discussed and people beat each other up about it I'll just delete.
Seriously no agenda on my part whatsoever, just didn't pay much attention to the original story beyond the headlines until I came across the hoax stories.
and it COULD have been a bomb
but it is a freaking small pencil case -
so yes it does seem more absurd that someone would confuse it for a bomb
another point that has not really been brought up -- if you read early articles about this situation it says in Ahmed's middle school he would take his home science projects to school all the time to show his teachers.
so there was not any secret hidden muslim agenda to trap this school ..
just a geeky kid who wanted to impress his science teacher..
and was instead arrested
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this isn't the legal system. It's BBI, and for far too many, authorities are always wrong until proven right. It's an instinctive reaction. Innocent until proven guilty is a nice catch phrase, but ultimately, how do you prove someone guilty until you charge them with something? Every guilty verdict starts with someone being detained. The question becomes whether detention is fair, or not fair. In this case, the evidence leans more towards being fair.
It's indisputable that there was no bomb. The determination of a bomb hoax is entirely subjective. "You intended for us to believe it was a bomb. We believe this, therefore you'll be treated according to our belief, not according to any verifiable facts." That surely sounds like guilty until proved otherwise.
Ok, so he took apart a clock and re-cased it in a pencil box?
He did NOT build a clock. Did you watch the youtube of the guy (I assume engineer) completely debunk the kid's intention of building a clock?
Regardless, I am out, you are free to proceed as you see fit, of course, but I would try another approach.
Have a good night.
and it COULD have been a bomb
but it is a freaking small pencil case -
so yes it does seem more absurd that someone would confuse it for a bomb
another point that has not really been brought up -- if you read early articles about this situation it says in Ahmed's middle school he would take his home science projects to school all the time to show his teachers.
so there was not any secret hidden muslim agenda to trap this school ..
just a geeky kid who wanted to impress his science teacher..
and was instead arrested
You left out a nice portion about the kid there....conveniently
-who apparently had a sister who threatened to "blow up" her school
- who was told by another teacher to put it in his locker
- who was also uncooperative when questioned by police
But paraphrasing is cool....I guess
Regardless, I am out, you are free to proceed as you see fit, of course, but I would try another approach.
Have a good night.
You do as well, but as a whote person I am actually continuously offended for being assumed to be racist or bigoted. And I dont feel like I should be called that despite me having an entire list of reasons to think ill of this kid's intentions. When people respond to challenges like that, I get pissed. I cite evidence, and they cast aspersions? Sorry, I don't play that.
Sorry if I got uppity, but I hate it when people use a reputation as evidence.
-who apparently had a sister who threatened to "blow up" her school
Oh yes guilt by association the classic fox news smear
- who was told by another teacher to put it in his locker
no he was told " not to show any other teachers.” so he put it in his knapsack where it beeped during a later class.
- who was also uncooperative when questioned by police
say the police who arrested a 14 year old child for having a clock
Regardless, I am out, you are free to proceed as you see fit, of course, but I would try another approach.
Have a good night.
Why call out chopper? Did you miss the way Ash and David introduced themselves to this thread? Chopper has every right to to respond. Those two are the ones that brought the aggression and insults, not the other way around.
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I am sorry for not providing a more substantive response to your post, but suffice it to say it would be uncharacteristic of either poster not to see your perspective.
Regardless, I am out, you are free to proceed as you see fit, of course, but I would try another approach.
Have a good night.
Why call out chopper? Did you miss the way Ash and David introduced themselves to this thread? Chopper has every right to to respond. Those two are the ones that brought the aggression and insults, not the other way around.
Im glad you saw it that way.
I read a lot of vitriol about how minorities were treated when this was not the case. Instead of us treating cases of predjudice on a case by case basis, it almost seems as tho people have to take a case of poor behavior and put the response through a racial screening; almost to eliminate ALL possibility of discrimination before a judgement can be rendered, and I think thats a very dangerous and silly process.
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I am sorry for not providing a more substantive response to your post, but suffice it to say it would be uncharacteristic of either poster not to see your perspective.
Regardless, I am out, you are free to proceed as you see fit, of course, but I would try another approach.
Have a good night.
Why call out chopper? Did you miss the way Ash and David introduced themselves to this thread? Chopper has every right to to respond. Those two are the ones that brought the aggression and insults, not the other way around.
My reading of the thread isn't the same as yours, I'm sorry.
And I also apologize if my reading is incorrect.
This is really why I attacked David and Ash.
I live in an alternate reality....right. And you have an agenda. Innocent little Ahmed with his "clock" that was already debunked by someone who works with kids looking to create.
Keep your head in the sand David....nobody misses you.
But at the end of the day, for me anyways, it's an isolated incident...an oddity in these here United States. Emblematic of nothing, indicative of less, and of insignificant consequence. Not worth national angst and trivia tomorrow.
This is really why I attacked David and Ash.
I live in an alternate reality....right. And you have an agenda. Innocent little Ahmed with his "clock" that was already debunked by someone who works with kids looking to create.
Keep your head in the sand David....nobody misses you.
Says the 14 year old smart ass who knows the police or school officials can't say a word because he is under 18 and schools have a zero tolerance policy.
More and more looking like a set up.
It's the American way.
Play the system to your advantage.
Kudos to them.
Again, you choose not to read what you dont want to. His sister was a problem years before. He was uncooperative at the time of the incident. His family has been more than uncooperative and in fact hiring a lawyer. Even Mark Cuban said that he heard someone he presumed to be Ahmed's sister coaching him on what to say during a phone chat.
Ive presented facts and evidence. You've presented that the people perpetuating that this is a hoax are racists. You don't see where you sound completely out of your depth here?
Im not saying the kid should go to jail. Im not saying the kid's a terrorist. I'm saying the reaction was completely justified (probably not what the police chief or whatever he was said when the kid walked in) and he should not be receiving preferential treatment because he fucked up (he did...twice) and happens to be Muslim.
People like you are the reason why this country gets taken advantage of. I'll bet you were one of those assholes clapping your hands when that Texas cop was shot in the back like 12 times in cold blood.
Seriously, people like you make me nauseous. People like you are why people get stomped in bars. You open your mouths and accuse the populace of something you have no evidence of and then scoff at facts presented.
No, you're just presuming guilt on the part of the teachers and police. But you painting people with a broad brush is perfectly fine, right?
Thank God that did not apply to my younger brother..
From what I can gather the kid did not build a clock at all. We do not know the entire story because the school and police are not at liberty to discuss any of it. Is it possible the kids crossed the line which forced the school/authorities to lead the kid out in cuffs? There is usually not much leeway in these situations...if the kid does X...Y is gonna happen. If the reports are true that the parent have refused to allow a full accounting of the situation to be released by the school...then I think it is reasonable to believe they have something to hide. With the narrative going their way...I guess that is the best tack to take.
It's a shame that this kid is getting so much attention for really having done nothing but take an old clock apart and place it in a box. Now this lazy kid is the recipient of undeserved fame.
From what I can gather the kid did not build a clock at all. We do not know the entire story because the school and police are not at liberty to discuss any of it. Is it possible the kids crossed the line which forced the school/authorities to lead the kid out in cuffs? There is usually not much leeway in these situations...if the kid does X...Y is gonna happen. If the reports are true that the parent have refused to allow a full accounting of the situation to be released by the school...then I think it is reasonable to believe they have something to hide. With the narrative going their way...I guess that is the best tack to take.
It's a shame that this kid is getting so much attention for really having done nothing but take an old clock apart and place it in a box. Now this lazy kid is the recipient of undeserved fame.
What do you base the claim "he did not build a clock" on?
Thank God that did not apply to my younger brother..
Because it's a 2nd instance of this family doing something to arouse a ton of suspicion. It's certainly worth noting especially since he is still formative and impressionable. What about Mark Cuban's remarks regarding the conversation that he attempted to have with Ahmed? It is becoming apparent that this family has an agenda and is carrying it out using America's societal issues to get it accomplished. This is not like "his sister was a heroin addict so therefore he might try to bring a bomb to school" logic. The system initiated protocol, he was uncooperative and now he is getting an invite to the White House. It's fucking INSANE the resulting outcry.
I'm not saying that the kid should go to jail...again. But it's not like what he did is analogous to a kid forgetting that he had a pen knife in his back pack from a camping trip.
Those are modern circuit boards, not the relic in the Ahmed clock. The solder runs on new circuit boards look precise and geometric in comparison, because they are designed and built by computers. I used to work on circuit boards that looked like his....because they were handmade by ITT Gilfillan back in the '70s when the radar I worked on in the Marines was first built.
I can tell you with absolute certainty, based on this photo:
That what you posted, is not what is in the photograph. Seriously, just stop. AND HOW IRONIC THAT HIS "CLOCK" HAPPENED TO GO OFF DURING A CLASS!!!!!!!
Seriously, the fact that you think this way....on an every day basis, really and truly scares me.
From what I can gather the kid did not build a clock at all. We do not know the entire story because the school and police are not at liberty to discuss any of it. Is it possible the kids crossed the line which forced the school/authorities to lead the kid out in cuffs? There is usually not much leeway in these situations...if the kid does X...Y is gonna happen. If the reports are true that the parent have refused to allow a full accounting of the situation to be released by the school...then I think it is reasonable to believe they have something to hide. With the narrative going their way...I guess that is the best tack to take.
It's a shame that this kid is getting so much attention for really having done nothing but take an old clock apart and place it in a box. Now this lazy kid is the recipient of undeserved fame.
Really a perfect summation of my issue with poor little Ahmed. Although leaving out the family's unwillingness to cooperate to resolve everything.
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This is a great example of people jumping to conclusions without having enough information to make an informed decision.
From what I can gather the kid did not build a clock at all. We do not know the entire story because the school and police are not at liberty to discuss any of it. Is it possible the kids crossed the line which forced the school/authorities to lead the kid out in cuffs? There is usually not much leeway in these situations...if the kid does X...Y is gonna happen. If the reports are true that the parent have refused to allow a full accounting of the situation to be released by the school...then I think it is reasonable to believe they have something to hide. With the narrative going their way...I guess that is the best tack to take.
It's a shame that this kid is getting so much attention for really having done nothing but take an old clock apart and place it in a box. Now this lazy kid is the recipient of undeserved fame.
What do you base the claim "he did not build a clock" on?
I have no clue, but this guy who sounds pretty credible suggests a) Mohamed didn't invent anything and b) he didn't even build anything. He could be wrong of course, but this kind of thing was the crux of the hoax questions combined with his comments and behavior
I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this – there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock. Now, before I go on and get accused of attacking a 14 year old kid who’s already been through enough, let me explain my purpose. I don’t want to just dissect the clock. I want to dissect our reaction as a society to the situation. Part of that is the knee-jerk responses we’re all so quick to make without facts. So, before you scroll down and leave me angry comments, please continue to the end (or not – prove my point, and miss the point, entirely!).....
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Can you tell me if he used this, or one already built? Yeah, neither could that engineer
I can tell you with absolute certainty, based on this photo:
That what you posted, is not what is in the photograph. Seriously, just stop. AND HOW IRONIC THAT HIS "CLOCK" HAPPENED TO GO OFF DURING A CLASS!!!!!!!
Seriously, the fact that you think this way....on an every day basis, really and truly scares me.
And actually, if you watched the entire video, that engineer broke down how they were manufactured parts that were not what someone who built a clock from scratch would use.
But that's just racist to think that a 14 y/o Muslim would not have the skill to build a circuit board that looked just like those coming off an assebly line. ::eye roll::
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This is a great example of people jumping to conclusions without having enough information to make an informed decision.
From what I can gather the kid did not build a clock at all. We do not know the entire story because the school and police are not at liberty to discuss any of it. Is it possible the kids crossed the line which forced the school/authorities to lead the kid out in cuffs? There is usually not much leeway in these situations...if the kid does X...Y is gonna happen. If the reports are true that the parent have refused to allow a full accounting of the situation to be released by the school...then I think it is reasonable to believe they have something to hide. With the narrative going their way...I guess that is the best tack to take.
It's a shame that this kid is getting so much attention for really having done nothing but take an old clock apart and place it in a box. Now this lazy kid is the recipient of undeserved fame.
What do you base the claim "he did not build a clock" on?
I have no clue, but this guy who sounds pretty credible suggests a) Mohamed didn't invent anything and b) he didn't even build anything. He could be wrong of course, but this kind of thing was the crux of the hoax questions combined with his comments and behavior
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So, this story about a 14 year old boy in Texas that was arrested on suspicion of creating a bomb hoax (who, apparently just wanted to show off his latest electronics project to his teachers) that has blown up (no pun intended) all over the news and social media, caught my attention immediately. Not because of his race, or his religion, the seeming absurdity of the situation, the emotionally charged photo of a young boy in a NASA t-shirt being led off in hand cuffs, the hash tags, the presidential response… no, none of that. I’m an electronics geek. I was interested in the clock! I wanted to figure out what he had come up with.
I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this – there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock. Now, before I go on and get accused of attacking a 14 year old kid who’s already been through enough, let me explain my purpose. I don’t want to just dissect the clock. I want to dissect our reaction as a society to the situation. Part of that is the knee-jerk responses we’re all so quick to make without facts. So, before you scroll down and leave me angry comments, please continue to the end (or not – prove my point, and miss the point, entirely!).....
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.....So I turned to eBay, searching for vintage alarm clocks. It only took a minute to locate Ahmed’s clock. See this eBay listing, up at the time of this writing. Amhed’s clock was invented, and built, by Micronta, a Radio Shack subsidary. Catalog number 63 765.
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PJ, I don't think the kid has ever said he invented something, he claimed he just built a clock. Maybe he did use some components from older clocks, but that does not mean he took an older clock apart and then put the disassembled parts in a case
or visa versa.
I hope you did really well on your Math section of SATs because your reading comprehension and your analysis of logic stinks...by a lot.
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The point is that the fact that may be an older board does not prove that he just dissembled something and tried to pass it off as his own. It would have to be examined in person, not via one photograph over the internet
or visa versa.
That's fair, I agree with that. And I have to say the breakdown the guy gives over that being a disassembled clock is a good one. I just think until its all proven one way or another you have to give the kid the benefit of the doubt
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The point is that the fact that may be an older board does not prove that he just dissembled something and tried to pass it off as his own. It would have to be examined in person, not via one photograph over the internet
I hope you did really well on your Math section of SATs because your reading comprehension and your analysis of logic stinks...by a lot.
Oh please spare my your asinine childish jabs...fucking idiot
Ahmed claimed he built a clock and wanted to show it to his teacher. the tech guy (and others) online who have seen pictures refute this claim (albeit their word is not gospel to me) but I think may probably be true.
he was also referred to as a boy genius inventor by the media (which I think came from his father)
Ahmed claimed he built a clock and wanted to show it to his teacher. the tech guy (and others) online who have seen pictures refute this claim (albeit their word is not gospel to me) but I think may probably be true.
he was also referred to as a boy genius inventor by the media (which I think came from his father)
No question the media was trying to sensationalize this which is deplorable
He actually plugged it in and set the alarm to go off during class?
Police described Ahmed as being “passive aggressive” in his answers to their questions, and didn’t have a “reasonable answer” as to what he was doing with the case. Was his behavior consistent with wanting to provoke a response by Irving authorities?
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The point is that the fact that may be an older board does not prove that he just dissembled something and tried to pass it off as his own. It would have to be examined in person, not via one photograph over the internet
or visa versa.
That's fair, I agree with that. And I have to say the breakdown the guy gives over that being a disassembled clock is a good one. I just think until its all proven one way or another you have to give the kid the benefit of the doubt
Problem is in this day and age, you can't, and that sucks.
Common sense isn't common anymore.
There isn't a prevision for letting a teacher or administrator making a decision. Once the police are involved, that policy must be followed.
Any deviation and the lawyers have a field day.
As Brett opined earlier, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Just the reality of where we are at as a society.
Well, this (former) engineer can tell you that he didn't use what you posted. That's an Arduino kit. No later than 2007.
And if you're going to build a clock, there are far easier and "cooler" ways than buying "used circuit boards." And if you're going to prototype from scratch, I doubt that you'd bother with silk screening.
But of course, no amount of facts is ever enough to convince montanagiant that he's wrong.
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The point is that the fact that may be an older board does not prove that he just dissembled something and tried to pass it off as his own. It would have to be examined in person, not via one photograph over the internet
I hope you did really well on your Math section of SATs because your reading comprehension and your analysis of logic stinks...by a lot.
Oh please spare my your asinine childish jabs...fucking idiot
Yea Im the fucking idiot. Coming from the douche will almost assuredly blame the establishment for not having proticol in place when the next little prick comes in with a pencil case (who even uses those anymore, since like the early 90s?) with wires hanging out of it. That device goes off, and then you get to blame whoever was in charge.
Fuck YOU montana. I prefer to try and combat things like Colombine and Sandy Hook BEFORE they happen. You self righteous, liberal spitting piece of country cow dung. Fuck you and your judgemental view of me.
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Can you tell me if he used this, or one already built? Yeah, neither could that engineer
Well, this (former) engineer can tell you that he didn't use what you posted. That's an Arduino kit. No later than 2007.
And if you're going to build a clock, there are far easier and "cooler" ways than buying "used circuit boards." And if you're going to prototype from scratch, I doubt that you'd bother with silk screening.
But of course, no amount of facts is ever enough to convince montanagiant that he's wrong.
LOL...okay I may be wrong, did that help you, that make you feel better? You say that there are other ways of building a clock, you may be 100% correct but that does not prove he did not build that way. Your wanting to claim he is guilty and you actually have nothing to say that yet other then the opinion of one person on the internet. Last I looked, its not up to this kid to prove his innocence, its up to people like you to prove him guilty, that has not come close to happening. So don't get upset with me that you can't do that.
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In comment 12504737 montanagiant said:
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The point is that the fact that may be an older board does not prove that he just dissembled something and tried to pass it off as his own. It would have to be examined in person, not via one photograph over the internet
or visa versa.
That's fair, I agree with that. And I have to say the breakdown the guy gives over that being a disassembled clock is a good one. I just think until its all proven one way or another you have to give the kid the benefit of the doubt
Problem is in this day and age, you can't, and that sucks.
Common sense isn't common anymore.
There isn't a prevision for letting a teacher or administrator making a decision. Once the police are involved, that policy must be followed.
Any deviation and the lawyers have a field day.
As Brett opined earlier, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Just the reality of where we are at as a society.
I think the School was 100% correct in how they handled this (other then maybe the suspension). i feel the Police may have been over the line though.
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Can you tell me if he used this, or one already built? Yeah, neither could that engineer
Well, this (former) engineer can tell you that he didn't use what you posted. That's an Arduino kit. No later than 2007.
And if you're going to build a clock, there are far easier and "cooler" ways than buying "used circuit boards." And if you're going to prototype from scratch, I doubt that you'd bother with silk screening.
But of course, no amount of facts is ever enough to convince montanagiant that he's wrong.
LOL...okay I may be wrong, did that help you, that make you feel better? You say that there are other ways of building a clock, you may be 100% correct but that does not prove he did not build that way. Your wanting to claim he is guilty and you actually have nothing to say that yet other then the opinion of one person on the internet. Last I looked, its not up to this kid to prove his innocence, its up to people like you to prove him guilty, that has not come close to happening. So don't get upset with me that you can't do that.
Yup. Thanks. You're awesome.
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Can you tell me if he used this, or one already built? Yeah, neither could that engineer
Well, this (former) engineer can tell you that he didn't use what you posted. That's an Arduino kit. No later than 2007.
And if you're going to build a clock, there are far easier and "cooler" ways than buying "used circuit boards." And if you're going to prototype from scratch, I doubt that you'd bother with silk screening.
But of course, no amount of facts is ever enough to convince montanagiant that he's wrong.
LOL...okay I may be wrong, did that help you, that make you feel better? You say that there are other ways of building a clock, you may be 100% correct but that does not prove he did not build that way. Your wanting to claim he is guilty and you actually have nothing to say that yet other then the opinion of one person on the internet. Last I looked, its not up to this kid to prove his innocence, its up to people like you to prove him guilty, that has not come close to happening. So don't get upset with me that you can't do that.
Yup. Thanks. You're awesome.
Yes I am