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Offense Playing In a Box

Old Dirty Beckham : 9/25/2015 10:58 am
With the running game struggling and Odell our only threat I am concerned about the lack of big plays the offense is producing.

They're not even looking to throw the ball down field. We need Cruz back and we need an effective Cruz. It's easy for teams to keep Odell in front of them right now.

Hopefully the run game continues as the team rounds into form. Less than 3 yard per carry is not going to cut it.
They were worried about the OL.  
Enoch : 9/25/2015 11:00 am : link
WAS has some talent at the edge-rushing positions, and the Giants had 2 backup OTs out there. Keeping to mostly short stuff was how the Giants protected their Tackles.
The gameplan was pretty obvious  
dep026 : 9/25/2015 11:01 am : link
short passing game was our run game. Whats the difference if we run for 4 yards or throw for it. They were playing off the WRs and doubling OBJ. Eli took what they gave them. We had a ton of 3rd and 3s and shorter which is ideal for the offense. Plus, we all know the defense is struggling so TOP was key.

Offensive game plan was fine. And looked what happened in the 4th quarter. We hit Donnell up the seam for a big play. OBJ got a long TD, as did Randle. McAdoo got exactly what he wanted last night from the offense. Our run game blows, and going up a good front 7 was not going to make it better.
I am worried about finishing, not  
jvm52106 : 9/25/2015 11:02 am : link
about the offense in general. I think with Cruz coming back we will have a legit slot guy which would leave OBJ and RR more space to work outside and should free up Vereen more as well.
They picked their spots to go downfield  
JonC : 9/25/2015 11:03 am : link
They're protecting against the OL injuries.

Now, McAdoo's calls were maddeningly weak on a number of occasions, but you're missing the big picture.
They are not throwing deep  
nygiants16 : 9/25/2015 11:04 am : link
because teams are backing off and playing cover 2 so they can double Beckham...

Eli is being smart and taking what the defense gives them...

With the threat that Beckham is, defenses have to back off and their safeties are staying deep...

You saw as soon as Eli got 1 on 1 coverage deep he threw it deep.
It's all related  
Old Dirty Beckham : 9/25/2015 11:05 am : link
Yes, I understood the game plan but against better defense they are going to have to find ways to get big chunks of yards.

Starts with the running game becoming a factor. There is no play action game to speak of.
Yeah, you wanted to scream on some of the two-yard passes . . .  
TheManUpstairs : 9/25/2015 11:05 am : link
. . . but someone has it right above. WAS can rush the passer. Short drops; quick passes; they can't. Getting some breaks and the lead early helped a LOT.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/25/2015 11:07 am : link
a healthy Cruz (pray he's anywhere near his former self) will make a tremendous difference.
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JonC : 9/25/2015 11:08 am : link
Correct, when the Skins were in zone the passing game was scaled back, and in man coverage they went downfield after the matchups they had in advantage.
Eli had his best season with no running game to speak of  
nygiants16 : 9/25/2015 11:09 am : link
Eli is being smart and just taking what the defense gives him...

If he was throwing deep and into double coverage you would be screaming for him to stop doing it..

He is picking his spots...it is hard to go deep to your WRs when teams are playing Cover 2 and taking away the deep play..
RE: It's all related  
gmen9892 : 9/25/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12508130 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Yes, I understood the game plan but against better defense they are going to have to find ways to get big chunks of yards.

Starts with the running game becoming a factor. There is no play action game to speak of.


Missing their best run-blocking LT in Flowers which also led to Jerry being in there, who is a TERRIBLE run blocker. Also went against a stout defense.

Going against another one next weekend, so it would be nice to get Flowers back healthy along with Pugh at LG. Upgrades two spots.
RE: The gameplan was pretty obvious  
Les in TO : 9/25/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12508116 dep026 said:
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short passing game was our run game. Whats the difference if we run for 4 yards or throw for it. They were playing off the WRs and doubling OBJ. Eli took what they gave them. We had a ton of 3rd and 3s and shorter which is ideal for the offense. Plus, we all know the defense is struggling so TOP was key.

Offensive game plan was fine. And looked what happened in the 4th quarter. We hit Donnell up the seam for a big play. OBJ got a long TD, as did Randle. McAdoo got exactly what he wanted last night from the offense. Our run game blows, and going up a good front 7 was not going to make it better.
+1
RE: 16  
nygiants16 : 9/25/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12508146 JonC said:
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Correct, when the Skins were in zone the passing game was scaled back, and in man coverage they went downfield after the matchups they had in advantage.


It is just obvious to see, i was watching the game and if the Giants were throwing you knew when they were going to go short and when they had an oppurtunity to go deep...

On the Beckham TD, they had 1 safety deep and as soon as he bit, Eli threw it deep..

on the Randle TD they had 1 on 1 on the outside and he threw it deep...

When there are 2 deep safeties it is much harder to go deep..
OL can't pass block well enough to throw deep  
arniefez : 9/25/2015 11:12 am : link
OL can't run block well enough to run the ball effectively. So the only thing they can do is move the ball with short passes. Hopefully as teams start to try and take that away they can get over the top a few times a game.
RE: ...  
clatterbuck : 9/25/2015 11:15 am : link
In comment 12508142 Eric from BBI said:
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a healthy Cruz (pray he's anywhere near his former self) will make a tremendous difference.


Amen.
I thought that we ran the ball more effectively last night  
yatqb : 9/25/2015 11:16 am : link
than the stats would tell us. We were fairly balanced, enough that Eli's play action drew in a LB and opened up the throw to Donnell for the big first down.

The Skins were putting everyone in the box on those last few series, knowing we were just going to run to run time off the clock. No way we were opening a hole there unless we had John Hannah and Orlando Pace blocking for us.
RE: It's all related  
Les in TO : 9/25/2015 11:38 am : link
In comment 12508130 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Yes, I understood the game plan but against better defense they are going to have to find ways to get big chunks of yards.

Starts with the running game becoming a factor. There is no play action game to speak of.


I disagree that the offense needs to get big chunks of yards....if the defense is playing cover two on first down and letting the giants get short passes for 4-5 yards to avoid a deep pass to beckham, you take that everytime. 2nd and 5 gives you a lot of playcalling options.

remember the Monday night game when the giants played in indy against the colts and peyton manning kept on handing off because the giants were in nickel/dime defenses to prevent big passing plays? it was death by 1,000 cuts, but it was done to perfection. indy controlled the clock, wore down our defense and eli never got into a rhythm on offense. and then when we started to cheat up against the run, peyton unleashed an aerial assault.
Eli and the offense  
djm : 9/25/2015 11:40 am : link
have typically started the season somewhat slowly. Factor in the Flowers/Cruz injury and it's no surprise they haven't hit their stride yet.

NExt week in Buffalo would be a good time to start but their D can play. O needs to bring their A game for that one.
one area of improvement  
Les in TO : 9/25/2015 11:41 am : link
is the blitz pickup on third and long obvious passing situations. we've trended towards quick, short, safe dump offs that have little chance of getting first downs. I'd like to see the blitz recognition improve so Eli has more time to go through his reads
RE: The gameplan was pretty obvious  
Montreal Man : 9/25/2015 11:43 am : link
In comment 12508116 dep026 said:
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short passing game was our run game. Whats the difference if we run for 4 yards or throw for it.


Right. I remember reading some years ago, when the West Coast offense was being discussed a lot because of Walsh's success with the Niners, Walsh said the short passes are our running game. You get the yards however you can.
We are probably  
giantgiantfan : 9/25/2015 12:24 pm : link
going to see a similar game plan against Buffalo. How has that new QB of theirs looked? He's showed up in the stats sheet but I have no idea about his game.
i hate the WCO  
area junc : 9/25/2015 12:37 pm : link
and I have not been impressed with McAdoo so far.

that said, this system relies on talent at the skill positions to turn short passes into long gains.

right now, we do not have enough talent at the skill spots. Similar to Spags not having the horses on D, McAdoo doesn't have them on O. Eric's right, getting Cruz back is huge. We've gotten nothing from the slot WR yet and that is a huge impact position in the WCO.
Can't have it both ways.  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/25/2015 12:48 pm : link
People asked for Eli to stop taking chances and cut down the interceptions.

Well his QBR is up, his completion percentage is up, his interceptions are way way down.

I'm sorry but Eli was like a surgeon last night. How many different targets were there? He did so very quickly as well since he doesn't get much time in the pocket. Slice and dice, dink and dunk, shake and bake, whatever your flavor. That's the new offense now. The important thing is that when they gave him the one on one looks, he took the shot and capitalized on them.
I was surprised, not only did they go long,  
Doomster : 9/25/2015 1:03 pm : link
but they they went long to Randle of all people....especially are two failed runs...
The complaining about Gilbride not adjusting and accounting for the  
Devon : 9/25/2015 1:18 pm : link
OL was through the roof to the end of his tenure. 2013, by itself, turned him into a pariah and complete hapless moron on BBI.

Now the OC is adjusting and accounting for an OL that they clearly don't feel good about (which is made worse by a lack of quality skill player talent), trying not to leave his QB out to dry, and people don't like that either.

McAdoo might be best served to play it slightly less conservative, given how terrible the TE situation is, but he's pretty much doing or trying to do exactly what almost everyone once wanted.
RE: We are probably  
Simms11 : 9/25/2015 2:20 pm : link
In comment 12508437 giantgiantfan said:
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going to see a similar game plan against Buffalo. How has that new QB of theirs looked? He's showed up in the stats sheet but I have no idea about his game.


He doesn't look bad, however he had three turnovers in the Patriots game which contributed to the Pats kicking their ass. he is also athletic and can run with the ball. another dimension that we could not handle last year. It will be interesting to see how Spags defends him, especially with more athletic LBers.
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