Whitlock...I just can't get enough

last week. Olineman were getting tired in the 4th and his speed there was an asset. He probably would not have the same success in the first half, but just an opinion.

...how likely is it that in many cases, the OL man doesn't even know who he's lined up against? For example, if he's just about to get into position at the line and not looking directly at his DL counterpart, and then the defense gets into position and places Whitlock on the line... isn't it possible the guard/center wouldn't even know it's him, aside from the change in height?

In comment 12512709 Simms11 said:

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last week. Olineman were getting tired in the 4th and his speed there was an asset. He probably would not have the same success in the first half, but just an opinion.

Good post. Agreed. Not that you insinuated otherwise, but he still has value as a late-in-the-game pass rusher if this is the case.

But late in games in specific spots when the other team is obviously passing? Sure, why not?

"real " pass rushers generated.

which to me means he's earned the right for more reps in all 3, until he shows otherwise.

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too slow to play LB? A classic SLB seems like it might be a good fit for him (I know we have Kennard playing that role)?

Regardless of whether Whitlock has a future at DT, I applaud the coaching staff for giving him a try there on Thursday night. He made a few plays, got a couple of pressures, which made this a successful move.

I don't know if he will ever execute another spin move in his life, but I like that the coaching staff noticed that this kid could be an asset there and was willing to try it out. It is a very Bill Belichick-type approach. Utilizing the 53 guys you have on the roster to the best of your ability.

I feel like this is one of Spags' specialties as we saw him get a lot of guys like Gibril Wilson, Michael Johnson, Kawicka Mitchell, etc. This is what good coaches do. It is a real pleasure to have him back in the fold.

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Does anyone know if he can catch? I don't recall him being thrown to at any point yet during the first 3 games. Just wondering of he could be used that way, or as a short yardage back for that matter.

In comment 12512766 Trainmaster said:

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too slow to play LB? A classic SLB seems like it might be a good fit for him (I know we have Kennard playing that role)?

One guy here that knows Whitlock says the dude is closer to 5'7" than the listed 5'10". And Kennard has been our best player on D through the 1st 3 games - except maybe DRC (when healthy.)

Also some guys just thrive in a close environment ("in a phone booth" guys like Sy call it). So he might not be suited to LB play for more reasons than size.

Still, interesting idea to try him out somewhere on D in a a more full time role.

Collins is sorting through rookie angst and is improving before our eyes. Unga is about to take Beason's job. Wynn has continued to perform well in both phases.

Coaching matters and Spags is doing what perry couldn't, identifying roles and getting players in position to succeed by capitalizing on their strengths.

In comment 12512888 BlueLou said:

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One guy here that knows Whitlock says the dude is closer to 5'7" than the listed 5'10".

He measured in a quarter inch under 5'10" (5096) and 251 lbs at the 2014 NFL Combine.

Clearly the Giants only trust him on defense when it's an obvious passing down and his only job is to go after the QB.

In comment 12512907 Milton said:

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In comment 12512888 BlueLou said: Quote: One guy here that knows Whitlock says the dude is closer to 5'7" than the listed 5'10". He measured in a quarter inch under 5'10" (5096) and 251 lbs at the 2014 NFL Combine.

Hi Milton! That's closer to a half inch less than 5'10" than a quarter inch, but why nitpick? Clearly he's not 5'7" like the asshat said...

Unless he had lifts in his trainers?

If the guy can get a consistent pass rush push or slip gaps, yes that's probably how he'll be used on D. Simms was gushing about him as a blocking FB...

1) It proves it was not just for novelty purposes that they played him at DT for some of the pre-season

2) The staff deserves credit for being open minded enough to play him there in a real game

3) The staff deserves credit for picking a smart spot to give this a try. If nothing else, this past week the staff, all around, has shown a willingness to think differently, adapt, adjust, and experiment. That is the case with cutting Parker, playing Jennings up the middle on the PR team, Whitlock at DT, get Randle involved early, etc.

4) The staff deserves credit for selecting Whitlock of Hynoski.

5) Above all else, Whitlock deserves credit for being able to make an impact in all areas of the game and willing to do so. I'd actually like to see more of him in the offensive sets. We haven't run very many plays per game with a traditional FB/HB set.

since Refrigerator Perry, don'tcha think?

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Hi Milton! That's closer to a half inch less than 5'10" than a quarter inch, but why nitpick?

In combine lingo, 5096 means five foot nine and six eighths.

Check out his interview from today. Only makes him more likeable.
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In comment 12513000 armstead98 said:

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Check out his interview from today. Only makes him more likeable. Link - ( New Window )

Very impressive!

in passing situations that's a huge plus.

In comment 12512957 Milton said:

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In comment 12512921 BlueLou said: Quote: Hi Milton! That's closer to a half inch less than 5'10" than a quarter inch, but why nitpick? In combine lingo, 5096 means five foot nine and six eighths.

6/8s? WTF? I thought it meant 0.6 inches! No wonder I never saw a guy listed as 5099...

Hard nosed dude. Just like his name-sake ...



He looks good playing on the D-line. I just don't want to see too much of it. One hundred pounds is too much to give up.

he's 245 now.

In comment 12512931 manh george said:

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since Refrigerator Perry, don'tcha think?

Wellllll... I think J.J. Watt's been better on both sides of the ball.

if he that quick and powerful. Too short for any type of coverage but sideline to sideline after the ball carrier would be interesting to see. Spagnuolo has proven he is innovative in using what he is given. Should be interesting.

In comment 12512921 BlueLou said:

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In comment 12512907 Milton said: Quote: In comment 12512888 BlueLou said: Quote: One guy here that knows Whitlock says the dude is closer to 5'7" than the listed 5'10". He measured in a quarter inch under 5'10" (5096) and 251 lbs at the 2014 NFL Combine. Hi Milton! That's closer to a half inch less than 5'10" than a quarter inch, but why nitpick? Clearly he's not 5'7" like the asshat said... Unless he had lifts in his trainers? If the guy can get a consistent pass rush push or slip gaps, yes that's probably how he'll be used on D. Simms was gushing about him as a blocking FB...

I'm the asshat ... I've stood next to him numerous times and there is no way he is 5'10" ... maybe with shoes on or if they were measuring with the afro he used to have. I would say 5'8" max is his true doctor's office height.

In any event, to address other issues on this thread, he is just as good against the run as the pass. He is not a gimmick, he is a really, really good all-around defensive lineman. As mentioned by the FSU O-line coach in that article from yesterday's Post, he is basically unblockable. Other than those who had to try to block him in college, no NFL offense lineman has ever had to try to block someone with his combination of strength, speed, and low center of gravity. He is like the Tasmanian Devil.

That said, I wouldn't put him at LB. He has never played in space and can't really cover. Plus, a lot of his advantage comes from the leverage he gets from being close to the blocker trying to keep him away. He can get lower than the Olineman and is usually faster and stronger than they are, so his leverage allows him to use their own positioning against them to get by them via spin moves or a move where he basically crawls on the ground and pops up on the other side. I'm not sure he can do that with more open space between blockers.

In comment 12513146 TMS said:

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Too short for any type of coverage but sideline to sideline after the ball carrier would be interesting to see.

In other words, he'd be a liability.

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Spagnuolo has proven he is innovative in using what he is given. Should be interesting.

I think the innovation begins and ends with using Whitlock as a 3-technique on passing downs. The interesting thing going forward will be to see if Whitlock's use at DT extends beyond 4th quarter double digit leads.

but I'm pretty sure I was kidding about Refrigerator Perry. I'll get back to you on that.

Does sound like the time to use him (considering how inept our defense has been). A fresh change-of-pace weapon, just when the offense least expects it would probably yield excellent results.

In comment 12513155 NYGinNC said:

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In comment 12512921 BlueLou said: Quote: In comment 12512907 Milton said: Quote: In comment 12512888 BlueLou said: Quote: One guy here that knows Whitlock says the dude is closer to 5'7" than the listed 5'10". He measured in a quarter inch under 5'10" (5096) and 251 lbs at the 2014 NFL Combine. Hi Milton! That's closer to a half inch less than 5'10" than a quarter inch, but why nitpick? Clearly he's not 5'7" like the asshat said... Unless he had lifts in his trainers? If the guy can get a consistent pass rush push or slip gaps, yes that's probably how he'll be used on D. Simms was gushing about him as a blocking FB... I'm the asshat ... I've stood next to him numerous times and there is no way he is 5'10" ... maybe with shoes on or if they were measuring with the afro he used to have. I would say 5'8" max is his true doctor's office height. In any event, to address other issues on this thread, he is just as good against the run as the pass. He is not a gimmick, he is a really, really good all-around defensive lineman. As mentioned by the FSU O-line coach in that article from yesterday's Post, he is basically unblockable. Other than those who had to try to block him in college, no NFL offense lineman has ever had to try to block someone with his combination of strength, speed, and low center of gravity. He is like the Tasmanian Devil. That said, I wouldn't put him at LB. He has never played in space and can't really cover. Plus, a lot of his advantage comes from the leverage he gets from being close to the blocker trying to keep him away. He can get lower than the Olineman and is usually faster and stronger than they are, so his leverage allows him to use their own positioning against them to get by them via spin moves or a move where he basically crawls on the ground and pops up on the other side. I'm not sure he can do that with more open space between blockers.

Hey tanks for chiming in, but how does a guy fake his height at the Combine? Did he even attend the combine? There are no stats from the combine for him from any event.

So maybe that's a pro day measurement? I've linked his pro day results according to nfl draft scout, trust those as you want, but the 43 reps at 225 benching I've found mentioned in other articles, too.
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...he was measured at the combine but didn't work out.
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There is no debate on this point.

Love him playing some DL. We need to see more of it.

He was suspended by the league last year. At the time of his suspension, he was two weeks removed from being released from Dallas's practice squad. He was signed to the Giants practice squad following the suspension.

No details on why he was suspended. Steroids is the likely culprit. If it was something like weed I think it would have to already be the third strike for a 4 game suspension to be imposed (but don't quote me on that).

See what the asshat above posted (NYGinNC)... Swears Whitlock is 5'8" or closer to that than 5'10". Says he's stood next to him several times.

Milton I think that's a pro day measurement assigned backwards to the combine. Can't find a thing about Whitlock actually attending the combine not even at nfl.com.

Or the guys estimate is off.

They measures him down to the 1/8" with no shoes on. I'd say that ends the debate on his height, doesn't it?

In comment 12513160 manh george said:

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but I'm pretty sure I was kidding about Refrigerator Perry. I'll get back to you on that.

Are you sure?

what kind of receiver he is.

Would love to see him more in the running game. They need that lead blocker to help get this running game going. Donnell is not helping, that's for sure.

But at 245, he's about the size of most high school defensive tackles.

Forget linebacker, at his height.

Nice story, though. (He's probably very quick and with his strength, he would surely be an excellent option on some short yardage plays, from fullback).

In comment 12513155 NYGinNC said:

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In comment 12512921 BlueLou said: Quote: In comment 12512907 Milton said: Good post on his technique and ability to use his skills to his advantage on bigger OL. Quote: In comment 12512888 BlueLou said: Quote: One guy here that knows Whitlock says the dude is closer to 5'7" than the listed 5'10". He measured in a quarter inch under 5'10" (5096) and 251 lbs at the 2014 NFL Combine. Hi Milton! That's closer to a half inch less than 5'10" than a quarter inch, but why nitpick? Clearly he's not 5'7" like the asshat said... Unless he had lifts in his trainers? If the guy can get a consistent pass rush push or slip gaps, yes that's probably how he'll be used on D. Simms was gushing about him as a blocking FB... I'm the asshat ... I've stood next to him numerous times and there is no way he is 5'10" ... maybe with shoes on or if they were measuring with the afro he used to have. I would say 5'8" max is his true doctor's office height. In any event, to address other issues on this thread, he is just as good against the run as the pass. He is not a gimmick, he is a really, really good all-around defensive lineman. As mentioned by the FSU O-line coach in that article from yesterday's Post, he is basically unblockable. Other than those who had to try to block him in college, no NFL offense lineman has ever had to try to block someone with his combination of strength, speed, and low center of gravity. He is like the Tasmanian Devil. That said, I wouldn't put him at LB. He has never played in space and can't really cover. Plus, a lot of his advantage comes from the leverage he gets from being close to the blocker trying to keep him away. He can get lower than the Olineman and is usually faster and stronger than they are, so his leverage allows him to use their own positioning against them to get by them via spin moves or a move where he basically crawls on the ground and pops up on the other side. I'm not sure he can do that with more open space between blockers.