7 catches, 139 yards and a TD tonight...
On pace for: 64 catches, 1168 yards, 21 TDs.
I normally don't hop on these type of bandwagons, but everyone on this board knew it was a bad move the second Jones was cut. It's kinda depressing to see the numbers he put up tonight.
I saw his comments on the Giants organization. The guy's all class. Good for him, but I wish he was still on our team.
But Jones wanted to be in GB instead as it turned out.
Would suck if we finish one game out of the NFC East title.
Eric I agree with most of your takes but this one is quite amateur hour if you ask me. Finishing 1 game out because we didn't keep James Jones? How many injuries, plays throughout the season, etc happen in order for a team to lose out on the playoff race? You guys need to let this go and move on.
Agreed, huge drops for sure. But the overall arch of the game told a different story. We had both games won, and lost them, not necessarily because of those drops.
he would've lite a fire under Randle for that 3rd slot wr. It would've been a positive. Keeping Randle on call.
Have to? No. But is there something wrong with a poster wanting to discuss the wisdom of front office moves? No. Every week? It depends. After a relevant event such as a 100yd game by the player in question? Sure.
Good idea, move on. Others would like to discuss it.
I'd have a hard time believing this wasn't largely Coughlin. Not just because I think he's the one who comes up with the cuts (albeit having to vet them through the rest of the FO first), but in particular because this is a WR. Coughlin has always been credited for his work and influence on the WRs, I'd have a hard time accepting that Parker was somehow forced on him over Jones.
This always amazes me. A dozen things go wrong that could have changed the course of a game, and posters here latch on to their pet theories on which ones actually did the deed and dismiss anyone who suggests that the other ones were important and could also have changed the game. Its SOP on BBI
It's not just that...it's the fact that we knew we weren't going to have Cruz at the start of the season....we still don't know if we will have him for the next game, and how many weeks will it take before he becomes a factor in the games? Randle wasn't playing in preseason, and Parker did nothing in preseason, to make himself stand out...
I have no idea of what was going on in practice.....did Parker look that good or was he dropping balls then?
Once again, the Giants denied Eli a weapon he could have used in the first two games....who is to say if Jones had a couple good games, that Randle wouldn't be starting? And with some competition in front of him, maybe it would have lit a fire under his arse?
And while Randle had a good last game, he still doesn't look right out there....when your knees are bad you don't practice hard, or train hard.....he still looks slow out there......I feel like games like the last one may be far and few between....
As for Reese, he knew the Packers were desperate for a receiver....could have easily received a draft pick for him....
The assumption Jones would end up 4th on the chart is unfounded. We play tons of 3 WR sets, the XY & Z are "first" on the chart, and it's painfully obvious Randal was not 100% the first two weeks. Add Macadoo's comments about WRs knowing all the routes and it's pretty damn safe to assume cutting Jones led to at least one loss.
We aren't running a charity, we're running a football team. This was a bad call anyway you slice it.
And deservedly so.
Most likely the coaches.
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that made the decision to cut Jones. Not to berate the bastid, I'd just like to know what he was thinking and how did he evaluate his WR's.
I'd have a hard time believing this wasn't largely Coughlin. Not just because I think he's the one who comes up with the cuts (albeit having to vet them through the rest of the FO first), but in particular because this is a WR. Coughlin has always been credited for his work and influence on the WRs, I'd have a hard time accepting that Parker was somehow forced on him over Jones.
p.s.-- How many of you remember when George Young kept Stan White over Tommy Maddox against the wishes of Dan Reeves?
I don't know what Jones' chances were going into the Jets game but once the pick six happened I knew he was gone. Someone Must Be Blamed.
Would suck if we finish one game out of the NFC East title.
Yeah, who gives a fuck what he wanted! It's not like he is a veteran who could have been very impressionable on a young receiving corps and could have soured the entire unit.
You really want a 4th string player (assumption was Cruz was not going to be out this long, nor that Randle's issues would continue to linger) that could cause that much contention? Really? Yes, he would have helped the team, if he was actually committed to it. He was not. This discussion is nauseating at this point.
But the whole "He'd only be our #4 WR so who cares" idea is ridiculous. The same people who bitch about the absurd amount of injuries this team has suffered really can't understand why a talented backup might be necessary for the Giants? He would've seen the field plenty. All it would take is Cruz's knee to flare up, Beckham's hamstring to get tweaked or Randle's arthritic knee to worsen.
The 4th receiver on this team has tremendous value. In fact, our former 4th WR (Parker) is probably the player most responsible for our first two losses. This isn't much ado about nothing. There have been tangible, obvious negative impacts as a result of this decision.
It's not just that...it's the fact that we knew we weren't going to have Cruz at the start of the season....we still don't know if we will have him for the next game, and how many weeks will it take before he becomes a factor in the games? Randle wasn't playing in preseason, and Parker did nothing in preseason, to make himself stand out...
I have no idea of what was going on in practice.....did Parker look that good or was he dropping balls then?
Once again, the Giants denied Eli a weapon he could have used in the first two games....who is to say if Jones had a couple good games, that Randle wouldn't be starting? And with some competition in front of him, maybe it would have lit a fire under his arse?
And while Randle had a good last game, he still doesn't look right out there....when your knees are bad you don't practice hard, or train hard.....he still looks slow out there......I feel like games like the last one may be far and few between....
As for Reese, he knew the Packers were desperate for a receiver....could have easily received a draft pick for him....
"Could have easily received a draft pick for him."
Sure. Piece of cake. Sigh.
James Jones tied for 2nd in NFL with 4 TD catches (Julio, Cobb, Benjamin) behind Larry Fitzgerald's 5.
Has 12 catches, 219 yards.
James Jones tied for 2nd in NFL with 4 TD catches (Julio, Cobb, Benjamin) behind Larry Fitzgerald's 5.
Has 12 catches, 219 yards.
Heck of a start for him. Wish TC had seen the potential
sooo, that's why it's being reported that Giants are working out Nicks, Welker, and others....?
"So coach, did you happen to see James Jones' performance this week?" LOL
look at all the quarterbacks that have gone down and young players that are coming thru on defense. Are you so awesome at your job that you can judge others.Mistakes are made but is your glass half empty or half full? Big waste of time and counterproductive.
Well if you read this whole thread, you would've found out that no they really didn't afterall.
Do any of you even read? James Jones was not cut, perse, he basically asked for his release because he knew what the Giants already had in OBJ, Randle & Cruz... you all can stop it now with the James Jones nonsense. Jones wanted to be a bigger part of the offense, a role for him, not taking back seat to the other 3 guys. Get over it.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/09/james_jones_tells_the_mmqb_he_basically_asked_the.html
NYG took a calculated risk that teams take every year, and it failed in this instance in the short term, at least. It's in the past with no ability to change it, energy is better spent on the Buffalo Bills.
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the team let Jones go because he asked to be released
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Who cares if he wanted to be here or not? If had played for Parker - like he should have - we might be 2-1 or 3-0.
Would suck if we finish one game out of the NFC East title.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but people don't want to hear the slot argument, but it's real. GB had Jordy Nelson go down, he's an outside WR, James Jones is playing that position, Randall Cobb is their slot WR.
On the Giants it would have meant move Beckham inside to the slot, or play Jones there (or makes Jones the 4th WR and play Parker there) so rewriting history to say the Giants would have any different record is complete speculation.
I'm not saying they should have let Jones go, it was a bad decision but I understand why they did it and comparing GB to the NYG isn't a fair comparison, the personnel is just different making Jones fit in seamlessly.
I think the Giants expected Cruz back sooner when they made the cuts. in which case as I've and other have maintained all along it would have been play Randle or Jones. and that's exactly how Jones interpreted the situation.
it's time to move on. Just like when you asked after the Dallas loss to Atlanta how do we feel now and I said it makes the first two losses sting a little, I was chastised on here and everyone unanimously attacked me ans said you can't live in the past - we need to move forward, we can't here either. Every James Jones catch, TD or 100 yard game is no reason to rehash the same tired conversations.
The Giants made a mistake, but I at least understand their thinking when they did it.
Indeed.now granted..when we signed JJ,I I editable thought Parker was on his way out from then. One major point you made that I want to reiterate on his It's quite obvious The Giants thought Cruz would be back sooner. I bet JJ did as well,which is why he knew he would be the 4th WR at best. With the opportunity to make a difference on GB and possibly get one more contract (remember he's 31) he also asked for his release (The way it was presented to us,it was a mutual decision)
Now maybe I'm wrong (I was out the country when the rosters were set) and Maybe Giants brass already knew Cruz was not going to play week one. If that's the case,it changes my whole outlook on the situation.
Regardless....we have to move on.
*ducks!*
...signed BBI mouthbreathers.
He's now playing with the best QB in football on a team hurting badly at WR. Good for him.
Not going to argue with you. If you don't think Coughlin doesn't want to waste a roster spot on a guy that kinda wants to be somewhere else then you haven't been paying attention. He wasn't going to play over randle and he knew it. Jordy getting hurt opened the door back up.
Im not excusing the decision, but I understand it. Totally fine if you disagree.
The more likely scenario is they misevaluated everyone involved from Cruz' rehab, Randle's tendonitis and general production, to Parker's viability as an NFL 3rd WR and the current depth chart is what they are left to operate with.