NJ.com: How the Giants are trying to create some pressure

and even though they don't get to the QB, it still seems more effective than the previous defense's attempts at blitzing.

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conservative (for him) so far.

Perry used to blitz 15% of snaps max. And it was almost always 5-man pressure. Very rarely would you see 6.

From the link - Spags blitzed 35% of snaps. That is low for him - he is protecting his rookie MLB and S. There were games in 07/08 he blitzed 75% of snaps.

you die by the blitz. I don't see Spags has any other choice as the strength of this D is at corner but we will give up some big plays at some point. Hopefully Owa makes a difference.

If we lose DRC or Prince though we have some serious concerns, although Hosley did surprisingly well thursday.

JPP had 3 sacks in the first 11 games last year. So I am not sure our total would have been much higher with him here and healthy. It would help, but not solve things. JPP can be phenomenal when healthy and engaged. I really feel for him and his situation. But let's not exaggerate the amount of pressure there was last year. They ran up the sack totals late and finished with a respectable number. But in many games there was no pressure and they were mauled in the run game a few times particularly with QBs running around the edge. Fewell also put DEs in the middle during passing downs last year. So the center of the pocket never collapsed.

This year, it seems like there is a better push up the middle. That will pay off down the road. This is a new defense and our players are just finding their way so far. The Giants have prioritized the run. It seems like no one guesses pass first. All lineman hold their lanes, the edge is set. They seem to be a step slower to the passer as a result.

With Ayers back and OO coming back, things will improve. It's tempting to think things would have been a lot better with JPP. They would have been, but perhaps less than advertised.

In comment 12513942 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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That's the zone blitz, and everyone uses it to some extent. Dick LeBeau's the one who popularized it, and he's had some great defenses. Spags' mentor Johnson also used it frequently.

As long as it's not overused, it's not a problem. Especially given our DE's strength at pass rushing, coverage might be better suited to them.

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In comment 12513942 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: . That's the zone blitz, and everyone uses it to some extent. Dick LeBeau's the one who popularized it, and he's had some great defenses. Spags' mentor Johnson also used it frequently. As long as it's not overused, it's not a problem. Especially given our DE's strength at pass rushing, coverage might be better suited to them.

I don't disagree with ya.

That play is one of those things that people swear is the worst thing ever when it's a negative play. But when it works, nobody seems to mind.

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I don't disagree with ya. That play is one of those things that people swear is the worst thing ever when it's a negative play. But when it works, nobody seems to mind.

Part of it is knowing when to use it and how to disguise it. The other part is having top pass rushers like: Tuck, Osi, JPP, etc dropping into coverage instead of rushing the QB and then wondering why the stiffs that are rushing (whoever our LBs were) can't generate pressure.

I'm not sure anyone currently on the DL even qualifies as a "good" pass rusher, let alone being anywhere close to the 3 guys above. Ayers is arguably the best pass rusher on the team and he's cracked 5 sacks TWICE in 6 years. Are you really giving up anything dropping these guys into coverage? (keep in mind some are probably as quick as Unga!)

our best pass rusher. Right now he is our worst and technically is not even on the team.

Give the credit to the guys who have stepped up to take his place and working hard to improve themselves and the team.

I also believe JPP will never be able to perform again at a level worthy of being called our best pass rusher. If anything, he's probably our dumbest pass rusher.

In comment 12514035 nicky43 said:

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our best pass rusher. Right now he is our worst and technically is not even on the team. Give the credit to the guys who have stepped up to take his place and working hard to improve themselves and the team. I also believe JPP will never be able to perform again at a level worthy of being called our best pass rusher. If anything, he's probably our dumbest pass rusher.

Agree. It's almost like saying, "if LT was only younger...."

but JPP at 50% of what he was is still a better pass rusher than anyone else on this team.

The possible exceptions are Owa, who needs to get on the field first and Moore who needs to start proving the hype.

is that Demontre Moore has not stepped up. Huge opportunity for him and even in obvious passing situations he is not getting it done.

gets pressure on the QB. Moore should be playing well by now. Last year he had 5 1/2 sacks in limited PT. Step it up Moore!!!

Only game 3 under Spags..Patience..:)

there were any number of defensive ends taken later, lower in the daft, such as Henry Anderson (some of you guys will say he is only useful in a 3/4, nonsense) who already has a sack vs the J.E.T.S. jets.

In comment 12514091 idiotsavant said:

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there were any number of defensive ends taken later, lower in the daft, such as Henry Anderson (some of you guys will say he is only useful in a 3/4, nonsense) who already has a sack vs the J.E.T.S. jets.

He's back at practice. We'll see how much he practices this week and if he's active on Sunday.

He has to get it going, if at all.

thanks for posting.

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Both Giants interceptions came on blitzes. Their lone sack came on a blitz. Pretty much all their big plays came off the blitz.

the players we have have made an effort. Odiggy, if he is as advertised, could make a big difference.

All teams use some version of the zone blitz

3rd round DE selection actually play. We may get some pressure from them.

both the aggressiveness and the discipline. we aren't seeing the same confusion/coverage breakdowns this year like we had from 2012-14 when the secondary was frequently not on the same page.

1) the run defense and 2) the talent might not be all there, but the blown coverages/total disorganization doesn't seem nearly as obvious to the eyes.

In comment 12514113 AP in Halfmoon said:

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All teams use some version of the zone blitz

I understand that. It's just something fans on here have picked at and disliked over the years.

but I recall some big plays over the years from the zone blitz.

i'll take this defense as is. Stop the run. It's more important right now.

A JAG and another failed Reese premium pick. Those hoping for him to develop into a consistent 8-10 sack guy might be very disappointed. Major resources are going to have to be spent on a premium passrusher next spring.

like another failed 3rd rounder. He really hasn't shown much, although he did clobber Romo on that fumble play.

while he has certainly disappointed, he showed flashes of his ability as he received more playing time late last season getting 5.5 sacks in limited playing time. let's re-visit at the end of the year.

our system, is so old, and some of us have ranted against it for so long, that its almost not worth repeating. Meanwhile, big college 3/4 DEs that can take a few reps inside, continue to get drafted lower down typically....why? I have long ranted, these bigger ones can be useful for us, at end on 1st and 10 and inside on 'passing downs' just for 101 level.

moore could wear a linebacker # and be the extra linesman, however, Kennard would probably start over him in that role, being more accustomed to the generalities that come with the jersey #?

Cowboys cut Ben Gardner, who was having a good training camp after missing his rookie season with a shoulder.

I would imagine that Spags could find a way to use a youthful 6'6' 280 DE like that, if there is any room on the roster, consider him a Selvie but with more upside, being younger, or a Tuck, but larger, if you want.

In comment 12513954 area junc said:

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conservative (for him) so far. Perry used to blitz 15% of snaps max. And it was almost always 5-man pressure. Very rarely would you see 6. From the link - Spags blitzed 35% of snaps. That is low for him - he is protecting his rookie MLB and S. There were games in 07/08 he blitzed 75% of snaps.

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....(35 percent). That number would have been higher if Spagnuolo hadn't eased up with a multi-score fourth-quarter lead. The Giants blitzed just twice on the final 20 plays of the contest. They were blitzing at close to a 50 percent clip before that.

I know people don't like that term but that is exactly what he did.

And as Bobby Knight once opined to Parcells, the defense is aptly named because it all it does is "prevent" you from winning

doing the job since he has been given the opportunity over Moore. If Nunn, Spags and TC believe Wynn is their best option they need to find out why come he has trouble getting to the QB.

a good QB that can handle a blitz (without some luck).

Put all other areas aside, lack of pressure on the opposing QB is our biggest hurdle in getting to the playoffs.

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doing the job since he has been given the opportunity over Moore. If Nunn, Spags and TC believe Wynn is their best option they need to find out why come he has trouble getting to the QB.

Wynn's getting the job done against the rush. He's been very good setting the edge. And, IIRC, Moore had like 30+ snaps against the Redskins and barely registered a pressure.

With Ayers out, Wynn/Moore were probably on the field together, but I think Wynn was getting less pass rushing attempts the first 2 games.

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