Our run game has been abysmal this season. Is that because our oline is not opening holes? Is it lack of talent in our RBs? or a combo of both? The Giants are 22 in the league in rushing 92 yrds per game for all 3 rbs. Jennings has 33 attemps for 96 yards and miserable 2.9 avg. Williams has 26 attempts for 86 yards and a slightly better 3.3 avg.
My wife read an article that stated that Jennings was being too hesitant and not hitting the holes that the oline does give him fast enough. I did not read the article as I was half asleep. Is this true? Has anyone seen differently?
We have played a good run defenses in Washington. But both Atlanta and Dallas have been gashed by each other and other for big gains and multiple scores. Atlanta did a good job against the Eagles. Most of the rbs gains came off the pass via Sproles.
I have not been impressed with either Jennings or Williams. Vereen has done some nice things but he is not a every down bruiser.
What about Darkwa? Do the Giants give him a chance since both Jennings and Williams are not playing up to par? When do the Giants make changes? What changes can be made?
people forget that we throw a lot of 3-4 yard pass plays. those are successful plays. what's the difference if you run for 5 or throw for 5.
Play action is not a big part of the offense...
The short passing game is being used as an extension of the run game, so in turn completing the short passes is working just the same as a good running game..
So instead of play action to make the safeties bite, they have a receiver run a slant or a quick in, a pump fake makes the safety bite and in turn you get 1 on 1 for Beckham..
We saw it on the 2 long tds, safety bit and you had 1 on 1 with randle and Beckham...
The short passing game can be just as effective as a good running game..
people forget in 2011 the Giants were dead last in Rushing..
people forget that we throw a lot of 3-4 yard pass plays. those are successful plays. what's the difference if you run for 5 or throw for 5.
Dep.....I completely diagree. Running it allows for play action.
I'd really like to see our 4th guy get some reps........I just think Jennings is too slow.
people forget that we throw a lot of 3-4 yard pass plays. those are successful plays. what's the difference if you run for 5 or throw for 5.
Running the ball successfully brings the safeties into the box. This puts the WRs in 1-on-1 coverage often on the outside. If they play off, those short passes are easy to execute.
If you're not running the ball well, the safeties can inch towards the sidelines for support, the corners can play press coverage, and the short passing game is much more easily nullified.
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keep throwing.
people forget that we throw a lot of 3-4 yard pass plays. those are successful plays. what's the difference if you run for 5 or throw for 5.
Running the ball successfully brings the safeties into the box. This puts the WRs in 1-on-1 coverage often on the outside. If they play off, those short passes are easy to execute.
If you're not running the ball well, the safeties can inch towards the sidelines for support, the corners can play press coverage, and the short passing game is much more easily nullified.
Exactly right. There's a reason why running the football is important.
Until we get that back, and until we can consistently convert 3-1, we are going to be held back IMO.
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people forget that we throw a lot of 3-4 yard pass plays. those are successful plays. what's the difference if you run for 5 or throw for 5.
Running the ball successfully brings the safeties into the box. This puts the WRs in 1-on-1 coverage often on the outside. If they play off, those short passes are easy to execute.
If you're not running the ball well, the safeties can inch towards the sidelines for support, the corners can play press coverage, and the short passing game is much more easily nullified.
Playing press coverage with the safeties back make the middle of the field wide open...
and i will take Beckham vs press coverage any day of the week...
You do not need play action to make a safety bite, if you dink and dunk all the way down the field eventually the safety has to come up...
It also in turn will force a defense to go Nickel which takes a LB off the field and may open up the Running game a little more...
People are so worried about running the football, it is a different game, this is a different offense than what we saw with Gillbride, Gillbride used the running game to open up the pass, Mcadoo uses the passing game to open up the run and to create mismatches..
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keep throwing.
people forget that we throw a lot of 3-4 yard pass plays. those are successful plays. what's the difference if you run for 5 or throw for 5.
Running the ball successfully brings the safeties into the box. This puts the WRs in 1-on-1 coverage often on the outside. If they play off, those short passes are easy to execute.
If you're not running the ball well, the safeties can inch towards the sidelines for support, the corners can play press coverage, and the short passing game is much more easily nullified.
Playing press coverage with the safeties back make the middle of the field wide open...
and i will take Beckham vs press coverage any day of the week...
You do not need play action to make a safety bite, if you dink and dunk all the way down the field eventually the safety has to come up...
It also in turn will force a defense to go Nickel which takes a LB off the field and may open up the Running game a little more...
People are so worried about running the football, it is a different game, this is a different offense than what we saw with Gillbride, Gillbride used the running game to open up the pass, Mcadoo uses the passing game to open up the run and to create mismatches..
Where exactly is the run opening up for this team?
We have been pathetic running it for nearly three years now.
8 of the top 12 rushing teams in 2014 were playoff teams. You can argue that the game has changed and now the pass sets up the run as opposed to the other way around. I agree with that, but non the less, both components are usually tremendously important for an offense to be successful.
people forget that we throw a lot of 3-4 yard pass plays. those are successful plays. what's the difference if you run for 5 or throw for 5.
The run games opens the pass game. Plain and simple. A team that can run and pass can dictate how they want the game to go. Cant be one dimensional.
In the end you need to do both to keep the D honest, but how you get there is an open question.
In the end you need to do both to keep the D honest, but how you get there is an open question.
Great post.
And you are right, this running game has to get on track. It will open up our passing game that much more too.
Just what I was thinking.
As others have said; more Whitlock, less Donnell.
Do we "Buy Him Now" or put in a bid?
I'm guessing John Fox and the GM have concluded it's time to "Blow up the Bears" and go for a complete rebuild?
I have noticed that Williams does seem to be finding the holes better this year but I can't comment on Jennings. We've had some good runs in each game so I'm inclined to say it's probably more on the ability of the oline to open up the hole on each run play than it is on the RBs.
I don't understand why we are not running more to the left side. Is it because of who the defense is putting on that side that we are trying to avoid?
if safeties come up, you have your 1 on 1s. if the lbs get wider, you have more running lanes. we tried running thr ball unsuccessfully the last 3 games to finish games off.....
we have been a terrible running team for nearly 5 years.
- no more injuries on the O-line and getting Flowers and maybe Beatty back soon
- got to reduce snaps for Donnell if you want more yards running. It signals run though unless we use Fells more on passing plays too
- Cruz presence will help as LBs will focus more on slot vs playing run
- prayers always help...
Safeties are drawn up by the short passing game, which as dep and Giants 16 have said, takes the place of the running game. This a much more effective version of the "running game" because the defense never knows when Eli will go deep. So the safeties creep closer and closer and then boom Eli burns them downfield as he did on both Randle and OBJ's TDs.
If they get 1 more guy who can block well, the running game will be a real pleasure to watch.
I noticed Williams has improved as far as patience to let the blocks properly develop. The current Oline will occasionally run block well. They are not up to it consistently though.
You need a run game. Therefore play action is useless.
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the play action is worthless.
You need a run game. Therefore play action is useless.
Sorry wrong post.
only mostly kidding...
2nd Round - Tight End
3rd Round - Right Tackle
4th Round - Linebacker
5th Round - Tight End
Secondly with Victor Cruz slowly working his way back into the lineup, Giants are going to spread opposing defenses out as they now have to account for him as well.
We get those two things going for us we will definitely get that running game heavily involved and as bonus, our tight ends as well.