That what they were saying this morning on NFL Network.
I think with Cruz being a huge Question Mark the Giants have to consider this. This is a real two way TE not just a guy who runs routes.
We have plenty of cap room. Hell with their fire sale I would ask what they ant for Jeffery.
^This. I'm certainly OK with trading a seventh for Wing, who looks great. I was also wrong to criticize Reese for trading a seventh for Beason. But we should probably keep the rest of our picks. Players who come here now also don't even know the system, and therefore won't be able to help us much for at least a few weeks. For that reason, we might be better promoting someone from the PS.
Adrien Robinson
James Brewer
Phillip Dillard
Andre Brown
Bryan Kehl
Zak DeOssie
Meh.
Give me Martellus.
Trade another pick, and the Giants are down to five draft picks in the 2016 draft.
No sign they're selling Bennett but if they are, I'd consider a 4th. He's 28 so he should still have some years left. I would think that McAdoo would love him. 2 way TEs are rare. Excellent red zone target to. Poor man's Gronk IMHO.
but a 4th rounder is too much.
Trade another pick, and the Giants are down to five draft picks in the 2016 draft.
Trading away high picks, sure. But the fact is most 4th rounders will never contribute, nevermind being plus starters. MartyB is conservatively a top 10 TE right now who is a plus blocker as well as receiver.
His cap hit would only be $5M in 2016/2017, the Bears would be eating the unamortized bonus portion.
Trade another pick, and the Giants are down to five draft picks in the 2016 draft.
you don't trade picks for a bag of socks, but trading picks for good players in positions of scarcity and need is good business.
A 4th rounder for a 28 year old Bennett= no brainer.
Also our cap situation is very different than it was back then
I do agree with the point about the staff possibly changing but that ship has sailed. MB is basically free as well if we do not ever pay JPP which we should not
I suspect that number would be raised a bit given Bennett's production, as well as the fact the team was in a bit of a cap crunch at the time (and has more space to work with now). With that said, I'm doubtful anything happens.
ron, but TE value won't rise 200% in their evals.
Bingo. And he's 4 yrs older. And as Eric has pointed out, they would be down to 5 picks next year. In this salary cap era, you have to have a supply of young players coming up.
Trade another pick, and the Giants are down to five draft picks in the 2016 draft.
This is right on, imo. I'd love to upgrade at TE, but giving up a fourth leaves us with only five picks AND limited flexibility should the front office (unlikely) be desperate to trade up for someone. Also, how long would it take Bennett to learn the offense at this point? Is it really worth it now?
But a straight-up trade of next year's 4th Round pick for MB is not a good trade? I don't get it.
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that eval was a couple years ago...he has since had decent stats considering the situation in chicago. I think he would be a great fit here and obviously eli would love a more reliable TE. I think giants are crazy if they dont even inquire about it.
Also our cap situation is very different than it was back then
My two cents..Given that MB's year with us was his FIRST as it pertained to showing anything(in his career), the Giants, in addition to being up against the cap and projecting big monies for Cruz and Nicks, might have felt that paying $5 mill/yr to what MIGHT have been a 1-year wonder, was not prudent..Now they know he's most likely the real goods
Cofield, Jacobs(could have imo, but Tiki was here)
REESE CANT DRAFT AND HE'S AN IDIOT FOR BELIEVING IN DONNELL!
Proven TE comes avail for mid round pick
REESE CANT GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS FOR THINGS WE NEED!
To put it another way.
Bennett is a known commodity vs Travis Beckum & Adrien Robinson.
Murderer! You could be right..Also, The Giants don't seem to value the TE position as much as many here do..I wouldn't mind MB at all here. He's only 28.. That said, give me a TE who can give you the occasional target and perform like an extra OL...
I would be a 4th for a player for a little over a year and a half rental. Potential holdout wouldn't be a shock either.
Maybe I do a 5th. 6th sounds ok.
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Ever the optimist *grin*. All I know is what their evaluation was, how they tend to operate and value TEs, and that MB was viewed as a "space cadet" who might have punched his own ticket out of town based on personality fit (lack thereof) and open market dollars being a huge overpay (still is).
Murderer! You could be right..Also, The Giants don't seem to value the TE position as much as many here do..I wouldn't mind MB at all here. He's only 28.. That said, give me a TE who can give you the occasional target and perform like an extra OL...
Lol! In a vacuum he makes terrific sense, even for the pro-rated cap hit for 2015 I'd pull the trigger.
TE is one of those positions where they tend to seek value, develop prospects, eg, not a premium position where they tend to spend big dollars.
Spot on BB. You are describing Howard Cross.
Sadly, HC is probably still the best TE associated with the Giants in any capacity :-)
me too, except sub Fells for Donnell
There were many reasons the Giants were in trouble in the 60's and 70's, but 4th round picks wasn't.(if it was, it was way down the bottom of the very long list) Even when they had 1st round picks, they took 20th round talent.
Boss cost 1/10 of what Bennett would cost
Almost typed that with a straight face..lel.
Cruz is hurt and Randle is hurting. No one thinks that MBF would help open the field for OBJ and Vereeni?
The losses from this roster: JPP, Beason, and some very average vets possiblyplayers like Hosely, Meriweather, Jenkins, Ellis and the like. 2016 and 2017 should be good years if we are smart. This year could be above avg but there would have to be too many things go right for it to be great.
Do it Jerry!
Yeah we've whiffed on several 4th round picks, but those picks can still very valuable. Kennard was 5th round, right?
Bennett would be a good acquisition - but he's going to command a hefty salary this year and in 16/17. To commit that money, plus hand over a 4th round pick - would be a waste given the way we use TEs.
If the Bears are willing to hand him over for the same price, a 6th rounder, then maybe you can make the argument that you try him at that salary for this year and if you decide not to continue you're at least only out a 6th rounder.
2. Contract - We re-signed Eli and he isn't going anywhere. The only concern I have to resign for next year is Prince. I don't think JPP will be close to what he was. Therefore, we have money for contracts next year. I see the Giants making a small splash next year. Get a great TE now and he will know the system all the better by then. Other than another offensive lineman I think this is the only real missing piece on offense. Focus next year on defense (mainly pass rush) since I don't see us doing that this year.
3. Passing game - Give Eli another known commodity. He's a redzone target, great over the middle, and defenses have to account for him. Martellus would feast on defenses double teaming OBJ. I don't trust in Reuben doing that for us now.
4. Running game - Another area where we could improve and he's damn near an extra lineman out there. He's better considering the defense will not know if he's staying in to help a run or going out for the pass.
5. Rare double threat - OK I've basically already mentioned this but it's so rare. How many 2 way TE's are in the league right now?
But ..... I agree. They won't do it anyway so it's mute. I still like to dream. No they shouldn't have let him go in the first place. Maybe they thought they were going to have to pay Nicks or something. I'm a little fuzzy on the the status of our players at that time.
He's a better receiver than Donnell, but not by a lot. Look at LD's 2014:
92 attempts, 63 catches (68.5%), 623 yards (9.9 YPC)
Look at MB's 2013:
94 attempts, 65 catches (69.1%), 759 yards (11.7 YPC)
Not a drastic difference between them. One guy costs under $1M - the other guy costs five times as much, and we'd have to give up a draft pick to get him.
He's a better receiver than Donnell, but not by a lot. Look at LD's 2014:
92 attempts, 63 catches (68.5%), 623 yards (9.9 YPC)
Look at MB's 2013:
94 attempts, 65 catches (69.1%), 759 yards (11.7 YPC)
Not a drastic difference between them. One guy costs under $1M - the other guy costs five times as much, and we'd have to give up a draft pick to get him.
How many fumbles from each one? How often does Martellus leave his feet?
Get Kenny Philips back from NO. Bradshaw from Indy.
Coax Snee out of retirement
As someone said- we aren't very good we should be looking to offload our guys for picks until our record and performance proves otherwise
^^^ This. Reese might be better off trading away the 4th-7th rounders and take the free agents and undrafted players. He has decent luck finding some UDFA's, most recently, Wynn.
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want to move 4th rounders. You never know when you'll be able to find the next Adrien Robinson.
^^^ This. Reese might be better off trading away the 4th-7th rounders and take the free agents and undrafted players. He has decent luck finding some UDFA's, most recently, Wynn.
I'll tell Kennard and Andre Williams that they're cut. I'd tell Cooper Taylor to take a walk too, but he might hurt himself.
Ideaally you'd like to promote from within to fill the gaps on your roster. Between injuries and the fickle nature of the draft it just isn't possible.
NYG really didn't even look at many UFA TEs last offseason, I think we're wasting brain power here.
You really don't want to trade that high of a pick unless you think we can go all the way with MB. If you think he is the missing piece between us and the SB, then by all means do it. If he isn't then no way is it worth it.
REESE CANT DRAFT AND HE'S AN IDIOT FOR BELIEVING IN DONNELL!
Proven TE comes avail for mid round pick
REESE CANT GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS FOR THINGS WE NEED!
That's the predicament... while i would trigger this deal i do it on the basis that WE CAN"T DO SHIT WITH 4th round picks.... but yet, it does mortgage the future depth of the team.
At the same time, you get a starter and you already have young unproven MEH depth.
Torrag, I've said dude since I was a teen, it's not a derogatory.
We don't need Bennett.
AP, what I mean is this regime seems to make assumptions on positive player health, meaning best case health. Throw in how heavily they value WR and it devalues positions such as TE under a hard cap. There's probably a better way to explain it ...
I do believe Macadoo wants to put more emphasis on the position and we'll find out if they are willing to put their money or a premium draft pick on the line to solve it.
Unfortunately, JPP's injury has saved the Giants 3.4 million against the cap so far this year. And that figure will probably go up. Spending the extra on Bennett doesn't doesn't seem worse than rolling it to next year, if he is an improvement over Donnell.
Even if, under normal circumstances, you'd rather spend that cap room on a DE or a MIKE, there aren't any of those on offer at this point, are there?
With Eli signed, I believe NYG projects somewhere around $40M in cap space for 2015. That gets eaten pretty quickly if they're able to sign premium position talent, TE is pretty far down the list, in reality.
Adrien Robinson
James Brewer
Phillip Dillard
Andre Brown
Bryan Kehl
Zak DeOssie
Meh.
Give me Martellus.
Agreed!
80 of them were in that one Redskins game.
Have to think about this from a resource perspective.
It's Bennett this year at $5M vs. a 4th rounder next year and a TE in FA.
That 4th rounder will be paid peanuts - that's one more roster spot filled for the next 3-4 years at a cost controlled price. Giving up guys like that for FAs means that you run out of cap space faster.
Essentially, the question is whether Bennett's incremental play for the remainder of the year is worth the $3-4M that's left on his contract and giving up that cost controlled player, vs. sticking it out with Donnell and seeing what's in FA next year.
Personally - MB was good, but I think people are vastly overrating him. Donnell did a good job last year, but he's disappointed so far. I'd rather see them try to continue to develop him, because he's also cheap for another year or two and we can use that money elsewhere.
For all the talk about all the cash we'll have next year - it's going to go fast. You want to retain Prince and Hankins. You want a top-flight DE. You need a WR. That money might seem like a lot now, but it's going to fly out window next season. I'm OK with paying MB, but offsetting that with giving up a cost controlled resource is a steep price.
I don't think the loss of the 4th rounder should be much of a factor.
If they are down on Donnell the only factor is the cash for Bennet. He's a much better player in both aspects of the game. As a blocker it's a massive upgrade. As an receiving threat it's also a pretty good bump.
Bennet would give us a better matchup problem at this position. With Vereen out of the backfield, Beckham at WR, adding Bennet gives us a nice trio and a very tough matchup problem for defenses.
It's not about pass catching numbers at the TE position. Bennett is a significant upgrade who makes the running game and passing game much better. He simply makes us tougher to defend.
They never should have let him go in the first place. Give up the pick and bring him back ASAP.
Your line about the disconnect between the FO and coaches is really interesting to me. Especially if you assume the coach would be the first to go.