Eli has thrown 0 interceptions is it Eli? Is it the system?

to those "sight adjustments" was the problems when a starting receiver went down and you had to put in a substitute who may not be on the same page as Eli. Or worse, if injuries forced you to pick up another WR, now you're really in trouble with the new guy

In comment 12517999 River Mike said:

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to those "sight adjustments" was the problems when a starting receiver went down and you had to put in a substitute who may not be on the same page as Eli. Or worse, if injuries forced you to pick up another WR, now you're really in trouble with the new guy

Good point. It was all highly complex, and a lot of QB's I hear talk about it on the radio said it's one of the most complex offenses they'd ever seen.

In comment 12517979 Britt in VA said:

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For a long stretch during Gilbride's tenure, the Giants led the league in pass plays and attempts over 20 yards. That type of low percentage throw led to higher INT's. It was boom or bust. I'm not knocking Gilbride, I liked his offense a lot. It was Reese that failed that offense, not Gilbride.

I agree 100% with this.

he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed.

I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly.

“I think that’s just being more comfortable with the offense, knowing where I want to go with the ball,’’ Manning said. “Just a product of guys doing the right thing, offensive line protecting, being in good down and distance, a combination of a lot of things. Getting the ball out quickly and guys getting open.’’


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In comment 12517935 dep026 said:

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If he throws 2-3 this week, we are going on a witch hunt after you!!!! As for as your question, its both. The shorter the throw, the less likely its intercepted. But Eli is a pretty good QB too. But he will still have a throw here and there that will make you wonder what he is doing.

LOL...thank you for posting...my thoughts exactly

Now we know who to blame. Not kidding.

Imagine his numbers, if this team didn't already have 18 drops

In comment 12518013 barens said:

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he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed. I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly.

I don't think he does this anywhere near as much as BBI would lead you to believe.

and draw a conclusion

Tyree & Manningham SB throws never happen. With risk comes reward. This is a much safer offense.

Under KG, Eli would throw a lot of passes one way and the WR would go another. Now, only the coaches can say whose fault that was. His picks were usually the result of that or taking a chance and letting his WR make a play. It was this gunslinger confidence that led to the Tyree and Manningham plays, but also led to picks. Often what BBI refers to as head scratchers are throwaways or just bad passes, which all QB's do from time to time.

in...Eli is wave pick thrower....lets see more games.

put Eli in a QB friendly system (like Rivers, Brees, etc.) and he'd be just like them. He has the talent, but Gilbride ran a different offense. He used more downfield, higher risk, "heavy read" type passing. This is more like what Rogers and Brady get to run.

So far Eli has been a top 5 QB this year again.

He knows OBJ has a lot of skills and he will throw passes up in the general vicinity and let him get it. When it works we will praise OBJ and Eli, when it doesn't we'll get pissed at him and say he should of never thrown it.

In comment 12518050 JOrthman said:

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In comment 12518013 barens said: Quote: he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed. I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly. I don't think he does this anywhere near as much as BBI would lead you to believe.

I agree, and would say that every QB (even Rogers and Brady) have a couple of passes each week they want back. Others have a lot more in fact. Rogers had a sure pick that was dropped this week (for example). No QB is perfect.

dropping the ball

In comment 12518130 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 12518050 JOrthman said: Quote: In comment 12518013 barens said: Quote: he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed. I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly. I don't think he does this anywhere near as much as BBI would lead you to believe. I agree, and would say that every QB (even Rogers and Brady) have a couple of passes each week they want back. Others have a lot more in fact. Rogers had a sure pick that was dropped this week (for example). No QB is perfect.

Rodgers also had a sack forced fumble from behind after holding the ball too long, when they were up only 14-7 that could have been a game changing play. Wiped out by penalty.

In comment 12518138 xman said:

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dropping the ball

get fucking lost.

QB's certainly get blamed when they throw them so how can you not give them credit when they don't?

Eli is the one throwing the ball so of course he deserves the credit but it is obvious that when asking him to throw more shorter passes throughout the game compared to looking for the higher risk/reward of often going down field will make it easier for him to be successful at not throwing interceptions. But is still comes down to him not throwing them.

you just put the whammy on him.

it'll be mine

Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
Three starting quarterbacks in the NFL have yet to throw an interception:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning

he has thrown 10 interceptions. 5 of them came against San Francisco.

He will wind up with 16 - 20 ints on the year. Now he will do it in just 13 remaining games.

So we are due for a "disaster" soon. One that will almost certainly have significant impact on the division race, since we have no margin for error. BBI is going to be in fine form.

Now, we are seeing why with McAdoo installing a version of the GB offense.

Many of Eli's INTS came on plays when he and the receiver made different reads. What's odd is that Coughlin emphasizes ball security, yet he installed a high risk offense.

so ill be fine with some INTs if it means we are trying to stretch the field more.

I think the net would be positive for the offense

In comment 12518213 WideRight said:

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He will wind up with 16 - 20 ints on the year. Now he will do it in just 13 remaining games. So we are due for a "disaster" soon. One that will almost certainly have significant impact on the division race, since we have no margin for error. BBI is going to be in fine form.

I don't see this number...in the past under Gilbride maybe. I think he'll be in the 10 range tops.

way down this year. its a trend. its the system for sure. Only in 2011 after a 25 INT year did Eli truly focus on checking it down, and they did, 40% more passes to the RB, FB, TE than adjacent years before and after according to Lance Medow on BBKOL. that stat always stuck with me, because it was completely evident.

And it's only gotten better since Mac.

I dont think its a stretch to say that the system has helped Eli in the INT area.

Don't you guys remember all the "wrong route" crap under Gilbride ?

has been blamed over the years by his critics for interceptions that were not his fault. Class act that he is, he did not try and defend himself. Bad routes, tipped balls that should have been caught and poor protection by a terrible OL. He tries to make plays and takes chances which is why we won two SBs as well. We should have been building our offense around him instead of reaching for finds in the draft that cost us the last five years.

hasnt thrown an INT at home since end of 2012 season. And is like 40+ TDs to Zero in terms of ratio.

Eli is good too though...

and that's one of the reasons why I love this system. Get the ball out quick, and make high percentage passes. No more relying on a 5 and 7 step drop and having Wrs not on the same page. I can;t imagine executing the previous system with this offensively talent.

He has had 2 dreadful games from week 9 in 2013 through week 3 of 15, where he threw 10 ints.

his numbers in the other 27 games, in that frame are 43 TD's 15 ints.

It is a combination of the system and Eli

Eli throws 4 int's sunday

Eli has always had this in him, he just played in the most complex and trying system for a QB, one that caused the symptom of interceptions as a result of the high risk of the read options.

How many times in 18 games played in McAdoo's offense have we seen the WR go one way Eli throw the other? NONE. The difference is you have Eli running a system where he would have had 9 picks last year sans the weird SF cluster flunk. And this year he isn't throwing a pick.

And you have all timer Rodgers running a mirror scheme at a 4:1 TD ratio, and 50 TD and 4 INT in his last like 20+ games in GB at home.

A great QB in a great system makes for great results.

And stupid systems created stupid outcomes, no matter the operator. Eli made Gilbride's offense look about as good as it could have looked, which most times was inconsistent at best, but in the 5% of the time it hummed along, it was difficult to stop -- and for that, there's something to be said -- but the inconsistency and bonehead mistakes it creates was beyond maddening. A lesser QB would have been chewed up and spit out of the NFL, and I remain adamant even Peyton would look like shit in the Coughbride offense.

IMO if Eli is in the GB offense his whole career he's at minimum a 30 TD 10-12 INT QB his entire career, with even a decent supporting cast. It is not shocking he's doing this at all, for those paying attention.

And taking what the defense gives them. It seems to be working out

In comment 12517985 Britt in VA said:

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and the plays took time to develop for the WR's to get downfield. When the offensive line failed, the offense was dead in the water.

We could have adjusted. We didn't utilize more 3 step drops until we were like 0-4 or 0-5. We kept trying to run our 5 and 7 step drops and we were getting killed doing that.

I liked Gilbride and respected what he brought. I prefered him over Hufangel, but I am glad we changed to this system.

In comment 12520007 AnishPatel said:

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In comment 12517985 Britt in VA said: Quote: and the plays took time to develop for the WR's to get downfield. When the offensive line failed, the offense was dead in the water. We could have adjusted. We didn't utilize more 3 step drops until we were like 0-4 or 0-5. We kept trying to run our 5 and 7 step drops and we were getting killed doing that. I liked Gilbride and respected what he brought. I prefered him over Hufangel, but I am glad we changed to this system.

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I'm not sure exactly how much they could have adjusted on the fly, as that would have meant a complete change of philosophy.

Eli had to relearn new footwork as part of the switch to this system. No small feat I'm sure (pun intened).

in Gilbrides last season, but my point is when we did we were already in deep shit. Not blaming soley him, Reese and Ross get egg on their face too. But, I am glad now, at least if our OL sucks we can still run our offense, and utilize screens, passes to the RB, and dink and dunk the ball.

I like this offense and I still want to see what happens when people are all healthy.

In comment 12520023 AnishPatel said:

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in Gilbrides last season, but my point is when we did we were already in deep shit. Not blaming soley him, Reese and Ross get egg on their face too. But, I am glad now, at least if our OL sucks we can still run our offense, and utilize screens, passes to the RB, and dink and dunk the ball. I like this offense and I still want to see what happens when people are all healthy.

I like it too, and I wanted to see Eli in another system before it was said and done.

That said, if Reese had done his job and kept a viable offensive line together, we still could have continued our roll, IMO.

Reese and Ross tried, but age, degradation of talent, and injuries hurt us big time. I think we saw cracks of it when we won the SB, and ranked last in running the ball. However, we won the SB, so feelings were high.

That was one of the things I wanted to see as well. I would have been pissed if Eli would have been in the previous system for his whole career. Iam glad to see him in this system.

I think for Eli to add to his resume to get into the HOF, another SB win will seal it, but compiling stats will help him too. I don't think we have a talented team to win a SB, so hopefully in the meantime he can add yards, and Tds to his resume.

In comment 12520037 AnishPatel said:

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Reese and Ross tried, but age, degradation of talent, and injuries hurt us big time. I think we saw cracks of it when we won the SB, and ranked last in running the ball. However, we won the SB, so feelings were high. That was one of the things I wanted to see as well. I would have been pissed if Eli would have been in the previous system for his whole career. Iam glad to see him in this system. I think for Eli to add to his resume to get into the HOF, another SB win will seal it, but compiling stats will help him too. I don't think we have a talented team to win a SB, so hopefully in the meantime he can add yards, and Tds to his resume.

But that's where they really failed. The cracks started to show as early as 2009. Diehl and O'hara specifically really started to decline. Snee and McKenzie were on the verge.

The line was failing across the board and it was neglected way before the SB year. 3 of our 5 starting linemen were drafted or signed by Accorsi in that SB.

And if you think about it like that, and that it took us until 2014 to legitimately address it, to me, that's the type of failure that costs you your job.

Neither here nor there. Here we are, and I like what I'm seeing so far. Even though the line is still a problem.

KG took too long to shift in 2013 - which is understandable given how much success he's had with it in years prior. Plus, the interior of that line was just so bad, so Eli still had pressure in his face with the three step drops that year. That year was such a disaster.

I'm happy to see a new system, but was disappointed it cost Gilbride his job. Like Britt, I blame management for taking too long to address it with the necessary FA/draft pick investment. IIRC, we allocated the second most cap dollars to the line in 2013 - but it was on older, past their prime players who never should have been counted on.

To clarify, Reese did try and address it a bit with the Baas signing. I do think they knew it was an issue, but tried half-measures (mid-round picks) that flopped. I think the success with the OL from 2005-2008 gave the team the idea that they could succeed with mid-round picks or cast-offs.

I'd argue that 2011 (which had an absolutely awful line until the playoffs) fed into that thinking as well.

I don't think it was Reese who was insisting that #1 son-in-law keep his job long after he obviously was no longer physically able to play at an acceptable level. It wasn't Reese who plugged O'Hara and Diehl back in when their replacements were outplaying them.

Maybe Coughlin trotted them out there because he had nothing better.

I don't know that's the case definitively either...

But it's Reese's job to aquire the players, and Coughlin's job to coach them.

To me, we weren't aquiring adequete players.

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