Eli has thrown 0 interceptions is it Eli? Is it the system?

If he throws 2-3 this week, we are going on a witch hunt after you!!!!

As for as your question, its both. The shorter the throw, the less likely its intercepted. But Eli is a pretty good QB too. But he will still have a throw here and there that will make you wonder what he is doing.

In every game so far not playing catchup

Oh and also OBJ fights for the ball when it's airborne instead of letting the DB win

"lucky" it wasn't picked throws that DB's and LB's dropped.

Fewer balls downfield = fewer INTs. I think!

Ints are on the QB. The system may dictate how often the ball is thrown and what percentage is short passes verse long passes and how soon the ball is thrown after the snap. But it is the QB that decides when and where to throw it after scanning the field.

The system doesn't scan the field to determine what opponents players may be near a potential target to intercept the ball.

Most Ints are a result of a bad throw, a deflected pass, or a aggressive or great play made by a defensive player. I don't see how you can blame the system on that unless the system is such that it demands a serious reduction in the number of pass plays. But most systems try to have a balance between the number of run and pass plays so in my mind it can't be the system.

In comment 12517937 Joe in Knoxville said:

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In every game so far not playing catchup Oh and also OBJ fights for the ball when it's airborne instead of letting the DB win

Excellent point Joe. Not having to play from behind doesn't put the QB in such a desperate state that he has to try to force plays that just are not there. This was likely the reason behind many of Eli's interceptions in the previous few years.

and the fact that he knows he doesn't have time to hold onto the ball, with this OL....so both make him get rid of the ball quicker...thus, lower risk, shorter passes....

High percentage passes, short, quick throws to a spot. Not as many sight adjustments.

The guy who is hesitant to throw the ball further than 5 yards?

In comment 12517946 nicky43 said:

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Ints are on the QB. The system may dictate how often the ball is thrown and what percentage is short passes verse long passes and how soon the ball is thrown after the snap. But it is the QB that decides when and where to throw it after scanning the field. The system doesn't scan the field to determine what opponents players may be near a potential target to intercept the ball. Most Ints are a result of a bad throw, a deflected pass, or a aggressive or great play made by a defensive player. I don't see how you can blame the system on that unless the system is such that it demands a serious reduction in the number of pass plays. But most systems try to have a balance between the number of run and pass plays so in my mind it can't be the system.

You're forgetting a major component of Gilbride's offense in that assessment. Sight Adjustments.

Miscommunication between QB and WR sight adjustment led to many WTF INT's where Eli seemingly threw it right to a DB with no WR within 10 yards. Those days are over.

but it's not every WR, every play.

For a long stretch during Gilbride's tenure, the Giants led the league in pass plays and attempts over 20 yards.

That type of low percentage throw led to higher INT's. It was boom or bust.

I'm not knocking Gilbride, I liked his offense a lot. It was Reese that failed that offense, not Gilbride.

In comment 12517979 Britt in VA said:

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For a long stretch during Gilbride's tenure, the Giants led the league in pass plays and attempts over 20 yards. That type of low percentage throw led to higher INT's. It was boom or bust. I'm not knocking Gilbride, I liked his offense a lot. It was Reese that failed that offense, not Gilbride.

I totally agree and wish more people would take this viewpoint. Gilbride's system was never broken, and we were blessed to watch our team win 2 Superbowls with explosive passing attacks... but Reese didn't give him the horses (or O-line) to run it in '13.

and the plays took time to develop for the WR's to get downfield.

When the offensive line failed, the offense was dead in the water.

Eli is being more careful with throwing the football...he's not forcing as much and taking what the defense gives....if it's 3rd and 10 and he's under pressure with no one to throw to, he's going to dump it to his tight end for 4 yards instead of trying to force something...or even pull down the ball and run when the lane is there (which is something I've wanted him to do more of). we are also not seeing the head scratching playcalls like deep 40 yard throws on 3rd and 1. Some fans complain we aren't taking as many deep shots.....I'd agree if we had the cowboys great wall of china offensive line, but not with the giants line.

Was praying this miracle would never come up his luck has all run out now for sure.

to those "sight adjustments" was the problems when a starting receiver went down and you had to put in a substitute who may not be on the same page as Eli. Or worse, if injuries forced you to pick up another WR, now you're really in trouble with the new guy

In comment 12517999 River Mike said:

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to those "sight adjustments" was the problems when a starting receiver went down and you had to put in a substitute who may not be on the same page as Eli. Or worse, if injuries forced you to pick up another WR, now you're really in trouble with the new guy

Good point. It was all highly complex, and a lot of QB's I hear talk about it on the radio said it's one of the most complex offenses they'd ever seen.

In comment 12517979 Britt in VA said:

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For a long stretch during Gilbride's tenure, the Giants led the league in pass plays and attempts over 20 yards. That type of low percentage throw led to higher INT's. It was boom or bust. I'm not knocking Gilbride, I liked his offense a lot. It was Reese that failed that offense, not Gilbride.

I agree 100% with this.

he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed.

I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly.

“I think that’s just being more comfortable with the offense, knowing where I want to go with the ball,’’ Manning said. “Just a product of guys doing the right thing, offensive line protecting, being in good down and distance, a combination of a lot of things. Getting the ball out quickly and guys getting open.’’


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Eli Manning explains why he hasn’t thrown a pick this season - ( New Window )

In comment 12517935 dep026 said:

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If he throws 2-3 this week, we are going on a witch hunt after you!!!! As for as your question, its both. The shorter the throw, the less likely its intercepted. But Eli is a pretty good QB too. But he will still have a throw here and there that will make you wonder what he is doing.

LOL...thank you for posting...my thoughts exactly

Now we know who to blame. Not kidding.

Imagine his numbers, if this team didn't already have 18 drops

In comment 12518013 barens said:

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he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed. I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly.

I don't think he does this anywhere near as much as BBI would lead you to believe.

and draw a conclusion

Tyree & Manningham SB throws never happen. With risk comes reward. This is a much safer offense.

Under KG, Eli would throw a lot of passes one way and the WR would go another. Now, only the coaches can say whose fault that was. His picks were usually the result of that or taking a chance and letting his WR make a play. It was this gunslinger confidence that led to the Tyree and Manningham plays, but also led to picks. Often what BBI refers to as head scratchers are throwaways or just bad passes, which all QB's do from time to time.

in...Eli is wave pick thrower....lets see more games.

put Eli in a QB friendly system (like Rivers, Brees, etc.) and he'd be just like them. He has the talent, but Gilbride ran a different offense. He used more downfield, higher risk, "heavy read" type passing. This is more like what Rogers and Brady get to run.

So far Eli has been a top 5 QB this year again.

He knows OBJ has a lot of skills and he will throw passes up in the general vicinity and let him get it. When it works we will praise OBJ and Eli, when it doesn't we'll get pissed at him and say he should of never thrown it.

In comment 12518050 JOrthman said:

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In comment 12518013 barens said: Quote: he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed. I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly. I don't think he does this anywhere near as much as BBI would lead you to believe.

I agree, and would say that every QB (even Rogers and Brady) have a couple of passes each week they want back. Others have a lot more in fact. Rogers had a sure pick that was dropped this week (for example). No QB is perfect.

dropping the ball

In comment 12518130 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 12518050 JOrthman said: Quote: In comment 12518013 barens said: Quote: he will always throw one or 2 balls a week that will leave us scratching our heads. There were a few of those even last week, but he managed to come away unscathed. I do think that this year, we've seen him throw a lot of quick, shorter throws than in recent years. More quick throws to the TE, and Shane Vereen is also doing wonders for Eli, allowing him to get the ball out of his hands quickly. I don't think he does this anywhere near as much as BBI would lead you to believe. I agree, and would say that every QB (even Rogers and Brady) have a couple of passes each week they want back. Others have a lot more in fact. Rogers had a sure pick that was dropped this week (for example). No QB is perfect.

Rodgers also had a sack forced fumble from behind after holding the ball too long, when they were up only 14-7 that could have been a game changing play. Wiped out by penalty.

In comment 12518138 xman said:

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dropping the ball

get fucking lost.

QB's certainly get blamed when they throw them so how can you not give them credit when they don't?

Eli is the one throwing the ball so of course he deserves the credit but it is obvious that when asking him to throw more shorter passes throughout the game compared to looking for the higher risk/reward of often going down field will make it easier for him to be successful at not throwing interceptions. But is still comes down to him not throwing them.

you just put the whammy on him.

it'll be mine

Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
Three starting quarterbacks in the NFL have yet to throw an interception:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning

he has thrown 10 interceptions. 5 of them came against San Francisco.

He will wind up with 16 - 20 ints on the year. Now he will do it in just 13 remaining games.

So we are due for a "disaster" soon. One that will almost certainly have significant impact on the division race, since we have no margin for error. BBI is going to be in fine form.

Now, we are seeing why with McAdoo installing a version of the GB offense.

Many of Eli's INTS came on plays when he and the receiver made different reads. What's odd is that Coughlin emphasizes ball security, yet he installed a high risk offense.

so ill be fine with some INTs if it means we are trying to stretch the field more.

I think the net would be positive for the offense

In comment 12518213 WideRight said:

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He will wind up with 16 - 20 ints on the year. Now he will do it in just 13 remaining games. So we are due for a "disaster" soon. One that will almost certainly have significant impact on the division race, since we have no margin for error. BBI is going to be in fine form.

I don't see this number...in the past under Gilbride maybe. I think he'll be in the 10 range tops.

way down this year. its a trend. its the system for sure. Only in 2011 after a 25 INT year did Eli truly focus on checking it down, and they did, 40% more passes to the RB, FB, TE than adjacent years before and after according to Lance Medow on BBKOL. that stat always stuck with me, because it was completely evident.

And it's only gotten better since Mac.

I dont think its a stretch to say that the system has helped Eli in the INT area.

Don't you guys remember all the "wrong route" crap under Gilbride ?

has been blamed over the years by his critics for interceptions that were not his fault. Class act that he is, he did not try and defend himself. Bad routes, tipped balls that should have been caught and poor protection by a terrible OL. He tries to make plays and takes chances which is why we won two SBs as well. We should have been building our offense around him instead of reaching for finds in the draft that cost us the last five years.

hasnt thrown an INT at home since end of 2012 season. And is like 40+ TDs to Zero in terms of ratio.

Eli is good too though...