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Eli has thrown 0 interceptions is it Eli? Is it the system?

Headhunter : 10/1/2015 8:08 am
is it both. I lean more to the system and in the right system you can put up Hall of Fame statistics. I believe Eli is a great QB in his own right, but the Alex Smith's of the League can be made out to be Pro Bowlers in the right system. In Gilbride's system( which won 2 SB's) was high risk high reward
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Yes the system contributes to that  
AnishPatel : 10/1/2015 12:41 pm : link
and that's one of the reasons why I love this system. Get the ball out quick, and make high percentage passes. No more relying on a 5 and 7 step drop and having Wrs not on the same page. I can;t imagine executing the previous system with this offensively talent.
Eli  
stretch234 : 10/1/2015 1:40 pm : link
He has had 2 dreadful games from week 9 in 2013 through week 3 of 15, where he threw 10 ints.

his numbers in the other 27 games, in that frame are 43 TD's 15 ints.

It is a combination of the system and Eli

All this talk has insured  
djstat : 10/1/2015 3:24 pm : link
Eli throws 4 int's sunday
It's more the system  
GiantTuff1 : 10/1/2015 10:09 pm : link
Eli has always had this in him, he just played in the most complex and trying system for a QB, one that caused the symptom of interceptions as a result of the high risk of the read options.

How many times in 18 games played in McAdoo's offense have we seen the WR go one way Eli throw the other? NONE. The difference is you have Eli running a system where he would have had 9 picks last year sans the weird SF cluster flunk. And this year he isn't throwing a pick.

And you have all timer Rodgers running a mirror scheme at a 4:1 TD ratio, and 50 TD and 4 INT in his last like 20+ games in GB at home.

A great QB in a great system makes for great results.

And stupid systems created stupid outcomes, no matter the operator. Eli made Gilbride's offense look about as good as it could have looked, which most times was inconsistent at best, but in the 5% of the time it hummed along, it was difficult to stop -- and for that, there's something to be said -- but the inconsistency and bonehead mistakes it creates was beyond maddening. A lesser QB would have been chewed up and spit out of the NFL, and I remain adamant even Peyton would look like shit in the Coughbride offense.

IMO if Eli is in the GB offense his whole career he's at minimum a 30 TD 10-12 INT QB his entire career, with even a decent supporting cast. It is not shocking he's doing this at all, for those paying attention.
the Giants are just dunking and dunking out there  
AnyoneButPhilly : 10/2/2015 7:18 am : link
And taking what the defense gives them. It seems to be working out
RE: Gilbride's offense took had a lot of 5 and 7 step drops...  
AnishPatel : 10/2/2015 9:19 am : link
In comment 12517985 Britt in VA said:
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and the plays took time to develop for the WR's to get downfield.

When the offensive line failed, the offense was dead in the water.


We could have adjusted. We didn't utilize more 3 step drops until we were like 0-4 or 0-5. We kept trying to run our 5 and 7 step drops and we were getting killed doing that.

I liked Gilbride and respected what he brought. I prefered him over Hufangel, but I am glad we changed to this system.
RE: RE: Gilbride's offense took had a lot of 5 and 7 step drops...  
Britt in VA : 10/2/2015 9:22 am : link
In comment 12520007 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 12517985 Britt in VA said:


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and the plays took time to develop for the WR's to get downfield.

When the offensive line failed, the offense was dead in the water.



We could have adjusted. We didn't utilize more 3 step drops until we were like 0-4 or 0-5. We kept trying to run our 5 and 7 step drops and we were getting killed doing that.

I liked Gilbride and respected what he brought. I prefered him over Hufangel, but I am glad we changed to this system.
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I'm not sure exactly how much they could have adjusted on the fly, as that would have meant a complete change of philosophy.

Eli had to relearn new footwork as part of the switch to this system. No small feat I'm sure (pun intened).
They tried  
AnishPatel : 10/2/2015 9:25 am : link
in Gilbrides last season, but my point is when we did we were already in deep shit. Not blaming soley him, Reese and Ross get egg on their face too. But, I am glad now, at least if our OL sucks we can still run our offense, and utilize screens, passes to the RB, and dink and dunk the ball.

I like this offense and I still want to see what happens when people are all healthy.
RE: They tried  
Britt in VA : 10/2/2015 9:27 am : link
In comment 12520023 AnishPatel said:
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in Gilbrides last season, but my point is when we did we were already in deep shit. Not blaming soley him, Reese and Ross get egg on their face too. But, I am glad now, at least if our OL sucks we can still run our offense, and utilize screens, passes to the RB, and dink and dunk the ball.

I like this offense and I still want to see what happens when people are all healthy.


I like it too, and I wanted to see Eli in another system before it was said and done.

That said, if Reese had done his job and kept a viable offensive line together, we still could have continued our roll, IMO.
I think  
AnishPatel : 10/2/2015 9:32 am : link
Reese and Ross tried, but age, degradation of talent, and injuries hurt us big time. I think we saw cracks of it when we won the SB, and ranked last in running the ball. However, we won the SB, so feelings were high.

That was one of the things I wanted to see as well. I would have been pissed if Eli would have been in the previous system for his whole career. Iam glad to see him in this system.

I think for Eli to add to his resume to get into the HOF, another SB win will seal it, but compiling stats will help him too. I don't think we have a talented team to win a SB, so hopefully in the meantime he can add yards, and Tds to his resume.
RE: I think  
Britt in VA : 10/2/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12520037 AnishPatel said:
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Reese and Ross tried, but age, degradation of talent, and injuries hurt us big time. I think we saw cracks of it when we won the SB, and ranked last in running the ball. However, we won the SB, so feelings were high.

That was one of the things I wanted to see as well. I would have been pissed if Eli would have been in the previous system for his whole career. Iam glad to see him in this system.

I think for Eli to add to his resume to get into the HOF, another SB win will seal it, but compiling stats will help him too. I don't think we have a talented team to win a SB, so hopefully in the meantime he can add yards, and Tds to his resume.


But that's where they really failed. The cracks started to show as early as 2009. Diehl and O'hara specifically really started to decline. Snee and McKenzie were on the verge.

The line was failing across the board and it was neglected way before the SB year. 3 of our 5 starting linemen were drafted or signed by Accorsi in that SB.

And if you think about it like that, and that it took us until 2014 to legitimately address it, to me, that's the type of failure that costs you your job.

Neither here nor there. Here we are, and I like what I'm seeing so far. Even though the line is still a problem.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/2/2015 9:44 am : link
KG took too long to shift in 2013 - which is understandable given how much success he's had with it in years prior. Plus, the interior of that line was just so bad, so Eli still had pressure in his face with the three step drops that year. That year was such a disaster.

I'm happy to see a new system, but was disappointed it cost Gilbride his job. Like Britt, I blame management for taking too long to address it with the necessary FA/draft pick investment. IIRC, we allocated the second most cap dollars to the line in 2013 - but it was on older, past their prime players who never should have been counted on.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/2/2015 9:48 am : link
To clarify, Reese did try and address it a bit with the Baas signing. I do think they knew it was an issue, but tried half-measures (mid-round picks) that flopped. I think the success with the OL from 2005-2008 gave the team the idea that they could succeed with mid-round picks or cast-offs.

I'd argue that 2011 (which had an absolutely awful line until the playoffs) fed into that thinking as well.
Reese and Coughlin share the blame for the OL  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2015 9:50 am : link
I don't think it was Reese who was insisting that #1 son-in-law keep his job long after he obviously was no longer physically able to play at an acceptable level. It wasn't Reese who plugged O'Hara and Diehl back in when their replacements were outplaying them.
You don't know that for certain.  
Britt in VA : 10/2/2015 10:05 am : link
Maybe Coughlin trotted them out there because he had nothing better.

I don't know that's the case definitively either...

But it's Reese's job to aquire the players, and Coughlin's job to coach them.

To me, we weren't aquiring adequete players.
What Probowlers were on the bench being held back by Snee and Diehl?  
Britt in VA : 10/2/2015 10:06 am : link
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and O'hara, for that matter?  
Britt in VA : 10/2/2015 10:07 am : link
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