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Dottino on the Fan saying Giants like Welker

BlueHurricane : 10/1/2015 11:28 am
Basically saying Cruz MRI will determine if Welker is signed. Said TC had very good things to say about Welker's workout.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2015 11:29 am : link
cvicszasz comes through again.
Yes,  
Curtis in VA : 10/1/2015 11:30 am : link
I saw that commment as well.
Assuming he is medically cleared  
jvm52106 : 10/1/2015 11:30 am : link
it would be a nice signing for the Gmen. He doesn't have to be great, just make 2 to 3 clutch catches each week and provide some leadership and veteran stability to the group.
Welker is on HGH and live in a whole house hyperbolic chamber  
Torrag : 10/1/2015 11:30 am : link
Well that's what I heard.....
Confirmed  
JonC : 10/1/2015 11:31 am : link
Welker "is on speedial".
Why not at this point?  
ryanmkeane : 10/1/2015 11:31 am : link
He can pick the offense up pretty quickly I'd imagine.
just needs to help move the chains  
shabu : 10/1/2015 11:32 am : link
Just needs to help move the chains... thats what Eli needs, reliable 3rd down target.
I wouldnt be surprised  
nygiants16 : 10/1/2015 11:32 am : link
if Giants told him do not leave right away and wait to see how Cruz looks in practice...

Wouldnt be shocked if he is already on his way to the facility...

Even if Cruz is due back in a couple of weeks, Giants can not feel confident in Cruz.
cvicszasz = Dottino?  
BlueHurricane : 10/1/2015 11:32 am : link
??????
RE: ...  
dorgan : 10/1/2015 11:33 am : link
In comment 12518371 Eric from BBI said:
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cvicszasz comes through again.


Not a snarky question, but exactly what has he been right about?

I haven't paid much attention.
RE: ...  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12518371 Eric from BBI said:
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cvicszasz comes through again.

Eric I missed what he said could you repeat the info he shared with us regarding Welker?
Seems odd that Welker  
mrvax : 10/1/2015 11:34 am : link
would accept a "small" salary to fill a role here. He's obviously made millions in his career.

I'm all for this move and I'd try to keep him for situations even with a healthy Cruz.
Will he have to wear  
Gman11 : 10/1/2015 11:36 am : link
one of those helmets that looks like it's three sizes too big for him?
RE: RE: ...  
mrvax : 10/1/2015 11:36 am : link
In comment 12518387 dorgan said:
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Not a snarky question, but exactly what has he been right about?

I haven't paid much attention.


I forget a few things in the past he was correct on but yesterday his post was implying that the decision to sign Welker was approved pending Cruz' condition.
Welker obviously is a shell of his former self  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2015 11:37 am : link
but Eli desperately needs a possession receiver like Welker who would be huge on 3rd down.
regarding Welker  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2015 11:38 am : link
well... you guys love high energy white guys...
cvicszasz : 9/29/2015 6:33 pm

Welker'a phone will be ringing soon...
cvicszasz : 9/30/2015 3:41 pm


This would be nice  
montanagiant : 10/1/2015 11:38 am : link
A bonus is his familiarity playing against Rex
Thanks Eric  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2015 11:39 am : link
and cvicszasz
cvicszasz  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2015 11:40 am : link
is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.
Given that it's already Thursday  
Aspano! : 10/1/2015 11:41 am : link
and he's still not signed, if he were to sign, would he even be available for the game Sunday? With such a limited amount of practice?
who was the  
ron mexico : 10/1/2015 11:41 am : link
"package" guy that Cruz eventually made obsolete

RE: Given that it's already Thursday  
Britt in VA : 10/1/2015 11:42 am : link
In comment 12518410 Aspano! said:
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and he's still not signed, if he were to sign, would he even be available for the game Sunday? With such a limited amount of practice?


No.
Yes  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2015 11:43 am : link
I remember cvicszasz posting information several times that proved to be true. Hopefully no one here will needlessly attack him like they have in the past which discourages others with inside information from sharing it with us.
No way.  
Curtis in VA : 10/1/2015 11:43 am : link
He probably won't be able to contribute significantly for a few weeks.
RE: Given that it's already Thursday  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2015 11:44 am : link
In comment 12518410 Aspano! said:
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and he's still not signed, if he were to sign, would he even be available for the game Sunday? With such a limited amount of practice?

It is highly unlikely but he could play in a few packages. I believe Stokley played days after being signed in 2011.
I'm sure the nicely telegraphed  
nyynyg : 10/1/2015 11:46 am : link
wide receiver screen is a viable option even for this Sunday. :)
yes  
Gmen108021 : 10/1/2015 11:47 am : link
he will be ready...the guy has been in the league FOREVER...played in a ton of different systems, it will take him time to get down the verbage, but i wouldnt be surprised if he does get signed that he is able to line up and play, maybe not be a huge contributor, but honestly a couple catches would be some relief off other targets on offense.
RE: Given that it's already Thursday  
Arcanum : 10/1/2015 11:48 am : link
In comment 12518410 Aspano! said:
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and he's still not signed, if he were to sign, would he even be available for the game Sunday? With such a limited amount of practice?



I don't see why not. He's a vet, who knows how to get open on 3rd down. That's all the Giants would probably use him for, for right now anyway.
I hope we read on this thread  
NewBlue : 10/1/2015 11:48 am : link
In an hour or 2 that they have signed him.
As everyone has pointed out, we need him to be a solid contributor, not a superstar, just a reliable guy to find the hole in the zone and sit there and catch the ball.
exactly^^^^  
Gmen108021 : 10/1/2015 11:48 am : link
..
newblue  
Gmen108021 : 10/1/2015 11:49 am : link
and he will be...we wont ask him to be the guy as he was in other places, just help move the chains on 2 3rd downs a game...
I don't get the sense there's any urgency to sign him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2015 11:50 am : link
Of course they're complementary of a fine veteran guy, but if they were really that charged up about his workout, wouldn't they have signed him last night after seeing how bad the Cruz experiment went?
A few years ago when they signed Stokely he made an impact right away  
Eric on Li : 10/1/2015 11:51 am : link
and he was not even close to the player Welker was for his career. Obviously he also got hurt right away, but as others suggested they just need a solid contributor. I expect that Welker's savy would click very quickly with Eli.
^^^  
Gmen108021 : 10/1/2015 11:51 am : link
maybe they wanted to see how cruz felt this am...maybe he was sore yesterday but felt good enough to go today
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2015 11:51 am : link
I probably shouldn't be because he's at the end and he doesn't know anything about the system, but I think it would be cool to see Welker on the Giants.

Of course, I felt the same thing about Herman Moore.
It almost doesn't matter if he knows the entire playbook  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/1/2015 11:53 am : link
He is quick and fast enough that you have to cover him with a talented player. That reduces the ability to roll coverages toward other players.
....  
Gmen108021 : 10/1/2015 11:54 am : link
its not even a question he could easily contribute. the main difference among offenses is verbage...it will take some time for him to grasp everything but i am sure he can work out of the slot right away...
I usually am against signing  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2015 11:55 am : link
older veterans like Welker but in this case I hope they do bring him in. The offense needs a player with his skill set.
RE: who was the  
jpkmets : 10/1/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12518412 ron mexico said:
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"package" guy that Cruz eventually made obsolete


Stokely's Package
The one thing I don't like is that he's likely 1 ding  
micky : 10/1/2015 11:56 am : link
from being in a garden
Been suggesting this for awhile..  
Big Blue '56 : 10/1/2015 11:57 am : link
Glad Giants may be taking my advice..*GRIN*
RE: ...  
Bernie : 10/1/2015 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12518440 Eric from BBI said:
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I probably shouldn't be because he's at the end and he doesn't know anything about the system, but I think it would be cool to see Welker on the Giants.

Of course, I felt the same thing about Herman Moore.


Used love Fassel explaining that Herman couldn't play in games because he was sore after practice.
Am I the only one,  
Doomster : 10/1/2015 12:07 pm : link
on the Reggie Wayne band wagon?

If they sign Welker, don't send him over the middle...
RE: Will he have to wear  
BMac : 10/1/2015 12:08 pm : link
In comment 12518396 Gman11 said:
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one of those helmets that looks like it's three sizes too big for him?


RE: Am I the only one,  
steve in ky : 10/1/2015 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12518478 Doomster said:
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on the Reggie Wayne band wagon?

If they sign Welker, don't send him over the middle...


I don't like that he asked out of New England because it was to tough for him and he didn't find it fun. That's kind of a red flag IMO.
RE: RE: Am I the only one,  
steve in ky : 10/1/2015 12:11 pm : link
In comment 12518486 steve in ky said:
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In comment 12518478 Doomster said:


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on the Reggie Wayne band wagon?

If they sign Welker, don't send him over the middle...



I don't like that he asked out of New England because it was to tough for him and he didn't find it fun. That's kind of a red flag IMO.


That post was about Wayne not Welker
Given How Late In The Week It Is  
Trainmaster : 10/1/2015 12:12 pm : link
if Welker is signed today, will Welker have an even smaller package this Sunday than Stokley did?

:-)


I'm worried about Welker's long-term health.  
Boy Cord : 10/1/2015 12:12 pm : link
I wish he would hang the spikes up and cut his losses. Obviously, he and I disagree on this.
Wes is a veteran  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 12:14 pm : link
I think he'd be ready to go on a limited basis 2 games from now if he signed today.

Unless he had been given the playbook on a precautionary measure just in case his services were needed (and I highly, highly doubt that as it would kill us if he signed elsewhere in the conference), I can't imagine he could be ready by Sunday in any capacity.
If he is healthy enough to play  
rocco8112 : 10/1/2015 12:15 pm : link
I am in favor of this move. He could be a difference maker in the slot. Certainly an upgrade over what they have now.
RE: cvicszasz  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12518408 Eric from BBI said:
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is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.


Eric I just did a search... cvicszasz made one comment about high-energy white guys that really implied nothing. Other than that, he hasn't touched this issue as far as I can see.

What are you referencing where he was "right again."
Just catch the ball!  
Bleedin Blue : 10/1/2015 12:17 pm : link
when Eli throws it to you,and stay healthy! that's all we can hope for for Welker if he's signed.
Walker  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/1/2015 12:18 pm : link
could play a limited role after one practice.
RE: RE: cvicszasz  
steve in ky : 10/1/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12518501 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518408 Eric from BBI said:


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is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.



Eric I just did a search... cvicszasz made one comment about high-energy white guys that really implied nothing. Other than that, he hasn't touched this issue as far as I can see.

What are you referencing where he was "right again."


Eric already posted it.

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regarding Welker
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:38 am : link : reply

well... you guys love high energy white guys...
cvicszasz : 9/29/2015 6:33 pm

Welker'a phone will be ringing soon...
cvicszasz : 9/30/2015 3:41 pm
RE: RE: cvicszasz  
Curtis in VA : 10/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12518501 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518408 Eric from BBI said:


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is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.



Eric I just did a search... cvicszasz made one comment about high-energy white guys that really implied nothing. Other than that, he hasn't touched this issue as far as I can see.

What are you referencing where he was "right again."


He made two comments and they were both posted on this thread again by Eric.
Welker  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
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RE: RE: cvicszasz  
armstead98 : 10/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12518501 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518408 Eric from BBI said:


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is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.



Eric I just did a search... cvicszasz made one comment about high-energy white guys that really implied nothing. Other than that, he hasn't touched this issue as far as I can see.

What are you referencing where he was "right again."


Yesterday he said that Welker would be getting a call soon.
RE: RE: cvicszasz  
Big Blue '56 : 10/1/2015 12:22 pm : link
In comment 12518501 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518408 Eric from BBI said:


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is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.



Eric I just did a search... cvicszasz made one comment about high-energy white guys that really implied nothing. Other than that, he hasn't touched this issue as far as I can see.

What are you referencing where he was "right again."


Mike, FWIW:

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Welker'a phone will be ringing soon...
cvicszasz : 9/30/2015 3:41 pm


RE: Walker  
Simms11 : 10/1/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12518508 AP in Halfmoon said:
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could play a limited role after one practice.


Today is last practice this week?! Friday is their Spa day and Sat morn is a glorified walk through. How would he even practice this week? Next week would be s different story and could possibly help in certain packages.
...  
Toth029 : 10/1/2015 12:24 pm : link
I'm for it. Not expected to be a big time target, but one who can come in on third down or step up in relief. It can't be just Beckham with a little dose of Randle.
He's not even signed yet  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/1/2015 12:25 pm : link
There's no way he's playing Sunday
my concern with Welker  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/1/2015 12:27 pm : link
notwithstanding his concussion situation, is that I don't think he is a good fit with Eli.

Welker is a short, shifty receiver who thrives at catching the ball in stride and then gaining YAC across the middle of the field. He is not accustomed to catching balls over his shoulder pad level (This is the reason why that back shoulder throw in the Super Bowl was on Brady and not Welker. The Boston Globe analyzed every throw to Welker and he virtually never had jump balls, high throws, or back should throws targeted to him).

Eli's one throwing flaw is that he tends to throw a high ball and so I think this makes him a bad fit with Welker. Furthermore, in balls over the middle, whether an accuracy issue or a tactical decision, Eli tends to throw into the body of receivers to maximize possession as opposed to hitting guys in stride to maximize yardage.

Then again, beggars can't be choosers.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2015 12:29 pm : link
cvicszasz also posted after Flowers' injury that the team survived a big scare there.
What is Brandon Stokley doing these days  
BlueHurricane : 10/1/2015 12:30 pm : link
LOL
Is it going out on a limb to say we're signing Welker?  
widmerseyebrow : 10/1/2015 12:32 pm : link
Cruz might be out for an extended period and we just worked Welker out. So...
Am I the only person...  
RC02XX : 10/1/2015 12:37 pm : link
who find it almost comical to think that when (this is almost a given) we make it to the Super Bowl to play against the undefeated Patriots again, we may have Wes Welker making clutch catches to beat them again?

Jerry, make it so!
Wouldn't have to be going through all this...  
micky : 10/1/2015 12:39 pm : link
if you know who was still here....;-)
Holy hand-wringing over-thinkers!  
Beezer : 10/1/2015 12:39 pm : link
lol

RE: Am I the only person...  
Beezer : 10/1/2015 12:40 pm : link
In comment 12518569 RC02XX said:
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who find it almost comical to think that when (this is almost a given) we make it to the Super Bowl to play against the undefeated Patriots again, we may have Wes Welker making clutch catches to beat them again?

Jerry, make it so!


BOOM, BITCHES!!!
Love Welker  
joeinpa : 10/1/2015 12:42 pm : link
He helped Giants win a Super Bowl.
RE: Am I the only person...  
steve in ky : 10/1/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12518569 RC02XX said:
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who find it almost comical to think that when (this is almost a given) we make it to the Super Bowl to play against the undefeated Patriots again, we may have Wes Welker making clutch catches to beat them again?

Jerry, make it so!


Brady and Bills heads would explode
RE: RE: cvicszasz  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 10/1/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12518501 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518408 Eric from BBI said:


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is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.



Eric I just did a search... cvicszasz made one comment about high-energy white guys that really implied nothing. Other than that, he hasn't touched this issue as far as I can see.

What are you referencing where he was "right again."


Why so interested? Are you jealous?
I'd hate  
dorgan : 10/1/2015 12:48 pm : link
to be the coach that put him on the field to watch him suffer another concussion that left him with a long term disability.

^  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 12:50 pm : link
Lol, totally jealous. Has nothing to do with wanting validation that my favorite football team might sign a proven veteran.
RE: ^  
steve in ky : 10/1/2015 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12518602 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Lol, totally jealous. Has nothing to do with wanting validation that my favorite football team might sign a proven veteran.


Wouldn't Dottino saying so on the fan already have done that?
RE: I'd hate  
jcn56 : 10/1/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12518595 dorgan said:
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to be the coach that put him on the field to watch him suffer another concussion that left him with a long term disability.


To be honest, I'd hate to watch him suffer that injury. Although I think he'd help the O, a part of me just wants him to hang them up. First time he gets crushed across the middle we're going to be holding our breath.
RE: RE: ^  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12518606 steve in ky said:
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In comment 12518602 Mike in Long Beach said:


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Lol, totally jealous. Has nothing to do with wanting validation that my favorite football team might sign a proven veteran.



Wouldn't Dottino saying so on the fan already have done that?


So it's unacceptable to ask the administrator of the site who specifically cited a poster as having an inside scoop (one he also specifically said is more credible than Dottino's) to point out where the poster shared his info?
Well I haven't said this yet because it's been oversaid  
USAF NYG Fan : 10/1/2015 12:58 pm : link
all to often lately but .....

It would be nice if the Patriots went undefeated all the way to the SB. They face us and lose. Winning touchdown scored by .... yep Wes Welker. That's right, he catches this one.

Oh come on. Gotta admit, that would be awesome!
Signing  
AcidTest : 10/1/2015 12:59 pm : link
Welker is a mistake. It's tantamount to putting the team above his health. Just because he is dumb enough to try and continue playing, doesn't mean teams have to endorse his stupidity by signing him. He is one hit away from not being able to function mentally in a few years. And if that does happen, then he'll have to go on IR, and we'll have to sign someone else.
RE: RE: RE: ^  
Moondawg : 10/1/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12518615 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518606 steve in ky said:


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In comment 12518602 Mike in Long Beach said:


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Lol, totally jealous. Has nothing to do with wanting validation that my favorite football team might sign a proven veteran.



Wouldn't Dottino saying so on the fan already have done that?



So it's unacceptable to ask the administrator of the site who specifically cited a poster as having an inside scoop (one he also specifically said is more credible than Dottino's) to point out where the poster shared his info?


He's come up quite often. I remember many of his posts. You can also do a search for his name and see if it comes up.
RE: Signing  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12518625 AcidTest said:
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Welker is a mistake. It's tantamount to putting the team above his health. Just because he is dumb enough to try and continue playing, doesn't mean teams have to endorse his stupidity by signing him. He is one hit away from not being able to function mentally in a few years. And if that does happen, then he'll have to go on IR, and we'll have to sign someone else.


Acid, you have a good heart for saying this, but Wes is a big boy. The Giants aren't endorsing stupidity by signing him.
RE: Signing  
micky : 10/1/2015 1:04 pm : link
In comment 12518625 AcidTest said:
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Welker is a mistake. It's tantamount to putting the team above his health. Just because he is dumb enough to try and continue playing, doesn't mean teams have to endorse his stupidity by signing him. He is one hit away from not being able to function mentally in a few years. And if that does happen, then he'll have to go on IR, and we'll have to sign someone else.


This, I guess is the main reason why he hasn't latched onto another team. Guess teams are more concerned about his welfare rather that reaping the benefits of his play..(which i think he still has some at his age). I commend those teams, if that was/is the case of reason, in doing so.
lol  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 1:04 pm : link
moondawg, my opening statement was that I did a search and couldn't find anything, can you point me in the right direction. Oh you guys.
welfare = well being/health that is  
micky : 10/1/2015 1:04 pm : link
.
cvic also had some intel last year...  
Damon : 10/1/2015 1:06 pm : link
And if I recall correctly Eric, did he not break the Spags reunion days before anyone else?
I'd ask the Bears with their price is  
jlukes : 10/1/2015 1:07 pm : link
for Eddie Royal
Acid  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/1/2015 1:07 pm : link
That's ridiculous. The same could apply to all players. It's a violent sport that players choose to play.
why would he share his info?  
UConn4523 : 10/1/2015 1:07 pm : link
and why does it matter so much? Who cares, you'll know if its going to happen or not when everyone else does.
How about Hakeem Nicks  
George Adams : 10/1/2015 1:08 pm : link
I saw the Giants worked him out too.. how was his workout?
RE: lol  
micky : 10/1/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12518634 Mike in Long Beach said:
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moondawg, my opening statement was that I did a search and couldn't find anything, can you point me in the right direction. Oh you guys.


mike..copy and paste his user name into search 'users' then click on posts he commented on, and you'll see his quotes.
RE: why would he share his info?  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12518641 UConn4523 said:
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and why does it matter so much? Who cares, you'll know if its going to happen or not when everyone else does.


Doesn't matter to me, lol. I was asked if I asked where the post was located was because I was jealous.
RE: RE: cvicszasz  
BigBlueShock : 10/1/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12518501 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518408 Eric from BBI said:


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is better informed than Dottino...


He's posted for the last couple of years about stuff like surprise starters.



Eric I just did a search... cvicszasz made one comment about high-energy white guys that really implied nothing. Other than that, he hasn't touched this issue as far as I can see.

What are you referencing where he was "right again."

See Erics 11:38 post. This guy also mentions that Welkers phone will be ringing soon. Yesterday. I'm sure you'll just claim he's throwing darts, but he's obviously been right on other matters, so what's wrong with giving him the benefit of doubt?
I believe he even threw out some hints in draft as well  
micky : 10/1/2015 1:13 pm : link
if I remember correctly
BigBlueShock  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 1:13 pm : link
Not claiming anything, bud. That info was actually provided a while ago by BiB'56 and I said to myself "oh cool, there it is." It was awesome.
Inside info  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/1/2015 1:17 pm : link
who cares? If it happens, it happens. I only care when it's official. I'm not taking anything away from those who like the rumor mill but it doesn't interest me.
cvic's had good enough a number of times  
JonC : 10/1/2015 1:29 pm : link
over the past year or more, half of it I couldn't even confirm but it was on target in the end.
lol indeed  
Moondawg : 10/1/2015 1:50 pm : link
I did a search for fun and found this comment on a thread about cvicszaz and Fewell's firing. Took me 30 seconds

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This has to be a joke, lol
Mike in Long Beach : 1/7/2015 3:33 pm : link
He didn't... there was no... oh whatever.

All hail cvicszaz.


Remember him now?
RE: my concern with Welker  
BillKo : 10/1/2015 1:51 pm : link
In comment 12518536 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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notwithstanding his concussion situation, is that I don't think he is a good fit with Eli.

Welker is a short, shifty receiver who thrives at catching the ball in stride and then gaining YAC across the middle of the field. He is not accustomed to catching balls over his shoulder pad level (This is the reason why that back shoulder throw in the Super Bowl was on Brady and not Welker. The Boston Globe analyzed every throw to Welker and he virtually never had jump balls, high throws, or back should throws targeted to him).

Eli's one throwing flaw is that he tends to throw a high ball and so I think this makes him a bad fit with Welker. Furthermore, in balls over the middle, whether an accuracy issue or a tactical decision, Eli tends to throw into the body of receivers to maximize possession as opposed to hitting guys in stride to maximize yardage.

Then again, beggars can't be choosers.


Paul, some good analysis right there. I do, however, think that Welker could work out better for us, simply because Eli is in the second year of this "short passing" game offense, where Welker would mostly be utilized.

The longer throws would still be going to OBJ and RR......
He should be signed  
Rflairr : 10/1/2015 2:14 pm : link
Regardless of Cruz's MRI. Who really believes that even he comes back, you can count on him
Eli's had plenty of time to grow accustomed to receivers under 6'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2015 2:17 pm : link
Sure, his passes do sail often, but that's one of those things where the $100m QB has to deal with it.
RE: lol indeed  
micky : 10/1/2015 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12518749 Moondawg said:
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I did a search for fun and found this comment on a thread about cvicszaz and Fewell's firing. Took me 30 seconds



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This has to be a joke, lol
Mike in Long Beach : 1/7/2015 3:33 pm : link
He didn't... there was no... oh whatever.

All hail cvicszaz.



Remember him now?



haha
RE: Acid  
dorgan : 10/1/2015 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12518640 AP in Halfmoon said:
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That's ridiculous. The same could apply to all players. It's a violent sport that players choose to play.


Not all players have had 3 documented concussions in the last 9 months.

RE: RE: Acid  
Moondawg : 10/1/2015 2:34 pm : link
In comment 12518837 dorgan said:
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In comment 12518640 AP in Halfmoon said:


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That's ridiculous. The same could apply to all players. It's a violent sport that players choose to play.



Not all players have had 3 documented concussions in the last 9 months.


I'd love Welker in his prime or even a little after, and ultimately, it's his choice to play or not, but I'd hate for him to be our Chebret.
RE: lol indeed  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/1/2015 2:39 pm : link
In comment 12518749 Moondawg said:
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I did a search for fun and found this comment on a thread about cvicszaz and Fewell's firing. Took me 30 seconds



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This has to be a joke, lol
Mike in Long Beach : 1/7/2015 3:33 pm : link
He didn't... there was no... oh whatever.

All hail cvicszaz.



Remember him now?


Who said I didn't remember him? I said where is the post where he said Welker is likely coming in.
RE: RE: lol indeed  
Moondawg : 10/1/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12518850 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12518749 Moondawg said:


Quote:


I did a search for fun and found this comment on a thread about cvicszaz and Fewell's firing. Took me 30 seconds



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This has to be a joke, lol
Mike in Long Beach : 1/7/2015 3:33 pm : link
He didn't... there was no... oh whatever.

All hail cvicszaz.



Remember him now?



Who said I didn't remember him? I said where is the post where he said Welker is likely coming in.


Sorry. I thought you were asking where he "got it right" before. It's easy to find.
BillKo  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/1/2015 3:00 pm : link
I hope that's the case (should we sign him).
i believe  
Les in TO : 10/1/2015 3:05 pm : link
cvicszasz also posted recently implying that JPP has played his last game as a Giant so it will be interesting to see if that is also true.
RE: Wouldn't have to be going through all this...  
rickrossa : 10/1/2015 3:16 pm : link
In comment 12518570 micky said:
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if you know who was still here....;-)


You equate James Jones success in Green Bay to "what could have been" here with the GMEN. The only reason he is doing well is because of his QB. Rodgers is by far the best QB in the league.
Anyone hear the rest of Dottino's comments  
arniefez : 10/1/2015 3:18 pm : link
He was on with Joe & Evan. Here's what i remember:

The Giants defense is going to play like the Pats. Spagnolo knows Taylor from Baltimore and like Belchick he's one of the brightest defensive minds in the NFL. The Giants are going to confuse the hell out of Taylor and make him panic like the Pats did and force 3 turnovers.

The Giants are going to control the game on offense with a short quick passing game and passes to the TE. The Giants know they can't run on the Bills and they won't try.

The Giants are going to win the game he likes the matchup.

He spoke to Gilbride Sr and complained about the lack of deep passing but he agreed with Gilbride Sr that the Giants don't have a good enough OL to run deep routes.

Dittino is a very entertaining listen.
RE: Welker is on HGH and live in a whole house hyperbolic chamber  
djstat : 10/1/2015 3:19 pm : link
In comment 12518376 Torrag said:
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Well that's what I heard.....


Point being?
"The Giants know they can't run on the Bills and they won't try."  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2015 3:23 pm : link
I would be pleasantly surprised.

What I expect is plenty of andre williams plows into the line for no gains Because We Have To Have Balance.

cvicszasz is great.  
Mr. Bungle : 10/1/2015 3:42 pm : link
Clearly locked in. I like seeing him post.
If they were going to attack like NE, they should signed Welker  
Devon : 10/1/2015 4:00 pm : link
right away and gotten him a package of plays he could contribute with, even before Cruz had his official set back.

They have dreadful TEs and only one WR with any elusiveness or wiggle right now. Unless Vereen is going to be targeted 20 times, they just don't have the horses to play the game that style and do it effectively.
RE: Anyone hear the rest of Dottino's comments  
AcidTest : 10/1/2015 4:07 pm : link
In comment 12518949 arniefez said:
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He was on with Joe & Evan. Here's what i remember:

The Giants defense is going to play like the Pats. Spagnolo knows Taylor from Baltimore and like Belchick he's one of the brightest defensive minds in the NFL. The Giants are going to confuse the hell out of Taylor and make him panic like the Pats did and force 3 turnovers.

The Giants are going to control the game on offense with a short quick passing game and passes to the TE. The Giants know they can't run on the Bills and they won't try.

The Giants are going to win the game he likes the matchup.

He spoke to Gilbride Sr and complained about the lack of deep passing but he agreed with Gilbride Sr that the Giants don't have a good enough OL to run deep routes.

Dittino is a very entertaining listen.


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The Giants are going to control the game on offense with a short quick passing game and passes to the TE. The Giants know they can't run on the Bills and they won't try.


This presumes we have a TE. I have yet to see any evidence of that.
Dittino also said Vereen  
arniefez : 10/1/2015 4:11 pm : link
Would be the Giants MVP of the game
RE: BigBlueShock  
Big Blue '56 : 10/1/2015 4:26 pm : link
In comment 12518655 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Not claiming anything, bud. That info was actually provided a while ago by BiB'56 and I said to myself "oh cool, there it is." It was awesome.


Not ready for a bib yet..close, but not quite..
I want the Giants to win as much as anyone...  
Torrag : 10/1/2015 4:45 pm : link
...and Welker is a grown man and can make his own decisions.

Here is the rub. At what point should the organization decide we don't want to be a part of this player potentially harming his ability to function mentally after football. Do they have no responsibility to consider the mounting evidence of the effects of repeated head trauma in the sport? Are 3 diagnosed concussions in a year enough? 4? 5? 10?

How do you look yourself in the mirror as a Giants personnel guy if a decade from now Welker finds himself in a situation similar to Junior Seau? Protecting the long term quality of life for NFL players to the best of their ability should be priority number one. Not wins and losses.
Evan asked Dittino if Welker looked so good  
arniefez : 10/1/2015 5:56 pm : link
Why doesn't he have a job. Dittino said he's been blackballed because of the sensitivity around head injuries. There was no follow up about whether the blackball has been lifted. Like I said Dittino is radio gold.
I don't disagree the Giants have an obligation to  
Bleedblue10 : 10/1/2015 10:35 pm : link
Keep all the players safe and not risk any of their future good health to win games but I'm sure the organization knows this and will do their due diligence. I for one would love to have Welker in the slot if they say he's good to go then I trust he's good to go. So as a fan if he joins the team I for one will root like hell for him and also pray the same way for his health as we should all our players or anyone playing this game for that matter. Cause at the end of the day(To borrow a quote from Antrel) it's just a game and as much as we want our team to win their are more important things in life
didn't we sign Shane Vereen to play the position  
Jersey55 : 10/2/2015 10:51 am : link
that we're all wanting Welker to play.....
All I'm saying is..  
Vin R : 10/2/2015 12:33 pm : link
Don't scare cvicszasz away please.. Thanks
Welker is not good to go  
arniefez : 10/2/2015 1:17 pm : link
He's never going to be good to go. We know enough about head injuries to know he already sustained way past a safe level. If he comes back it's only a matter of when the next one occurs and it won't take any kind of a major direct hit.
It seems unlikely that Welker would be ready immediately after signing  
GeofromNJ : 10/2/2015 2:01 pm : link
Seems to me to be effective, Welker and Eli would have to be reading the coverage the same way and reacting accordingly. Can Welker do this after one day's practice? I kinda doubt it.
RE: It seems unlikely that Welker would be ready immediately after signing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12520712 GeofromNJ said:
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Seems to me to be effective, Welker and Eli would have to be reading the coverage the same way and reacting accordingly. Can Welker do this after one day's practice? I kinda doubt it.


That may not be true anymore. To hear the players talk about it since last season, the option routes that used to be a big part of the offense with Gilbride are very few in number if not gone completely.

RE: RE: It seems unlikely that Welker would be ready immediately after signing  
GeofromNJ : 10/2/2015 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12520734 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12520712 GeofromNJ said:


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Seems to me to be effective, Welker and Eli would have to be reading the coverage the same way and reacting accordingly. Can Welker do this after one day's practice? I kinda doubt it.



That may not be true anymore. To hear the players talk about it since last season, the option routes that used to be a big part of the offense with Gilbride are very few in number if not gone completely.

There may not be as many, Ton, or be as complicated, but there's gotta be some I would think. And I do recall that some players complained about Gilbride's complicated reads.
RE: I want the Giants to win as much as anyone...  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 10/2/2015 5:13 pm : link
In comment 12519156 Torrag said:
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...and Welker is a grown man and can make his own decisions.

Here is the rub. At what point should the organization decide we don't want to be a part of this player potentially harming his ability to function mentally after football. Do they have no responsibility to consider the mounting evidence of the effects of repeated head trauma in the sport? Are 3 diagnosed concussions in a year enough? 4? 5? 10?

How do you look yourself in the mirror as a Giants personnel guy if a decade from now Welker finds himself in a situation similar to Junior Seau? Protecting the long term quality of life for NFL players to the best of their ability should be priority number one. Not wins and losses.


I think they can be trusted to make the decision. As much as the rumor is that they push guys back on the field, the Giants did the right thing with Wilson due to the congenital spinal stenosis and let him go. If Welker is an eggshell, they won't sign him.
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