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NFT: Better Athlete - Sehorn or DRC?

CMicks3110 : 10/2/2015 12:44 pm
At Corner. I think it's close. What is your thoughts?
some  
pjcas18 : 10/2/2015 12:49 pm : link
people will claim Sehorn is overrated on here because he is white and played CB, but he was an incredible athlete.

DRC is world class fast and a good athlete himself.

no clue how you differentiate them.
both are/were tremendous athletes  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2015 12:50 pm : link
Not sure of what Sehorn's measurable were, so it's hard to make a direct comparison. DRC is probably a little more fluid in his movements, but both were big and fast. Sehorn could really jump too. I don't know that I've seen DRC jump like that, but I saw a lot more of Sehorn so who knows.
Sehorn was an absolute freak  
Jackson Ellis : 10/2/2015 12:50 pm : link
Too bad his injury blew up his career. DRC is injury prone himself.

DRC is probably the fastest Giant right now, faster than Sehorn for sure, but in terms of being the better athlete, I think Sehorn was the more agile one.
Is DRC faster than Sehorn was?  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2015 12:53 pm : link
I don't know. If he is, it's not by much. IIRC Sehorn had 4.3 speed.
RE: some  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/2/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12520513 pjcas18 said:
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people will claim Sehorn is overrated on here because he is white and played CB, but he was an incredible athlete.

DRC is world class fast and a good athlete himself.

no clue how you differentiate them.


This is a legitimate question. Has there been a single white cornerback since Sehorn?
RE: Is DRC faster than Sehorn was?  
pjcas18 : 10/2/2015 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12520524 Greg from LI said:
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I don't know. If he is, it's not by much. IIRC Sehorn had 4.3 speed.



DRC is faster but not by much, DRC ran a sub 4.3 40, Sehorn 4.3.

DRC is one of the 25 fastest players to play (in 2011). Sehorn not far behind.

it's why I say it's hard to differentiate them.

On a side note, just read that there have been no white cornerbacks  
widmerseyebrow : 10/2/2015 1:02 pm : link
in the NFL since Sehorn (if you don't include Julian Edelman playing out of necessity). That's crazy.
I'd pick Sehorn  
JonC : 10/2/2015 1:12 pm : link
He was an off the charts athlete, he also won those competitions among pro athletes on more than one occasion.
Being fast is just one measure of athletic ability  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2015 1:14 pm : link
Sehorn was also big and strong. I love DRC as a player, but he's wiry and maybe a bit brittle. Sehorn was almost a prototype kam chancellor.
Giants Chronicles  
Gordo : 10/2/2015 1:36 pm : link
Sehorn..Good stuff there
Link - ( New Window )
Sehorn before his injury was the superior athlete  
TheMick7 : 10/2/2015 1:37 pm : link
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I don't know  
ZogZerg : 10/2/2015 1:42 pm : link
I didn't see DRC play the last 2 weeks...
there hadn't been white CBs for a while before Sehorn, too  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2015 1:42 pm : link
The last one before him was Scott Case of the Falcons in the late '80s.
Sehorn was a lot bigger  
Vanzetti : 10/2/2015 1:59 pm : link
and just about as fast. Better athlete overall imo.

Sehorn's just wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Sehorn was bigger  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2015 2:03 pm : link
But he made a mistake when he got a LOT bigger after the knee injury. He beefed up to 230 pounds and lost his quickness. He played a lot better at 210.
Sehorn  
mrvax : 10/2/2015 2:13 pm : link
excelled at many sports and physical endeavors. Not sure about DRC. Sehorn probably could have been in the Olympics and done well in multiple events in his prime.

Sehorn wasn't injury prone. He had that one knee and that's it as far as I know.
It is very odd  
mrvax : 10/2/2015 2:16 pm : link
that there are no white players in the NFL that could do well at CB. this may have to do with fast-twitch muscles vs. slow-twitch.

However, I thought that would be a tenancy, not a rule as we see the distribution of black & white Oline 7 Dline players.

I wonder if Sehorn could have been a good WR?
We'll never know but...  
Torrag : 10/2/2015 2:21 pm : link
...Sehorn was a tougher player and a willing tackler.
As a speedy rangy quick, tall, long CB?  
TreesForDays : 10/2/2015 2:29 pm : link
DRC

At being a monster like lebron athletically? Sehorn

Short answer Sehorn but not by much. DRC is incredibly fast and fluid and long.
Btw DRC has only missed 2 games in his career  
TreesForDays : 10/2/2015 2:30 pm : link
For those that say he is injury prone.

I could be wrong but I think he's missed 2 games in his whole career including last week
Didn't Sehorn  
Moondawg : 10/2/2015 2:33 pm : link
win the NFL's greatest athlete competition?
Sehorn has said  
est1986 : 10/2/2015 2:48 pm : link
his best 40 time ever was a 4.37 and that was fresh out of college. DRC can run and jump like few people in the world. Sehorn had the size that DRC does not have so if you add that into the mix with athletic ability then maybe they are equals but as it stands DRC is on another level.
DRC hasn't missed many games  
Greg from LI : 10/2/2015 2:49 pm : link
But he always seems to be playing through some nagging injury.

The interesting thing is that there are always at least a handful of white receivers, but not cornerbacks. The athletic traits are similar for both positions, so you'd think there would be more overlap.
RE: DRC hasn't missed many games  
Tesla : 10/2/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12520845 Greg from LI said:
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But he always seems to be playing through some nagging injury.

The interesting thing is that there are always at least a handful of white receivers, but not cornerbacks. The athletic traits are similar for both positions, so you'd think there would be more overlap.


One of the things mentioned in the awesome video linked above is that Sehorn started as a WR in JUCO and only switched to DB at USC because they told him he could start right away if he switched and he'd be a backup at WR.

Sehorn was much larger  
Tuckrule : 10/2/2015 3:49 pm : link
And the difference in speed was negligible. I'd vote for sehorn. Also sehorn had great hands I doubt cromarties are anywhere near that legel
Sehorn  
montanagiant : 10/2/2015 4:04 pm : link
Was signed to a MLB contract by the Cubs as a freshman in College. Won the Superstars competition 3 years running. Played WR in College and then moved to DB.

One of the most complete athletes around during the early 2000's
RE: Sehorn was much larger  
Ira : 10/2/2015 4:12 pm : link
In comment 12520955 Tuckrule said:
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And the difference in speed was negligible. I'd vote for sehorn. Also sehorn had great hands I doubt cromarties are anywhere near that legel


That sums it up.
As I used to saw when Sehorn was his prime..  
blueblood : 10/2/2015 11:04 pm : link
2/3 of the Earth are covered by water..

The rest is covered by Sehorn...
Sehorn  
B in ALB : 10/2/2015 11:10 pm : link
He was fast, violent, durable and mentally strong. The only white DB in the league, got crazy shit yapped on the field and still dominated. Not to mention he was big. Built like a truck. Dude could run like a gazelle. He was an all around beast. The stupid kick return ruined what could have been a HoF career. He was sick.
Sehorn was better overall athlete  
PA Giant Fan : 10/2/2015 11:12 pm : link
But DRC has an extra gear that few have ever had in football. When he hits it, everyone looks like they are barely moving. I love watching that guy run.
Sehorn was definitely stronger and a better athlete overall.  
arcarsenal : 10/2/2015 11:20 pm : link
But DRC is a little faster. DRC is easily one of the fastest players I've seen in a Giants uni. When he kicks it into top gear the dude flat out flies.
Straight line speed is one thing  
B in ALB : 10/2/2015 11:24 pm : link
The ability to stick your foot in the ground and drive on a route or flip your hips and sheperd a receiver out is what Sehorn was great at. He was lockdown city.
Watching that video  
PA Giant Fan : 10/2/2015 11:29 pm : link
Watch how much hand checking that goes on....
Sehorn was better IMO  
Giants2012 : 10/3/2015 9:50 am : link
Sehorn was bigger, more physical corner who could even out leap the taller receivers. He was approx 213lbs, had very good instincts, COD, etc.

Flat out speed, I'd say Cro but the total package I'd go with Sehorn without question.
Sehorn was like Herschel Walker  
Chaka : 10/3/2015 9:54 am : link
Crazy Stamina. Not just the explosiveness. Not tired at end of drills when other players were dying
Sehorn  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/3/2015 10:52 am : link
.
For us that are a little younger..  
donnyfootball : 10/3/2015 11:02 am : link
What exactly cut Seahorn's career short? Was it one play that led to his nagging knee injury?
Opening kick return  
Howyadoin : 10/3/2015 11:11 am : link
Fassel decided to use him.
My opinion better than Cromartie
RE: For us that are a little younger..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12521529 donnyfootball said:
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What exactly cut Seahorn's career short? Was it one play that led to his nagging knee injury?


He tore up his knee returning a kick, I believe. Wanted to do it, and Fassel agreed to let him.

Was it microfracture? In that time, you didn't come back from injuries like that.
RE: RE: For us that are a little younger..  
mrvax : 10/3/2015 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12521668 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He tore up his knee returning a kick, I believe. Wanted to do it, and Fassel agreed to let him.

Was it microfracture? In that time, you didn't come back from injuries like that.


It was a preseason game vs. Jets. Fassel did not want Sehorn to return ko's but Sehorn nagged him. I guess after Sehorn proved his worth to Fassel, maybe he earned Jim's respect too.

Either way, Fassel relented and the rest is history. To answer the above question, Sehorn never had the ability to cut on a dime after his surgery. I suppose it was similar to what happened to Steve Smith, Jr.

I really hope Victor Cruz with the advances in surgery can do what those 2 guys couldn't.
Sehorn  
MotownGIANTS : 10/3/2015 8:59 pm : link
was better and I'd take him over DRC any day!
at their peaks  
WeatherMan : 10/3/2015 9:02 pm : link
DRC was faster, Sehorn was bigger, both were damn talented. Wish they could've stayed healthy on both fronts.
Sehorn used to eat Michael Irving  
section125 : 10/3/2015 9:51 pm : link
alive. Irving would push off a lot on CBs, not on Sehorn and Sehorn ran step for step with him.
RE: Sehorn used to eat Michael Irving  
mrvax : 10/3/2015 10:32 pm : link
In comment 12522154 section125 said:
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alive. Irving would push off a lot on CBs, not on Sehorn and Sehorn ran step for step with him.


Section, I remember Irvin pushing off all the time and the refs rarely if ever called it. I used to get livid over it.

to rub salt in the wound  
pjcas18 : 10/3/2015 10:39 pm : link
of Sehorn, the Giants, and Giants fans, his one pre-season game kick off return was great, one slipped tackle away from breaking it.

he caught it about the 1, weaved through traffic to about the 35 and had someone roll up on his leg.

from the way it looked he could have been a legit KR threat too.

5:40 mark of the video (and this is a great video if you want to see Sehorn's career in a nutshell
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RE: RE: Sehorn used to eat Michael Irving  
section125 : 10/3/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12522183 mrvax said:
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In comment 12522154 section125 said:


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alive. Irving would push off a lot on CBs, not on Sehorn and Sehorn ran step for step with him.



Section, I remember Irvin pushing off all the time and the refs rarely if ever called it. I used to get livid over it.


exactly
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