Here it comes, maybe: New monthly poll from Investor's Business Daily/TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence shows this:
That actually looks pretty favorable for Rubio. Bush can't get any momentum, Fiorina will fade, and Carson would be a disaster for the Republicans
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I think Jeb sucks, but cribbing that quote to suggest that his response to a mass shooting was simply to say "stuff happens" was unfair.
I understand his appeal but under finer scrutiny I don't think he can take it all.
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"Stuff happens" response to Oregon did not serve him well. Its Rubio's time to step up. We will see if he has it in him...
I think Jeb sucks, but cribbing that quote to suggest that his response to a mass shooting was simply to say "stuff happens" was unfair.
“But I resist the notion—and I had this challenge as governor—because we had—look, stuff happens, there’s always a crisis. And the impulse is always to do something and it’s not necessarily the right thing to do.”
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I think comparing people on one side of the aisle who may have policy preferences that you disagree with, to complete maniacs, dimwits and billionaire clowns without a single clue about anything outside of real estate, golf courses, bad TV shows and young foreign models, is a bit unfair. You may not like Hilary Clinton but she's not a fanatic or a dummy and she has valid experience and knowledge about the world. There is something terrifying about trump and/or Carson leading any poll at any time. I almost feel badly for reasonable conservatives who have to choose between such an embarrassing list. How is it possible that there is literally no one more appealing and capable than that selection of characters?
Separately, the GOP has a real problem. Wealthy moderate Republicans I know here in NYC are terrified as they saw Bush or perhaps Kasich as their shot. Its like their party has deserted them. They tell me they wish Bloomberg would get in. Dems I know here are disillusioned with HRC personally but will hold their noses and vote for her unless Joe gets in.
Zero chance he's in this spot in three months so what's the point?
I'd hate to see another Clinton/Bush ticket - along with many others probably.
I usually vote for the Libertarian candidate out of principle, but haven't looked into their candidate yet.
I was torn between McClain and Obama, but at least felt that neither would be a disaster. Once Palin was chosen (probably not by McClain) thst choice was easy for me.
Overall I'm just depressed.
Zero chance he's in this spot in three months so what's the point?
I think Carson's popularity is a combination of his appeal to social conservatives (still a force even if not as strong as in the past), and also the same displeasure with establishment politicians that's helping fuel Trump's and Fiorina's poll numbers.
- Trump has backing from unions as they know he can work the jobs angle likely better any of the candidates, and also is not for illegal immigrants solely being awarded those jobs like the current administration.
- unions don't like Hillary, they like Biden
- Biden considering entering race in a few weeks.
Seems like the only way out our economic mess is growth, jobs, and smaller government. Saunders or establishment republicans and democrats will complete the destruction of our country. Hopefully our nation figures that out before it's too late. At some point it needs to be about Americans and not about corporate non-soverign interests, outsiders (illegals), etc.
Imo, the Republican candidate response to the shootings was sad. Look, you don't have to believe in major changes in gun laws, but is it too much to ask that registration laws be tightened, large ammo clips be outlawed, and other minor changes be considered? Even if that wouldn't have changed anything given the fact pattern in Oregon?
Btw, what kind of fuck-ups must the shooter's family have been to think he was sane enough to have 13 assorted firearms? They had to know at least how much he owned, and ought to at least have asked why. If they knew and did nothing, they should be arrested--and sued, of course.
If people think that the Trump, Carson, and Fiorina voters are going to say nevermind, we want an establishment candidate, you're nuts. First, I dont see these guys racing to drop out from a top 4 slot with no clear front runner other than Trump (who cant win -- see unfavorables). But if you count someones as sitting pretty once to neophytes drop out, it's Cruz. IMO he is the heir apparent to the Trump voter. And my guess is that a lot of the non-Trump/Carson vote is just looking for a winner after 8 years of Obama.
I don't know if Trump is a Christian or not, don't really care but his behavior and actions historically are not what I would call traditional Christian to be kind. Do believe want to believe that bad?
I do wonder if many of the Carson voters go to Trump and vice versa should one drop out. I think that would be the case.
The love of Rubio is because of those near the top, he is the biggest threat as seen by democrats, the most realistic or at least the one people can fathom happening at this point.
And you will never get the guns out of this country. I know too many people that live and breath this shit. I think its a little bizarre. I do enjoy shooting, served in the military, its fun. But there are plenty of people that just live and breath and talk about this stuff 24/7 like its fishing, boating, baseball, football etc..
I know the stats and the gun rights, 2nd amendment folks lose on all those arguments but it won't change anything.
Is there really anything that is going to prevent these things that can possibly be done? I am not sure. Canadians have plenty of guns, they just don't kill eachother as often.
The President is 100% right when he compares terrorism #s of deaths to gun violence deaths but if statistics drove change, like facts they don't seem to matter much.
I don't know if Trump is a Christian or not, don't really care but his behavior and actions historically are not what I would call traditional Christian to be kind. Do believe want to believe that bad?
I do wonder if many of the Carson voters go to Trump and vice versa should one drop out. I think that would be the case.
The love of Rubio is because of those near the top, he is the biggest threat as seen by democrats, the most realistic or at least the one people can fathom happening at this point.
no offense to some people but is it just possible that the base of that party aren't exactly highly evolved individuals? Like for instance, if there was a license to vote, they wouldn't pass the test ever in their lives.
Until we shrink the amount of candidates , We can not get an accurate read.
Please , those with less than 5% please drop out
Until we shrink the amount of candidates , We can not get an accurate read.
Please , those with less than 5% please drop out
There are serious candidates with <5% of the vote. And they'd post respectable poll numbers if the polls weren't skewed by flavors of the month.
Even provided a link.
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"Stuff happens" response to Oregon did not serve him well. Its Rubio's time to step up. We will see if he has it in him...
I think Jeb sucks, but cribbing that quote to suggest that his response to a mass shooting was simply to say "stuff happens" was unfair.
Unfair in that, that is exactly what he said? In context.... come on man he said it he meant it. Wagons were no meant to be driven only in circles.....
As far as the worst tin eared comment from Jeb, this is barely top 5. I still have not stopped being pissed about the free stuff BS! The ONLY people in America who get free stuff are already rich enough to pay for the lobbyists who procured their free stuff for them. Oh and since the USSC apparently thinks corporations are people, they comprise the vast majority of "people" who get free stuff....
Again, I don't like Jeb, I don't want another Bush (or Clinton) in the White House, but the reporting on this clearly mischaracterized what he was saying.
Come on, He was directly asked a question regarding if prayer would help stop these shootings prior to them happening, and this was his response:
You can't honestly sit here and claim that is taken out of context. I understand he is not really that callous and he was most likely buying time to get his thoughts together but yes he was talking specifically about the shootings. Where he really screws up is when he tried to salvage that quote but doubling down and saying:
“Things happen all the time,” Mr. Bush said. “Things. Is that better?”
THEN he attempts to use an analogy that is asinine, especially considering he did exactly what he was attempting to point out as being the wrong way to handle this:
Unfortunately for Jeb he did exactly that. He passed a law in 2000 called the "Preston de Ibern/McKenzie Merriam Residential Swimming Pool Safety Act.” which is named after a child who drowned in a pool without a fence.
He took a simple misspoken statement, and somehow turned that into one of the most bumbling silly ass attempts at spinning seen so far this cycle.
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You make a post like this , this is by far the only Poll I have seen that doesn't have Trump still in the lead .., are the other dozen Polls wrong ? I don't think so..,
Until we shrink the amount of candidates , We can not get an accurate read.
Please , those with less than 5% please drop ou
There are serious candidates with <5% of the vo. And they'd post respectable poll numbers if the polls weren't skewed by flavors of the month. [/quot
Like who lol ?
Can someone explain Hillary Clinton? The one time that she tried to make her own name in politics she failed miserably and was chased out of Washington. Then she found Bill and blackmailed him into marriage (not my words his) and found new success as First Lady of Arkansas. Her marriage license is her resume.
I refuse to give either of those two credit for their family members success.
For the first 200 years of the republic, marriage was the main path by which women achieved prominence in politics. Hillary is part of a transitional generation in that regard. A lot of women I respect see Hillary ultimately eclipsing Bill as an important symbol of how far they have come. Whether that's a good reason to support her candidacy, I don't know. It seems to me that we could do a lot worse, and if there's a problem with HRC, it's not her resume.
As for the Bushes, the last one with a presidential resume was GHWB. I personally find their links to the Saudis more troubling than any of the skeletons in Hillary's closet; but my cynical side says that both sets of issues have been exaggerated by their opponents.
Bush has the same problem as Romney in 2012. He's thinking ahead to the general election and it's causing him to suffer now. He wants to come off as the "serious" candidate in a field filled with a bunch of non-serious people - but at the same time he's had to show he has personality and a sense of humor, which is essential in the era of social media.
Bush is clearly most comfortable when he can just focus on policy, which may have served him well in the 20th century, but today's candidates are asked to comment on trending stories in the news, be viciously combative towards their opponents, and do improv on late shows and sketch comedies.
Bush likely won't last too much longer - he's trying to be something he's not and it's leading to all of these missteps. What's scary is that if Donald Trump even remotely sounded competent on policy issues he would be a certain nominee for the republicans.
As for Hillary, the Senate and State experience are significant. I dont understand the people who paint her has just a wife of a President.
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Yes, there is a problem called herding in that polling entities refuse to believe things are happen, then you have the small data problem. Sometimes more data beats bigger/better algorithms. I think one of the more accurate firms from the last election used mainly web and some modified bayes algorithms with more data instead of making phone calls. If you want an example, look at what happened in Europe...the traditional polling methods were a disaster.
So you can't handle reality? You can't accept that "stuff" does happen that cannot not be predicted nor stopped? I'm tired of being lied to, maybe you are not. But I'd rather a candidate tell the truth or admit they don't have an answer then be lied too. I don't want to be placated. You already said you know that the President isn't omniscient, so you would rather be lied to. I don't believe that about you.
They looked at this morning's poll releases on Morning Joe today and the one constant theme is just how poor Hillary does. The only candidate she consistently beats is Trump. Someone above said Bloomberg should run as a Democrat. I think, outside of Sander's hard core base he would sweep the field and be the prohibitive favorite in the general.
It wasn't out of context. His intention was not to make light of the tragedy. He just made terrible choice of words. But the discussion was clearly about gun violence in general and the Oregon shooting was talked about specifically.
That isn't something that would appear to have any chance of changing this late in his career, and his potential political and financial backers know it.
An excerpt, full interview linked below ...
Carson: Let me put it this way: if I were the president, I would not sign an increased budget. Absolutely would not do it. They would have to find a place to cut.
Ryssdal: To be clear, it's increasing the debt limit, not the budget, but I want to make sure I understand you. You'd let the United States default rather than raise the debt limit.
Carson: No, I would provide the kind of leadership that says, "Get on the stick guys, and stop messing around, and cut where you need to cut, because we're not raising any spending limits, period."
Ryssdal: I'm gonna try one more time, sir. This is debt that's already obligated. Would you not favor increasing the debt limit to pay the debts already incurred?
Carson: What I'm saying is what we have to do is restructure the way that we create debt. I mean if we continue along this, where does it stop? It never stops. You're always gonna ask the same question every year. And we're just gonna keep going down that pathway. That's one of the things I think that the people are tired of.
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Nobody. The only people who think he's a Republican are the extremely progressive NY republicans. He's not winning bet state even if they ran Anthony Weiner. Talk about a horrible candidate
Not sure how this applies to the 3 million pussies Polish Jews murdered in the Holocaust, including members of my family.
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Yeah people who had listened to what he said over the last couple years knew this was coming. Not necessarily like this, but in some form.
Seriously, dumbest fucking brain surgeon ever.
From his somehow blaming OR shooting victims to this...dude is off the chart crazy.
Helluva lot smarter than me & 99% of BBIers. But he's insane.
Yes most people don't understand you can be brilliant savant in something but still be batsh*t crazy .. example see Bobby Fisher
I don't agree with him on many issues, but I don't think he deserves the rabid vitriol that he gets.
“He would've had a seizure over it,” Carson told Steve Malzberg in an exclusive interview that aired Tuesday on Newmax TV.
It's all entertainment until the primaries start.
Having said that, there is an argument to fighting back when in those situations. For example, post 9-11 - I don't think you'll see passengers surrender control of a plane to armed terrorists. The problem is that it is always easier to argue what one would have done in those situations. The barrel of a gun has been known to alter one's perspective.
"Guy comes in, put the gun in my ribs. And I just said, 'I believe that you want the guy behind the counter,'" Carson.
Trump/Carson 2016. A Popeye's organization? Nice job of throwing the cashier under the bus.
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Yeah, maybe. He is a very strong campaigner.
This thing is WIDE open. Im starting to believe that Cruz will be a huge power broker, if not the nominee. I dont see the Trump supporters (people I think are more RV than LV) as going to an establishment candidate. Ditto Carson supporters. Not sure about Fiorina. I think Cruz could start picking up delegates.
On a retail level, I'd usually bet on governors. Christie in particular, though it appears as of now that GOP voters just dont want him.
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"I have had a gun held on me when I was in a Popeye's organization" in Baltimore, the retired neurosurgeon told Karen Hunter on Sirius XM Radio, referring to the fried chicken fast-food chain.
"Guy comes in, put the gun in my ribs. And I just said, 'I believe that you want the guy behind the counter,'" Carson.
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What the fuck is going through the mind of someone who says this while running for president?
I kinda think Buford is actually right regarding the content of his statement - he didn't blame the victims, he just said what he would do in that situation. Doesn't change the fact that what he said is downright fucking idiotic, as if it's a good idea to rally people up to charge a mass shooter. The way he laughed it off was so WTF as well.
How could a neurosurgeon posit this as a viable solution for being caught in a shooting? "CMON GUYS LETS RUSH HIM!".
But hey, if he claims he'd charge a mass shooter, good for him. I doubt he actually would, but if Ben Carson actually did tackle a shooter, I'm sure people would consider him a hero. I just don't understand how he could imply that it'd be a good idea to rally up other people to charge him. Dude's living in a fantasy world.
That's more egregious than his throwaway wannabe-hero comments about the Oregon shooting, IMO. The Oregon shooting soundbyte is just that - a soundbyte. Not knowing what the debt ceiling is just shows how uninformed he is when it comes to the intersection of economics and public policy.
I'm not saying he's a gifted politician like Bill Clinton, but compared to the people he's running against he's just much better at it. I mean, Jeb is a tongue-tied dolt saddled with a last name that hurts him. Cruz comes off as smug and combative. Kasich is, at best, prickly, and he's been running the Huntsman lets-poke-at-the-base playbook. Fiorina has her fans, but I just don't consider her an actual contender for a variety of reasons.
And Christie will never, ever get anywhere. Not this year, not any year. 2012 was his window, when Republicans outside of the northeast only knew about him taking on public unions, and he passed it up. Now he's got a million negatives when it comes to the nomination - he was seen as overly chummy with Obama right before the election in 2012, he's a big government guy in the W mold, pro-gun control, got that Bridgegate aftertaste hanging around, and while it's superficial being a fat bastard doesn't help him either.
Something about Rubio screams fraud to me. I cant put my finger on it -- just has my antennae up.
Proof, other than the fund raising? In surveys, the former governor of Florida, and the sitting Senator from Florida, together in total are polling below Trump, IN FLORIDA.
Mind-boggling but true.
Something about Rubio screams fraud to me. I cant put my finger on it -- just has my antennae up.
Remember, at this point in 2008 McCain was pretty much dead in the water, both in the polls and in funding. I wouldn't count Rubio out at this point.
Greg: Some truth to what you're saying, but I think part of the story for Bush being done was supposed to be Rubio overtaking him, not inheriting his support by default. I agree he seems done big picture, but the Rubio case is less compelling if he cant outdraw Carson.
Greg: Some truth to what you're saying, but I think part of the story for Bush being done was supposed to be Rubio overtaking him, not inheriting his support by default. I agree he seems done big picture, but the Rubio case is less compelling if he cant outdraw Carson.
Remember, at this point in 2008 McCain was pretty much dead in the water, both in the polls and in funding. I wouldn't count Rubio out at this point.
I agree - I don't think he has the charisma of Bill Clinton or even 08 Obama, but he's a cut above everyone else (including the Dems) in terms of 'likability'. I think him or Kasich are the most likely to win a general too - and Rubio seems closer to the base than Kasich, so I expect him to get the nod.
I suspect the presidency isn't his (realistic) end game at this point.
And Greg, we have Bob Shrum, of whom Wikipedia says: "Critics often point out a 'curse' associated with the presidential campaigns that Shrum has worked on, since he has yet to claim victory for any of his candidates in eight presidential elections." Including Gore and Kerry. So I dont want to hear it.
It's always funny to see guys who repeatedly fail get gigs over and over again - we see it all the time in sports as well.
Deej-true, I don't know how Shrum kept getting hired either.
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Hey- I saw Kasich on the side of a milk carton today. I guess Weaver's doing a bang up job. Hell, Christie is getting more air time.