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EricJ : 10/4/2015 4:22 pm
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YESHHHHH  
giantfan2000 : 10/4/2015 4:22 pm : link
ugly but a win
i will take it
Was looking very shaky there for a while  
EricJ : 10/4/2015 4:22 pm : link
but they reached down and pulled it out. They finished
A win is a win. I'm happy  
Jackson Ellis : 10/4/2015 4:23 pm : link
But our 4th quarter clock management needs an intervention...
Giants win  
Pink Ranger : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
Eagles choke. Good day so far.
penalties made that one ugly game  
nyynyg : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
but I will take it.
Yes!!  
Mike B from JC : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
Finally they finish.every week has been a adventure. Now back in the thick of things.
team needs a primer on  
bluepepper : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
football math. Up 3 with 2 minutes to go - need TD. Up 14 with 4 minutes left - just need 3.
Ugly game  
illmatic : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
but I'll take it. They played well against a good team in a hostile environment. The D was awesome but the offense still needs all kinds of work.

And as a bonus, the Eagles lost.
Game ball to SPAGS and the defense  
dpinzow : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
Awesome performance. Kennard's phenomenal leaping INT on the sideline turned the game early

Jennings finished the game with that fantastic effort down the sideline. Bills are undisciplined and that helped us out a lot

WTF is going on with clock management in the 4th again
Mcadoo  
KWhite2250 : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
Needs to be roped in with his playcalling. Wtf was that in the end? A fucking fg makes it impossible to win moron
2-2  
rebel yell : 10/4/2015 4:24 pm : link
and heading to SF. I can live with that. NFCE is ours to win!
WTF is with the coaching staff?  
Marty866b : 10/4/2015 4:25 pm : link
Why did they feel compelled to score a TD instead of running the clock,kick the FG,and go up by 17 with little time left. This has happened before(Dallas anyone). I don't understand it. It is like everyone goes mentally retarded at the end of each game.
On the other hand, big win.
RE: 2-2  
Jackson Ellis : 10/4/2015 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12524310 rebel yell said:
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and heading to SF. I can live with that. NFCE is ours to win!


It's a home game for the Giants.
Great win  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/4/2015 4:25 pm : link
Really surprised and impressed by how much the Giants controlled the game today for the most part.

The defense is playing way over their talent level right now. Although todays performance was aided by the wounded competition, Spags has these guys generally looking competent this year. While i have major concerns about the sustainability of the play on that side of the ball, football can be weird and maybe Spags can find a way to mold this group into a formidable unit somehow without much of a pass rush.

I really like the look of our passing game and have since the start of last year. The 2nd half wasnt real pretty outside of the Jennings catch and run. But generally speaking, Eli is playing by far the best football of his career in this new system (save 2011). No matter what happens this year I would like to find a way to keep Macadoo around, because im a fan. Sick catch by ODB again even though he was out of bounds. The guy is unreal. Its becoming old hat, one day the dude is probably just gonna snatch one out of the air with his dick while keeping his feet in bounds and maintaining possession to the ground for a score. He may have even already done that on one of his youtube videos that make the rounds. Im so glad he wasnt hurt on that Jennings TD.

Its nice to see Reuben Randle out there healthy and making plays the last couple weeks. The numbers are getting small though at WR with Cruz's issues, at some point you have to sign a guy. I dont like going into these games with 4 active WR.

As a total aside (and this may sound weird to some) i really enjoyed the aesthetics of this game. The Giants road unis and Bills home unis are a nice combo together under that Buffalo sun. This division is totally up for grabs and its still frustrating that this team isnt 4-0 looking back, but theyre still sitting relatively pretty right now in the division (at least as well as anyone else). I loved seeing Washington pull that game out at the end against Philly. I didnt enter this season with any expectations, so anything they do is a pleasant surprise. Things are setting up pretty well.
Folks, we could be in first place by the end of the night!  
Bramton1 : 10/4/2015 4:25 pm : link
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Spags magic re-appears once again after week 3.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/4/2015 4:25 pm : link
We must hire Bill Parcells as clock management assistant to the HC. My goodness... this team refuses to accept a victory. TC has to do a much better job of corralling the QB & OC.

GREAT game by the o-line.

GREAT run defense and tackling by the entire team.

GREAT special teams coverage units & performance by Wing.
Game ball to Spags.  
bceagle05 : 10/4/2015 4:26 pm : link
We gotta get our shit together on the sideline. Coughlin, McAdoo and Eli have their heads up their asses.
Good old fashioned hard hitting football game  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/4/2015 4:28 pm : link
We out physicalled a very physical team. Nice to see after the Perry Ole defenses. Guys played hard and controlled the line of scrimmage.

The arrow is pointing up in terms of play.
We won a game that virtually every  
Steve Filipowicz : 10/4/2015 4:28 pm : link
"Expert" said we should lose. Why complain about this and that? No Cruz, Donnell and Tye at TE, no Ayers and only 4 WRs and we win by 2 TDs!!! Yeah, we weren't perfect but considering all the key players missing, IMO a great win.
RE: 2-2  
Simms11 : 10/4/2015 4:28 pm : link
In comment 12524310 rebel yell said:
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and heading to SF. I can live with that. NFCE is ours to win!


San Franciso comes into MetLife next week.
I was calling for a screen pass at the end..  
EricJ : 10/4/2015 4:29 pm : link
not a pass over the middle that was forced with Eli looking it in the entire time.
We  
AcidTest : 10/4/2015 4:29 pm : link
were again in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Couldn't cover Clay. At all. How can you let that guy kill you all day? When we were deep in our own territory, we predictably ran the ball into the LOS. No pressure, except from Whitlock at the end. Terrible clock management, with Eli letting the play clock go down to one, and getting two delay of games on other occasions. Absolutely no idea what we were doing up by fourteen and throwing the ball from inside the Buffalo ten. A FG wins the game. That's when you do run into the LOS. ST were poor. Not a good day for Brown.

OL was great. Aside from not getting any pressure, the DL was very stout against the run. Kennard was incredible. Hope he's OK with the hamstring. Prince had another great game. Collins with some big hits. Harris was good in the slot. Aside from the pick, Eli was good. Tough running by Jennings and Williams.

This game would have been a lot closer but for the seventeen Buffalo penalties.
one thing  
giantfan2000 : 10/4/2015 4:29 pm : link
everyone is complaining there is no sacks
but I will take those type of turnovers over sacks any day of the week
Yes, Spags  
bluepepper : 10/4/2015 4:30 pm : link
is doing a great job with the D but the lack of a pass rush is a huge concern.
RE: RE: 2-2  
rebel yell : 10/4/2015 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12524354 Simms11 said:
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In comment 12524310 rebel yell said:


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and heading to SF. I can live with that. NFCE is ours to win!
OK, got it. Anyone else want to correct me on this?


San Franciso comes into MetLife next week.
Buffalo  
Les in TO : 10/4/2015 4:32 pm : link
Is a tough place to play and so winning by14 I should be happy. But the stupid decisions at the end are just bizarre. Three scores with 330 left is basically the ball game. Don't call a slant in tight quarters
RE: Great win  
dpinzow : 10/4/2015 4:32 pm : link
In comment 12524322 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Really surprised and impressed by how much the Giants controlled the game today for the most part.

The defense is playing way over their talent level right now. Although todays performance was aided by the wounded competition, Spags has these guys generally looking competent this year. While i have major concerns about the sustainability of the play on that side of the ball, football can be weird and maybe Spags can find a way to mold this group into a formidable unit somehow without much of a pass rush.

I really like the look of our passing game and have since the start of last year. The 2nd half wasnt real pretty outside of the Jennings catch and run. But generally speaking, Eli is playing by far the best football of his career in this new system (save 2011). No matter what happens this year I would like to find a way to keep Macadoo around, because im a fan. Sick catch by ODB again even though he was out of bounds. The guy is unreal. Its becoming old hat, one day the dude is probably just gonna snatch one out of the air with his dick while keeping his feet in bounds and maintaining possession to the ground for a score. He may have even already done that on one of his youtube videos that make the rounds. Im so glad he wasnt hurt on that Jennings TD.

Its nice to see Reuben Randle out there healthy and making plays the last couple weeks. The numbers are getting small though at WR with Cruz's issues, at some point you have to sign a guy. I dont like going into these games with 4 active WR.

As a total aside (and this may sound weird to some) i really enjoyed the aesthetics of this game. The Giants road unis and Bills home unis are a nice combo together under that Buffalo sun. This division is totally up for grabs and its still frustrating that this team isnt 4-0 looking back, but theyre still sitting relatively pretty right now in the division (at least as well as anyone else). I loved seeing Washington pull that game out at the end against Philly. I didnt enter this season with any expectations, so anything they do is a pleasant surprise. Things are setting up pretty well.


At times the Giants OL pushed the Bills front 7 off the ball. Jennings and Andre Williams had some nice runs between the tackles against a Rex defense with talent. That's a really good sign for the OL. It has to give them confidence that they can handle an excellent DL and LBs.

Agreed about the defense playing above its talent level but there is some talent on the defense. Prince and DRC is an excellent corner tandem, and it appears that Meriweather and Collins have some chemistry in the defensive backfield. They also throw some lumber which helps. Kennard is just about a star LB, and the Beason/Unga pair at MLB is serviceable. The biggest problem with the defense is still lack of a pass rush. However, the DL as constructed is very stout against the run. Maybe O2 can develop into a pass rusher
I'm starting to warm to this team  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/4/2015 4:33 pm : link
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BB56 was right about Clay  
Moondawg : 10/4/2015 4:33 pm : link
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RE: Yes, Spags  
SamdaGiantsFan : 10/4/2015 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12524377 bluepepper said:
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is doing a great job with the D but the lack of a pass rush is a huge concern.


lack of pass rush a problem, but this is getting better. certain guys have to step up, Wynn has been great against the run really hoping he can put it all together and start generating pass rush
Even Dahl gets involved with the near Saftey  
Moondawg : 10/4/2015 4:33 pm : link
and some good special teams play.
on Kennard's interception--incomplete pass?:  
ColHowPepper : 10/4/2015 4:34 pm : link
to me, from the only camera angle shown, it appeared the receiver hit the ground, oob, as Kennard was wresting possession, and as he secured the ball, looked like the left side of Kennard's body (toward the bench) landed on the sideline marker. Yet whether the "catch" was ruled in bounds seemed never to be part of the discussion in the broadcast booth or the official's review.

Was I alone in thinking the entire play might (should?) have been ruled an incomplete pass?
Everyone involved with this team's offense needs to raise  
Mr. Bungle : 10/4/2015 4:35 pm : link
their football IQ ASAP. The braincramps are getting ridiculous now.
I don't think it was that ugly.  
Matt M. : 10/4/2015 4:37 pm : link
The Bills played an ugly and undisciplined game. The Giants played a very solid first half. Their offense just dropped off in the second half to make it look closer than it really was.
RE: on Kennard's interception--incomplete pass?:  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 10/4/2015 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12524410 ColHowPepper said:
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to me, from the only camera angle shown, it appeared the receiver hit the ground, oob, as Kennard was wresting possession, and as he secured the ball, looked like the left side of Kennard's body (toward the bench) landed on the sideline marker. Yet whether the "catch" was ruled in bounds seemed never to be part of the discussion in the broadcast booth or the official's review.

Was I alone in thinking the entire play might (should?) have been ruled an incomplete pass?


I was thinking the same thing. Hard to tell from the replay though.
RE: We  
dpinzow : 10/4/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12524365 AcidTest said:
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were again in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Couldn't cover Clay. At all. How can you let that guy kill you all day? When we were deep in our own territory, we predictably ran the ball into the LOS. No pressure, except from Whitlock at the end. Terrible clock management, with Eli letting the play clock go down to one, and getting two delay of games on other occasions. Absolutely no idea what we were doing up by fourteen and throwing the ball from inside the Buffalo ten. A FG wins the game. That's when you do run into the LOS. ST were poor. Not a good day for Brown.

OL was great. Aside from not getting any pressure, the DL was very stout against the run. Kennard was incredible. Hope he's OK with the hamstring. Prince had another great game. Collins with some big hits. Harris was good in the slot. Aside from the pick, Eli was good. Tough running by Jennings and Williams.

This game would have been a lot closer but for the seventeen Buffalo penalties.


But the 17 Buffalo penalties are due to their coaching. Rex is not exactly known for fielding disciplined football teams
Andre Williams needs more carries......  
Simms11 : 10/4/2015 4:39 pm : link
I've said it before, but he needs to be the starter and get more consistent carries. There's too much shuffling in and out of the 3 RBs. Let him get into a flow. He's had some very nice carries this year, only to be replaced right after one. Eli did a great job of changing plays at the line today and lining up protection too.
RE: We won a game that virtually every  
Coughlin's Rules : 10/4/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12524353 Steve Filipowicz said:
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"Expert" said we should lose. Why complain about this and that? No Cruz, Donnell and Tye at TE, no Ayers and only 4 WRs and we win by 2 TDs!!! Yeah, we weren't perfect but considering all the key players missing, IMO a great win.


This! They were prepared and came to play and stood up to a bully and punched the bully in the mouth. Great team win!
Kennard play  
Marty866b : 10/4/2015 4:39 pm : link
After the replay I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't call him out of bounds.
The first 4 games also compounds JPP's idiocy  
dpinzow : 10/4/2015 4:41 pm : link
a healthy JPP playing for big money would wreck opposing offenses in Spags' defense. The defense is playing well without any pass rushers
RE: Yes, Spags  
bigbluescot : 10/4/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12524377 bluepepper said:
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is doing a great job with the D but the lack of a pass rush is a huge concern.


While the pass rush is obviously pretty poor, most of the game it looked like the ends were keeping contain on the QB. I reckon they thought if they kept Taylor in the pocket they fancied their CB's to cover the WR's with Watkins out. We got a tad more pressure when we turned it loose in the last drive.

We were pretty disciplined on defense today which is what you need against a running team with an option QB.
Game Ball to Kerry Wynn,  
clatterbuck : 10/4/2015 4:42 pm : link
the kid is playing the run at a Pro Bowl level. Plays with leverage, strength, guts. Agree with all the comments on end-of-game clock management. And offensive line played great against that front.
Beckam didn't fight back and make it offseting penalties  
Moondawg : 10/4/2015 4:43 pm : link
at the end. Smart play.
RE: Andre Williams needs more carries......  
Moondawg : 10/4/2015 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12524450 Simms11 said:
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I've said it before, but he needs to be the starter and get more consistent carries. There's too much shuffling in and out of the 3 RBs. Let him get into a flow. He's had some very nice carries this year, only to be replaced right after one. Eli did a great job of changing plays at the line today and lining up protection too.


Um, and sit Jennings and Vereen?
Landon Collins...  
BleedingBlue2 : 10/4/2015 4:43 pm : link
Looks like he is going o be a player for us.
RE: Landon Collins...  
Moondawg : 10/4/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12524504 BleedingBlue2 said:
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Looks like he is going o be a player for us.


That tackle near the goalline reminded me of Brian Dawkins.
RE: Kennard play  
ColHowPepper : 10/4/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12524457 Marty866b said:
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After the replay I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't call him out of bounds.

Marty, yes, my 4:34 in this thread, seconded by Upstate_NY_GiantsFan
Louis Nix III  
ColHowPepper : 10/4/2015 4:48 pm : link
was involved and when he was in, it seemed like the Giants' run defense was particularly stout
why is this  
dep026 : 10/4/2015 4:48 pm : link
NFT?
Spags makes a difference, no doubt  
5BowlsSoon : 10/4/2015 4:55 pm : link
But the players still have to play. Very happy about our defense, and very content with offense against a very good defense. Yes, the int at the end was foolish, but hopefully never again.
Remember McAdoo is learning too  
Vanzetti : 10/4/2015 4:56 pm : link
That call on the ball that was intercepted was not good in that situation. You need to be safe there.

That said, no way that ball should be intercepted Very poor effort by Randle.
Any news on Flowers  
pganut : 10/4/2015 4:56 pm : link
Or any other injuries of note?
I think Kennard was injured late in the game. He was out of the  
Ace718 : 10/4/2015 4:57 pm : link
game at the end because of a hammy issue.
RE: why is this  
section125 : 10/4/2015 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12524543 dep026 said:
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NFT?


No Fools Talking...
RE: RE: why is this  
Moondawg : 10/4/2015 5:10 pm : link
In comment 12524626 section125 said:
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In comment 12524543 dep026 said:


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NFT?



No Fools Talking...


Sadly, that gets violated pretty regular 'round here.
RE: Landon Collins...  
mfsd : 10/4/2015 5:10 pm : link
In comment 12524504 BleedingBlue2 said:
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Looks like he is going o be a player for us.


Yup, Collins was all over the field today

Overall, the Giants tackled very well across the board.
All you clock management experts  
HomerJones45 : 10/4/2015 5:16 pm : link
are living in the past. In the new NFL, a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go is by no means safe. You keep trying to score td's.
I agree on Collins. Trading up to get him was a very good move.  
Ira : 10/4/2015 5:18 pm : link
If we can add another good safety in the off-season, safety will be a big strength. I've always thought that the importance of that position was underrated. Good safeties help in so many ways.
RE: All you clock management experts  
bceagle05 : 10/4/2015 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12524687 HomerJones45 said:
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are living in the past. In the new NFL, a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go is by no means safe. You keep trying to score td's.


Bullshit. Against Tyrod freaking Taylor, a three-score lead ends it a thousand times out of a thousand. It was a boneheaded decision. Water under the bridge now though.
RE: RE: All you clock management experts  
mfsd : 10/4/2015 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12524698 bceagle05 said:
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are living in the past. In the new NFL, a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go is by no means safe. You keep trying to score td's.



Bullshit. Against Tyrod freaking Taylor, a three-score lead ends it a thousand times out of a thousand. It was a boneheaded decision. Water under the bridge now though.


I'm with you on this one - in that spot you run it and kick the FG if you don't convert. But overall, I like the Giants being aggressive in their play calling
RE: All you clock management experts  
micky : 10/4/2015 5:24 pm : link
In comment 12524687 HomerJones45 said:
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are living in the past. In the new NFL, a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go is by no means safe. You keep trying to score td's.


I don't think there's a difference between old and New NFl as far as managing game and clock. Still same time running off clock ;-)
RE: All you clock management experts  
Ace718 : 10/4/2015 5:25 pm : link
In comment 12524687 HomerJones45 said:
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are living in the past. In the new NFL, a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go is by no means safe. You keep trying to score td's.
And that's why you don't score vs Dallas?
I didn't think twice about the INT  
jcn56 : 10/4/2015 5:27 pm : link
Part of the problem was they haven't been aggressive enough in the waning minutes of games. The call wasn't bad, the execution left a bit to be desired, though.

Good all around win, if we exited healthy it's a great week.
Great win  
joeinpa : 10/4/2015 5:27 pm : link
from a team that can get better as they get some guys back.


Best way to stay positive about this team, is to stay off BBI after any bad play and most especially after a loss.
They just beat a team that they probably had little business beating,  
Devon : 10/4/2015 5:29 pm : link
talent-wise.

I realize some parts were frustrating, but there's way too much rage over. A win is a win for this team. Hopefully they keep scraping together enough of them, no matter how many mental fuck-ups, to still be alive come December in this shitty division.
I don't mind the aggressive play calling  
AnnapolisMike : 10/4/2015 5:32 pm : link
It helped last week. This week Eli should have not thrown that ball. People will bitch no matter what. I see a 2-2 team that is playing decently and has a chance to get some wins moving forward against mediocre teams. They are probably better than every team they play before the bye other than NE.
RE: Great win  
spike : 10/4/2015 5:32 pm : link
In comment 12524725 joeinpa said:
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from a team that can get better as they get some guys back.


Best way to stay positive about this team, is to stay off BBI after any bad play and most especially after a loss.


great win.. Many of us had this game marked as a loss before the season.

Great job by Spag. Offense was so so.
I'm stil concerned about our pass defense  
JFIB : 10/4/2015 5:34 pm : link
We came into this game with the WORST pass D in the league. I get that we had to play zone most of the day to keep Taylor honest but it's really hard to watch the opponents WR's making so many uncontested catches with no defender in the picture. Really happy with our run defense to this point though so that's a good thing.
RE: I'm stil concerned about our pass defense  
AnnapolisMike : 10/4/2015 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12524757 JFIB said:
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We came into this game with the WORST pass D in the league. I get that we had to play zone most of the day to keep Taylor honest but it's really hard to watch the opponents WR's making so many uncontested catches with no defender in the picture. Really happy with our run defense to this point though so that's a good thing.


At this point I am Ok with the focus on stopping the run. Force the opposing QB to beat you. More often than not you win those games. I expect pass D to improve as they figure out a way to get pressure on the QB
RE: RE: Andre Williams needs more carries......  
Simms11 : 10/4/2015 5:44 pm : link
In comment 12524503 Moondawg said:
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In comment 12524450 Simms11 said:


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I've said it before, but he needs to be the starter and get more consistent carries. There's too much shuffling in and out of the 3 RBs. Let him get into a flow. He's had some very nice carries this year, only to be replaced right after one. Eli did a great job of changing plays at the line today and lining up protection too.



Um, and sit Jennings and Vereen?


No, but he needs to get into a flow. There's too much shuffling. He's the type of runner that needs to get more carries to be effective. Kind of like Jacobs. He's a guy that can wear down defenses. Sprinkle in Vereen and Jennings and in the second half you can then hit them with a more shifty runner like Vereen.
RE: All you clock management experts  
Boy Cord : 10/4/2015 5:46 pm : link
In comment 12524687 HomerJones45 said:
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are living in the past. In the new NFL, a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go is by no means safe. You keep trying to score td's.


Except opening day in Dallas.
I was at the game  
Steve L : 10/4/2015 5:49 pm : link
First and most importantly, other than third down the fans were taken out of the game by half time. That was huge because I've been to game across the country and Buffalo a few times but this place was LOUD.

Fans were pissed at the refs. From my pov most of the penalties looked legit. But the penalties on Buffalo changed the game.

Finally...Bills fans have gotten a bad rap lately but they were fun and gracious. No one gave us any crap. My gf and I cheered but not obnoxiously which I'm sure helped. By the end you could hear the "Let's go Giants" cheer. It was fun.
I feel  
Mark from Jersey : 10/4/2015 5:51 pm : link
this team is two plays away from being 4-0, which is amazing because neither the offense of defense has ever looked great.

Credit the coaching staff.

The two plays:

1) Eli throwing ball out of bounds
2) Eli taking sack fumble.

Damn you Eli!!!!!!!!!!
RE: Andre Williams needs more carries......  
santacruzom : 10/4/2015 5:51 pm : link
In comment 12524450 Simms11 said:
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I've said it before, but he needs to be the starter and get more consistent carries. There's too much shuffling in and out of the 3 RBs. Let him get into a flow. He's had some very nice carries this year, only to be replaced right after one. Eli did a great job of changing plays at the line today and lining up protection too.


I'm not so sure I agree. Of the three, I'd rather see Vereen get the bulk of the snaps.

Williams is great if you like watching blooper videos of people running into walls.
RE: All you clock management experts  
Vanzetti : 10/4/2015 5:52 pm : link
In comment 12524687 HomerJones45 said:
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are living in the past. In the new NFL, a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go is by no means safe. You keep trying to score td's.


In general, I think you are right. But in this particular instance, you are 100% wrong. Do the math. With a Giants FG, Buff needs 3 scores, which would mean recovering two onside kicks. Virtually impossible.
Rex Ryan's post game presser  
BigBlueCane : 10/4/2015 5:55 pm : link
wants a team full of fighters. Well he's got them. Just don't mind the flags.
Didn't expect a win this week,  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/4/2015 6:04 pm : link
so very happy to get this win. Just keep winning.
Re: "Andre Williams needs more carries"  
Bluester : 10/4/2015 6:19 pm : link
Wasn't it Jennings who had the long TD run to salt the game away? I kind of like the 3 headed monster approach. Never know who'll have the big play for you.
Apologies if this was mentioned earlier  
BurlyMan : 10/4/2015 6:21 pm : link
but that piped in train noise was bush league. Who does that?
Wooooooo Hoooooooooo  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/4/2015 6:22 pm : link
!!!!
GO GIANTS

THE GIANTS WIN

Yeah Baby

!!!!
This was an impressive win.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2015 6:23 pm : link
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RE: Re:  
Simms11 : 10/4/2015 6:26 pm : link
In comment 12524921 Bluester said:
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Wasn't it Jennings who had the long TD run to salt the game away? I kind of like the 3 headed monster approach. Never know who'll have the big play for you.


Wasn't a run. It was a screen.
RE: This was an impressive win.  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/4/2015 6:28 pm : link
In comment 12524936 BrettNYG10 said:
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Brett for the win!!!


the Giants weren't supposed to win this game - Buffalo is a good team and the Giants made them look as bad as New England did

If you think about it - they made a pretty good Washington team look bad too - and they nearly won two other games they were supposed to lose - Games 1 & 2

The Giants are looking up

Wooooooooooo Hooooooooooo!!!!!
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yankees78 : 10/4/2015 6:32 pm : link
Good job Giants
RE: RE: Andre Williams needs more carries......  
BigBlueShock : 10/4/2015 6:32 pm : link
In comment 12524809 santacruzom said:
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I've said it before, but he needs to be the starter and get more consistent carries. There's too much shuffling in and out of the 3 RBs. Let him get into a flow. He's had some very nice carries this year, only to be replaced right after one. Eli did a great job of changing plays at the line today and lining up protection too.



I'm not so sure I agree. Of the three, I'd rather see Vereen get the bulk of the snaps.

Williams is great if you like watching blooper videos of people running into walls.

You should pay more attention. This narrative that Williams runs into walls, and it is his fault, is comical. And couldn't be further from the truth. But why let that get in the way of a good rant?
Can you imagine if  
section125 : 10/4/2015 6:37 pm : link
they get a pass rush.
RE: RE: RE: Andre Williams needs more carries......  
River Mike : 10/4/2015 6:39 pm : link
In comment 12524977 BigBlueShock said:
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I've said it before, but he needs to be the starter and get more consistent carries. There's too much shuffling in and out of the 3 RBs. Let him get into a flow. He's had some very nice carries this year, only to be replaced right after one. Eli did a great job of changing plays at the line today and lining up protection too.



I'm not so sure I agree. Of the three, I'd rather see Vereen get the bulk of the snaps.

Williams is great if you like watching blooper videos of people running into walls.


You should pay more attention. This narrative that Williams runs into walls, and it is his fault, is comical. And couldn't be further from the truth. But why let that get in the way of a good rant?


Yeah, during the offseason and pre-season there were posters saying he was worthless, a waste, etc. I don't know what they had been watching last year. He didn't light it up, but I though he showed some good things and a lot of promise.
Hard to understand the play at the end...  
trueblueinpw : 10/4/2015 6:44 pm : link
Throwing the ball at the end was inexplicable. Of course you run the ball there, every down, to protect the lead, to run the clock down, maybe force some time outs, rest the defense and protect Eli and OBJ. Three scores is the ball game. Where are we if Eli or OBJ get hurt on the INT? Its mind boggling stupid to throw in that situation.

I'm happy for the win. But once again we have to wonder what the heck is going on with the offense and coaches.

Having said all that, great to see this defense under Spags. Kinard making plays, Whitlock the Tasmanian Devil getting into the game, all around solid play by a defense that really didn't get enough help from the offense.
We beat a damn good football team in their home too......  
Simms11 : 10/4/2015 6:53 pm : link
Lots of positive to take from this game. First of all, we actually beat a winning team and a very good defense. When was the last time we could say that? It looks like the arrow is pointed up, but obviously there's still things to clean up too. We are still having problems covering TEs, very concerning and of course the lack of a pass rush. On offense, we got the most out of Donnell today, but his blocking is still horrendous. The running game was effective enough, but still very inconsistent. Passing game got good contributions from all receivers and the oline did a hell of a job against a very stout defensive front. Specials were sloppy and thankfully, the missed extra point did not come back to haunt us. Overall, I thought it was a very good game and hopefully the team continues to rise and not read their clippings.
If the eagles are really as poor as they have looked  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/4/2015 7:01 pm : link
The Giants remaining schedule is piss poor this year. Just look at the QBs we are facing from here on out. There is Brady, there is Cam, and there isnt much else. We may or may not see Drew Brees later on this year, but either way the Saints look bad even with him, dropping home games to the Bucs.

Kapernick
Bradford
Weeden
Winston
Cousins
Fitzpatrick
Tannehill
Bridgewater

Now cue the "the Giants once lost to Kurt kittner. Craig krenzel. And on with the list. Of course no game is a gimme. But damn. Thats a shitty group

Scared the crap out of me but  
St. Jimmy : 10/4/2015 7:01 pm : link
won. Great job by the D. Big time plays at the goalline and the rest of the fourth quarter. Hopefully, the O can get the knockout punch more often like they did today. Maybe a little earlier next time.
Who was it that jinxed us with the  
JOrthman : 10/4/2015 7:09 pm : link
Eli doesn't have a pick yet?
RE: RE: RE: Andre Williams needs more carries......  
santacruzom : 10/4/2015 7:15 pm : link
In comment 12524977 BigBlueShock said: This narrative that Williams runs into walls, and it is his fault, is comical. And couldn't be further from the truth.

Oh, it could be quite a bit further from the truth I think.
seems to me  
fkap : 10/4/2015 7:25 pm : link
that Williams gets his share of carries. his ypc is much lower than it should be, because they give him the rock when it's grind out the clock time and they stuff the run.

I thought he had the majority of carries, but google showed that Jennings had a few more.

I'm not particularly impressed with Jennings so far this year. He's a contributor, but he hasn't exactly been a force.
Just in case,  
Ira : 10/4/2015 7:27 pm : link
you'd like to see the td pass to Jennings again.
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RE: seems to me  
JOrthman : 10/4/2015 7:33 pm : link
In comment 12525126 fkap said:
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that Williams gets his share of carries. his ypc is much lower than it should be, because they give him the rock when it's grind out the clock time and they stuff the run.

I thought he had the majority of carries, but google showed that Jennings had a few more.

I'm not particularly impressed with Jennings so far this year. He's a contributor, but he hasn't exactly been a force.


Yeah I think he was better last year and our offensive line was worse last year.
RE: seems to me  
JOrthman : 10/4/2015 7:33 pm : link
In comment 12525126 fkap said:
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that Williams gets his share of carries. his ypc is much lower than it should be, because they give him the rock when it's grind out the clock time and they stuff the run.

I thought he had the majority of carries, but google showed that Jennings had a few more.

I'm not particularly impressed with Jennings so far this year. He's a contributor, but he hasn't exactly been a force.


Yeah I think he was better last year and our offensive line was worse last year.
Simms11  
Bluester : 10/4/2015 8:00 pm : link
You're right, it was a pass, not a run, but that just supports my point even more. Williams doesn't have very good hands. Jennings and Vereen do.
RE: Simms11  
Simms11 : 10/4/2015 8:18 pm : link
In comment 12525245 Bluester said:
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You're right, it was a pass, not a run, but that just supports my point even more. Williams doesn't have very good hands. Jennings and Vereen do.


True, but the point is it's about improving our running game and not the passing game. I just think AWill gives us that much needed power running game, wearing down the D. I'm not saying we should ignore the other two backs, just that Williams needs more carries to get into a flow.
Jennings provides  
PEEJ : 10/4/2015 8:23 pm : link
plenty of power
I've been waiting 3 years for a win like this  
djm : 10/4/2015 8:56 pm : link
Still work to do but this team is exactly where any of us could have hoped. They are physical they don't quit and they are in every game. Last two weeks their hard work is manifesting into wins. Fuck yes just keep it up. Keep improving.
Williams could be a lot worse  
santacruzom : 10/4/2015 9:02 pm : link
But he could be a lot better. Let me put it this way... I'd put the over/under for his career rushing yardage total at 4500, and I'd take the under.

I just see no current evidence of him being the kind of back that would wear a defense down over time.
Actually  
santacruzom : 10/4/2015 9:10 pm : link
I think the idea of a back wearing down the defense is overstated. I just think they are very few who can actually do that, and that it's generally the offensive linemen who wear the defense down over several positive rushing attempts. Aside from laying an occasional lick on a defender or two, I think the best thing an RB can do to wear down a whole defensive unit is to consistently gain enough yards to force them to pursue him after already trying to fight through a block.

Can Williams do that? Maybe, but it remains to be seen.
Would really like to see Darkwa get a few carries  
JFIB : 10/4/2015 9:32 pm : link
This team lacks speed and explosion at the running back position. I think Darkwa hits the hole with speed and this line is having some success opening some holes but the close and shift quickly. I think Oleans could have some success behind this line.
Except for Vereen  
PEEJ : 10/4/2015 9:35 pm : link
the Giants RBs can't threaten the outside
Really solid win  
Sonic Youth : 10/4/2015 10:22 pm : link
My personal thoughts from the game:

1) This was a really good win. The Bills are a great team with a good defense, an athletic QB who can manage games and make enough plays when he has to, and a great DL.

2) We need a pass rush. It is the missing element from the defense. If JPP can give us ANYTHING, it would be tremendously useful.

3) I think Prince has played great this year so far.

4) This team could easily be 4-0, and SHOULD be at least 3-1. They need to get in the playoffs, but if they do, they can go on a run.

5) We need Cruz, and if they are even 50/50 about Cruz coming back (which I assume they are), Welker needs to be signed ASAP. I don't get the hesitation. It's not like it would hurt to have them both. Sign Welker, cover your ass, and if Cruz comes back, treat it as a bonus. McAdoo says all the WRs learn all their positions. The skill set may be redundant between Cruz and Welker, but we don't know what Cruz will even look like when he comes back, and it can't hurt to have both. Welker will be like a Beason for the offense in terms of impact.

6) It's incredible to see Eli on pace for 4 INTs on the year. To be fair (or unfair, I guess), I did expect him to be on pace for more than 28 TDs. I expect him to still end up with TDs in the 30s.

7) I like this team. I think they can make a run if they get hot and reinforcements show up.
Nice impressive win.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/5/2015 6:32 am : link
Now keep it going. The division can be had.
RE: Ugly game  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 10/5/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12524303 illmatic said:
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but I'll take it. They played well against a good team in a hostile environment. The D was awesome but the offense still needs all kinds of work.

And as a bonus, the Eagles lost.


I am happily eating my words about this defense and about this team. That was a very impressive effort. The offense is putting up points, with the aid of the defense, and made some mistakes, but overall, a good effort against the best d-line in the league and an overall great defense in a hostile environment.

After today, that close loss against the Falcons actually looks impressive and the win over the Redskins looks better now.

Need to find more creative ways to get the ball into the hands of receivers. 75% of our WR routes are streaks/back-shoulder fades or slants, it seems.
RE: I didn't think twice about the INT  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 10/5/2015 11:13 am : link
In comment 12524724 jcn56 said:
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Part of the problem was they haven't been aggressive enough in the waning minutes of games. The call wasn't bad, the execution left a bit to be desired, though.

Good all around win, if we exited healthy it's a great week.


DB sat on that route because we ran that slant many times before.
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