Those last 3 offensive plays piss me off....

but most importantly, the 3rd down play ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY MUST BE A FUCKING RUNNING PLAY!

Odell needs to hold onto that ball... I think he just dropped it.

In comment 12524304 Big Blue '56 said:

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I'd come on here in the midst of celebration..My bad.. No one's perfect

Right the Giants are above criticism after a win. smh

run the ball three times and kick the FG. Anything else is idiocy.

McAdoo have Eli on his fantasy team. Jennings was an idiot to run out. Two pass plays was just out of the world stupid.

The Giants have a very easy schedule coming up but they should be 3-1 at worst and even 4-0 if not due to bad clock clock management/play calling.

Those who focus on the win fine. Start your own thread. This is a very reasonable and understandable topic.

In comment 12524382 AcidTest said:

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run the ball three times and kick the FG. Anything else is idiocy.

Exactly. It's elementary.

Just like the rest of us.

Someone did something incredibly stupid. No way should we pass there. Game is over. Just kick the fucking field goal.

the funny thing about it, is the interception wasn't even the worst of it. They took no time off the clock down there, which is I just could believe. That's how you keep your players on the field longer, which leads to more injuries.

Just run the clok and kick a FG

McAdoo calls the offense. That is his doing and he hasn't learned a damn thing. The run out of bounds was not wise, I don't understand 2 throws after that. The slant was a bad call, but that INT was 100% on Eli.

Take it easy. You'll be fine in a couple of hours.

Beiichick will expect us to play stupid -- and we'll play smart.

In comment 12524586 Crispino said:

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Take it easy. You'll be fine in a couple of hours.

WOOoooooo HoooooOOOOOOO

!!!!
GO GIANTS

THE GIANTS WIN

Yeah Baby

!!!!

In comment 12524582 Matt M. said:

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McAdoo calls the offense. That is his doing and he hasn't learned a damn thing. The run out of bounds was not wise, I don't understand 2 throws after that. The slant was a bad call, but that INT was 100% on Eli.

So the HC can't say:"OK fellas, let's just run it 3 times and be aware of not getting stripped."? Is he in charge or not?

TC can overrule ANYONE ON SIDELINE. he can say no no we are running the ball and going up three scores. HC is top of the list in terms of decisions especially late in game

In comment 12524304 Big Blue '56 said:

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I'd come on here in the midst of celebration..My bad.. No one's perfect

Remarkable

In comment 12524359 GMenLTS said:

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the fourth quarter. They need to fucking quit it.

Ok That made me laugh

the clock and game was mishandled at the end,

But completely agree. I guess we learned nothing from the Dallas game. I don't want to hear about continuing to be aggressive. That series should have been a no-brainer. Run it three times (and stay inbounds) and kick a chip shot FG. Game over.

Beckham should have caught that ball. An easy one for him. And if he does catch it nobody here would be saying jackshit about the play call.

I know the only prayer is for the Giants not to kick that field goal.
Comments here apply:

Did TC forget how to count?
If he going senile?
Can you imagine if that TD was not called back near the 2 minute warning.........An onside kick and watch out..........

In comment 12524606 oldutican said:

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In comment 12524582 Matt M. said: Quote: McAdoo calls the offense. That is his doing and he hasn't learned a damn thing. The run out of bounds was not wise, I don't understand 2 throws after that. The slant was a bad call, but that INT was 100% on Eli. So the HC can't say:"OK fellas, let's just run it 3 times and be aware of not getting stripped."? Is he in charge or not?

McAdoo is responsible for all the play calling. Quinn is responsible for everything STs. Spags is solely in charge of defense. Eli is in charge of time management and knowing the rules. Reese is responsible for every single roster move. The players in general are responsible to police their own leadership-y stuff.

I'm not really sure what TC's actual role and responsibilities are for many on BBI, but god damn it, he's great at it.

They went for the kill shot and missed. They ran a high percentage play, and the CB made a good play on the ball. He reached the land mark before RR did.

I don't mind being aggressive up 17 to try to make it 24 points.

Looked just like the Super Bowl sealing INT by the pats.

Just a great play by the defender, and a poor play by Randle. Kinda finessed it when he should have boxed out.

However, they took their shot and they missed it. Needed to run the ball on 3rd down. Anything else was just stupid and reckless.

If you don't have a QB, then yes. We have one. If you don't trust him to make a throw in the redzone then how good is he.

In comment 12524756 AnishPatel said:

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They went for the kill shot and missed. They ran a high percentage play, and the CB made a good play on the ball. He reached the land mark before RR did. I don't mind being aggressive up 17 to try to make it 24 points.

That's the problem. They weren't up 17. They were up 14. Huge difference in that scenario.

Maybe tc is senile. 3 mins left in game up 14 2 nd n goal ftom the 8. You run it twice and either score, make them use some timeouts. Or run clock. If you don't get in you kick the chip shot fg and win the game. But what did macadoo, coughlin n Eli do? The passed not once which is bad enough but twice. Picked off and bills had a chance to win the game.i want someone ripped a new one. Eli should be treated like the guy from clockwork orange and be made to watch the end of the cowboy game 10000 times. Absolutely abyssmal. Mind numbing play calls. No excuse. Eli mainly to blame but Mara should have a meeting ripping... Ripping coughlin manning n macadoo a new one. Absolutely inexcusable

You are up 14 and 3 pts basically seals the victory. 7 doesn't do a whole lot more than 3 so why not just run clock and kick an easy FG? Not a lot to gain by being aggressive in that situation... But plenty to lose.

the last 5:50 were odd to say the least. Passing on 1st down, run on second, not trying to kill the clock. Especially those last 3 O plays as described.

Managing the clock, understanding proper late game situations, adjusting your attack to the situation, etc. All of these are crucial factors in the NFL, especially when the difference between winning and losing is razor thin these days.

We have failed in virtually every big spot in these areas all year. It's already cost us 1 game. Arguably 2. And could have cost us today.

I'm losing faith in this staff every week. These are inexcusable errors.

by the fourth game, the clock mismanagement of the first 3 games should be fixed....yet, it reared it's ugly head at the end of the game again....stupid block by Incognito, could have cost his team, the game.....if they ran the time off the clock correctly, the Incognito play never happens...

If the Giants score a TD there, would you still complain about the call?

In comment 12524677 Paulie Walnuts said:

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the clock and game was mishandled at the end,

Most egregious example was Dallas. That game was won with proper clock handling. Mystifying.

In comment 12524818 Danny Kanell said:

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In comment 12524756 AnishPatel said: Quote: They went for the kill shot and missed. They ran a high percentage play, and the CB made a good play on the ball. He reached the land mark before RR did. I don't mind being aggressive up 17 to try to make it 24 points. That's the problem. They weren't up 17. They were up 14. Huge difference in that scenario.

They tried to be aggressive running a high percentage passing concept, a slant. Credit the defender for hitting the landmark before RR got there.

That's not the point. A TD or a FG is not really any different in that spot. With 4 minutes left, a FG or a TD makes it a 3 possession game. The only way you can lose either way is if they score 3 times with 2 successful onside kicks! Not to mention running 3 times runs the clock down and/or makes them burn time outs.

There was literally ZERO reason to be aggressive there. It's not about a high percentage pass play. They passed TWICE!

Throwing on any down there is just madness unless RR or OBJ are literally UNCOVERED.

3 runs up the middle, kick the FG, and go up 3 scores. Game over.

Said this on another thread, but if Buffalo took that pick to the house Coughlin & McAdoo need to be suspended.

We won, but that is an example of "what not to do".

there needs to be one of those embarrassing meetings that happen when adults do something really stupid. Where the entire coaching staff, including Tom Coughlin, sits in a stuffy little room and listens to a presentation about why clock management is important, and how to bleed clock in the 4th quarter.

Cater it. Nothing threatening.

...you'd think the coaches would be doing a better job calling plays and preparing the team about how to succeed in these scenarios. Run on first down and STAY IN BOUNDS. pass on second down low risk to attempt to gain the first down. Run again onn third down. Even if the second down pass in an INC we would have taken significantly more time off the clock. We were stupid with the ball yet again in the closing minutes of the game.

but not understanding how anyone can really defend it.

This is not a general "be aggressive" versus "kneel on the ball" debate. As others have said, considering the score and the time left, there was ZERO reason to run the sequence we did, specifically on 3rd down.

The only play that makes sense is to run it, running the time down further, and kick the FG if you don't convert.

In comment 12525556 AP in Halfmoon said:

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If the Giants score a TD there, would you still complain about the call?

Actually, I would.

I would have said they are playing with fire there, totally unnecessary.

Then cracked open a beer.

But for those saying it was the right call, just not right execution is the ONE reason when you practically have the game clinched you don't do this. Shit happens.

that's his job. What's going on at the end of games is embarrassing and concerning. It needs to get fixed immediately. It is 100% on the Head Coach no one else. But if you're looking at the OC as the head coach in waiting that's scary because he has no clue what he's doing in the last 4 minutes.

there is a large segment of people that will defend anything and anyone in authority with the Giants (except Jerry Reese) no matter what they do especially the Head Coach.

TC defended the decision to throw. If he had to do it again, he would do it again. There's nothing to "fix."

In comment 12528138 BlackLight said:

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TC defended the decision to throw. If he had to do it again, he would do it again. There's nothing to "fix."

And therein lies the problem.

In comment 12528138 BlackLight said:

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TC defended the decision to throw. If he had to do it again, he would do it again. There's nothing to "fix."

That's the spirit. Those icebergs don't scare me on this ship, lets speed up....

In comment 12528251 Danny Kanell said:

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In comment 12528138 BlackLight said: Quote: TC defended the decision to throw. If he had to do it again, he would do it again. There's nothing to "fix." And therein lies the problem.

And all future opponents say thank you.

Idiocy that belies a complete lack of understanding of the clock and the scoreboard.

Kicking the field goal on 1st down was a better course of action than throwing it.

The main objective of that drive had to be to make it a 3 possession game and the second had to be to waste some clock. We accomplished neither.

Baffling how, as a fan, you can sit here and know those things and yet somehow the guys on the sideline seem not to. It's alarming and it's becoming a much too familiar theme in all of these games.

It's got to get fixed. Because it's going to happen in a bigger spot later in the season and potentially ruin everything.

In comment 12528618 arcarsenal said:

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The main objective of that drive had to be to make it a 3 possession game and the second had to be to waste some clock. We accomplished neither. Baffling how, as a fan, you can sit here and know those things and yet somehow the guys on the sideline seem not to. It's alarming and it's becoming a much too familiar theme in all of these games. It's got to get fixed. Because it's going to happen in a bigger spot later in the season and potentially ruin everything.

Absolutely with you. And regardless, I'm not one of the people out to get rid of anyone. To me, this is just one of those things they for whatever reason they don't see as a weakness

IMO after the SB everyone has to be on the same page. Not even debating the correct strategy with that statement, just proper preparation. The fact that the QB/RB isn't sure, coaching playcall is iffy and we find ourselves in the same situations today and have lost some games in part because of it, I guess it is what it is. Love TC, but when he got here they touted his clock mgmt. Yet to me it always played out as a weakness on the field W or L. We should have learned after the SB if not 4 yrs later, simply happens too often