We are talking about arguably the most dynamic playmaker this franchise has ever had if things continue to pan out. We know about the sky high ability and potential....And I'll be honest I like it when guys play with some extra fire in their belly. The intensity and passion he has is something the league lacks and it can elevate the play of the entire team when their best player is all out, all the time.
That said...the sucker punch he threw after the INT was low class and a cowardly move. He threw the punch the sprinted away from the action as fast he could. The more he does that, the bigger the target will be on his head. It's going to lead to him getting hurt, whether its clean or not. There is a fine line between playing hard and running your mouth, but what he did today was out of line.
I know this....if Dez did that week 1, there would be 20+ threads calling him out and saying they would never want that on their team.
Sy is right on once again...
I'll take a guy who defends himself after getting cheap shotted, but also sprints across the field to block players and stand up for his QB and draw a penalty for it in the process.
I love Beckham's emotion and passion. The ability is top tier. And there is still the young and "a lot to learn" label we can give him. But there are a few things off the field that I know about that are concerning as well. I just hope the immaturity doesn't catch up to him before he can outgrow it...he is a lethal threat that very few teams in the league have.
Which I believe is a result of how he acts on the field. If you played sports, especially contact ones...you know what I am talking about.
Unemotionally and throwing sucker punches followed by running away aren't the only 2 options....
Mouth off.
Throwing sucker punches.
Different. If you have played the game or something similar you would understand. Guys will justify taking the extra cheap shot at him after seeing him do stuff like that.
Well, Beckham goes nuts after a big catch, Shockey after a first down.
It's not much ado about nothing when our best player is being targeted.
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Much ado about nothing.
It's not much ado about nothing when our best player is being targeted.
No not that part. I mean the criticism of OBJ being called bush league and cowardly for what he did.
Steve Smith and DeSean Jackson are terrific examples.
Of Sy'56's point.
See Smith's latest injury. The defender gloated right after it. And see DeSean's concussion after Dunta Robinson went head-to-head on him.
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I disagree. You play the game with what you need from yourself to get the most out of your talent. OBJ needs to mouth off, then I'm all for him mouthing off as long as he walks the line not to draw a flag
Mouth off.
Throwing sucker punches.
Different. If you have played the game or something similar you would understand. Guys will justify taking the extra cheap shot at him after seeing him do stuff like that.
It kinda doesn't surprise me ... maybe the biggest NY Giants star to hit NY City since LT? ODB made HUGE impact/splash in his rookie year. What is he 22-23 years old? That kind of stardom may mess with one's head at a young age. I just hope he doesn't turn into an a-hole. Would we acknowledge it if it did? LT had his moments - but, he always performed on the field. Is that why we forgave him?
Good Luck ODB ... heavy is the head that wears the crown.
Thats fine...we can agree to disagree without attempting a lame insult.
+1.
Disagree. It's like telling Pete Rose not to punch the catcher in the face after he strikes out.
Again playing hard and delivering cheap shots don't need to be in the same sentence....or even paragraph.
I won't quite give him the DJax punk act quite yet
but someone needs to pull him aside and tone it
down . The Fact is Many Great Wide Outs never felt
the Need to show anyone up .
Or just flat out piss people off that Will Indeed
look to knock your lights out .
His Skill set alone draws enough attention on its
own and thats a Good Thing but not only are players
playing there A game (No to say they don't always do )
but now they want to Take the Cocky right out of you
kinda how Desean made us feel early on .
Love the Fire Love the Passion and effort but
one handed catches 3 yards out of bounds are
not gonna get it done .
If you want to call Beckham out for being a hothead in general, I'm fine with that and agree with it. Combined with his insanely fast rise to fame, his attitude is forcing a lot of defenders to come at him hard.
But at the same time, defenders have always been overly physical with quick/small receivers. So comparing him to Calvin and Larry Fitz who are big but not overly quick is just an apples to oranges move in the first place.
On this play in particular, I had no issue based on what I saw. I haven't seen a replay so I don't know how much of a "sucker punch" this was, but I didn't think much of it. To me I saw a guy who was just making sure that Eli was ok after a rare tackle attempt. And I 1000% disagree with the "running away" aspect of your post Sy, I thought Beckham did an awesome job of not responding to the LBer after he started going crazy. Beckham was smart enough to know in that situation that he was going to draw a flag if he didn't react to it. That was a smart play on his part.
If you want to call Beckham out for being a hothead in general, I'm fine with that and agree with it. Combined with his insanely fast rise to fame, his attitude is forcing a lot of defenders to come at him hard.
But at the same time, defenders have always been overly physical with quick/small receivers. So comparing him to Calvin and Larry Fitz who are big but not overly quick is just an apples to oranges move in the first place.
On this play in particular, I had no issue based on what I saw. I haven't seen a replay so I don't know how much of a "sucker punch" this was, but I didn't think much of it. To me I saw a guy who was just making sure that Eli was ok after a rare tackle attempt. And I 1000% disagree with the "running away" aspect of your post Sy, I thought Beckham did an awesome job of not responding to the LBer after he started going crazy. Beckham was smart enough to know in that situation that he was going to draw a flag if he didn't react to it. That was a smart play on his part.
All good with the disagreement and good response.
But just for the record the sucker punch and runaway was after the INT. He got lit up by a defender on a clean block...Beckham got up and threw the punch then ran away. This was not on the previous grip fight where the BUF LB Brown was penalized.
Headhunter : 8:39 pm : link : reply
and don't draw flags for unsportsmanlike conduct, you can push the envelope if if gets your motor running
This whole thread is about what he did that was outside of the rules and flag worthy.
Which includes sucker punches I guess as long as he is a Giant.
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not to dive head first into first base, not to go hard thrying to break up a double play or separating a catcher from his sense and the ball at a play at the plate.
Disagree. It's like telling Pete Rose not to punch the catcher in the face after he strikes out.
Again playing hard and delivering cheap shots don't need to be in the same sentence....or even paragraph.
I'm with Sy 56 on this , an if this is his portrayal of mature play on the field what will his portrayal of maturity be off the field ? or more importantly during contract time. I could very easily see a holdout on the horizon tanking a me first mentality.
Legal?
Well obviously no, because it's the other team I guess.
Anyone that says otherwise is lying.
Anyone that says otherwise is lying.
He is certainly headed in that direction, IMO.
But to me Dez is just a low-IQ manchild, DeSean is just an annoying fuck who thinks he's a crip, and TO was a guy with the biggest ego in NFL history.
3 assholes maybe, but 3 very different types of assholes. There are a lot of WRs in particular who you can add to that list. Marvin Harrison might've been the biggest one of them all, and he was super quiet.
lol
Eh consider the source...has become the norm for some of the posters here...bad eggs in every group.
and there are plenty of Guys that will take
personal foul penalty to light him up .
I don't think its the Norm but I am pretty
confident that it Does .
If you're walking down the street late at night and only see an old lady around, would you steal her purse, knock her down and run away since you won't get caught?
I may be a bad egg, but you made that statement, you own it
So, you're saying the Bills are chickenshit?
But I'll take the same stance I did with Jacobs, he may be an asshole but he's OUR asshole
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way to go girl, keep beating that drum
Missed chop blocks at the knees are also ok as are eye pokes under the pile.
Whatever you have to do to be a better football player.
Nothing to see here and certrainly no need for an OBJ call out thread. Which is what this is. Word it how you like you're calling our best player in decades a punk. That's BS over such a minor occurence. Get with the program.
A slightly smaller than average frame essential WR one leg hit away from a diminished career needs to play as smart as he can and keep every edge. What does it cost to play smarter?
Was LT passionate? Rice? Lott? Walter Payton? Did they need to be chippy to maintain that edge? Strahan was quite chippy and quite verbal. Did he commit unnecessary fouls...caught or not.
Sherman plays verbal and chippy. Does he commit unnecessary fouls?
So its a choice. This game was not the only example.
is it a huge deal? No. Is it worth mentioning on a discussion board that discusses everything under the sun? Seems ok to me..
Anyway, ee shall see over time if it plays out smart or lucky or not or did not matter for Odell.
Nothing to see here and certrainly no need for an OBJ call out thread. Which is what this is. Word it how you like you're calling our best player in decades a punk.
As much as we might love the guy I was at least under the assumption that the majority of us agreed he was a bit of a punk on the field. We would hate his aggressiveness and be annoyed (or enjoy?) at how easy it seems to be to piss him off during a game if he wasn't in a Giants uniform.
It is a complete bitch move to throw a punch then tuck tail and run away. He got blasted to the ground and immediately got up and took a quick shot to the guy's face. I love how he's running full speed to try to get to the ball carrier - the hustle is great and shouldn't be ignored.
Now, all that said I am going to give OBJ a pass on this one because it looked like it was an emotional response to getting smoked on a day when he and his QB weren't exactly on the same page. He's a young kid who still has some growing up to do. He's got a huge ego, talent to match it and maybe getting knocked down a peg or two would be good for him long term.
If it happens again, my opinion will change. But he can talk all the shit he wants - that's par for the course. It's his personality and I'm fine with it. But the punch was a mistake and can't happen again.
Anyone that says otherwise is lying.
He is no way in the same tier as any of those guys. It might seem as if he could be on his way to that, but at this point? Come one.
It all goes into a pot.
All I know is that kids love him. My nephew who hates the Giants asked me for an OBJ jersey.
I doubt his marketing appeal takes too much of a hit for some punkish behavior
But the idea that what happens to Beckham happens to every other star receiver is just incorrect.