What that really means is he's taking responsibility for pushing too hard on the last offensive play calls (link below). I know almost everyone was complaining about it. I'm in the very small minority in that I think we should be pushing it. Would Brady, Peyton, Rogers, etc. lay up in that situation? The Bills offense is pretty good but not necessarily explosive. In this case they got a little cocky with the slant. Should have run the first 2 plays to maybe help setup a play action on 3rd down IMHO but that's fine.
As for who the interception was on, I just give credit to the defender TBH. Yea Reuben could have made a better effort but the defender had the step on it. I'm still not a fan of Reuben myself. Has trouble getting open and I don't think he fights very well for the ball. More like a number 3 then a number 2. Not sure what Eli could have done better there. It was a timing play that looked like it was there to me.
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You run the clock down....Buffalo helped that drive with 3 penalties....a fg makes it a 3 score game....you run 3 times, take time off the clock or force Buffalo to use their timeouts...and you kick a chip shot for a 17 point lead.....
These time management mistakes shouldn't be happening....it's just hard to believe.....4 weeks in a row? WTF?
As for the interception, it was a good throw....it was a bad effort by Randle......
Yes, a 17-point lead would have probably been insurmountable. But a 21-point lead would have been a lock. And I've seen enough Giant meltdowns to not get too comfortable, even with a 17-pt lead.
The defender made a great play on the ball, and Randle didn't actually try to prevent the interception (hip checks don't count).
That said, the Bills were a great help with killing the clock. Down 2 scores with 4 minutes left, and they drove downfield with all the urgency of a scoreless first quarter.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
We won the game. It took forever to put away Washington, we had Dallas and Atlanta put away and we ended up losing those games. So maybe TC is a little worried about a late collapse of the defense which has happened in the first three games.
Typical BBI wanting it both ways!
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
The Giants did not lose to Dallas because they got too conservative. The mistake in play calling at the end of the Dallas game was the same as this game. Against Dallas they should have been milking the clock and running the ball. Instead they threw it on third down stopped the clock and so gave the Cowboys and extra 40 seconds.
I like that they are being aggressive, but you have to know when being aggressive is no longer helpful. Once they were within range of an easy field goal they should have run the ball up the middle every time. Even ignoring the increased risk of a turnover, the possible extra 4 points isn't worth the the extra time you are leaving on the clock from incompletions.
I don't like "absolutes" but if you argue this one, you simply have no clue.
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It wasn't that the call was a bad one. It just wasn't executed.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
Not let the DB come through him for the ball. Have to be aggressive going for the slant.
At this point, I have little confidence this coaching staff & QB know what to do at the end of any half or game.
You think this won't come up again somewhere this season?
You don't put a game in jeopardy to "test" his readiness.
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It wasn't that the call was a bad one. It just wasn't executed.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
I guarantee you Beckham or Cruz make that catch or bat it down. This is a case of the Reubens.
Maybe Coughlin and Carroll out to go fishing together and compare notes. Out-smarting yourself eventually bites you in the ass. This didn't cost Coughlin the entire season (or his job), but if he keeps this crap up, who knows.
EXACTLY!!!
As for the call, yeah, I get what TC was trying to do, and if this team was a well-oiled machine hitting on all cylinders, I could see him "going for the dagger." But these Giants are NOT that -- certainly not at this point in the season. After the start they've had, and the way the Defense has looked in the 4th quarters, OF COURSE you run the ball, use the clock, and kick the FG.
Silly call by the coach. Badly executed by the WR.
"Ok guys,watch out for Khalil Mack on this next play" - McAdoo
its a good play by the DB but how is RR supposed to get there?
the expectation there is absurd--- the bias against randle is comical--- I don't love the guy but there was ZERO he could do. the DB jumped the entire route... just because a guy was the cause of many interceptions in 2013 does NOT mean any INT thrown in his direction is on him in 2015.
ohhhhhhh... its actually not physically possible, only in the world of BBI --- bad play call... great jump by the DB... and not an ideal throw but a quick hitter so hard to hold back
(1) 2 TD
(2) 2 extra points
(3) and a FG is need
This is not even counting the onside kicks that must be recovered successfully and the clock.
This again is coaching 101 .... This is pressure getting to TC.
Now our coaching staff needs a diagram of what to do with a lead and time still on a clock.
I don't understand the fascination with passing down low but if you are going to do it set it up with the run like SD and make the D think you are going to run and then have a little dinker to a wide open TE in the End Zone. Instead they love the slant pass. I remember a few years ago the Giants were in a similar situation and instead of running they threw and it was tipped up for a TD. A little further out like on the Randall TD it works because there is more space but when it is tight jam it in there with the run or high percentage throws work.
No, and I haven't seen anyone arguing the point, either.
It was poorly handled and it's been poorly handled all season.
The pass was there, it was either a great play by the DB or a bad play by Randle. Video analysis will tell that.
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In comment 12526392 Curtis in VA said:
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It wasn't that the call was a bad one. It just wasn't executed.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
When Randle made his break, he knew he wasn't wide open....if he drives to get between the ball and the defender, it isn't an int, it may or may not be a catch, and it may be pass interference.....the effort was lackadaisical at best...something we tend to see from him, time to time....just Reuban, being Reuban....from what I have seen from this guy this year, he won't be getting a big contract offer from the Giants...
I like staying aggressive in the fourth quarter, but inthe final minutes the value of running more time off the clock and limiting the chance of a turnover needs to be taken into account. I'm a TC fan, and generally think of him as being very well prepared for in game situations that might arise, so this if very perplexing to me. Hopefully it is mainly coming from McAdoo being aggressive, and he just needs to learn the end game strategy a bit better.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
Yes it was stupid. And post like yours have me convinced you would be defending the "FUMBLE" if BBI was around when Czonka and Jersey Joe made Herm Edwards famous.
How many fans watching were thinking: "Ok just run the ball and hang on to it. Kick the FG and end the game." Clearly, that message was not given by Coughlin.
Back to the Dallas game. Was there a directive from Coughlin about what to do with those 3 downs? How could it be Eli's call to tell Jennings not to score?
Go back to the 2011 SB. Remember Bradshaw stumbling into the end zone, uncertain whether to cross goal line. After the game, I recall Coughlin saying something like "I always want to score the TD." But clearly Bradshaw didn't know that.
Typically,after the game Coughlin says what he thought should have happened, sometimes faulting his players and then closing with "but I take responsibility. It's on me."
The end of the game decisions we've seen this year have been some of the worst moves I've ever seen by NFL coaches.
There is no reason to throw the ball on 2nd or 3rd down.
The only move is run it 3 times, kick the FG, and go up by 3 scores.
I saw it as a great play by the DB. He was all over that route and dont think Randle could have done much to prevent it. I almost fell over as he started running that back.
Plain old stupid is the only thing to say about that call. If he returned it, I would've bet on the team collapsing again.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
In comment 12527120 Big Al said:
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The league wide fumble rate is 1.67%.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
Looking at those number another way, looks to me like you are almost doubling the likelihood of a turnover by passing rather running.
What's the Int. rate on passes inside 10 yard line? What's the fumble rate when teams are inside the 10 in the closing minutes when they have the lead?
Buts its not, really. TC (or McAdoo) has really failed in the final minutes of games recently. Eli has too, but since this is Coughlin's primary responibility, he is more culpable.
He's a good coach from a preparation point of view. He just may not be that smart.
Buts its not, really. TC (or McAdoo) has really failed in the final minutes of games recently. Eli has too, but since this is Coughlin's primary responibility, he is more culpable.
He's a good coach from a preparation point of view. He just may not be that smart.
Shouldn't it be the HC's job to make the goals clear in these situations, the OC's job to call specific play and QB's to carry it out or modify it with HC's goal in mind?
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The league wide fumble rate is 1.67%.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
Looking at those number another way, looks to me like you are almost doubling the likelihood of a turnover by passing rather running.
And the percentage likelihood of a turnover return for a touchdown (or very large gain) has to be (on a relative basis) vastly higher when passing. That is what could have really swung the game and it could easily have happened.
As far as the title of this thread, and JMO, when TC says "it's my responsibility" he's covering for Eli. Eli is making changes on every play at the line and I'd wager that these plays had the option (if not the primary call) to hand it to the shotgun back.
Love to be in a room with McAdoo with no recording devices.
Maybe Coughlin and Carroll out to go fishing together and compare notes. Out-smarting yourself eventually bites you in the ass. This didn't cost Coughlin the entire season (or his job), but if he keeps this crap up, who knows.
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