What that really means is he's taking responsibility for pushing too hard on the last offensive play calls (link below). I know almost everyone was complaining about it. I'm in the very small minority in that I think we should be pushing it. Would Brady, Peyton, Rogers, etc. lay up in that situation? The Bills offense is pretty good but not necessarily explosive. In this case they got a little cocky with the slant. Should have run the first 2 plays to maybe help setup a play action on 3rd down IMHO but that's fine.
As for who the interception was on, I just give credit to the defender TBH. Yea Reuben could have made a better effort but the defender had the step on it. I'm still not a fan of Reuben myself. Has trouble getting open and I don't think he fights very well for the ball. More like a number 3 then a number 2. Not sure what Eli could have done better there. It was a timing play that looked like it was there to me.
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"Bills offenseive is explosive"....falsehood no. 1 and you know better, in your zealousness you're corrupting inarguable truths. Absent McCoy and Watkins the Bill offense is non existant at worse and plodding and based on a bullish RB and three yards at a clip - at best.
Three points there is almost as good as a touchdown and clearly the game. An interception can't be risked, it's an emotional stimulus for them as well as a chance to score and then on side kick.
The play is inexcusable, both from the call but from Eli risking the INT. If it's not there he has to throw it away and take the three and close out the game.
It's not only stupid it's unaccountably so and even with the stoppage of the clock adding to it.
I love TC, love this regime, was the only one here who talked about an easy win yesterday because of the matchups and absence of McCoy/Watkins...but for all of that there's something strange going on. Something I simply find impossible.
I didn't like the slant route either, too much traffic. Reuben made a very poor effort on the ball too.
Maybe Coughlin and Carroll out to go fishing together and compare notes. Out-smarting yourself eventually bites you in the ass. This didn't cost Coughlin the entire season (or his job), but if he keeps this crap up, who knows.
Unless they run the kickoff back which I don't think was going to happen and even if they did you're still up ten point with not much time left after you run your offense. Suppose the guy who intercepted it would have taken it to the house which looked like at first that was a possibility. How stoked would that Bills defense be at that point with over three minutes to play. Anything could have happened at that point.
That was a bad decision that luckily did not come back to hurt them. Tom has to get his head screwed on straight when it comes down to the decisions he is making late in games down by the goal line. That's the second time their play calling in those situations was so out of character and frankly will come back to bite him again somewhere down the road if he doesn't self scout his own decision making in those spots.
TC gets credit for getting them ready to play and for providing a stable atmosphere. He has to take the blame when he makes reckless decisions.
It comes with the territory.
That being said, Randall reminded me of Nicks with the lackluster effort to compete for the ball. As a WR, when the slant is called the first think you learn is to flatten the route as much as necessary to make sure that no defender gets between you and the QB.
He didn't quit on the route like Nicks did, but he damn sure didn't sell out either.
Good win, but it's time to move on to the 49ers.
Maybe Coughlin and Carroll out to go fishing together and compare notes. Out-smarting yourself eventually bites you in the ass. This didn't cost Coughlin the entire season (or his job), but if he keeps this crap up, who knows.
I think you're a little over the top here - Coughlin (and Carroll) make some bad decisions (and kicking a FG at the end was a no-brained), but take a look at what's going on down in Philly for an example of a coach who genuinely thinks he can out-smart everyone
It was STUPID and more importantly totally unnecessary. Run three times. Eat clock. A concept lost on the offensive staff still. The D put the team in the position to win the game and the offensive side of the ball again put gave the opposition a time to make a play. We are just lucky Tayor isn't that good and McCoy and Watkins weren't available.
This has happened 3 times in 4 games., That should concern fans.
"Bills offenseive is explosive"....falsehood no. 1 and you know better, in your zealousness you're corrupting inarguable truths. Absent McCoy and Watkins the Bill offense is non existant at worse and plodding and based on a bullish RB and three yards at a clip - at best.
Three points there is almost as good as a touchdown and clearly the game. An interception can't be risked, it's an emotional stimulus for them as well as a chance to score and then on side kick.
The play is inexcusable, both from the call but from Eli risking the INT. If it's not there he has to throw it away and take the three and close out the game.
It's not only stupid it's unaccountably so and even with the stoppage of the clock adding to it.
I love TC, love this regime, was the only one here who talked about an easy win yesterday because of the matchups and absence of McCoy/Watkins...but for all of that there's something strange going on. Something I simply find impossible.
Absolutely spot on. Also, watch the replay carefully, the defender jumped the route before the ball was thrown. Eli had time to pull the ball down or throw it away. That is not knocking Eli, its a diagnosis of that particular play. Eli has played well this year and other QBs will make those mistakes too.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
#2 - Eli throws pass to OBJ stopping clock
#3 - Eli throws slant that gets picked.
We need a FG there to go up 3 scores therefore no need to stop clock or get the touchdown...in this case 4 more points basically makes no difference.
And shame on the play call as if you are going to be an idiot and throw the ball, at least throw it to the back corner of endzone so your guy gets it or no one.
If Buffalo takes that pick to the house, Coughlin should have been suspended...
As for the pick -- I put that one on Randle. Yes the DB jumped the route, but Randle shouldn't have let him. He HAS to get inside the DB on that route. Period.
If a bunch of fans sitting on their couch can see that I don't understand why the coaches didn't.
"Bills offenseive is explosive"....falsehood no. 1 and you know better, in your zealousness you're corrupting inarguable truths. Absent McCoy and Watkins the Bill offense is non existant at worse and plodding and based on a bullish RB and three yards at a clip - at best.
Just to clarify, I said, "The Bills offense is not necessarily explosive". Maybe that's not clear.
I agree there was some poor decision making there but I'm still ok with them going for it. Again, I wish it was run (without running out of bounds), run, playaction but it is what it is. I still say the great QBs go for it there.
Also, I know I'm in the minority. It's a win though guys. Chill out.
We won the game. It took forever to put away Washington, we had Dallas and Atlanta put away and we ended up losing those games. So maybe TC is a little worried about a late collapse of the defense which has happened in the first three games.
Typical BBI wanting it both ways!
You run the clock down....Buffalo helped that drive with 3 penalties....a fg makes it a 3 score game....you run 3 times, take time off the clock or force Buffalo to use their timeouts...and you kick a chip shot for a 17 point lead.....
These time management mistakes shouldn't be happening....it's just hard to believe.....4 weeks in a row? WTF?
As for the interception, it was a good throw....it was a bad effort by Randle......
Yes, a 17-point lead would have probably been insurmountable. But a 21-point lead would have been a lock. And I've seen enough Giant meltdowns to not get too comfortable, even with a 17-pt lead.
The defender made a great play on the ball, and Randle didn't actually try to prevent the interception (hip checks don't count).
That said, the Bills were a great help with killing the clock. Down 2 scores with 4 minutes left, and they drove downfield with all the urgency of a scoreless first quarter.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
We won the game. It took forever to put away Washington, we had Dallas and Atlanta put away and we ended up losing those games. So maybe TC is a little worried about a late collapse of the defense which has happened in the first three games.
Typical BBI wanting it both ways!
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
The Giants did not lose to Dallas because they got too conservative. The mistake in play calling at the end of the Dallas game was the same as this game. Against Dallas they should have been milking the clock and running the ball. Instead they threw it on third down stopped the clock and so gave the Cowboys and extra 40 seconds.
I like that they are being aggressive, but you have to know when being aggressive is no longer helpful. Once they were within range of an easy field goal they should have run the ball up the middle every time. Even ignoring the increased risk of a turnover, the possible extra 4 points isn't worth the the extra time you are leaving on the clock from incompletions.
I don't like "absolutes" but if you argue this one, you simply have no clue.
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It wasn't that the call was a bad one. It just wasn't executed.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
Not let the DB come through him for the ball. Have to be aggressive going for the slant.
At this point, I have little confidence this coaching staff & QB know what to do at the end of any half or game.
You think this won't come up again somewhere this season?
You don't put a game in jeopardy to "test" his readiness.
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It wasn't that the call was a bad one. It just wasn't executed.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
I guarantee you Beckham or Cruz make that catch or bat it down. This is a case of the Reubens.
Maybe Coughlin and Carroll out to go fishing together and compare notes. Out-smarting yourself eventually bites you in the ass. This didn't cost Coughlin the entire season (or his job), but if he keeps this crap up, who knows.
EXACTLY!!!
As for the call, yeah, I get what TC was trying to do, and if this team was a well-oiled machine hitting on all cylinders, I could see him "going for the dagger." But these Giants are NOT that -- certainly not at this point in the season. After the start they've had, and the way the Defense has looked in the 4th quarters, OF COURSE you run the ball, use the clock, and kick the FG.
Silly call by the coach. Badly executed by the WR.
"Ok guys,watch out for Khalil Mack on this next play" - McAdoo
its a good play by the DB but how is RR supposed to get there?
the expectation there is absurd--- the bias against randle is comical--- I don't love the guy but there was ZERO he could do. the DB jumped the entire route... just because a guy was the cause of many interceptions in 2013 does NOT mean any INT thrown in his direction is on him in 2015.
ohhhhhhh... its actually not physically possible, only in the world of BBI --- bad play call... great jump by the DB... and not an ideal throw but a quick hitter so hard to hold back
(1) 2 TD
(2) 2 extra points
(3) and a FG is need
This is not even counting the onside kicks that must be recovered successfully and the clock.
This again is coaching 101 .... This is pressure getting to TC.
Now our coaching staff needs a diagram of what to do with a lead and time still on a clock.