What that really means is he's taking responsibility for pushing too hard on the last offensive play calls (link below). I know almost everyone was complaining about it. I'm in the very small minority in that I think we should be pushing it. Would Brady, Peyton, Rogers, etc. lay up in that situation? The Bills offense is pretty good but not necessarily explosive. In this case they got a little cocky with the slant. Should have run the first 2 plays to maybe help setup a play action on 3rd down IMHO but that's fine.
As for who the interception was on, I just give credit to the defender TBH. Yea Reuben could have made a better effort but the defender had the step on it. I'm still not a fan of Reuben myself. Has trouble getting open and I don't think he fights very well for the ball. More like a number 3 then a number 2. Not sure what Eli could have done better there. It was a timing play that looked like it was there to me.
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I don't understand the fascination with passing down low but if you are going to do it set it up with the run like SD and make the D think you are going to run and then have a little dinker to a wide open TE in the End Zone. Instead they love the slant pass. I remember a few years ago the Giants were in a similar situation and instead of running they threw and it was tipped up for a TD. A little further out like on the Randall TD it works because there is more space but when it is tight jam it in there with the run or high percentage throws work.
No, and I haven't seen anyone arguing the point, either.
It was poorly handled and it's been poorly handled all season.
The pass was there, it was either a great play by the DB or a bad play by Randle. Video analysis will tell that.
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In comment 12526392 Curtis in VA said:
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It wasn't that the call was a bad one. It just wasn't executed.
Thats not the fault of the coach. Its another boneheaded mistake by Reuben.
WTF was he supposed to do?
When Randle made his break, he knew he wasn't wide open....if he drives to get between the ball and the defender, it isn't an int, it may or may not be a catch, and it may be pass interference.....the effort was lackadaisical at best...something we tend to see from him, time to time....just Reuban, being Reuban....from what I have seen from this guy this year, he won't be getting a big contract offer from the Giants...
I like staying aggressive in the fourth quarter, but inthe final minutes the value of running more time off the clock and limiting the chance of a turnover needs to be taken into account. I'm a TC fan, and generally think of him as being very well prepared for in game situations that might arise, so this if very perplexing to me. Hopefully it is mainly coming from McAdoo being aggressive, and he just needs to learn the end game strategy a bit better.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
Yes it was stupid. And post like yours have me convinced you would be defending the "FUMBLE" if BBI was around when Czonka and Jersey Joe made Herm Edwards famous.
How many fans watching were thinking: "Ok just run the ball and hang on to it. Kick the FG and end the game." Clearly, that message was not given by Coughlin.
Back to the Dallas game. Was there a directive from Coughlin about what to do with those 3 downs? How could it be Eli's call to tell Jennings not to score?
Go back to the 2011 SB. Remember Bradshaw stumbling into the end zone, uncertain whether to cross goal line. After the game, I recall Coughlin saying something like "I always want to score the TD." But clearly Bradshaw didn't know that.
Typically,after the game Coughlin says what he thought should have happened, sometimes faulting his players and then closing with "but I take responsibility. It's on me."
The end of the game decisions we've seen this year have been some of the worst moves I've ever seen by NFL coaches.
There is no reason to throw the ball on 2nd or 3rd down.
The only move is run it 3 times, kick the FG, and go up by 3 scores.
I saw it as a great play by the DB. He was all over that route and dont think Randle could have done much to prevent it. I almost fell over as he started running that back.
Plain old stupid is the only thing to say about that call. If he returned it, I would've bet on the team collapsing again.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
In comment 12527120 Big Al said:
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The league wide fumble rate is 1.67%.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
Looking at those number another way, looks to me like you are almost doubling the likelihood of a turnover by passing rather running.
What's the Int. rate on passes inside 10 yard line? What's the fumble rate when teams are inside the 10 in the closing minutes when they have the lead?
Buts its not, really. TC (or McAdoo) has really failed in the final minutes of games recently. Eli has too, but since this is Coughlin's primary responibility, he is more culpable.
He's a good coach from a preparation point of view. He just may not be that smart.
Buts its not, really. TC (or McAdoo) has really failed in the final minutes of games recently. Eli has too, but since this is Coughlin's primary responibility, he is more culpable.
He's a good coach from a preparation point of view. He just may not be that smart.
Shouldn't it be the HC's job to make the goals clear in these situations, the OC's job to call specific play and QB's to carry it out or modify it with HC's goal in mind?
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The league wide fumble rate is 1.67%.
So the increase in turnover likelihood is around 1%, probably more like 1.5% since some fumbles are on pass plays. So by passing in that situation, the Giants increased the likelihood of a turnover by about 1.5%.
Is that really so incredibly stupid? If you read the threads here, you would think that the chance of a turnover on a running play was 0% and the chance of a turnover on a passing play was 40%. The increase in risk for passing was really not that great.
Looking at those number another way, looks to me like you are almost doubling the likelihood of a turnover by passing rather running.
And the percentage likelihood of a turnover return for a touchdown (or very large gain) has to be (on a relative basis) vastly higher when passing. That is what could have really swung the game and it could easily have happened.
As far as the title of this thread, and JMO, when TC says "it's my responsibility" he's covering for Eli. Eli is making changes on every play at the line and I'd wager that these plays had the option (if not the primary call) to hand it to the shotgun back.
Love to be in a room with McAdoo with no recording devices.
Maybe Coughlin and Carroll out to go fishing together and compare notes. Out-smarting yourself eventually bites you in the ass. This didn't cost Coughlin the entire season (or his job), but if he keeps this crap up, who knows.
/agree