JPP, Beatty, Cruz, Fells, Ayers

JPP is not coming back.

Cruz may not be coming back either.

In comment 12526401 Eric from BBI said:

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JPP is not coming back. Cruz may not be coming back either.

Agree.

Ayers, Fells, Beatty, to contribute soon. To a bit lesser extent Cruz, and then who knows about JPP at this point?

Ayers and Fells would be enough. I'm not completely pessimistic about Cruz. I think he could be back after the bye.

I really don't like Donnell. Weak player. Fells can block and he can stay on his feet when he gets the ball.

That's your opinion. Not a fact. You have no idea whether he's coming or not.

Beatty back as well, would boost the run game in my opinion.

whether you think he will be back or not. Beatty is one addition I think people are downplaying the significance of. He would give this line a much better pass protecting unit and allow Marshall to be a swing guy or BIG TE in running downs. Beatty's addition is big.

Ayers and Fells will solidify things at two positions.

looks like he can do a decent job filling in for Cruz which is great

In comment 12526401 Eric from BBI said:

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JPP is not coming back. Cruz may not be coming back either.

With the way a lot of people on the site look to your words as gospel, you really ought to shy away from such declarations when you really just don't know.

not coming back. Don't hold your breath. Sure wish Giants could trade for a vet WR. Maybe Hartline from Browns? There has to be some WR available. Randle is not dependable and Giants can't afford to be thin there.

Interesting.

I'd rather continue with the use of Vereen, and if we were going to trade, we trade for a TE.

That said, the Giants aren't trading for a TE.

Welker still a conversation this week?

JPP and Cruz come back and can play by game 8 -- but it's possible that they won't - I don't know how anyone can be sure of either outcome

I know that you've felt all along, with regards to JPP,that this is setting up to be legal battle between the Giants' doctors and JPP's doctors. I understand your point there. The Giants' are holding the tag on him so that they can retain him under the franchise tag next year, placing him on the NFI this year, at which point they can decide whether or not he is capable of playing football. You've also outlined that JPPs camps action are creating a paper trail to prove that he is capable of playing, thus creating the basis for his argument at a potential grievance hearing. So, I get where you are coming from with your thoughts. However, the Giants' have plenty of cap space this year and next, are already saving money on each game he misses, and if this season has a shot to go anywhere, I think JPP can play a pivotal role. From the Giants' point view - Why not take a gamble $7 million gamble on a premiere pass rusher and see what they have? If he plays well, then great, then you know how to value him next off-season. If he plays poorly, then you can say, alright, he's not the same player and move on. But to move the decision to next year, without having seen him play, also has issues, cause then you are devoting another $14 million in franchise tag money towards a complete unknown. Why not know?

than playing JPP this year, or ever again for that matter.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that this defense looks better since he hasn't been on it.

Of course it's my opinion, but I don't think it is that far off.

Cruz was out from August 17 to September 30 with a calf issue that he just re-injured. If he sits out a similar amount of time, we're talking mid-November before he attempts another comeback. The Giants trainers have already demonstrated an inability to properly handle calf injuries (Berhe's multiple premature comeback attempts and eventual surgery and now Cruz's setback).

Regarding JPP, he blew all or parts of 2-3 fingers, fractured his thumb, and had skin grafts on his arms and hand. Pardon me for not being terribly optimistic there.

In comment 12526458 Go Terps said:

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than playing JPP this year, or ever again for that matter. I also don't think it's a coincidence that this defense looks better since he hasn't been on it.

Too many variables to point the finger (no pun!) at JPP on this one. New defensive additions, new DC.

I think JPP of old would make a great addition to this team, unfortunately, we can't get that guy back. I'm with Eric, we don't see JPP in blue this year, and more than likely ever again.

before you get too giddy about Cruz's recent injection, read what he said about the somewhat controversial platelet-rich plasma (PRP) injection. He basically said the trainers said "it might not help, but it wouldn't hurt". In other words, it sounded like they were a bit at a loss and decided to at least try it.

Meanwhile, Dr. Chao said the PRP will keep him out 2-6 weeks.

you may be right. You may be wrong. Just saying you're stating an educated guess not a fact.

We just have no idea if he can actually play professional football in 2015. Pushing and pulling weight sleds doesn't demonstrate that ability, and the medical pro's have been consistent in stating the time required for the skin grafts to heal was going to create major obstacles for him to play in 2015. Cruz's latest setback is not a good sign when you consider how long he's already been out. It looks like he's going to miss half this season or more.

Ayers, Beatty, and Fells should return on time, and are needed.

but i don think he'll play this season. And if it's only downt he stretch, and we can remain in the hunt until then, well, we all know what can happen when a team gets hot.

Mayne out for the season.

*Maybe out for the season.

wrong about Fells, too bad. MBennett even more of a possibility. I say trade a conditional 5th.

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for reasons beaten to death last week.

coming back.....

Cruz may be back, but the guy coming back will not be the Cruz we expect....

Would like to see another receiver picked up....when Harris gets nicked, he can't play ST's....

Beatty? How long to get into football shape? And where do you play him? LT or RT?

Hard to believe that we miss Fells....that's the state of our TE situation...

Ayers is a situational pass rusher....yes, we need him...hopefully he will be ready....

Good to see OO and Moore out there.....we need to know what these guys can do, instead of speculating about it...

until someone puts him on a field...

that's my thought. I mean, how can we value him at all without seeing him?

They did see JPP a few weeks ago. They told him to go home.

I do not believe he improves the RT position. Probably you gain some pass protection, lose some run blocking.

He probably improves the LT position, so the question is whether rookie Flowers (playing only LT a few years now) can make a seamless transition to RT.

Some lineman have trouble shifting sides, others do not.

In comment 12526445 Beezer said:

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I'd rather continue with the use of Vereen, and if we were going to trade, we trade for a TE. That said, the Giants aren't trading for a TE. Welker still a conversation this week?

Hartline would give us depth.

JPP won't be back on the field soon if at all this season .

status uncertain now.

but one man's injury is another man's opportunity.

Tye and Cunningham have more upside as receivers than Fells.

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=522082

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Cruz is now likely to be out a while. Fells, prior to this thread being started, was a possible Ir candidate thanks to unexpected surgery. JPP is nowhere near ready to come back. Are people really taking unfounded reports, likely put out by his agent, that he is ready seriously. On Friday Coughlin put those to rest saying there is no new news about JPP.