Ereck Flowers

I think we have hit 2 of the biggest first round home runs we've ever hit in the past 2 drafts.

absolutely and completely. still not 100% there technique wise, but he comes to work everyday, he plays hurt, he's been thrust into the most important position on the line and has handled it with total professionalism, and he seems to get under the opposition's skin.

giants nailed this pick when all the experts were all over the board in terms of LTs this year (and all over as to whether or not flowers could even play LT)...

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it sure looks like he's built a good OL. Took him some time, granted, but looks like it might be the strength of the team if they can stay healthy.

Reese nailed it and a legit LT to boot. Great job and a pick that I didn't see coming at all.

There is a real toughness to this line right now. Flowers, Pugh and Richburg definitely play with an edge, along with the talent they possess.

I wonder if Beatty will ever really fit back in. IMO, he's always played a bit soft. Maybe it's no coincidence our line has improved this season without him (And enough time to prepare without him).

would only make the line better. Not throwing a parade for Newhouse merely being okay thus far. They can stand to run the ball better.

exactly what NYG wanted and needed at LT ... leave him there, kick Beatty to RT and let him prove utility for his contract.

TC would typically agree with you. We'll see soon.

then move flowers anywhere.

toughness that this team needs. He plays hurt, he mauls, he works hard. I know its early to assess him but so far I love what he brings. He hasn't even had time to learn the pro game yet.

In comment 12526495 Danny Kanell said:

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I think we have hit 2 of the biggest first round home runs we've ever hit in the past 2 drafts.

You may be right. Early but it sure looks like it

Did we really want the offensive tackle last year instead of Beckham?

And did we really want the Iowa tackle who is playing guard with Wash. instead of Flowers?

Someday someone will write a book and we'll find out.

at Right Guard? Seems like Newhouse is doing OK at right tackle and that Beatty moves pretty well.

I know we are paying him a lot, but that doesn't seem to matter at this point so much as making the line dominant.

Remains to be seen if he can even live up to the play. But we'll see

for drafting Scherff.

In comment 12526531 JonC said:

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exactly what NYG wanted and needed at LT ... leave him there, kick Beatty to RT and let him prove utility for his contract.

Agree with JC. Flowers should never be removed from LT except for injury reasons. (Knocks wood)

6'9 345.

As big as Flowers, 6'6 315, is Ogden would dwarf him.

Your point is valid, but Flowers is ~330, fiw.

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not the case with this guy. He is one powerful man.

Not the smoothest guy in his movements which is why so many here think he's more RT than LT, but he looks more than capable of being a long-term LT.

In comment 12526534 GMenLTS said:

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then move flowers anywhere.

I can see Beatty work his way back to the starting RT role. The NFL is a passing league still and Beatty is likely and upgrade over Newhouse. He'd also have fresh legs for the final 6 games as I think he'd be ready by around the post bye run.

As for Flowers, yes, it looks like the Giants hit on a good pick here!

was for Flowers to be the starting LT someday. With the injury to Beatty and the play of Flowers thus far I doubt they move him to RT now. IMO LT is his position and Beatty is the one who will likely move to the right side.

he won't be on the team next year. No more scholarships, and so far Newhouse has done a respectable job. Going forward, when we're looking for an OL, finesse players need not apply.

In comment 12526531 JonC said:

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exactly what NYG wanted and needed at LT ... leave him there, kick Beatty to RT and let him prove utility for his contract.

He is certainly looking like a bona-fide great pick by Reese & Co. Love the playing hurt stuff too..

things about this guy is that you know his run blocking will always be a strength. He's just too big and agile for anyone to keep up there.

But he just went up against one of the best pass rushers in the league, with a gimpy ankle, and totally shut him down. That's an elite LT performance for a vet, never mind a rookie on one bum leg.

In comment 12526632 No Where Man said:

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he won't be on the team next year. No more scholarships, and so far Newhouse has done a respectable job. Going forward, when we're looking for an OL, finesse players need not apply.

Excuse me, Beatty's been on scholarship? He was our best OL last year, get a clue.

In comment 12526528 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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would only make the line better. Not throwing a parade for Newhouse merely being okay thus far. They can stand to run the ball better.

WTF?! How does moving a very good, only to get better, LT in the middle of the season for someone who probably is not any better going to make the OL better?

In comment 12526664 Matt M. said:

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In comment 12526528 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: would only make the line better. Not throwing a parade for Newhouse merely being okay thus far. They can stand to run the ball better. WTF?! How does moving a very good, only to get better, LT in the middle of the season for someone who probably is not any better going to make the OL better?

You get as good or better pass protection on the left, and a certified powerhouse run blocker on the right, that's how.

to draft a RT in one of the 1st three rounds and pair him with Flowers as young book-ends.

at this extremely early stage that he will be indeed a franchise OLT, despite any expected growing pains..

If he was struggling, I could see a temporary move to ORT..I cannot see TC moving him out of OLT..This is in no way a "veteran assumes his old job," as he would never move a franchise piece(unless really struggling) to make way for an established vet who is not as good, imv..

Bringing O'Hara back to replace a Boothe(who seemed to be doing well) is not the same thing..Boothe was never a franchise piece..

And I think the Giants OL is going to become a legitimate strength again.

say what you want about Reese, but they have rebuilt the OL through the last 3 drafts.

that based on his play so far, that it makes no sense to move Flowers out of left tackle. That job could be his for seasons to come, he has the look of a foundation piece for this team.

What would be the benefit of moving him out of his starting role? And for Beatty? A guy who was average at best? Beatty largest value will be off the bench.

...but with our other four Ol playing at a high level we are able to give him some help on the right side. As a unit we are performing above my expectations for this season so far. Flowers early development is a huge reason for this. He has emerged as potentially the best LT we've had since Jumbo was in his prime.

instead of giving up any pressures from Jerry Hughes he put so much pressure on Hughes that Hughes literally popped - he almost lost his mind.

Pugh and Richburg looked like they've been trending upwards this year, which is great.

However, the Schwartz signing is not looking great. It's looking like Baas part II. Really wish we would have taken a shot at Iupati (though I haven't seen how he's played yet this year).

I don't know a lot about OT play (maybe B in ALB can chime in, since IIRC, he played OT), but people are saying that Beatty can't play RT.

If that's true, it puts the Giants in a tricky spot. You want to put your 5 best OL on the field, but is it really worth moving Flowers out from LT when he can be there for 5+ years?

We all remember 2010 when they re-inserted O'Hara for a player (Whitfield? Shawn or Stacey Andrews) and the O-line suffered. The situation is slightly different as the player O'Hara was replacing wasn't a young 1st rd pick, but it was still subtraction by addition.

If Beatty CAN move to RT, I actually like the line of:

Flowers - Pugh - Richburg - Schwartz - Beatty

That line is solid enough to keep Eli upright and run some power plays to the left side.

I'd still like one final OT in rd 2 or 3 to sure up the line. If it's a player who can play OG or OT, even better.

He played it in college and despite BBI memes to the contrary he is a solid run blocker.

He's done a fine job this year.

In comment 12526531 JonC said:

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exactly what NYG wanted and needed at LT ... leave him there, kick Beatty to RT and let him prove utility for his contract.

Yes. Why waste all the work, progress and chemistry developed and move a rookie to a new position half way through the season? And remember, Flowers was an LT in college for vast majority of his games.

In comment 12526669 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12526664 Matt M. said: Quote: In comment 12526528 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: would only make the line better. Not throwing a parade for Newhouse merely being okay thus far. They can stand to run the ball better. WTF?! How does moving a very good, only to get better, LT in the middle of the season for someone who probably is not any better going to make the OL better? You get as good or better pass protection on the left, and a certified powerhouse run blocker on the right, that's how.

You dno't move the franchise LT if he isn't struggling. That isn't making them better. If Beatty is good enough to play LT, then he is good enough to play RT. Plus, it isn't like Newhouse needs replacing. In the middle of the season, I think you only make changes to the OL if you have to or you have a known commodity. At this point neither Flowers nor Beatty is a known commodity at RT and neither Flowers nor Newhouse needs to be replaced.

for our team this year was how would a rookie LOT hold up? Would Eli get killed during the rookie's growing pains? So happy that the big guy has been playing at least serviceable and moving each game toward dominance.

Big thumbs up to Flowers and the coaches that made the tough decision to hang the rookie out as raw meat. It has paid off so far.

any kind of job security. They still can't run the ball effectively enough, so this offensive line is no finished product.

It may take a couple games once he's activated to get him ready.

I really doubt that Flowers' ankle is 100%, and even if it is, he hasn't had any time yet to practice on it after it healed. He has been gutting it out and still being playing at a high all-rookie level.

In comment 12527020 manh george said:

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I really doubt that Flowers' ankle is 100%, and even if it is, he hasn't had any time yet to practice on it after it healed. He has been gutting it out and still being playing at a high all-rookie level.

He's certainly not. Apparently he rolled it again after the first play but came back anyway. Article in the post this AM.

I wish we could roll back the tape to last March and April a lot of people were railing against taking Flowers with the # 9 pick because there was a lot of that arguing that you don't use a top pick on an RT and that he couldn't play LT.

"I knew this all along." I don't see anyone saying that.

I m somewhere in the middle there. I loved the pick, but fully expected him to play RT. Of course, that is before Beatty was hurt. I was fine with drafting him to play RT because it was pretty evident he was the best OL available there and everything he said pointed to a guy with a great work ethic and the physical tools. I was skeptical about moving him to LT initially, because I thought the Giants and other reports were pointing to him being more of a RT. On that I was wrong and happily admit it. This guy will be a fixture at LT for many years.

Love his attitude and his ability to play with an injury. His strength right now is a tremendous plus for him as he's still learning the position, but he appears to be getting better and his hand placement has been better too.

In comment 12527237 Reb8thVA said:

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I wish we could roll back the tape to last March and April a lot of people were railing against taking Flowers with the # 9 pick because there was a lot of that arguing that you don't use a top pick on an RT and that he couldn't play LT.

I wasn't sad for the pick at all, but I was shitting a brick that we had to start a rookie at LT. I also think Beatty is a ton better than what many give him credit for. That said, Flowers is already a stud, and with a higher ceiling. Moving him out of that LT spot would be nuts. I'd be happy with Beatty on the right side now, even though I think Newhouse is doing a decent job. I wouldn't make the switch right away though anyway, unless Beatty is looking like an animal when he gets back into practice.

I'm thinking if we put Beatty back at LT he will slow down Flowers progress

Get a mention? 20 year old that could be our RT of the future. This is his redshirt yearIMO

he should go there. To my untrained eyes, Flowers playing with a bad ankle is doing better than Beatty had played in years, if not ever.

If Flowers is better at protecting Eli's blindside, this is no choice at all - keep him there. If Beatty can play on another spot better than anyone else, put him there.

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In comment 12526632 No Where Man said: Quote: he won't be on the team next year. No more scholarships, and so far Newhouse has done a respectable job. Going forward, when we're looking for an OL, finesse players need not apply. Excuse me, Beatty's been on scholarship? He was our best OL last year, get a clue.

That's like praising the lead singer of Silverchair for being the best guy in the band.

That's a lot more than you can say for Newhouse career. Look no one gets handed a job but if/when Beatty is ready he's a better player than the alternatives right now. Hart could be the future at RT or not but he isn't ready. The idea is to get the five best guys in the best configuration possible on the field as soon as possible. Only the coaches can make that determination.