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Pierre-Paul's injuries resulted in the amputation of his index finger and portions of his thumb and middle finger. The source said the damage to the middle finger is more extensive than previously thought, although the Giants think it wouldn't prevent Pierre-Paul from being able to play as long as skin grafts used to repair his hand and fingers are strong enough. Latest Giants stories "If he gets back for four games, that would be good," the source said. "If it's more, that would be a bonus." The source added, however, that the team remains realistic about the possibility that a return might not happen this year if further healing doesn't take place. "It's still possible he doesn't come back [this year],'' the source said. |
In one case a team traded a 2017 pick, Dallas right?
What about the pash rusher on Chicago, Young? Would you give a 6th rd pick?
Who do you suggest (or is worthy) spending 4 million on?
A street free agent?
If I had to guess he gets activated after the bye week, gets six weeks pay and plays four games.
The Giants save ~10M, and get a decent sample size to judge what to do with the player next year.
Now, if we are totally out of it then ok lets see if he can still play at the end of a meaningless season.
Oh he might be back. Might not be back. In other words we don't know shit.
Now, if we are totally out of it then ok lets see if he can still play at the end of a meaningless season.
I'm sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever. How does adding a player to the mix ruin chemistry? If the guy can play he can play. And he's not gonna come in and just glom all the snaps anyway. He would just add talent to a unit. If the guy couldn't play worth a shit I doubt the Giants just roll JPP out there. And on the flip side if the Giants are out of it why waste the money on a player that you didn't want to play crucial minutes to begin with??
He came in for a physical. Is that really considered a workout? Nothing new at all. Regardless of how fucked structurally his hand is, it's the skin grafts that will determine if he can try and play.
Whatever. He will try to say he's ready at some point to collect some $$$ is my guess regardless if he really can or not.
If I am JPP, would I want to risk playing with that hand for 3.6M? If he hurts it while playing, or plays poorly with it, that makes him less attractive the following year, for potential teams to sign him....On the other hand, maybe that 3.6M may be his last hurrah...
How effective would he be just for 4 games, though......How long to get in football shape?
But more importantly, when they examine him, will they have him take that hand, and give some hard side slaps to a wall, and try and do a rope climb? Exactly what is the criteria for that hand to pass, and not get NFI'd?
How effective would he be just for 4 games, though......How long to get in football shape?
But more importantly, when they examine him, will they have him take that hand, and give some hard side slaps to a wall, and try and do a rope climb? Exactly what is the criteria for that hand to pass, and not get NFI'd?
Well, 8 games
4 regular season, 4 playoffs
=)
In one case a team traded a 2017 pick, Dallas right?
What about the pash rusher on Chicago, Young? Would you give a 6th rd pick?
Moore has been really unnoticeable through 4 games. If anything, I think some pressure on his job could light a fire under his ass.
Sure the Giants need to protect themselves and the investment they made in the player but history is on the Giants side to simply say, in the best interest of the player and the team we will just move on and wish him the best going forward. i think almost no one would want to pay over 400,000 a game for a player you have no idea what he can do. To try and come to some contract agreemwnt with the team fighting to gain it's identity would only create unneeded questions and locker room issues.
This is a terrible saga but one that was made by the player and not the team but in the end the team will look like the villain. JPP has done nothing right in this entire process to make himself an asset to this team going forward so cutting the cord is without a doubt the best move at this time. If this issue is not handled soon then the real problems will start and the finger pointing will become a bigger story than the team. Some rules in all sports no one player is bigger than the team and there was a time you where not here and a time you will no longer be here. JPP put himself in the position he is in right now no one else did that no matter how you look at this situation.
Sure the Giants need to protect themselves and the investment they made in the player but history is on the Giants side to simply say, in the best interest of the player and the team we will just move on and wish him the best going forward. i think almost no one would want to pay over 400,000 a game for a player you have no idea what he can do. To try and come to some contract agreemwnt with the team fighting to gain it's identity would only create unneeded questions and locker room issues.
This is a terrible saga but one that was made by the player and not the team but in the end the team will look like the villain. JPP has done nothing right in this entire process to make himself an asset to this team going forward so cutting the cord is without a doubt the best move at this time. If this issue is not handled soon then the real problems will start and the finger pointing will become a bigger story than the team. Some rules in all sports no one player is bigger than the team and there was a time you where not here and a time you will no longer be here. JPP put himself in the position he is in right now no one else did that no matter how you look at this situation.
The team wants JPP to play. If they were going to rescind the tag it would already have happened.
I am hoping we sign Prince long-term as he is a UFA by using the JPP money. I mean, why waste it right?
If Giants in Playoff Hunt, do they really want to dump a DE that is helping the team to add one that may not? It's going to be a tough call, especially if guys are dinged up late in the year.
Doesn't the sum total of all of this really make him almost one-handed?
Doesn't the sum total of all of this really make him almost one-handed?
Dunno. No denying he's going to be diminished, yet the franchise tender remains.
I'd also strongly consider giving a contract to Welker if he showed as well as Coughlin said he did, but that depends on his likeliness of getting a concussion again. I'd be warry of that, and I like the idea of a healthy Welker, not someone who is going to put himself in obvious danger given past history.
For Pass Rush there's a chance Ayers will make a difference in a few weeks , but for TE play the Giants could really use someone experienced who can block and catch.
But he can't TACKLE the passer. Banks made a very interesting critique of it on Sunday's radio broadcast.
This leak - Giants "hopeful" for last 4 games (Dec 14th against Miami)
Basically kicking the checkpoint two months down the road. They haven't lifted the tender, but only because JPP hasn't signed. I'd bet anything if he did sign between now and the Miami game they'd outright NFI him. The only reason he's still on tender is next year - this last leak to me means we're not seeing JPP on the field this year at all.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the information. I assume as a consequence that the Giants will put off the second meeting for quite some time.
One full, and two partial amputations. I feel sorry for him, but I don't think he's playing this year, and I think he's played his last game as a Giant. We shouldn't be so concerned about our pass rush that we become eager to play him. He won't be anywhere near the force he was, at least not this year. His hand is now as you note, to the point where he's almost or effectively one handed. He's also missed all of camp, preseason, and most of the regular season. Does anybody really believe he's just going to come in and provide an instant pass rush? Teams are also going to run right at him. I don't see him as anywhere near as good as our current players, whatever their pass rushing deficiencies.
I'd only even consider taking him back if I thought he could play, and we had loads of injuries at the position. In that regard, I wouldn't be surprised to see him file a grievance against the Giants if they conclude he can't play, and he and his people think that he can. As you said, what a mess.
Havent followed the recent JPP discussion much, but I assumed the "report in 2 weeks" think was just him reporting with enough time to be rostered for 10 games. Isnt that the normal deadline when a guy doesnt sign his franchise tender? Sign w/ 10 games to go or you get screwed the next season too?
I am reflexively pro-player in these disputes, but the lack of humility on JPP's part after blowing off part of his hand has been remarkable. Since day 1, it has been about how he gets paid the most.
JPP is NOT going to sign the tender with intention of filing a grievance until he has a very good chance of winning. IF he has a good chance of winning, it means he's healed, and the Giants would bring him back with open arms.
He's not likely to be worth it, but offering him 4 games of salary is probably the Giants way of saying thanks for the memories, as well as an incentive to not try signing before both sides are ready for him to sign.
I wouldn't pay him a dime to play in 2015 (I probably wouldn't want to pay him franchise money in 2016 either). If he sues and we're forced to drop the tag, so be it. We have 14 million extra to play with in free agency next year. We'll make better use of that money.
You have all offseason to figure out what to do after that.
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"According to NFL policy, a free agent can work out for a team twice before agreeing to a contract, meaning that the Giants could have one more meeting with Pierre-Paul before determining a course of action. The team prefers to wait until Pierre-Paul is closer to being able to play before meeting with him for a second time."
[AcidTest]I didn't know that. Thanks for the information. I assume as a consequence that the Giants will put off the second meeting for quite some time....
Acid and Eric, seems to me that JPP does not qualify as a FA within the meaning of that limitation. He continues to be subject to the FT, so he is not, strictly speaking, a FA: no other team can sign him unless and until the FT is lifted, at which time he would become a FA and, imo, then be subject to the two-meeting rule.
But that's just me attempting to read the provision to make sense of the applicable set-up between JPP and the Giants.
Wow, and with the damage done to the hand, a signing of one kind or another becomes more of a long-shot: one total and parts of two other digits amputated + the skin grafts; tread very lightly here.
If you want a better chance at 2015, trade for Bennett and pay his $5 mil salary instead of paying the same or more for JPP.
Personally, I'd save the money and use it in the offseason.
Even if JPP is extremely limited, and comes in just as pass rushing specialist, that could be a big factor. Right now the front four cant generate any pressure, and Spags' blitzes arent getting home much either.
Of course all that could change as the season progresses, but you still "cant have enough pass rushers".
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a team source refuting the recent report that JPP would report in two weeks.
Havent followed the recent JPP discussion much, but I assumed the "report in 2 weeks" think was just him reporting with enough time to be rostered for 10 games. Isnt that the normal deadline when a guy doesnt sign his franchise tender? Sign w/ 10 games to go or you get screwed the next season too?
I am reflexively pro-player in these disputes, but the lack of humility on JPP's part after blowing off part of his hand has been remarkable. Since day 1, it has been about how he gets paid the most.
Deej, I believe you are correct on that front and that's the position the agent will take as well, thus the leak he probably floated last week, insinuating JPP would report and be ready to hit the field in two weeks. His ultimate goal is to extract maximum dollar of what's remaining of the tender.
What I'd heard is both sides agreed JPP would re-report in six weeks from the prior exam at the beginning of Sept, and he would be medically re-evaluated, with no promises from NYG as to whether he'd be cleared to begin practicing, etc. The org is reportedly split with many believing he's done for 2015, and many believing he might be able to contribute during the second half of the season.
I expect to hear an update after he's examined again, presumably early next week.
This leak - Giants "hopeful" for last 4 games (Dec 14th against Miami)
Basically kicking the checkpoint two months down the road. They haven't lifted the tender, but only because JPP hasn't signed. I'd bet anything if he did sign between now and the Miami game they'd outright NFI him. The only reason he's still on tender is next year - this last leak to me means we're not seeing JPP on the field this year at all.
That could just be the 2 sides sending each other messages, feeling out each other.
All of this chatter wont matter if/when it makes sense for both sides.
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So if part of the thumb is gone too, doesn't that completely mess up "grip strength"?
Doesn't the sum total of all of this really make him almost one-handed?
Dunno. No denying he's going to be diminished, yet the franchise tender remains.
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The Giants have a pretty weak pass rush. And, it's weak even when they send extra people. To date, that's an indisputable fact. Hopefully, it'll get better as the year goes on. And, some of the better pass rushers. don't play the run. JPP, even when he didn't play well the past few years, would still be an upgrade over any of the DEs we currently have. Now, none of us know how he'll perform when he does get here. So, why do people act like they have a clue. At this point, let's just wait and see how it works itself out.
It could't have happened at a worse time I really
and Still think we can make some serious noise this
year and JPP Really put Himself the Giants in a Bad situation . We Won't know Jack until he Plays a game or Two
we can Only hope that he Plays well and if he doesn't
Then we should have plenty of Cap Space to replace him .