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How dangerous are the San Francisco 49ers?

I Love Clams Casino : 10/6/2015 8:56 am
I suppose "any given Sunday" as a response would be bandied about, but besides that. I know San Francisco lost some guys (Gore) and that stellar linebacker who retired outta nowhere.

Anybody familiar with the team?

What's happened there?

Should this game be considered a "gimmie" for the Giants?

Thoughts appreciated -
when the hell was the last time any game was a "gimmie" for the Giants  
Jints in Carolina : 10/6/2015 8:57 am : link
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RE: when the hell was the last time any game was a  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/6/2015 9:01 am : link
In comment 12529213 Jints in Carolina said:
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Lonnnnng time, but the spread for this one confirms it.
they  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2015 9:04 am : link
gave the Packers a fight. That game was close for a long time.
It wasn't just Borland  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 9:05 am : link
Patrick Willis retired, RT Anthony Davis retired (for this year, anyway), Justin Smith retired, Aldon Smith is gone, Mike Iupati is gone, Michael Crabtree is gone, Vernon Davis is injured. They're nowhere near the team they had been for the past several seasons.

Gore is actually the departure that hurts the least because Carlos Hyde is a capable RB. Anyway, any given Sunday yada yada yada - this is a game the Giants absolutely should win. The Niners are a bad football team.
There are NO "gimmies" for the Giants.  
Victor in CT : 10/6/2015 9:10 am : link
They are not that good.
frustrated football team  
area junc : 10/6/2015 9:10 am : link
3 straight losses. Tomsula fielding questions about benching Kap, team confidence and whether this is already a rebuilding year after game.

Kap is taking the heat as usual. but they have a horrid Offensive Line. their line looks like ours after we lost our horses. 6 sacks allowed last week. 21 combined yards by RBs.

D is still solid but does not have top shelf talent. Smith's are gone. Fangio's gone. best player is FS Eric Reid who heads best S group in the NFL. Solid kicking game.

all in all, this is a fragile team that will quit early after a cross country fight. start fast and get them pointing fingers
SF's defense kept them in the Packer game  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 9:11 am : link
But their offense was useless, held under 200 yards for the second straight week. The Packers struggled in the red zone, missed a field goal, and the Niners' punter had a helluva game. He pinned the Packers deep in their own territory multiple times with some really booming punts. GB's punter shanked at least one, too, so punting really gave SF a field position advantage.

Their offense is godawful. The Giants have stopped every running game so I expect that to continue, and without Vernon Davis they have no receivers who can hurt you.
Never thought we  
TMS : 10/6/2015 9:15 am : link
would be a 7 point favorite this year, but here we are. They seem to be in free fall. But we were that big an underdog last week against the Bills and look what happened.
I think Carlos Hyde is due for a big game  
steve in ky : 10/6/2015 9:15 am : link
I kind of hope the Giants start out with 8 in the box so as not to allow him to get going early in the game and force Kaepernick to prove he can hit some receivers on the outside.
As long as the defense  
gmen9892 : 10/6/2015 9:18 am : link
Keeps doing what it has done the past 2 weeks with stopping the run, I think the Giants win this game pretty easily.

Kap and Hyde can still beat you though. Cannot overlook the 49ers with 2 huge division games coming up. That, and the way this team usually plays on Sunday/Monday night games makes me weary of this game. With what the 49ers defense did to Eli last year at home, the team NEEDS to remain focused and get over .500 against a weaker opponent.
Kaepernick is playing like trash  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 9:20 am : link
vernon davis is a shell of himself. they're a rebuilding team we should roll over if the offense doesn't spin it's wheels.
the Giants aren't going to run away with this one  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 9:21 am : link
The Niner defense isn't the monster it once was, but it's still capable. Don't give them freebies with turnovers.
Definitely not a gimme game...  
bradshaw44 : 10/6/2015 9:22 am : link
But if we come out and put a whoopin on them and do it convincingly then I will really begin to believe we have a shot.
Traveling across country  
chiro56 : 10/6/2015 9:22 am : link
adds to the difficulty for the Niners.Long flights may to Tomsula's gas problems.
They are hit or miss  
Sy'56 : 10/6/2015 9:22 am : link
90% miss, 10% hit.

They will finish as one of the worst 3 teams in the league but there is gamebreaking talent on both sides. I wouldn't want WR Torrey Smith anywhere near my team but he can still knife through a secondary and get the deep ball as fast as any WR in the game. Kaepernick still has a hell of an arm power wise and he can run faster than some RBs. Chances are they will be terrible but there is still ability on this team. Nothing like what we have seen out of some of the worst teams in recent years. There is defensive talent in their front seven as well and S Eric Reid can start on most teams.

If NYG can play to their average level, they win by 8+. But we know that isn't always how it works.
There are no gimmie games in the NFL  
Emil : 10/6/2015 9:26 am : link
regardless of what the spread says.

The Giants can't overlook anyone, and I don't think they will. This team has the right mentality.
49ers are a train wreck  
George : 10/6/2015 9:27 am : link
They rose up against Green Bay, but were a human dumpster fire against both Pittsburgh and Arizona the two previous weeks.

I'm guessing their showing against the Packers was due both to home field advantage and a sense of desperation in the locker room. Neither will be a factor this weekend.

Carlos Hyde is a beast, though, and CK can still beat you with his feet. Clog the middle and keep the QB in the pocket all afternoon and good things will happen.
If we play the game we're capable of playing, we'll win no doubt  
Bramton1 : 10/6/2015 9:29 am : link
If we play stupid, no guarantees.

Like someone said, there are no gimmes with the Giants.
seems like just yesterday  
natefit : 10/6/2015 9:29 am : link
I was watching Kap do Beats ads. Its amazing in the modern NFL how fast a top team can fall apart.
I hate the term trap game and  
rebel yell : 10/6/2015 9:29 am : link
won't use it. We simply need to continue our hard work and preparation. If we overlook them or underestimate them, we will lose. Kap is a cornered animal with nothing to lose. They will put up a fight. It's a game we should win, but we've had many of those in the past and the opposite has happened.
The Giants will bottle up the SF run game and force Colin  
SGMen : 10/6/2015 9:31 am : link
K. to try and beat them but he can't. They just don't have the personnel anymore to mount consistent drives.

Their defense will play pretty well so Eli must be sharp like he has been to date.
"Gimme" and Giants in the same sentence...  
silverfox : 10/6/2015 9:47 am : link
...is quite laughable. You'd have to go back to the Parcells/LT days to even come close to a dominant enough team to have things called gimme games on their schedule.

The giants can just as easily lose (as win) the rest of their games. Stats or logic have never been meaningful entities when this team.
Does our  
lester : 10/6/2015 9:56 am : link
pass rush get going this week?
Few concerns but mostly good outlook  
USAF NYG Fan : 10/6/2015 9:59 am : link
Concerns:
1. They lost 3 straight and need a win. They played GB hard but still fell short. Do they still want to fight to win or have any of them given up?

2. Will the Giants stay hungry? We should. It's too early for our team to start relaxing. We need to keep putting up wins before Romo and Dez return. It's our chance to take the division lead right now.

3. Last year Eli threw 5 picks against them. It was 5 wasn't it?

Good outlook:
1. It's at home and they have a long way to travel to face us.

2. Finally a team to run against (IMHO). Average rushing against them; Vikings = 4.2 yards, Steelers = 3.6 yards, Arizona = 3.6 yards, Packers = 4.9 yards. Plus I hoping they focus on defending the pass more.

3. As others have mentioned, their defense is still stout but their offense is non-existent. We should be able to hold them to nothing.

4. I believe the Giants are still very hungry and improve every week. Arrow still pointed up. Still healthy (no new injuries). They certainly appear to be learning Spags defense. Beason will likely get more snaps that Sunday. Double OO will get more time so he can catch up.
The Giants' problem hasn't been trap games.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/6/2015 10:01 am : link
Their problem is that the last playoff team they beat was Green Bay (who limped in at 8-7-1), with Scott Tolzien at QB. Sunday's win over Buffalo was their first moderately significant upset since at least 2012.

The 49ers are a bad team. As others have said, though, they do have some weapons. And putting 2,500 miles between Colin Kaepernick and the lynch mob back home might be just what he needs. As awful as he has been, CK is still the best athlete on the field when San Francisco has the ball (with Torrey Smith a likely #2). And the Giants are likely to face him without their best linebacker.

This game is a nice opportunity for Steve Spagnuolo to continue rebuilding his reputation, because the 49ers are a team that can be taken apart with a good defensive gameplan. It's no secret what they do well, and what they don't. The Giants will probably attack the right side of the offensive line. Pears and Devey have been awful, and any reshuffle will involve throwing green linemen into the fire. Weakness there goes a long way toward neutralizing Kaepernick, who has made a lot of plays over the years moving to his right.
I really hate games like this......  
Simms11 : 10/6/2015 10:07 am : link
where we know the Giants should come out and dominate from the first snap, but these type of games always have done us in, in the past and we let teams hang around and have the ability to pull it out at the end. This team needs to come out on fire, on National TV, and show the country that we are the better team.

Specials have to be good again also with no break-downs in coverage. Would also like to see Harris take one to the house.

The Niners still have a few horses that can make our day miserable and so we cannot afford to take any team for granted. Just take care of business and stay away from errors and sloppy play. Lastly, it would be nice to have the ability to feed off the home crowd too. Crowd needs to make their presence felt for once.
Turnovers will most likely be key to outcome of this one  
micky : 10/6/2015 10:14 am : link
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As close to a gimme game as there is in the NFL  
MetsAreBack : 10/6/2015 10:17 am : link
this is one of the worst teams in the league, travelling across the country to play us.

If the spread is only 7 i would take the Giants and i'm conservative on this stuff. I think we wallop them.

Kaepernick is taking a beating in the media and some of it is merited - he's not a good QB. But i'm not sure how many QBs in the league would survive behind that OL. What was once a strength during the Harbaugh era, that OL is now maybe the worst in football.
Tomasula farts..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2015 10:17 am : link
last week. This week he'll shit his pants....
CK is capable of having a few 'off the charts' games with  
Big Blue '56 : 10/6/2015 10:21 am : link
both his legs and arm..Here's hoping this isn't one of them..
trap game in the making if you have a short memory  
mattlawson : 10/6/2015 10:21 am : link
but beating them twice at home, once in 2011 and the other blowout in 2012 should have them fired up to beat us.
RE: trap game in the making if you have a short memory  
Simms11 : 10/6/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12529431 mattlawson said:
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but beating them twice at home, once in 2011 and the other blowout in 2012 should have them fired up to beat us.


They beat us at home last year! Remember teh 5 INT game by Eli? Same team and hopefully Eli is prepared this time.
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2015 10:32 am : link
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Same team and hopefully Eli is prepared this time.


You mean minus Borland who retired, Willis and Justin Smith who retired. Aldon smith who is gone.

Same team??

Same uniforms maybe.
the Giants aren't the same team as last year  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 10:34 am : link
and neither are the Niners
The Giants will win  
armstead98 : 10/6/2015 10:43 am : link
People are pointing to the Packers game as evidence that the 49ers aren't atrocious. They lost by 2 TDs and didn't threaten at all on offense. The only reason it wasn't an even bigger blowout is because the Packers missed some opportunities on offense. Also keep in mind that the Packers had to travel to the west coast after a Monday night game.

This is a good Giants team playing at home against a terrible 49ers team that has to fly across the country. The Giants will win.

Will the Giants win by 30+ points and will the game never be close? Likely not. Will there be mistakes that negative nancies jump on and find reasons to bitch about after the game? Of course.

But the Giants will take care of business and move to 3 and 2.
RE: trap game in the making if you have a short memory  
MetsAreBack : 10/6/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12529431 mattlawson said:
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but beating them twice at home, once in 2011 and the other blowout in 2012 should have them fired up to beat us.



LOL, i can only assume you are superstitious. Yeah... memories of 2011 and 2012 are permeating that SF locker room this week - talk about motivation!!
i would add  
area junc : 10/6/2015 10:49 am : link
for me personally, this is where having Spags over Fewell gives me great comfort. w/Fewell, no matter how bad the opposing offense we were facing there was always a good chance they would rip us a new a-hole. i simply do not have that concern w/spags - we may lose, but I am confident we'll be ready.
With a better quarterback  
ghost718 : 10/6/2015 10:49 am : link
They would probably have enough to beat us.Even with Boldin running at the speed of a power walker.
RE: What??  
Simms11 : 10/6/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12529453 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Same team and hopefully Eli is prepared this time.



You mean minus Borland who retired, Willis and Justin Smith who retired. Aldon smith who is gone.

Same team??

Same uniforms maybe.


True that they've lost some players, however, they still have a fairly decent defense and their safeties are good.
They don't call it the Not For Long league for nothing.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/6/2015 10:51 am : link
Check out the box score of the Giants' last win over the Niners. Two starters remain for the Giants: Manning and Amukamara (plus Jayron Hosley is back to being the #3 corner, after several periods of exile). The 49ers have slightly more holdovers, but the coaching staff is gone, Kaepernick has risen and fallen after replacing Alex Smith, and they are a completely different team.
A little under three years ago... - ( New Window )
Point was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2015 10:51 am : link
they aren't the same team. They have something like 6 new starters on D.
RE: the Giants aren't the same team as last year  
Randy in CT : 10/6/2015 10:55 am : link
In comment 12529458 Greg from LI said:
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and neither are the Niners
The difference is that I think we're better than we were last year. Worse loss for us was JPP.
Their fans are certainly dangerous.  
Mad Mike : 10/6/2015 11:00 am : link
Watch your back in the bathroom and parking lot.
Kap is trying to transition to a pocket passer  
Vanzetti : 10/6/2015 11:58 am : link
And the transition has been rough. That's one reason they have played so poorly on offense. He is not going to beat you by throwing 4 TDs. But if the game is close, he can definitely still beat you with his legs.

Against GB, he left a lot of plays on the field. Guys were wide open for TDs on two occasions. Once he threw into the ground and once he ran for a ten yard gain. Make those throws and its 17-17.

About as dangerous as the bills  
BH28 : 10/6/2015 11:59 am : link
It's a team you have to beat.
This, from the Bleacher Report:  
George : 10/6/2015 12:38 pm : link
The 49ers are like the Bills without talent or hope.
I would worry  
mdc1 : 10/6/2015 12:42 pm : link
about a team that has been kicked around by its owner, fans, and media. They may come out pissed off and ready to play for real. I worry about this game.
CK is a disaster so comments above about stopping  
Jimmy Googs : 10/6/2015 4:34 pm : link
the run make perfect sense. Hyde is good so last thing you want to do is given them any early momentum and confidence.

Crash down on Hyde, force KP to actually pass and cause some turnovers when he does. IF we put up 20 points, I like our chances.

The bigger fear is our poor Sunday Night Football record. I think Al Michaels has our number...
KAP  
Jimmy Googs : 10/6/2015 4:37 pm : link
not KP
It's all about stopping their ground game  
Torrag : 10/6/2015 4:38 pm : link
Which we've been very stout doing so far. Bromley over Kuhn is developing into a major upgrade at DT. They are a good matchup for us and we're going to win by more than a TD.
No team is a pushover  
D_Giants : 10/6/2015 8:31 pm : link
As others have noted, the Bills found this out the hard way. The 49ers and Giants do not like each other. Ben McAdoo's offensive scheming and play-calling is not overwhelming anyone. Many opportunities have been set up by the defense. If the 49ers get one or two TDs, the Giants will struggle to win.
We lose  
Joey in VA : 10/6/2015 8:37 pm : link
Or win by 30. The 49ers are ready to rise or implode.
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