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Bills: Beckham Jr. threw multiple punches, is a 'prima donna

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2015 1:19 pm
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Bills players: WR Odell Beckham Jr. threw multiple punches, is a 'prima donna' - ( New Window )
Nooooooo.....  
Curtis in VA : 10/6/2015 1:19 pm : link
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Love me some OBJ  
dep026 : 10/6/2015 1:20 pm : link
but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.

He was not very good against Buffalo.
Sy was spot on  
widmerseyebrow : 10/6/2015 1:21 pm : link
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WAH  
Randy in CT : 10/6/2015 1:21 pm : link
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So the Bills were punched by a Prima  
Gmen703 : 10/6/2015 1:21 pm : link
Donna? Sounds like a tough bunch.
Anybody see him fly in and try to block for Jennings?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 1:21 pm : link
Call that a prima donna.
Well..  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/6/2015 1:21 pm : link
At least it's an unbiased article giving equal weight to both sides. Open and shut case I'd say.
Sounds Like A Rex Ryan Team  
Trainmaster : 10/6/2015 1:22 pm : link
Sour grapes.
Or  
Trainmaster : 10/6/2015 1:22 pm : link



Bummer.


Bills players said lots of our players threw punches...  
Tesla : 10/6/2015 1:24 pm : link
How the hell would we all miss that while watching the game? Sounds like a lot of making excuses for all their penalties.
Bills players following the lead of their Coach  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:24 pm : link
and making excuses for their 17 penalties and all of their unsportsmanlike penalties...

Oh boo hoo the Giants players were talking trash, oh boo hoo Beckham said mean things to me...grow the fuck up
The bigger picture  
widmerseyebrow : 10/6/2015 1:25 pm : link
is that his antics are creating a growing list of dudes that want to knock his block off legally or illegally. Love the guy, but he can be just as effective without the after the whistle nonsense.
lol typical Rex Ryan team  
Vin R : 10/6/2015 1:25 pm : link
"He’s not Sammy Watkins. He has good hands, he can catch. He’s good but he’s not what people think after that one catch.”
Who is Stephon Gilmore?  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 1:25 pm : link
Happy's cousin?
Didnt preston brown  
KWhite2250 : 10/6/2015 1:25 pm : link
Step on eli after another guy fell on top of him after he went down and gave himself up on the play? Im glad someone took a swing at him, he deserved it.
Hmmm...  
BillT : 10/6/2015 1:25 pm : link
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"His world is based on hype and that one catch," Gilmore said. "Everybody sees that, everybody knows him for that and people don’t really look at the film and watch him and really don’t know what type of player he is."


I'm not defending any cheap shots by OBJ but he just broke the NFL record for catches/yards(?) for the first 16 games of a career. That's a bit more than "hype and that one catch".
Some of you are a real trip.  
Curtis in VA : 10/6/2015 1:26 pm : link
If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.

I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
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RicFlair : 10/6/2015 1:26 pm : link
Rex  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/6/2015 1:26 pm : link
Ryan is as unprofessional as they come. Talks a big game, loses frequently, makes excuses...It's rubbing off already.
RE: Anybody see him fly in and try to block for Jennings?  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12530015 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Call that a prima donna.


Some knucklehead on BBI intimated that that play warranted retaliation from the Bills. As if blocking downfield is now some sort of no-no. Weird people blabbering about nonsense lately.
People in glass houses...  
jcn56 : 10/6/2015 1:27 pm : link
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It is a concern  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/6/2015 1:27 pm : link
You don't see Calvin Johnson carrying on like that. In general, I'm not a fan show boating or some of the crap we see from Beckham. If he wasn't a Giant, I would probably despise him.
We've all seen that he can be childish...  
Jan in DC : 10/6/2015 1:27 pm : link
and he loves to talk, but come on there Bills players. Saying he's just ok? That he got his fame from one catch? That's just some sour grapes.

I didn't see any punches thrown when I watched the game.
RE: Some of you are a real trip.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 1:28 pm : link
In comment 12530039 Curtis in VA said:
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If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.

I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.


I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.
and i just have to laugh  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:28 pm : link
Watkins is a better player than Beckham?? Beckham has only had 1 play and that is why he has hype? seriously??

Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games

Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games

Who is the better receiver??
So it was Beckham's fault the Bills got 14 penalties  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2015 1:29 pm : link
versus the Patriots?

The Bills got 4 personal fouls/unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in that game. Stop blaming other people for your stupidity.
RE: RE: Some of you are a real trip.  
Curtis in VA : 10/6/2015 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12530052 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.

I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.



I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.


And I'm not saying that it being replayed is a bad thing. Just to stay humble.
I hate to say it but someone  
Rory : 10/6/2015 1:29 pm : link
is going to take him out one day.

He's already marked by a few teams.

Throwing  
Jon in NYC : 10/6/2015 1:30 pm : link
punches doesn't correlate to being a prima donna. It actually seems like the opposite.
I hope he grows out of this  
averagejoe : 10/6/2015 1:30 pm : link
and focuses a little more on making the plays that really hurt. With his talent his play should do all the talking. The refs hear the trash talking too and will give the DB's the benefit of the doubt on some calls with OBJ.
RE: and i just have to laugh  
dep026 : 10/6/2015 1:31 pm : link
In comment 12530053 nygiants16 said:
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Watkins is a better player than Beckham?? Beckham has only had 1 play and that is why he has hype? seriously??

Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games

Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games

Who is the better receiver??


Not saying you are wrong, but one guy had Eli throwing to him the other had Kyle Orton. Watkins is a damn good WR and would be putting up numbers with the Giants too.
RE: I hope he grows out of this  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12530066 averagejoe said:
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and focuses a little more on making the plays that really hurt. With his talent his play should do all the talking. The refs hear the trash talking too and will give the DB's the benefit of the doubt on some calls with OBJ.


Trash talking happens in every game, on every play in the NFL...

have you see Aaron Rodgers play? he talks to every player that gets into his face, you think he is telling them to have a nice day??
RE: I hate to say it but someone  
rptl530 : 10/6/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12530059 Rory said:
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is going to take him out one day.

He's already marked by a few teams.


St. Louis didn't even try and hide it.
Does anyone actually have a GIF or video of this?  
BillKo : 10/6/2015 1:32 pm : link
I know Sy started a thread about it, but now we are hearing OBJ does it a lot?

I watch/go to the games, I haven't seen anything.....I'd like to see it.

Is it a punch/jab, or push. Huge difference.
I love Odell  
bceagle05 : 10/6/2015 1:32 pm : link
but it's not like this is the first time opposing players have bitched about his antics. I've never heard defensive players take those types of (verbal) shots at Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, etc. He's got some growing up to do.
RE: RE: and i just have to laugh  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:33 pm : link
In comment 12530067 dep026 said:
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Watkins is a better player than Beckham?? Beckham has only had 1 play and that is why he has hype? seriously??

Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games

Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games

Who is the better receiver??



Not saying you are wrong, but one guy had Eli throwing to him the other had Kyle Orton. Watkins is a damn good WR and would be putting up numbers with the Giants too.


I am not saying Watkins is a bad receiver but right now Beckham is hands down the better receiver..

and saying all he has done is 1 play is stupid...

OBJ has thrown jabs at players after plays  
Simms11 : 10/6/2015 1:33 pm : link
are over. he's got to start concentrating on his job and work harder at getting open and catching whats thrown to him. He probably should have had the TD he had two hands on in the endzone too; difficult catch with defender on you, but one a player of his caliber has to make. He's still growing as a receiver though and that has to be taken into account also. Guy is just 22 years old, I think. He'll mature and get better as a receiver, no doubt in my mind, but he does have to stop the extra curricular activity otherwise he'll get flagged too.
RE: RE: RE: Some of you are a real trip.  
Rory : 10/6/2015 1:33 pm : link
In comment 12530058 Curtis in VA said:
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If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.

I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.



I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.



And I'm not saying that it being replayed is a bad thing. Just to stay humble.


This is where a Veteran like Cruz or Eli need to take control and tell him to cool it.
Calvin Johnson and Fitz are quiet, understated guys  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 1:34 pm : link
you don't grow to be that. You either are that, or you are not. Beckham plays the game angry, and that's why he's good.
RE: Some of you are a real trip.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/6/2015 1:34 pm : link
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I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.


You don't?

Why is it that Brown acting like a huge asshole was ok? Meanwhile they are complaining about Beckham doing things that nobody else saw.

Beckham has a target on his back because he is good, and has gotten a lot of media attention. Combine that with the facts they the Giants just beat them, and they are coached by Rex Ryan and you get a lot of sour grapes and trash talk.
It really is jealousy  
moespree : 10/6/2015 1:36 pm : link
That's it. Is Beckham is the first and only guy to ever talk trash on the field? Is Beckham the one who keeps showing his highlights on the networks? And is Beckham at fault for getting sponsor deals and more money than those complaining about him? Almost every player on the field, and I'd guarantee basically every player on the Bills talks trash, gets in your face, says nasty things, and throws punches and shoves and slaps. But Beckham is a "prima donna"? Sure. Always find it fascinating how the players labeled as being a "prima donna" by other players in all major sports are usually the most successful ones. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. It's jealousy and always has been in sports.
Like his daddy Buddy Ryan  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 1:36 pm : link
the dick apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Fuck Buddy Ryan, fuck Rex Ryan, keep it up OBJ
There was nothing wrong with the block on the TD  
KWALL2 : 10/6/2015 1:37 pm : link
However, if he plays like that don't cry like a bitch when somebody plays you aggressively (or blocks you on a pick). Beckham get bent out of shape when guys get physical with him. We have seen it often. And now he throws a punch after a block and runs off and hides behind others.

Gilmore? He's a damn good player who makes some pretty good points about Beckham.
Here's a vine of OBJ throwing a punch  
BlackLight : 10/6/2015 1:37 pm : link
I gotta say, the Bills have a point here. I really hope Beckham chills out. He's going to get kicked out of a game if he doesn't, and I don't want to have to root for an asshole WR like I'm an Eagles, Cowboys, or Redskins fan.
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RE: It really is jealousy  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12530099 moespree said:
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That's it. Is Beckham is the first and only guy to ever talk trash on the field? Is Beckham the one who keeps showing his highlights on the networks? And is Beckham at fault for getting sponsor deals and more money than those complaining about him? Almost every player on the field, and I'd guarantee basically every player on the Bills talks trash, gets in your face, says nasty things, and throws punches and shoves and slaps. But Beckham is a "prima donna"? Sure. Always find it fascinating how the players labeled as being a "prima donna" by other players in all major sports are usually the most successful ones. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. It's jealousy and always has been in sports.


Bills have to find an excuse from somewhere so they do not look like a dirty team...

This is there way of deflecting the blame and putting on someone else...

Players after the game even said they were embarrassed by their performance and the penalties, so they have to find a reason for it...
Did anyone else get the  
Rory : 10/6/2015 1:40 pm : link
notion that Eli was upset with Beckham throughout the game?

He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.

It may be sour grapes by the Bills  
Matt M. : 10/6/2015 1:40 pm : link
But, it is also something worth addressing by the coaching staff. This is not the first game in which he has had some aggressive after the play activity. Some of it has been relatively harmless, and some was lucky not to get flagged. He is a tremendous talent. It would be a shame if he starts to overshadow that with questionable acts on the field.

The one thing this complaint may accomplish is put OBJ under a microscope by officials. He needs to cut the shit.
You know what  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 1:40 pm : link
that's knucklehead. If he breaks his hand on a helmet the team is screwed.

Fine, I'll take the loss on this one.
RE: Did anyone else get the  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12530126 Rory said:
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notion that Eli was upset with Beckham throughout the game?

He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.


Eli targeted Beckham 12 times most of any WR...

but they definitely were not on the same page, a number of times Eli threw a back shoulder when Beckham just kept going...
Same group of people here  
Randy in CT : 10/6/2015 1:41 pm : link
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.

Therapy is in order.
RE: Love me some OBJ  
Victor in CT : 10/6/2015 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12530005 dep026 said:
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but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.

He was not very good against Buffalo.


Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
and after seeing that Vine  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:42 pm : link
Beckham is idiot, just let it go and go to the sidelines...
I'm not saying ODB is a choirboy... he definitely punched that guy.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/6/2015 1:42 pm : link
I just don't want to hear excuses and bullshit from a team that got 3 personal fouls and an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty 2 weeks ago.
RE: RE: Love me some OBJ  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:44 pm : link
In comment 12530139 Victor in CT said:
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but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.

He was not very good against Buffalo.



Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.


So basically you want him to be a robot?

You want no emotion and just play?
The punch is idiotic  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:45 pm : link
but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...

The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..

Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
RE: RE: RE: Love me some OBJ  
BlackLight : 10/6/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12530149 nygiants16 said:
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but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.

He was not very good against Buffalo.



Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.



So basically you want him to be a robot?

You want no emotion and just play?


How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?

Would we all be happy with that?
RE: I'm not saying ODB is a choirboy... he definitely punched that guy.  
Randy in CT : 10/6/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12530144 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I just don't want to hear excuses and bullshit from a team that got 3 personal fouls and an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty 2 weeks ago.
I'd go that far. You have to ask if you see it every week or mostly against a team like the Bills who lead the league with personal fouls?

He's also probably prepared in his head that someone is looking to take him out--like St Louis last year.

But alas, as I said, some fans just enjoy knocking Giant players. Apparently more so than wins sometimes LOLorlro
Sy  
AcidTest : 10/6/2015 1:47 pm : link
was right. He needs to eliminate the excess. He's being targeted because of his behavior, not his talent.
He can't be something he's not  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 1:47 pm : link
Some guys play through emotion. For every Eli Manning there's a Michael Strahan who liked to talk and flex his bicep after sacks when he won his battles.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Love me some OBJ  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:48 pm : link
In comment 12530157 BlackLight said:
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How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?

Would we all be happy with that?


Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??

So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??

It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...

But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??

If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
RE: The punch is idiotic  
Curtis in VA : 10/6/2015 1:48 pm : link
In comment 12530156 nygiants16 said:
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but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...

The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..

Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??


Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
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Toth029 : 10/6/2015 1:49 pm : link
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RE: Same group of people here  
Rory : 10/6/2015 1:49 pm : link
In comment 12530137 Randy in CT said:
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who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.

Therapy is in order.


wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?

Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
RE: Same group of people here  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/6/2015 1:49 pm : link

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who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.

Therapy is in order.


The constant negativity of many fans drives me nuts, but that subject could easily derail this thread.
RE: He can't be something he's not  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:50 pm : link
In comment 12530164 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Some guys play through emotion. For every Eli Manning there's a Michael Strahan who liked to talk and flex his bicep after sacks when he won his battles.


I dont understand why people do not get this?

So basically people want a team full of quiet players? no emotion nothing..

Showing emotion is not a bad thing, and if opposing teams get pissed off about it, good...that takes them out of their game and out of position...

Look at the Rams game last year, they were so hellbent on taking Beckham out he torched them..
OBJ has been doing this since he first snap in the league  
ron mexico : 10/6/2015 1:50 pm : link
it just is who he is. Its not something the Bills drew out of him.

And if this is what it takes for him to be the best he can be I have now problem with it.

I also had no problem with DJax antics and even somewhat respected Cortland Finnegan for his gamesmanship so I'm probably an outlier there.

It's also really stupid to punch a guy who has a helmet on.  
SoDev : 10/6/2015 1:50 pm : link
I love him, but if this stupid shit gets him taken out or he breaks his hand doing dumb shit... just no.
Hahaha  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2015 1:51 pm : link
the classic "he did it" BS after the team gets embarrassed on their home field. Out coached, out played, out hustled, and out smarted in front of their own fans, yet all they can talk about is OBJ going after a few guys. Gimme a break.

Yes, OBJ needs to tone it down a bit. But hell, it's about time somebody on this team had a little fire.

17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.
RE: RE: The punch is idiotic  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12530166 Curtis in VA said:
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but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...

The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..

Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??



Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.


Sorry i only saw 1 punch, i am not going to comment on players from a team that had 17 penalties...

If it happened in the Redskins game how come they did not come out and say anything? not one player from the redskins said something...

you dont think cameras would pick up on it?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Love me some OBJ  
BlackLight : 10/6/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12530165 nygiants16 said:
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How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?

Would we all be happy with that?



Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??

So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??

It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...

But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??

If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?


I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
Who even knows if he "punched"  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2015 1:53 pm : link
the guys - honestly. I was at the game, and basically watched Beckham on every single play. He didn't seem to be jawing or in the middle of the action that much. I may have missed a play or two, but didn't look like anything out of the ordinary. Nothing as close as the Rams game last year.
Happy Gilmore's  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 1:55 pm : link
cousin needs to let his play do the talking. Crying to the press after your team just got smoked at home reeks of loser mentality.

OBJ shouldn't be throwing punches. I think only one person on BBI came close to saying that it was ok as long as it gets him fired up. And that was way off.
RE: Hahaha  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/6/2015 1:55 pm : link


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17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.


This. ^

Most of us realize that OBJ isn't a choirboy, but the Bills are clearly deflecting. I'm sure they don't want to talk about all those penalties.
RE: RE: Same group of people here  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12530171 Rory said:
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who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.

Therapy is in order.



wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?

Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.


Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??



He clearly threw a punch  
gmen9892 : 10/6/2015 1:55 pm : link
I am a big OBJ fan, but this guy has me worried. Opposing players are clearly going after him, and he seems to have the mind-set of "bring it on", which will not end up well. He will either get hurt or draw a stupid penalty in a very important game (he has not really been in one yet in the past year and a half). This is where we need a vet to step up and sit this guy down.
If you read the comments by the readers  
Tom in NY : 10/6/2015 1:56 pm : link
they are actually not taking the side of the Bills' players.

Even their own fans can smell the B.S. being spread.

The Bills are a chippy, cheap shot team...just like Ryan's Jets team. And just like all bullies, they don't like it when people punch them back.
Ok after seeing the vine.  
Gmen703 : 10/6/2015 1:57 pm : link
So what! What if Beckham has a lil Steve Smith (Pathers/Ravens and not Giants) in him.

I just hope that he bulks up if he plays that game. I like his nastiness. Was BBI in a frenzy about Jacobs doing all his extra curricular activities on the field (probably not because Jacobs was/is big as shit)?

.  
Go Terps : 10/6/2015 1:57 pm : link
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.

I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.

That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
RE: He clearly threw a punch  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/6/2015 1:57 pm : link

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I am a big OBJ fan, but this guy has me worried. Opposing players are clearly going after him, and he seems to have the mind-set of "bring it on", which will not end up well. He will either get hurt or draw a stupid penalty in a very important game (he has not really been in one yet in the past year and a half). This is where we need a vet to step up and sit this guy down.


It worked in our favor Sunday with those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on a flustered Bills squad.
Jerry Hughes had 5 personal fouls on him this year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 1:58 pm : link
before even going into the game.

The Bills have a history of being mentally soft, and you read yesterday that TC told the team they would self destruct on flags during the week.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Love me some OBJ  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 1:58 pm : link
In comment 12530185 BlackLight said:
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In comment 12530165 nygiants16 said:





I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.


So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...

You dont think they are deflecting blame just a little bit? kind of like their head coach did..

What was their excuse the week before?
He definitely made contact after the interception  
ron mexico : 10/6/2015 1:59 pm : link
can't tell it it was open or closed fist

video below


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nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 2:01 pm : link
In comment 12530209 Go Terps said:
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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.

I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.

That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.


Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?

If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...

I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
I like the fire  
Nick in LA : 10/6/2015 2:01 pm : link
And emotion. This team has lacked that for quite some time.
I'm not saying he didn't throw a punch  
Emil : 10/6/2015 2:01 pm : link
But I will say I watched the whole game and did not see it. If I missed it, please tell me where.

That being said, Stephon Gilmore, who is a good corner, is out of his mind.

"Gilmore, who studies receivers across the NFL, said Beckham is "alright."

“I don’t really watch TV and listen to the hype. I study guys on the film and then I judge him," the corner said. "He’s not Sammy Watkins. He has good hands, he can catch. He’s good but he’s not what people think after that one catch.”

And while the Giants wideout hauled in the catch of the year (decade? century?) last season against Dallas, the Bills are adamant that there's a different side to this star.

"His world is based on hype and that one catch," Gilmore said. "Everybody sees that, everybody knows him for that and people don’t really look at the film and watch him and really don’t know what type of player he is."

Also, if OBJ did throw a punch (which I do not endorse) I highly doubt the Bills are completely blameless in this. They have been drawing penalties left and right all year. OBJ needs to respond to adversity better, but this smacks of a lot of sour grapes.
Some of you are having a hard time differentiating between emotion  
Matt M. : 10/6/2015 2:02 pm : link
and dirty play. Some posters were beginning to point out a potential problem last week. It looks like they weren't far off. The Bills complaining is only going to highlight it.

I'm not a huge fan of showboating, pointing, dancing, etc. But, none of that is the question here. What is in question is the tendency to take it beyond that to the physical level. I think, in most case, it is actually the result of him getting frustrated with physical and mostly chippy play. But, eventually, it is the second guy that gets caught. He showed great restraint in walking away when he drew a penalty last week.

But, there have already been a few instances of him getting a little physical after a play with a shove here and there. I recognize right now he is likely on the receiving end of a lot of physical and chippy play. A lot of it is designed to get him unsettled. If they get him to retaliate, even better, from their perspective. I'm sure this will only lead to more baiting by defenses. He will need to keep his wits about him and let his play do his talking. He certainly is talented enough for that to be enough.
What's  
Arcanum : 10/6/2015 2:02 pm : link
The problem ? It's football people. So what, he threw a couple punches. If I'm playing, and guys are purposely trying to injure me, I'm going to defend myself as well. Odell plays with a competitive chip on his shoulder. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
Comments from bills fans DURING the game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 2:03 pm : link
"Again, the line between "toughness" and a flamboyant jackassery is way too thin for this team."

"Why is Hughes still on the field? Send his ass to the locker room to make a point."

"rex ryan has no control of this team."

"I'm eager to see Rex express empty "This is all on me." platitudes after this shitburger is off the grill."


"The Bills defense was already prone to really stupid, salty shit like this before Ryan trained them to reach a new level"

"I swear, one of these dumbasses is going to shiv a Giant before the clock runs out."

"Normally this the part where I say "GG, Giants fans", but the Bills disgraced themselves today.

So instead, congratulations on having the much better, infinitely more composed team, Giants fans."

"I really hope we bench Hughes and Brown next week. Only way these dumbasses will learn.

Pathetic performance today. Team should be embarrassed."

"I don't know how many more times Hughes, in particular, can keep getting away with this shit. It'd be inexcusable if it was only once, but this feels like the fourth or fifth time he's had a complete manbaby meltdown mid-game."

"While there may have been a few iffy calls/non-calls (which unfortunately happen in literally every game ever), the Bills have earned their reputation for committing dumb penalties by, you know, actually committing an absurd number of unambiguously dumb penalties on a regular basis.

The refs aren't going to give the Bills the benefit of the doubt when a complete lack of discipline is essentially the team's default state of operations."
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Go Terps : 10/6/2015 2:04 pm : link
In comment 12530223 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12530209 Go Terps said:


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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.

I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.

That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.



Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?

If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...

I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)


My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
and again people are taking Bills players word for it  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 2:05 pm : link
if he was doing it against the Redskins, how come not one Redskins player mentioned it??

And you think the Bills players are going to admit what they were doing to instigate it? you think they are going to admit they were talking trash right back to him??

I love this kids  
gmen9892 : 10/6/2015 2:05 pm : link
Fire. We have needed this on offense since Jacobs left. The issue I have is with punching and throwing his helmet down and the fighting. Have passion, but dont cost your team field position or a chance to score. It hasnt come back to hurt the team just yet, but he is dangerously close to that line. Now with this tape out from last game and the Bills players bringing this up, OBJ will be watched closely by the refs.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Randy in CT : 10/6/2015 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12530234 Go Terps said:
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In comment 12530223 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 12530209 Go Terps said:


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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.

I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.

That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.



Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?

If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...

I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)



My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Get off GT's lawn!!!

Look, I've never been a fan of pre-planned celebrations, etc, but I have to say that with OBJ, a once an era player (seemingly), it is easy to get excited and back the guy. If we are results driven, he produces.
Typical Rex and Rex led team  
micky : 10/6/2015 2:06 pm : link
sour grapes. Go suck on a toe
There was an article yesterday  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 2:07 pm : link
saying that the Bills players on the last drive were saying they do not care about the penalties because the game was over anyway, that they had given up and were resorting to cheap shots since it didnt matter anymore...

So we are supposed to take the word of a team that quit and wanted to cheap shot because it was over?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Love me some OBJ  
BlackLight : 10/6/2015 2:09 pm : link
In comment 12530214 nygiants16 said:
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So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...


No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
Typical Rex team  
BlueHurricane : 10/6/2015 2:10 pm : link
Get punched in the mouth and run and hide and talk shit after the fact. All three Ryan's are/were pieces of shit. Fuck em.
I watched the video  
Emil : 10/6/2015 2:11 pm : link
was that really a punch? Hard to tell

Again, not saying he didn't do it, but I have seen nothing egregious yet.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 2:12 pm : link
In comment 12530234 Go Terps said:
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My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.


Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.

There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.
.....  
Micko : 10/6/2015 2:13 pm : link
Damn, OBJ got laid out there - and yes, he responded like a bitch.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Love me some OBJ  
Emil : 10/6/2015 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12530247 BlackLight said:
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In comment 12530214 nygiants16 said:


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So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...




No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.


Ok now I see it. That's barely a punch. He shouldn't have done it, it's stupid, and will earn you an ejection. He needs to get pulled aside and counseled. But really, everyone is getting their knickers in a bunch over that. I'm not even 100% sure he actually "punched" him, but it's certainly close enough to draw a flag.
RE: Did anyone else get the  
Randy in CT : 10/6/2015 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12530126 Rory said:
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notion that Eli was upset with Beckham throughout the game?

He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.
Definitely. Eli motioned to him after almost every miscue as if to say, "Hey, when they do this, you do THAT". They should clean that up quickly.
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Go Terps : 10/6/2015 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12530258 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.



Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.

There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.


I wouldn't put Beckham's lame end zone celebration in the same category as Michael Jordan mentally breaking an opponent's will to compete, but that's just me.
RE: RE: RE: Same group of people here  
Rory : 10/6/2015 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12530202 nygiants16 said:
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who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.

Therapy is in order.



wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?

Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.



Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??




obviously I was referring to throwing punches on the field. Keep up now ...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Same group of people here  
nygiants16 : 10/6/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12530279 Rory said:
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In comment 12530202 nygiants16 said:







obviously I was referring to throwing punches on the field. Keep up now ...


Everyone already agreed the punch was stupid...
Its  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/6/2015 2:27 pm : link
Obvious odell has maturity issues. This isnt the first time. He ignited a bench clearing brawl last yr. He isnt playing well this year and needs to grow up
RE: Its  
Randy in CT : 10/6/2015 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12530313 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Obvious odell has maturity issues. This isnt the first time. He ignited a bench clearing brawl last yr. He isnt playing well this year and needs to grow up
If you're talking about St Louis, their cheap shots on him were obvious to everyone.
Sounds like he's speaking that foreign language known as Honesty  
ghost718 : 10/6/2015 2:29 pm : link
But we still love your punk ass Odell
RE: Its  
rptl530 : 10/6/2015 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12530313 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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He ignited a bench clearing brawl last yr.


Amazing that anyone could see it that way.
For me it's quite simple  
ADeP7 : 10/6/2015 2:41 pm : link
Odell plays with fire, and passion. And is extremely aggressive.
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.

So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that

However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else
sour grapes  
rocco8112 : 10/6/2015 2:42 pm : link
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RE: For me it's quite simple  
Gmen703 : 10/6/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12530356 ADeP7 said:
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Odell plays with fire, and passion. And is extremely aggressive.
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.

So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that

However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else


Let the church say Amen!
RE: For me it's quite simple  
LedHeded : 10/6/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12530356 ADeP7 said:
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Odell plays with fire, and passion. And is extremely aggressive.
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.

So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that

However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else


thank you, you saved me a whole lot of typing
Funny comment by Pugh  
Gregorio : 10/6/2015 2:49 pm : link
on the last drive of the game....

"On that last drive, their defense was kind of like -- when they were getting penalties -- they were like, 'This game is over anyway,'" Pugh said after the game, according to Syracuse.com. "That is kind of how it was. It was kind of crazy out there on that last drive. Mayhem. Refs yelling at players, players yelling at refs. I was just sitting back and trying not to get fined $15,000 for something."

Made me laugh out loud.


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As I said Sunday  
Sy'56 : 10/6/2015 3:14 pm : link
There IS A LINE between playing hard/emotional/intense and playing dirty. If you played sports you know the difference.

1) If Beckham continues this...several things can and will go wrong. The target on his back will be even bigger than it already is.

2) Refs will be made aware of this and they will be looking for it so they can throw the flag. How about a 25 yard TD on 4th down called back because of something he does after the play?

3) Teammates can get caught in the mix. If Beckham starts a fight...you know his guys will have his back. Bad luck could get one of those guys thrown out of the game. I've seen it several times.

4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.

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GloryDayz : 10/6/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12530168 Toth029 said:
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Click link to see a gif: http://giant.gfycat.com/PertinentBeneficialAngelwingmussel.gif


Absolutely no need for that, I agree, but that looks more like a shove (which happens almost after every play in the NFL) than a punch.

I'm not condoning it at all, I dont like it, its only going to make him a target, but its hard to accept that as "a punch".
I remember Jacobs squaring up in a boxing stance  
Mike in ramapo college : 10/6/2015 3:24 pm : link
and challenging players. It never led to blows, but some players just have to play with that fire.

All that said, he needs to cut out the punches, or someone is going to try and end his career.
Sy hit it on the head.Too many people confuse "acting like an asshole"  
Victor in CT : 10/6/2015 3:24 pm : link
with "playing with emotion".
i thought beckham  
jintz4life : 10/6/2015 3:25 pm : link
was protecting manning when he went after preston brown

it was the snap that got messed up because he was trying to call TO and eli covered the ball and was on the ground and i believe someone from the bills jumped on him and wouldnt budge
Nah..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2015 3:26 pm : link
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Amazing that anyone could see it that way.


When the poster is Old Dirty Beckham, it is par for the course. The only missing piece is him blaming TC or Reese for ODB's outburst.
RE: I remember Jacobs squaring up in a boxing stance  
Victor in CT : 10/6/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12530439 Mike in ramapo college said:
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and challenging players. It never led to blows, but some players just have to play with that fire.

All that said, he needs to cut out the punches, or someone is going to try and end his career.


I didn't like that either. But at least he was 270lbs and could defend himself against a lineman if he had to.

I especially didn't like when he threw the ball at the wall after a TD, which his mother had him cease and desist.

I think you guys need to take a few plays off...  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2015 3:56 pm : link
This is football. Players are gonna mix it up all the time, and Beckham is feisty. That is all.

And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.

Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.
You guys wanna change  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2015 3:59 pm : link
Beckham into the poster boy for good behavior, never in the public eye, etc. It ain't happening. Fod Christ sake he just had an entire hour on NFL network devoted to his daily life (which was awesome). Embrace it baby! You think some of the old time Giants were happy with Beckham fighting back after the hits on Eli? You bet they were. I'm sick of the "zero-attitude" Giants that we've seen the past 4 seasons.
RE: I think you guys need to take a few plays off...  
Sy'56 : 10/6/2015 3:59 pm : link
In comment 12530529 ryanmkeane said:
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This is football. Players are gonna mix it up all the time, and Beckham is feisty. That is all.

And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.

Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.


My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.

If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.
Did anyone besides the Bills see all of these punches?  
SomeFan : 10/6/2015 4:05 pm : link
It sounds like a boxing match yet no one notice the leather flying.
RE: RE: I think you guys need to take a few plays off...  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2015 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12530544 Sy'56 said:
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This is football. Players are gonna mix it up all the time, and Beckham is feisty. That is all.

And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.

Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.



My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.

If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.


Fair enough - I see the obvious need for him to tone it down a bit. Regarding Dez - the Cowboys have absolutely owned us the past 3 years. As far as I'm concerned, Dez can do whatever he wants.

But what exactly did you mean when you said Beckham's off-field stuff will "get him into trouble one day."?? Seems a bit over the top, no? Unless you have some insider information, that's kind of a pretty big comment to make. I see him on instagram, twitter, facebook, at all these events, etc. The kid is 23 living his life, and oh he plays for the Giants. That's how I see it.
I guess my overall point is that  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2015 4:10 pm : link
it's clear that some of us BBIers have no issue with it, some do. My response would be - would you rather have our players sleep walk up and down the field, not react when our QB gets a cheap shot in the pile? Would we rather have a superstar WR who just broke the record for best 16 games ever by a WR in the history of the league who just happens to be a little bit immature. Or would we rather have an upstanding citizen who causes no harm and collects 40 balls for 750 and a few touchdowns ?
I do not care  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 4:13 pm : link
You need to do what you need to do in a sport where big men run as fast as they can into each other. I am never going to fault OBJ because he is my guy and that means he is always in the right. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass
There are just always going to be people  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 4:13 pm : link
who prefer a team of head-down, hand the ball to the ref, fall in line type football players because it fits their ideal of what a professional athlete should be.
RE: There are just always going to be people  
Matt M. : 10/6/2015 4:21 pm : link
In comment 12530605 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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who prefer a team of head-down, hand the ball to the ref, fall in line type football players because it fits their ideal of what a professional athlete should be.
I don't want him to lose any emotion. He wants to dance after a 1st down? Fine. He wants to jaw at a DB? Fine. What I don't want is him shoving a DB or throwing a punch after the whistle just because he's frustrated with their physical play or baiting him. I'm sure both of those tactics will only increase now. I would prefer he not start getting penalties to negate his overwhelmingly positive contributions.
RE: RE: There are just always going to be people  
Victor in CT : 10/6/2015 4:27 pm : link
In comment 12530629 Matt M. said:
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who prefer a team of head-down, hand the ball to the ref, fall in line type football players because it fits their ideal of what a professional athlete should be.

I don't want him to lose any emotion. He wants to dance after a 1st down? Fine. He wants to jaw at a DB? Fine. What I don't want is him shoving a DB or throwing a punch after the whistle just because he's frustrated with their physical play or baiting him. I'm sure both of those tactics will only increase now. I would prefer he not start getting penalties to negate his overwhelmingly positive contributions.


The problem is that the dancing and jawing tend to lead to the punching and other stuff. Especially when you are a rookie who suddenly became the "face of the NFL" and you already have a target on your back.
RE: I guess my overall point is that  
Milton : 10/6/2015 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12530586 ryanmkeane said:
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it's clear that some of us BBIers have no issue with it, some do. My response would be - would you rather have our players sleep walk up and down the field, not react when our QB gets a cheap shot in the pile? Would we rather have a superstar WR who just broke the record for best 16 games ever by a WR in the history of the league who just happens to be a little bit immature. Or would we rather have an upstanding citizen who causes no harm and collects 40 balls for 750 and a few touchdowns ?
I'd rather have a superstar WR who catches 100+ balls for 1600 yards and 20TD's who isn't a spoiled, immature momma's boy. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
RE: I guess my overall point is that  
Sy'56 : 10/6/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12530586 ryanmkeane said:
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it's clear that some of us BBIers have no issue with it, some do. My response would be - would you rather have our players sleep walk up and down the field, not react when our QB gets a cheap shot in the pile? Would we rather have a superstar WR who just broke the record for best 16 games ever by a WR in the history of the league who just happens to be a little bit immature. Or would we rather have an upstanding citizen who causes no harm and collects 40 balls for 750 and a few touchdowns ?


Which is fine. Again the disagreements here are what keeps this place running and I applaud you for going about it the right way. Some of the kids here should take notes!

As for sleep walking or throwing punches...which is better? Honestly I would rather have a team that throws punches. But we both know those aren't the only two options.It's an emotional game and guys will make mistakes as we all do in life...but chronic ones can lead to much bigger problems.

I do have info on Beckham and I apologize if it seems annoying that I unbuttoned the the top two of the story and left the rest as is. That was not my intention. I just wanted to add to my point that I hope this kid can stay out of trouble. He has been a godsend for this franchise and I would hate for it to end in a TO/Desean type situation.
Throwing temper tantrums is not a sign of emotion...  
Milton : 10/6/2015 4:46 pm : link
It's a sign of immaturity.
Milton just curious  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 4:48 pm : link
where did you get your doctorate in Psychiatry? Was from a US school?
RE: As I said Sunday  
YAJ2112 : 10/6/2015 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12530414 Sy'56 said:
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There IS A LINE between playing hard/emotional/intense and playing dirty. If you played sports you know the difference.

1) If Beckham continues this...several things can and will go wrong. The target on his back will be even bigger than it already is.

2) Refs will be made aware of this and they will be looking for it so they can throw the flag. How about a 25 yard TD on 4th down called back because of something he does after the play?

3) Teammates can get caught in the mix. If Beckham starts a fight...you know his guys will have his back. Bad luck could get one of those guys thrown out of the game. I've seen it several times.

4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.


On #2, if he does something after the play the TD would still count. The penalty would be assessed on the kickoff.
RE: RE: I think you guys need to take a few plays off...  
aimrocky : 10/6/2015 4:50 pm : link
In comment 12530544 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 12530529 ryanmkeane said:

My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.

If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.


Could not agree more, and if you can't see this than you're blinded by your homer glasses.
You want to have talent..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2015 4:50 pm : link
that is focused on production and not on the other stuff. Sort of the deal with teh devil you make with certain players. Luckily, a guy like Plax worked out long enough for a ring and then KABOOM! Literally.

ODB has shades of OchoCinco and TO in him. As long as it stays that way on the field and doesn't lead to off field shit, we'll have to take it.

Wish he'd tone it down, but that probably ain't going to happen.
What is wrong with being a homer?  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 4:53 pm : link
Please explain
We are fans of a team  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 4:57 pm : link
that is the end of our responsibilities. The pious bullshit I read hear is just that pious bullshit. Why don't you draw up a terms of service regarding how fans are supposed to react ?
read here  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 4:57 pm : link
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I don't know what to tell people  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 5:01 pm : link
who don't think that OBJ was off on Sunday. Both in running routes and his over the top reactions to the opposition at times. Clearly he was affected by the Bills and it got in his head a bit. On more than one occasion he and Eli were completely out of sync.

The most important thing is that the Giants won the game and did so in fine style.

The most important thing moving forward for OBJ is that he cleans up his work with his QB. I love the guys hustle and effort. He really puts forth a stellar effort between the lines. I loved seeing his blocking down the field on the Jennings TD. And him chasing down the play after the int. Your star player is working.

As I said yesterday, I'm willing to give him a pass on this Sunday's jab at the DB who lit him up. Just don't pull that shit again. It's going to get flagged next time and that never helps the team.

But now that a quasi-recipe to frustrate him is sort of out there he needs to be vigilant in not getting caught up in the bullshit and play the mental gymnastics game with the defenses now. Flip the script and get in tune with Eli and dominate catching the ball. All the other stuff should take a backseat.
I agree OBJ  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 5:03 pm : link
was off on Sunday. I bet it wasn't Eli's fault
The Giants are a dirty team  
JohnF : 10/6/2015 5:03 pm : link

-- Wilbert Mongomery, 1981

(after we beat the crap out of the Eagles...funny how that works, you're dirty when you start playing physical and win).
I'd rather be the complainee  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 5:05 pm : link
than the complainer
Don't loop me in with the  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 5:09 pm : link
Eli can do no wrong crowd.

Beckham fucked up by throwing a punch. That's unacceptable.
Consider yourself  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 5:10 pm : link
unlumped
HH  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 5:24 pm : link
you've been a bit crotchety lately. Like really disagreeable. Everything ok?

Or are you just upset that Year of the Locust is delayed until May 2016?
Not really  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 5:29 pm : link
but I never got being called a homer as a fan of a team being a negative. It is a hot button, like I'm supposed to be this objective studious observer of the games and render impartial judgements to sound sports sophisticated. Well the reason I watch sports is so I have an outlet where I can feel instead of thinking and sounding knowledgeable in my objectivity
and that too  
Headhunter : 10/6/2015 5:32 pm : link
I preordered it awhile back and now it is June 2016 and that will be pushed back
RE: Milton just curious  
Milton : 10/6/2015 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12530699 Headhunter said:
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where did you get your doctorate in Psychiatry? Was from a US school?

From this guy.... - ( New Window )
I actually hope OBJ gets fined for the punches  
BlackLight : 10/6/2015 5:45 pm : link
If only so it reinforces why this shit can't happen in a game. We're not good enough to win after getting tagged for 15 yards, and watching our best receiver get thrown out with a broken hand.
RE: Milton just curious  
Milton : 10/6/2015 5:49 pm : link
In comment 12530699 Headhunter said:
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where did you get your doctorate in Psychiatry? Was from a US school?

And I did my post doc study with this guy.... - ( New Window )
more than likely  
AnyoneButPhilly : 10/6/2015 5:50 pm : link
If Beckam was on another team I would view him the same way I view DeSean Jackson. I respect the talent but the trash talk would get on my nerves
RE: Some of you are a real trip.  
Dang Man : 10/6/2015 6:07 pm : link
In comment 12530039 Curtis in VA said:
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If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.

I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.


Perfect response.
So, basically  
Dave M : 10/6/2015 6:13 pm : link
He knew they were neanderthals and he exploited it. I guess the Bills didn't see all their own antics though. Get over it. You lost.
RE: You want to have talent..  
JOrthman : 10/6/2015 6:17 pm : link
In comment 12530703 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that is focused on production and not on the other stuff. Sort of the deal with teh devil you make with certain players. Luckily, a guy like Plax worked out long enough for a ring and then KABOOM! Literally.

ODB has shades of OchoCinco and TO in him. As long as it stays that way on the field and doesn't lead to off field shit, we'll have to take it.

Wish he'd tone it down, but that probably ain't going to happen.


This...


But to address others, this is a weird game to post this thread. We are taking the word of the most penalized team in the league who did this the week before as well. I haven't seen anything on that gif that I don't see after almost every NFL play by most players.
and  
JOrthman : 10/6/2015 6:19 pm : link
I think it's telling when most of their fans aren't even defending them on this.
I love Beckham.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2015 7:57 pm : link
But he's gotta tone it down a bit. He's got a huge target on his back.
RE: As I said Sunday  
Kulish29 : 10/6/2015 8:12 pm : link
In comment 12530414 Sy'56 said:
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4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.


If you're not going to go in depth, then stop fuckin mentioning it. Jesus Christ we get it, you have some kind of 'insider info'. No one gives a shit.
RE: I love Beckham.  
Kulish29 : 10/6/2015 8:14 pm : link
In comment 12530913 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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But he's gotta tone it down a bit. He's got a huge target on his back.


He's had a target on his back since the year started and he got he Madden cover. Enough with this bullshit.
Hey if it's a giant being a pre-Madonna  
montanagiant : 10/6/2015 8:24 pm : link
Then it all good
RE: RE: I love Beckham.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2015 8:26 pm : link
In comment 12530948 Kulish29 said:
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But he's gotta tone it down a bit. He's got a huge target on his back.



He's had a target on his back since the year started and he got he Madden cover. Enough with this bullshit.


Kulish, agreed. But he doesn't help matters with his constant woofing. Between the insane coverage he gets & his constant chatter, it doesn't help matters.
It helped sunday  
ron mexico : 10/6/2015 8:38 pm : link
He baited them into at least one personal foul
RE: ....  
Giants4246 : 10/6/2015 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12530168 Toth029 said:
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Click link to see a gif: http://giant.gfycat.com/PertinentBeneficialAngelwingmussel.gif


Looked like a whole lot of nothin to me. On a side note, eli's tackle attempt was pitiful.
If you have insider info you're not able to share,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 9:54 pm : link
please don't do the corny sports radio commercial break tease. Everybody here respects what you add to the site a great deal, but with something like that that you can't talk about, probably best to say nothing at all.
RE: Not really  
Rory : 10/6/2015 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12530777 Headhunter said:
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but I never got being called a homer as a fan of a team being a negative. It is a hot button, like I'm supposed to be this objective studious observer of the games and render impartial judgements to sound sports sophisticated. Well the reason I watch sports is so I have an outlet where I can feel instead of thinking and sounding knowledgeable in my objectivity


this makes no sense , so you're an ignorant fan ? Just admit that Beckham is immature

RE: RE: As I said Sunday  
Sy'56 : 10/6/2015 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12530945 Kulish29 said:
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In comment 12530414 Sy'56 said:


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4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.




If you're not going to go in depth, then stop fuckin mentioning it. Jesus Christ we get it, you have some kind of 'insider info'. No one gives a shit.


I've addressed my reasoning for saying that a few times, go read. And I don't give a shit that you don't give a shit.
He needs to just shut up and play...  
EricJ : 10/6/2015 10:52 pm : link
so far this season is nothing special. He is the most talented WR this organization has ever seen. In many respects, he is allowing the opposition to get under his skin and into his head. They see that as much as we do which means they will continue to do that as a strategy against him.

Recommend that he just walk away when these things happen and when he makes a good play, dont taunt the opposition which I have seen him do. Act like you have been in the end zone before. Watch some film of Bavaro.
I just watched that drive again.  
St. Jimmy : 10/6/2015 11:23 pm : link
There was a lot of BS going on with the Bills too so I'm not that worried about this specific game. The first punch I saw was from a Bills player. Beckham does need to cut out the BS though. Someone will try to injure him if he keeps it up.
Like most  
NJGiantFan84 : 10/7/2015 12:11 am : link
ryan (Buddy, Rob and Rex) coached teams, the Bills are very dirty. If this becomes a pattern, ill be worried. But the Bills acting like victims is a joke. There was a lot of stuff coming from them that led to that. They did dirty stuff all game including unnecessarily dropping the RB on his head when he could have easily been put on his back.
I'd punch Duke Williams too after that cheap shot.  
Geomon : 10/7/2015 1:53 am : link
Insider Info....  
WeekendLife56 : 10/7/2015 2:43 am : link
I'll tell ya exactly what Sy.56 got. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out or figure out why he won't go into detail. He is off the opinion the kids a thug. Most likely has info that his personal life outside of football supports that...see Desean Jackson. And his reasoning for not wanting to go into detail is prolly a mixture of not haveing much rock solid detail other than this guy saw this this guy heard that and he simply doesn't want to be labeled a racist. End of game....your welcome
RE: I'd punch Duke Williams too after that cheap shot.  
BlackLight : 10/7/2015 2:58 am : link
In comment 12531508 Geomon said:
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LMAO.
The kid is still raw  
ZoneXDOA : 10/7/2015 3:16 am : link
We have a guy who is better after just 16 games than most other guys after 7- 10 seasons. We expect his maturity level to match that of a Calvin Johnson or a Larry Fitzgerald. Give him at least till the end of this season/ beginning of next. He'll be fine
Well that was a stupid punch  
SomeFan : 10/7/2015 4:41 am : link
It will cost us 15 if he gets caught
so  
LedHeded : 10/7/2015 6:19 am : link
much pearl clutching
RE: Insider Info....  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/7/2015 6:51 am : link

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I'll tell ya exactly what Sy.56 got. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out or figure out why he won't go into detail. He is off the opinion the kids a thug. Most likely has info that his personal life outside of football supports that...see Desean Jackson. And his reasoning for not wanting to go into detail is prolly a mixture of not haveing much rock solid detail other than this guy saw this this guy heard that and he simply doesn't want to be labeled a racist. End of game....your welcome


Cool story. I was on the edge of my seat.
RE: RE: Insider Info....  
BigBlueJ : 10/7/2015 7:18 am : link
In comment 12531538 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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I'll tell ya exactly what Sy.56 got. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out or figure out why he won't go into detail. He is off the opinion the kids a thug. Most likely has info that his personal life outside of football supports that...see Desean Jackson. And his reasoning for not wanting to go into detail is prolly a mixture of not haveing much rock solid detail other than this guy saw this this guy heard that and he simply doesn't want to be labeled a racist. End of game....your welcome



Cool story. I was on the edge of my seat.


Give me a fucking break.
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GiantFilthy : 10/7/2015 7:28 am : link
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I'd punch Duke Williams too after that cheap shot.
Geomon : 1:53 am : link : reply


I don't consider that legitimate block a cheap shot. That block is another example of something we would love it the teams were reversed.
Sit back in your seat  
WeekendLife56 : 10/7/2015 7:39 am : link
And buckle up bro its gets better..I think I agree with the insider info and like Sy hope he gets it sorted out before it becomes a problem.
Should he have thrown the punch, no of course not.  
USAF NYG Fan : 10/7/2015 8:37 am : link
He did throw the one punch though. The articles I've read say he threw multiple punches to different players and I can't find that anywhere. I think he only threw the one. Frustration, immaturity, whatever, he can't do that. The target is on him regardless. However, now that he's shown he can get flustered easily, yes teams will try harder to push his buttons.

I personally think the Bills were provoking him the entire game. Not just him either. The bad snap where Eli was trying to call a timeout and had to fall on the ball to keep possession. Those Bills were taking cheap shots on him. Williams pile drove Jennings into the ground in another play. I'm sorry but that was excessive. Most of it was just them being physical though and I can't complain about that. Both teams were physical. Both need to stay within the rules though.

Put simply, the Bills can dish it out but they can't take it. The Giants beat them at their own game. Again, Beckham has to grow up fast and learn to not retaliate. The Bills dirty play is probably what cost them the game after all.

And yes, Beckham was off his normal game on Sunday. I think that was obvious. I didn't see him get much separation. He lost the fights for the ball that he normally wins. He wasn't running the right routes (not following correct adjustments Eli was making). I hope he gets his head back in the game.
Somebody posted video of Odell's actions on several plays  
Fpbflppt : 10/7/2015 9:32 am : link
and "throwing a punch" wasn't in any of them.

If the topic of discussion was "incidental punishment", then PKB.
I have seen quite a few plays in the past year...  
Britt in VA : 10/7/2015 9:35 am : link
where Beckham has gotten up after a tackle "forcefully", or tried to kick somebody, thrown a punch, or a shove, etc...

Beckham has acknowledged himself that he needs people to "stay on him" to keep him focused.

He is getting a not so great rep around the league. I don't know how valid the Bills players' claims are, but he is getting that reputation.

Don't know about off the field, but on the field, he has made some bad decisions, post play. Hope it doesn't cost us, or him, down the line.

Nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
RE: I'd punch Duke Williams too after that cheap shot.  
Bill L : 10/7/2015 9:48 am : link
In comment 12531508 Geomon said:
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I don't see how that's cheap. Maybe he fell on (or near) him intentionally at the end, but other than that it doesn't seem cheap to me.
he's getting more attention  
Les in TO : 10/7/2015 9:54 am : link
and teams are going to try and get in his head. he will be fine, he and Eli will get back on the same page.
Sy, B, Milton  
JonC : 10/7/2015 9:57 am : link
all on target.
The thing that confuses me is how self aware and in control he is  
ron mexico : 10/7/2015 10:01 am : link
in his interviews.

I wonder wich one is the act?
On the field in the heat of battle  
JonC : 10/7/2015 10:04 am : link
it's easy to lose it, football is a very emotional game to play. There's no question the kid pours his heart and soul into his performances, and given he had a rough day in Buffalo he was probably growing increasingly pissed off as the game wore on.
RE: The thing that confuses me is how self aware and in control he is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/7/2015 10:07 am : link
In comment 12531845 ron mexico said:
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in his interviews.

I wonder wich one is the act?


I don't think either one is an act. He seems to be able to turn it on and off. Strahan could do that too.
But some of the stuff he does is clearly baiting his opponent.  
ron mexico : 10/7/2015 10:11 am : link
he is trying to draw the def into flags and mistakes

I think a lot of it is calculated and not heat of the moment type of stuff but other times it looks like he loses his head. Just not sure what to make of it all







ron  
JonC : 10/7/2015 10:17 am : link
Agreed, I think that's all there is to it, he baits and plays on the edge and loses it at times.
Giants have another player who says the right things in interviews  
ghost718 : 10/7/2015 10:18 am : link
and than goes out and acts like a fool.

People like to call him DaMonster,but I prefer Meathead.
RE: Giants have another player who says the right things in interviews  
Geomon : 10/7/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12531907 ghost718 said:
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and than goes out and acts like a fool.

People like to call him DaMonster,but I prefer Meathead.

That's DaMeathead.
It definitely is  
ghost718 : 10/7/2015 10:50 am : link
.
RE: .  
River Mike : 10/7/2015 2:26 pm : link
In comment 12530209 Go Terps said:
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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.

I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.



That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.


Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.
I can just see it...if OBJ...  
RC02XX : 10/7/2015 2:45 pm : link
came to the post game interview wearing his hat backwards, there will be a lot of BBI'ers' heads exploding.
RE: RE: .  
RC02XX : 10/7/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12532700 River Mike said:
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Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.


But everyone plays differently. We had this exact discussion with regards to Richard Sherman. Some players love to get into their opponents' heads and to goad them. Big deal. As long as they play hard on the field and keep themselves out of trouble off of it, does it really matter if they aren't your (that's a general "your"...not specifically your dad, Mike) dad's Giants player?
People's heads explode now...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/7/2015 2:50 pm : link
over silly shit.

Now, I say that full well knowing that the silly shit can still carry over and have effects. Look at Ochocinco. The guy was an attention whore between the lines, but for the most part a decent guy off (I think he had one off field incident).

But people really seem fixated on a "punch", especially the supposedly tough Bills.

That "punch" is the similar to things most arrogant WR's are doing these days. Watch Dez. At least once a game, he's jawing in the face of a DB. slapping a helmet, or jacking up somebody's facemask after the play.

OBJ ios an arrogant player, and is probably going to be considered a jackass most of his career by opposing fans. Hopefully it stays confined to between the lines and hopefully doesn't get him head hunted.
one off-field incident?  
Greg from LI : 10/7/2015 2:55 pm : link
Didn't he head-butt his wife?
I can't remember what..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/7/2015 3:02 pm : link
the incident was, but isn't it just one incident, as bad as that is for domestic abuse?
This all started when guys started taking cheap shots at OBJ  
raever : 10/7/2015 3:03 pm : link
With intent to injure. He's out on an island battling down in and down out. He's got to be physical and have that mindset. It was a dumb punch but the rest of this conversation is a waste of time.
I love OBJ and have no problem at all with how he plays the game  
ron mexico : 10/7/2015 3:09 pm : link
but this started with his first snap in the NFL. It's not something the bills brought out of him. It's who he is

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River Mike : 10/8/2015 8:06 am : link
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Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.



But everyone plays differently. We had this exact discussion with regards to Richard Sherman. Some players love to get into their opponents' heads and to goad them. Big deal. As long as they play hard on the field and keep themselves out of trouble off of it, does it really matter if they aren't your (that's a general "your"...not specifically your dad, Mike) dad's Giants player?


Ronnie, I don't really disagree with you. Up to a point it's no big deal, and I'm not sure ODB is flirting with that point. Basically, I just said that I have more respect for (like) those players that play great without the antics. To compare 2 great Giants at the same position, I liked and respected Bavaro more than Shockey. Just a personal thing. If someone wants to characterize it as "get off my lawn", that's fine.

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