is that his antics are creating a growing list of dudes that want to knock his block off legally or illegally. Love the guy, but he can be just as effective without the after the whistle nonsense.
Step on eli after another guy fell on top of him after he went down and gave himself up on the play? Im glad someone took a swing at him, he deserved it.
"His world is based on hype and that one catch," Gilmore said. "Everybody sees that, everybody knows him for that and people don’t really look at the film and watch him and really don’t know what type of player he is."
I'm not defending any cheap shots by OBJ but he just broke the NFL record for catches/yards(?) for the first 16 games of a career. That's a bit more than "hype and that one catch".
If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
Some knucklehead on BBI intimated that that play warranted retaliation from the Bills. As if blocking downfield is now some sort of no-no. Weird people blabbering about nonsense lately.
You don't see Calvin Johnson carrying on like that. In general, I'm not a fan show boating or some of the crap we see from Beckham. If he wasn't a Giant, I would probably despise him.
If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.
If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.
And I'm not saying that it being replayed is a bad thing. Just to stay humble.
and focuses a little more on making the plays that really hurt. With his talent his play should do all the talking. The refs hear the trash talking too and will give the DB's the benefit of the doubt on some calls with OBJ.
Watkins is a better player than Beckham?? Beckham has only had 1 play and that is why he has hype? seriously??
Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games
Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games
Who is the better receiver??
Not saying you are wrong, but one guy had Eli throwing to him the other had Kyle Orton. Watkins is a damn good WR and would be putting up numbers with the Giants too.
and focuses a little more on making the plays that really hurt. With his talent his play should do all the talking. The refs hear the trash talking too and will give the DB's the benefit of the doubt on some calls with OBJ.
Trash talking happens in every game, on every play in the NFL...
have you see Aaron Rodgers play? he talks to every player that gets into his face, you think he is telling them to have a nice day??
but it's not like this is the first time opposing players have bitched about his antics. I've never heard defensive players take those types of (verbal) shots at Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, etc. He's got some growing up to do.
Watkins is a better player than Beckham?? Beckham has only had 1 play and that is why he has hype? seriously??
Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games
Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games
Who is the better receiver??
Not saying you are wrong, but one guy had Eli throwing to him the other had Kyle Orton. Watkins is a damn good WR and would be putting up numbers with the Giants too.
I am not saying Watkins is a bad receiver but right now Beckham is hands down the better receiver..
are over. he's got to start concentrating on his job and work harder at getting open and catching whats thrown to him. He probably should have had the TD he had two hands on in the endzone too; difficult catch with defender on you, but one a player of his caliber has to make. He's still growing as a receiver though and that has to be taken into account also. Guy is just 22 years old, I think. He'll mature and get better as a receiver, no doubt in my mind, but he does have to stop the extra curricular activity otherwise he'll get flagged too.
If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.
And I'm not saying that it being replayed is a bad thing. Just to stay humble.
This is where a Veteran like Cruz or Eli need to take control and tell him to cool it.
Calvin Johnson and Fitz are quiet, understated guys Â
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
You don't?
Why is it that Brown acting like a huge asshole was ok? Meanwhile they are complaining about Beckham doing things that nobody else saw.
Beckham has a target on his back because he is good, and has gotten a lot of media attention. Combine that with the facts they the Giants just beat them, and they are coached by Rex Ryan and you get a lot of sour grapes and trash talk.
That's it. Is Beckham is the first and only guy to ever talk trash on the field? Is Beckham the one who keeps showing his highlights on the networks? And is Beckham at fault for getting sponsor deals and more money than those complaining about him? Almost every player on the field, and I'd guarantee basically every player on the Bills talks trash, gets in your face, says nasty things, and throws punches and shoves and slaps. But Beckham is a "prima donna"? Sure. Always find it fascinating how the players labeled as being a "prima donna" by other players in all major sports are usually the most successful ones. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. It's jealousy and always has been in sports.
However, if he plays like that don't cry like a bitch when somebody plays you aggressively (or blocks you on a pick). Beckham get bent out of shape when guys get physical with him. We have seen it often. And now he throws a punch after a block and runs off and hides behind others.
Gilmore? He's a damn good player who makes some pretty good points about Beckham.
I gotta say, the Bills have a point here. I really hope Beckham chills out. He's going to get kicked out of a game if he doesn't, and I don't want to have to root for an asshole WR like I'm an Eagles, Cowboys, or Redskins fan. Link - ( New Window )
That's it. Is Beckham is the first and only guy to ever talk trash on the field? Is Beckham the one who keeps showing his highlights on the networks? And is Beckham at fault for getting sponsor deals and more money than those complaining about him? Almost every player on the field, and I'd guarantee basically every player on the Bills talks trash, gets in your face, says nasty things, and throws punches and shoves and slaps. But Beckham is a "prima donna"? Sure. Always find it fascinating how the players labeled as being a "prima donna" by other players in all major sports are usually the most successful ones. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. It's jealousy and always has been in sports.
Bills have to find an excuse from somewhere so they do not look like a dirty team...
This is there way of deflecting the blame and putting on someone else...
Players after the game even said they were embarrassed by their performance and the penalties, so they have to find a reason for it...
notion that Eli was upset with Beckham throughout the game?
He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.
But, it is also something worth addressing by the coaching staff. This is not the first game in which he has had some aggressive after the play activity. Some of it has been relatively harmless, and some was lucky not to get flagged. He is a tremendous talent. It would be a shame if he starts to overshadow that with questionable acts on the field.
The one thing this complaint may accomplish is put OBJ under a microscope by officials. He needs to cut the shit.
notion that Eli was upset with Beckham throughout the game?
He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.
Eli targeted Beckham 12 times most of any WR...
but they definitely were not on the same page, a number of times Eli threw a back shoulder when Beckham just kept going...
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
So basically you want him to be a robot?
You want no emotion and just play?
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
RE: I'm not saying ODB is a choirboy... he definitely punched that guy. Â
Some guys play through emotion. For every Eli Manning there's a Michael Strahan who liked to talk and flex his bicep after sacks when he won his battles.
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
The constant negativity of many fans drives me nuts, but that subject could easily derail this thread.
Some guys play through emotion. For every Eli Manning there's a Michael Strahan who liked to talk and flex his bicep after sacks when he won his battles.
I dont understand why people do not get this?
So basically people want a team full of quiet players? no emotion nothing..
Showing emotion is not a bad thing, and if opposing teams get pissed off about it, good...that takes them out of their game and out of position...
Look at the Rams game last year, they were so hellbent on taking Beckham out he torched them..
OBJ has been doing this since he first snap in the league Â
the classic "he did it" BS after the team gets embarrassed on their home field. Out coached, out played, out hustled, and out smarted in front of their own fans, yet all they can talk about is OBJ going after a few guys. Gimme a break.
Yes, OBJ needs to tone it down a bit. But hell, it's about time somebody on this team had a little fire.
17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.
but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
Sorry i only saw 1 punch, i am not going to comment on players from a team that had 17 penalties...
If it happened in the Redskins game how come they did not come out and say anything? not one player from the redskins said something...
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
the guys - honestly. I was at the game, and basically watched Beckham on every single play. He didn't seem to be jawing or in the middle of the action that much. I may have missed a play or two, but didn't look like anything out of the ordinary. Nothing as close as the Rams game last year.
cousin needs to let his play do the talking. Crying to the press after your team just got smoked at home reeks of loser mentality.
OBJ shouldn't be throwing punches. I think only one person on BBI came close to saying that it was ok as long as it gets him fired up. And that was way off.
17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.
This. ^
Most of us realize that OBJ isn't a choirboy, but the Bills are clearly deflecting. I'm sure they don't want to talk about all those penalties.
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??
I am a big OBJ fan, but this guy has me worried. Opposing players are clearly going after him, and he seems to have the mind-set of "bring it on", which will not end up well. He will either get hurt or draw a stupid penalty in a very important game (he has not really been in one yet in the past year and a half). This is where we need a vet to step up and sit this guy down.
So what! What if Beckham has a lil Steve Smith (Pathers/Ravens and not Giants) in him.
I just hope that he bulks up if he plays that game. I like his nastiness. Was BBI in a frenzy about Jacobs doing all his extra curricular activities on the field (probably not because Jacobs was/is big as shit)?
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
I am a big OBJ fan, but this guy has me worried. Opposing players are clearly going after him, and he seems to have the mind-set of "bring it on", which will not end up well. He will either get hurt or draw a stupid penalty in a very important game (he has not really been in one yet in the past year and a half). This is where we need a vet to step up and sit this guy down.
It worked in our favor Sunday with those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on a flustered Bills squad.
Jerry Hughes had 5 personal fouls on him this year Â
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
You dont think they are deflecting blame just a little bit? kind of like their head coach did..
What was their excuse the week before?
He definitely made contact after the interception Â
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
But I will say I watched the whole game and did not see it. If I missed it, please tell me where.
That being said, Stephon Gilmore, who is a good corner, is out of his mind.
"Gilmore, who studies receivers across the NFL, said Beckham is "alright."
“I don’t really watch TV and listen to the hype. I study guys on the film and then I judge him," the corner said. "He’s not Sammy Watkins. He has good hands, he can catch. He’s good but he’s not what people think after that one catch.”
And while the Giants wideout hauled in the catch of the year (decade? century?) last season against Dallas, the Bills are adamant that there's a different side to this star.
"His world is based on hype and that one catch," Gilmore said. "Everybody sees that, everybody knows him for that and people don’t really look at the film and watch him and really don’t know what type of player he is."
Also, if OBJ did throw a punch (which I do not endorse) I highly doubt the Bills are completely blameless in this. They have been drawing penalties left and right all year. OBJ needs to respond to adversity better, but this smacks of a lot of sour grapes.
Some of you are having a hard time differentiating between emotion Â
and dirty play. Some posters were beginning to point out a potential problem last week. It looks like they weren't far off. The Bills complaining is only going to highlight it.
I'm not a huge fan of showboating, pointing, dancing, etc. But, none of that is the question here. What is in question is the tendency to take it beyond that to the physical level. I think, in most case, it is actually the result of him getting frustrated with physical and mostly chippy play. But, eventually, it is the second guy that gets caught. He showed great restraint in walking away when he drew a penalty last week.
But, there have already been a few instances of him getting a little physical after a play with a shove here and there. I recognize right now he is likely on the receiving end of a lot of physical and chippy play. A lot of it is designed to get him unsettled. If they get him to retaliate, even better, from their perspective. I'm sure this will only lead to more baiting by defenses. He will need to keep his wits about him and let his play do his talking. He certainly is talented enough for that to be enough.
The problem ? It's football people. So what, he threw a couple punches. If I'm playing, and guys are purposely trying to injure me, I'm going to defend myself as well. Odell plays with a competitive chip on his shoulder. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
"Again, the line between "toughness" and a flamboyant jackassery is way too thin for this team."
"Why is Hughes still on the field? Send his ass to the locker room to make a point."
"rex ryan has no control of this team."
"I'm eager to see Rex express empty "This is all on me." platitudes after this shitburger is off the grill."
"The Bills defense was already prone to really stupid, salty shit like this before Ryan trained them to reach a new level"
"I swear, one of these dumbasses is going to shiv a Giant before the clock runs out."
"Normally this the part where I say "GG, Giants fans", but the Bills disgraced themselves today.
So instead, congratulations on having the much better, infinitely more composed team, Giants fans."
"I really hope we bench Hughes and Brown next week. Only way these dumbasses will learn.
Pathetic performance today. Team should be embarrassed."
"I don't know how many more times Hughes, in particular, can keep getting away with this shit. It'd be inexcusable if it was only once, but this feels like the fourth or fifth time he's had a complete manbaby meltdown mid-game."
"While there may have been a few iffy calls/non-calls (which unfortunately happen in literally every game ever), the Bills have earned their reputation for committing dumb penalties by, you know, actually committing an absurd number of unambiguously dumb penalties on a regular basis.
The refs aren't going to give the Bills the benefit of the doubt when a complete lack of discipline is essentially the team's default state of operations."
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
and again people are taking Bills players word for it Â
if he was doing it against the Redskins, how come not one Redskins player mentioned it??
And you think the Bills players are going to admit what they were doing to instigate it? you think they are going to admit they were talking trash right back to him??
Fire. We have needed this on offense since Jacobs left. The issue I have is with punching and throwing his helmet down and the fighting. Have passion, but dont cost your team field position or a chance to score. It hasnt come back to hurt the team just yet, but he is dangerously close to that line. Now with this tape out from last game and the Bills players bringing this up, OBJ will be watched closely by the refs.
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Get off GT's lawn!!!
Look, I've never been a fan of pre-planned celebrations, etc, but I have to say that with OBJ, a once an era player (seemingly), it is easy to get excited and back the guy. If we are results driven, he produces.
saying that the Bills players on the last drive were saying they do not care about the penalties because the game was over anyway, that they had given up and were resorting to cheap shots since it didnt matter anymore...
So we are supposed to take the word of a team that quit and wanted to cheap shot because it was over?
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.
There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
Ok now I see it. That's barely a punch. He shouldn't have done it, it's stupid, and will earn you an ejection. He needs to get pulled aside and counseled. But really, everyone is getting their knickers in a bunch over that. I'm not even 100% sure he actually "punched" him, but it's certainly close enough to draw a flag.
notion that Eli was upset with Beckham throughout the game?
He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.
Definitely. Eli motioned to him after almost every miscue as if to say, "Hey, when they do this, you do THAT". They should clean that up quickly.
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.
There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.
I wouldn't put Beckham's lame end zone celebration in the same category as Michael Jordan mentally breaking an opponent's will to compete, but that's just me.
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??
obviously I was referring to throwing punches on the field. Keep up now ...
Obvious odell has maturity issues. This isnt the first time. He ignited a bench clearing brawl last yr. He isnt playing well this year and needs to grow up
Obvious odell has maturity issues. This isnt the first time. He ignited a bench clearing brawl last yr. He isnt playing well this year and needs to grow up
If you're talking about St Louis, their cheap shots on him were obvious to everyone.
Sounds like he's speaking that foreign language known as Honesty Â
Odell plays with fire, and passion. And is extremely aggressive.
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.
So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that
However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else
Odell plays with fire, and passion. And is extremely aggressive.
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.
So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that
However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else
Odell plays with fire, and passion. And is extremely aggressive.
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.
So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that
However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else
"On that last drive, their defense was kind of like -- when they were getting penalties -- they were like, 'This game is over anyway,'" Pugh said after the game, according to Syracuse.com. "That is kind of how it was. It was kind of crazy out there on that last drive. Mayhem. Refs yelling at players, players yelling at refs. I was just sitting back and trying not to get fined $15,000 for something."
There IS A LINE between playing hard/emotional/intense and playing dirty. If you played sports you know the difference.
1) If Beckham continues this...several things can and will go wrong. The target on his back will be even bigger than it already is.
2) Refs will be made aware of this and they will be looking for it so they can throw the flag. How about a 25 yard TD on 4th down called back because of something he does after the play?
3) Teammates can get caught in the mix. If Beckham starts a fight...you know his guys will have his back. Bad luck could get one of those guys thrown out of the game. I've seen it several times.
4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
was protecting manning when he went after preston brown
it was the snap that got messed up because he was trying to call TO and eli covered the ball and was on the ground and i believe someone from the bills jumped on him and wouldnt budge
This is football. Players are gonna mix it up all the time, and Beckham is feisty. That is all.
And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.
Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.
Beckham into the poster boy for good behavior, never in the public eye, etc. It ain't happening. Fod Christ sake he just had an entire hour on NFL network devoted to his daily life (which was awesome). Embrace it baby! You think some of the old time Giants were happy with Beckham fighting back after the hits on Eli? You bet they were. I'm sick of the "zero-attitude" Giants that we've seen the past 4 seasons.
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This is football. Players are gonna mix it up all the time, and Beckham is feisty. That is all.
And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.
Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.
My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.
If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.
Did anyone besides the Bills see all of these punches? Â
This is football. Players are gonna mix it up all the time, and Beckham is feisty. That is all.
And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.
Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.
My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.
If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.
Fair enough - I see the obvious need for him to tone it down a bit. Regarding Dez - the Cowboys have absolutely owned us the past 3 years. As far as I'm concerned, Dez can do whatever he wants.
But what exactly did you mean when you said Beckham's off-field stuff will "get him into trouble one day."?? Seems a bit over the top, no? Unless you have some insider information, that's kind of a pretty big comment to make. I see him on instagram, twitter, facebook, at all these events, etc. The kid is 23 living his life, and oh he plays for the Giants. That's how I see it.
it's clear that some of us BBIers have no issue with it, some do. My response would be - would you rather have our players sleep walk up and down the field, not react when our QB gets a cheap shot in the pile? Would we rather have a superstar WR who just broke the record for best 16 games ever by a WR in the history of the league who just happens to be a little bit immature. Or would we rather have an upstanding citizen who causes no harm and collects 40 balls for 750 and a few touchdowns ?
You need to do what you need to do in a sport where big men run as fast as they can into each other. I am never going to fault OBJ because he is my guy and that means he is always in the right. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass
who prefer a team of head-down, hand the ball to the ref, fall in line type football players because it fits their ideal of what a professional athlete should be.
who prefer a team of head-down, hand the ball to the ref, fall in line type football players because it fits their ideal of what a professional athlete should be.
I don't want him to lose any emotion. He wants to dance after a 1st down? Fine. He wants to jaw at a DB? Fine. What I don't want is him shoving a DB or throwing a punch after the whistle just because he's frustrated with their physical play or baiting him. I'm sure both of those tactics will only increase now. I would prefer he not start getting penalties to negate his overwhelmingly positive contributions.
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who prefer a team of head-down, hand the ball to the ref, fall in line type football players because it fits their ideal of what a professional athlete should be.
I don't want him to lose any emotion. He wants to dance after a 1st down? Fine. He wants to jaw at a DB? Fine. What I don't want is him shoving a DB or throwing a punch after the whistle just because he's frustrated with their physical play or baiting him. I'm sure both of those tactics will only increase now. I would prefer he not start getting penalties to negate his overwhelmingly positive contributions.
The problem is that the dancing and jawing tend to lead to the punching and other stuff. Especially when you are a rookie who suddenly became the "face of the NFL" and you already have a target on your back.
it's clear that some of us BBIers have no issue with it, some do. My response would be - would you rather have our players sleep walk up and down the field, not react when our QB gets a cheap shot in the pile? Would we rather have a superstar WR who just broke the record for best 16 games ever by a WR in the history of the league who just happens to be a little bit immature. Or would we rather have an upstanding citizen who causes no harm and collects 40 balls for 750 and a few touchdowns ?
I'd rather have a superstar WR who catches 100+ balls for 1600 yards and 20TD's who isn't a spoiled, immature momma's boy. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
it's clear that some of us BBIers have no issue with it, some do. My response would be - would you rather have our players sleep walk up and down the field, not react when our QB gets a cheap shot in the pile? Would we rather have a superstar WR who just broke the record for best 16 games ever by a WR in the history of the league who just happens to be a little bit immature. Or would we rather have an upstanding citizen who causes no harm and collects 40 balls for 750 and a few touchdowns ?
Which is fine. Again the disagreements here are what keeps this place running and I applaud you for going about it the right way. Some of the kids here should take notes!
As for sleep walking or throwing punches...which is better? Honestly I would rather have a team that throws punches. But we both know those aren't the only two options.It's an emotional game and guys will make mistakes as we all do in life...but chronic ones can lead to much bigger problems.
I do have info on Beckham and I apologize if it seems annoying that I unbuttoned the the top two of the story and left the rest as is. That was not my intention. I just wanted to add to my point that I hope this kid can stay out of trouble. He has been a godsend for this franchise and I would hate for it to end in a TO/Desean type situation.
Throwing temper tantrums is not a sign of emotion... Â
There IS A LINE between playing hard/emotional/intense and playing dirty. If you played sports you know the difference.
1) If Beckham continues this...several things can and will go wrong. The target on his back will be even bigger than it already is.
2) Refs will be made aware of this and they will be looking for it so they can throw the flag. How about a 25 yard TD on 4th down called back because of something he does after the play?
3) Teammates can get caught in the mix. If Beckham starts a fight...you know his guys will have his back. Bad luck could get one of those guys thrown out of the game. I've seen it several times.
4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
On #2, if he does something after the play the TD would still count. The penalty would be assessed on the kickoff.
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that is focused on production and not on the other stuff. Sort of the deal with teh devil you make with certain players. Luckily, a guy like Plax worked out long enough for a ring and then KABOOM! Literally.
ODB has shades of OchoCinco and TO in him. As long as it stays that way on the field and doesn't lead to off field shit, we'll have to take it.
Wish he'd tone it down, but that probably ain't going to happen.
that is the end of our responsibilities. The pious bullshit I read hear is just that pious bullshit. Why don't you draw up a terms of service regarding how fans are supposed to react ?
who don't think that OBJ was off on Sunday. Both in running routes and his over the top reactions to the opposition at times. Clearly he was affected by the Bills and it got in his head a bit. On more than one occasion he and Eli were completely out of sync.
The most important thing is that the Giants won the game and did so in fine style.
The most important thing moving forward for OBJ is that he cleans up his work with his QB. I love the guys hustle and effort. He really puts forth a stellar effort between the lines. I loved seeing his blocking down the field on the Jennings TD. And him chasing down the play after the int. Your star player is working.
As I said yesterday, I'm willing to give him a pass on this Sunday's jab at the DB who lit him up. Just don't pull that shit again. It's going to get flagged next time and that never helps the team.
But now that a quasi-recipe to frustrate him is sort of out there he needs to be vigilant in not getting caught up in the bullshit and play the mental gymnastics game with the defenses now. Flip the script and get in tune with Eli and dominate catching the ball. All the other stuff should take a backseat.
but I never got being called a homer as a fan of a team being a negative. It is a hot button, like I'm supposed to be this objective studious observer of the games and render impartial judgements to sound sports sophisticated. Well the reason I watch sports is so I have an outlet where I can feel instead of thinking and sounding knowledgeable in my objectivity
If only so it reinforces why this shit can't happen in a game. We're not good enough to win after getting tagged for 15 yards, and watching our best receiver get thrown out with a broken hand.
If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
that is focused on production and not on the other stuff. Sort of the deal with teh devil you make with certain players. Luckily, a guy like Plax worked out long enough for a ring and then KABOOM! Literally.
ODB has shades of OchoCinco and TO in him. As long as it stays that way on the field and doesn't lead to off field shit, we'll have to take it.
Wish he'd tone it down, but that probably ain't going to happen.
This...
But to address others, this is a weird game to post this thread. We are taking the word of the most penalized team in the league who did this the week before as well. I haven't seen anything on that gif that I don't see after almost every NFL play by most players.
4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
If you're not going to go in depth, then stop fuckin mentioning it. Jesus Christ we get it, you have some kind of 'insider info'. No one gives a shit.
But he's gotta tone it down a bit. He's got a huge target on his back.
He's had a target on his back since the year started and he got he Madden cover. Enough with this bullshit.
Kulish, agreed. But he doesn't help matters with his constant woofing. Between the insane coverage he gets & his constant chatter, it doesn't help matters.
please don't do the corny sports radio commercial break tease. Everybody here respects what you add to the site a great deal, but with something like that that you can't talk about, probably best to say nothing at all.
but I never got being called a homer as a fan of a team being a negative. It is a hot button, like I'm supposed to be this objective studious observer of the games and render impartial judgements to sound sports sophisticated. Well the reason I watch sports is so I have an outlet where I can feel instead of thinking and sounding knowledgeable in my objectivity
this makes no sense , so you're an ignorant fan ? Just admit that Beckham is immature
4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
If you're not going to go in depth, then stop fuckin mentioning it. Jesus Christ we get it, you have some kind of 'insider info'. No one gives a shit.
I've addressed my reasoning for saying that a few times, go read. And I don't give a shit that you don't give a shit.
so far this season is nothing special. He is the most talented WR this organization has ever seen. In many respects, he is allowing the opposition to get under his skin and into his head. They see that as much as we do which means they will continue to do that as a strategy against him.
Recommend that he just walk away when these things happen and when he makes a good play, dont taunt the opposition which I have seen him do. Act like you have been in the end zone before. Watch some film of Bavaro.
There was a lot of BS going on with the Bills too so I'm not that worried about this specific game. The first punch I saw was from a Bills player. Beckham does need to cut out the BS though. Someone will try to injure him if he keeps it up.
ryan (Buddy, Rob and Rex) coached teams, the Bills are very dirty. If this becomes a pattern, ill be worried. But the Bills acting like victims is a joke. There was a lot of stuff coming from them that led to that. They did dirty stuff all game including unnecessarily dropping the RB on his head when he could have easily been put on his back.
I'd punch Duke Williams too after that cheap shot. Â
I'll tell ya exactly what Sy.56 got. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out or figure out why he won't go into detail. He is off the opinion the kids a thug. Most likely has info that his personal life outside of football supports that...see Desean Jackson. And his reasoning for not wanting to go into detail is prolly a mixture of not haveing much rock solid detail other than this guy saw this this guy heard that and he simply doesn't want to be labeled a racist. End of game....your welcome
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We have a guy who is better after just 16 games than most other guys after 7- 10 seasons. We expect his maturity level to match that of a Calvin Johnson or a Larry Fitzgerald. Give him at least till the end of this season/ beginning of next. He'll be fine
I'll tell ya exactly what Sy.56 got. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out or figure out why he won't go into detail. He is off the opinion the kids a thug. Most likely has info that his personal life outside of football supports that...see Desean Jackson. And his reasoning for not wanting to go into detail is prolly a mixture of not haveing much rock solid detail other than this guy saw this this guy heard that and he simply doesn't want to be labeled a racist. End of game....your welcome
I'll tell ya exactly what Sy.56 got. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out or figure out why he won't go into detail. He is off the opinion the kids a thug. Most likely has info that his personal life outside of football supports that...see Desean Jackson. And his reasoning for not wanting to go into detail is prolly a mixture of not haveing much rock solid detail other than this guy saw this this guy heard that and he simply doesn't want to be labeled a racist. End of game....your welcome
He did throw the one punch though. The articles I've read say he threw multiple punches to different players and I can't find that anywhere. I think he only threw the one. Frustration, immaturity, whatever, he can't do that. The target is on him regardless. However, now that he's shown he can get flustered easily, yes teams will try harder to push his buttons.
I personally think the Bills were provoking him the entire game. Not just him either. The bad snap where Eli was trying to call a timeout and had to fall on the ball to keep possession. Those Bills were taking cheap shots on him. Williams pile drove Jennings into the ground in another play. I'm sorry but that was excessive. Most of it was just them being physical though and I can't complain about that. Both teams were physical. Both need to stay within the rules though.
Put simply, the Bills can dish it out but they can't take it. The Giants beat them at their own game. Again, Beckham has to grow up fast and learn to not retaliate. The Bills dirty play is probably what cost them the game after all.
And yes, Beckham was off his normal game on Sunday. I think that was obvious. I didn't see him get much separation. He lost the fights for the ball that he normally wins. He wasn't running the right routes (not following correct adjustments Eli was making). I hope he gets his head back in the game.
Somebody posted video of Odell's actions on several plays Â
it's easy to lose it, football is a very emotional game to play. There's no question the kid pours his heart and soul into his performances, and given he had a rough day in Buffalo he was probably growing increasingly pissed off as the game wore on.
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he is trying to draw the def into flags and mistakes
I think a lot of it is calculated and not heat of the moment type of stuff but other times it looks like he loses his head. Just not sure what to make of it all
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.
Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.
But everyone plays differently. We had this exact discussion with regards to Richard Sherman. Some players love to get into their opponents' heads and to goad them. Big deal. As long as they play hard on the field and keep themselves out of trouble off of it, does it really matter if they aren't your (that's a general "your"...not specifically your dad, Mike) dad's Giants player?
Now, I say that full well knowing that the silly shit can still carry over and have effects. Look at Ochocinco. The guy was an attention whore between the lines, but for the most part a decent guy off (I think he had one off field incident).
But people really seem fixated on a "punch", especially the supposedly tough Bills.
That "punch" is the similar to things most arrogant WR's are doing these days. Watch Dez. At least once a game, he's jawing in the face of a DB. slapping a helmet, or jacking up somebody's facemask after the play.
OBJ ios an arrogant player, and is probably going to be considered a jackass most of his career by opposing fans. Hopefully it stays confined to between the lines and hopefully doesn't get him head hunted.
With intent to injure. He's out on an island battling down in and down out. He's got to be physical and have that mindset. It was a dumb punch but the rest of this conversation is a waste of time.
I love OBJ and have no problem at all with how he plays the game Â
Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.
But everyone plays differently. We had this exact discussion with regards to Richard Sherman. Some players love to get into their opponents' heads and to goad them. Big deal. As long as they play hard on the field and keep themselves out of trouble off of it, does it really matter if they aren't your (that's a general "your"...not specifically your dad, Mike) dad's Giants player?
Ronnie, I don't really disagree with you. Up to a point it's no big deal, and I'm not sure ODB is flirting with that point. Basically, I just said that I have more respect for (like) those players that play great without the antics. To compare 2 great Giants at the same position, I liked and respected Bavaro more than Shockey. Just a personal thing. If someone wants to characterize it as "get off my lawn", that's fine.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Bummer.
Oh boo hoo the Giants players were talking trash, oh boo hoo Beckham said mean things to me...grow the fuck up
I'm not defending any cheap shots by OBJ but he just broke the NFL record for catches/yards(?) for the first 16 games of a career. That's a bit more than "hype and that one catch".
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
Some knucklehead on BBI intimated that that play warranted retaliation from the Bills. As if blocking downfield is now some sort of no-no. Weird people blabbering about nonsense lately.
I didn't see any punches thrown when I watched the game.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.
Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games
Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games
Who is the better receiver??
The Bills got 4 personal fouls/unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in that game. Stop blaming other people for your stupidity.
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If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.
And I'm not saying that it being replayed is a bad thing. Just to stay humble.
He's already marked by a few teams.
Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games
Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games
Who is the better receiver??
Not saying you are wrong, but one guy had Eli throwing to him the other had Kyle Orton. Watkins is a damn good WR and would be putting up numbers with the Giants too.
Trash talking happens in every game, on every play in the NFL...
have you see Aaron Rodgers play? he talks to every player that gets into his face, you think he is telling them to have a nice day??
He's already marked by a few teams.
St. Louis didn't even try and hide it.
I watch/go to the games, I haven't seen anything.....I'd like to see it.
Is it a punch/jab, or push. Huge difference.
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Watkins is a better player than Beckham?? Beckham has only had 1 play and that is why he has hype? seriously??
Watkins: 71 receptions 1081 yards and 7 TDs in 19 games
Beckham 115 receptions 1612 yards and 14 TDs in 16 games
Who is the better receiver??
Not saying you are wrong, but one guy had Eli throwing to him the other had Kyle Orton. Watkins is a damn good WR and would be putting up numbers with the Giants too.
I am not saying Watkins is a bad receiver but right now Beckham is hands down the better receiver..
and saying all he has done is 1 play is stupid...
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If that article was about Dez Bryant throwing punches at your team, you'd all be having a heart attack.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
I don't think he's the one telling Fox and NBC to keep replaying the catch.
And I'm not saying that it being replayed is a bad thing. Just to stay humble.
This is where a Veteran like Cruz or Eli need to take control and tell him to cool it.
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
You don't?
Why is it that Brown acting like a huge asshole was ok? Meanwhile they are complaining about Beckham doing things that nobody else saw.
Beckham has a target on his back because he is good, and has gotten a lot of media attention. Combine that with the facts they the Giants just beat them, and they are coached by Rex Ryan and you get a lot of sour grapes and trash talk.
Gilmore? He's a damn good player who makes some pretty good points about Beckham.
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Bills have to find an excuse from somewhere so they do not look like a dirty team...
This is there way of deflecting the blame and putting on someone else...
Players after the game even said they were embarrassed by their performance and the penalties, so they have to find a reason for it...
He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.
The one thing this complaint may accomplish is put OBJ under a microscope by officials. He needs to cut the shit.
Fine, I'll take the loss on this one.
He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.
Eli targeted Beckham 12 times most of any WR...
but they definitely were not on the same page, a number of times Eli threw a back shoulder when Beckham just kept going...
Therapy is in order.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
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but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
So basically you want him to be a robot?
You want no emotion and just play?
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
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but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
So basically you want him to be a robot?
You want no emotion and just play?
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
He's also probably prepared in his head that someone is looking to take him out--like St Louis last year.
But alas, as I said, some fans just enjoy knocking Giant players. Apparently more so than wins sometimes LOLorlro
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How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Therapy is in order.
The constant negativity of many fans drives me nuts, but that subject could easily derail this thread.
I dont understand why people do not get this?
So basically people want a team full of quiet players? no emotion nothing..
Showing emotion is not a bad thing, and if opposing teams get pissed off about it, good...that takes them out of their game and out of position...
Look at the Rams game last year, they were so hellbent on taking Beckham out he torched them..
And if this is what it takes for him to be the best he can be I have now problem with it.
I also had no problem with DJax antics and even somewhat respected Cortland Finnegan for his gamesmanship so I'm probably an outlier there.
Yes, OBJ needs to tone it down a bit. But hell, it's about time somebody on this team had a little fire.
17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.
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but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
Sorry i only saw 1 punch, i am not going to comment on players from a team that had 17 penalties...
If it happened in the Redskins game how come they did not come out and say anything? not one player from the redskins said something...
you dont think cameras would pick up on it?
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How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
OBJ shouldn't be throwing punches. I think only one person on BBI came close to saying that it was ok as long as it gets him fired up. And that was way off.
This. ^
Most of us realize that OBJ isn't a choirboy, but the Bills are clearly deflecting. I'm sure they don't want to talk about all those penalties.
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who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??
Even their own fans can smell the B.S. being spread.
The Bills are a chippy, cheap shot team...just like Ryan's Jets team. And just like all bullies, they don't like it when people punch them back.
I just hope that he bulks up if he plays that game. I like his nastiness. Was BBI in a frenzy about Jacobs doing all his extra curricular activities on the field (probably not because Jacobs was/is big as shit)?
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
It worked in our favor Sunday with those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on a flustered Bills squad.
The Bills have a history of being mentally soft, and you read yesterday that TC told the team they would self destruct on flags during the week.
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
You dont think they are deflecting blame just a little bit? kind of like their head coach did..
What was their excuse the week before?
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I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
That being said, Stephon Gilmore, who is a good corner, is out of his mind.
"Gilmore, who studies receivers across the NFL, said Beckham is "alright."
“I don’t really watch TV and listen to the hype. I study guys on the film and then I judge him," the corner said. "He’s not Sammy Watkins. He has good hands, he can catch. He’s good but he’s not what people think after that one catch.”
And while the Giants wideout hauled in the catch of the year (decade? century?) last season against Dallas, the Bills are adamant that there's a different side to this star.
"His world is based on hype and that one catch," Gilmore said. "Everybody sees that, everybody knows him for that and people don’t really look at the film and watch him and really don’t know what type of player he is."
Also, if OBJ did throw a punch (which I do not endorse) I highly doubt the Bills are completely blameless in this. They have been drawing penalties left and right all year. OBJ needs to respond to adversity better, but this smacks of a lot of sour grapes.
I'm not a huge fan of showboating, pointing, dancing, etc. But, none of that is the question here. What is in question is the tendency to take it beyond that to the physical level. I think, in most case, it is actually the result of him getting frustrated with physical and mostly chippy play. But, eventually, it is the second guy that gets caught. He showed great restraint in walking away when he drew a penalty last week.
But, there have already been a few instances of him getting a little physical after a play with a shove here and there. I recognize right now he is likely on the receiving end of a lot of physical and chippy play. A lot of it is designed to get him unsettled. If they get him to retaliate, even better, from their perspective. I'm sure this will only lead to more baiting by defenses. He will need to keep his wits about him and let his play do his talking. He certainly is talented enough for that to be enough.
"Why is Hughes still on the field? Send his ass to the locker room to make a point."
"rex ryan has no control of this team."
"I'm eager to see Rex express empty "This is all on me." platitudes after this shitburger is off the grill."
"The Bills defense was already prone to really stupid, salty shit like this before Ryan trained them to reach a new level"
"I swear, one of these dumbasses is going to shiv a Giant before the clock runs out."
"Normally this the part where I say "GG, Giants fans", but the Bills disgraced themselves today.
So instead, congratulations on having the much better, infinitely more composed team, Giants fans."
"I really hope we bench Hughes and Brown next week. Only way these dumbasses will learn.
Pathetic performance today. Team should be embarrassed."
"I don't know how many more times Hughes, in particular, can keep getting away with this shit. It'd be inexcusable if it was only once, but this feels like the fourth or fifth time he's had a complete manbaby meltdown mid-game."
"While there may have been a few iffy calls/non-calls (which unfortunately happen in literally every game ever), the Bills have earned their reputation for committing dumb penalties by, you know, actually committing an absurd number of unambiguously dumb penalties on a regular basis.
The refs aren't going to give the Bills the benefit of the doubt when a complete lack of discipline is essentially the team's default state of operations."
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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
And you think the Bills players are going to admit what they were doing to instigate it? you think they are going to admit they were talking trash right back to him??
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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Look, I've never been a fan of pre-planned celebrations, etc, but I have to say that with OBJ, a once an era player (seemingly), it is easy to get excited and back the guy. If we are results driven, he produces.
So we are supposed to take the word of a team that quit and wanted to cheap shot because it was over?
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
Again, not saying he didn't do it, but I have seen nothing egregious yet.
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.
There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.
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So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
Ok now I see it. That's barely a punch. He shouldn't have done it, it's stupid, and will earn you an ejection. He needs to get pulled aside and counseled. But really, everyone is getting their knickers in a bunch over that. I'm not even 100% sure he actually "punched" him, but it's certainly close enough to draw a flag.
He didn't throw his direction much and when he did it appeared that Odel was not on the same page or running the correct routes. I distinctly recall one play where Eli signaled to Beckham after an incompletion.
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My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.
There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.
I wouldn't put Beckham's lame end zone celebration in the same category as Michael Jordan mentally breaking an opponent's will to compete, but that's just me.
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who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??
obviously I was referring to throwing punches on the field. Keep up now ...
obviously I was referring to throwing punches on the field. Keep up now ...
Everyone already agreed the punch was stupid...
Amazing that anyone could see it that way.
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.
So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that
However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.
So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that
However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else
Let the church say Amen!
Yes he talks shit and jaws at opponents. He admits to it. That's what he likes to do try and get in people's heads. However everyone on this site needs to stop acting like talking some shit is some great travesty. He's a fucking football player. EVERYONE and I mean everyone in the NFL talks trash except for a few people like Eli and a few outliers.
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady your two poster boy qbs talk tons of shit
Brady is always screaming at everyone but for him it's just passion. He doesn't get told to tone it down. Receivers dbacks linebackers. Celebrate after every play. Any time an average joe makes a catch, breaks up a pass makes a nice tackle. There is some sort of celebration. That's just what the NFL is. Players talk shit after every play. They celebrate after plays. They dance and do what gets them hyped and fired up.
So for me. Odell can talk as much shit as he wants. His talent puts a target on him. Your fucking stupid if you think just because Odell goes over the middle a safety thinks. Wow this guy talks shit. Better lite him up. As opposed to thinking wow he really is a nice guy better make sure I won't tackle him to hard. That's dumb and idiotic thinking. Receivers get laid out by dbs because that's what they do. Secondary players love to lay hits. Beckham talking shit or not talking shit doesn't change that
However I don't want beckham throwing punches. That I do not like he could hurt himself. He could hurt the team by getting penalties or getting thrown out or suspended.
But as far as end zone dances and talking trash to opposing corners. Couldn't give a shit.
You want "classy" players. Go watch something else
thank you, you saved me a whole lot of typing
"On that last drive, their defense was kind of like -- when they were getting penalties -- they were like, 'This game is over anyway,'" Pugh said after the game, according to Syracuse.com. "That is kind of how it was. It was kind of crazy out there on that last drive. Mayhem. Refs yelling at players, players yelling at refs. I was just sitting back and trying not to get fined $15,000 for something."
Made me laugh out loud.
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1) If Beckham continues this...several things can and will go wrong. The target on his back will be even bigger than it already is.
2) Refs will be made aware of this and they will be looking for it so they can throw the flag. How about a 25 yard TD on 4th down called back because of something he does after the play?
3) Teammates can get caught in the mix. If Beckham starts a fight...you know his guys will have his back. Bad luck could get one of those guys thrown out of the game. I've seen it several times.
4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
Absolutely no need for that, I agree, but that looks more like a shove (which happens almost after every play in the NFL) than a punch.
I'm not condoning it at all, I dont like it, its only going to make him a target, but its hard to accept that as "a punch".
All that said, he needs to cut out the punches, or someone is going to try and end his career.
it was the snap that got messed up because he was trying to call TO and eli covered the ball and was on the ground and i believe someone from the bills jumped on him and wouldnt budge
When the poster is Old Dirty Beckham, it is par for the course. The only missing piece is him blaming TC or Reese for ODB's outburst.
All that said, he needs to cut out the punches, or someone is going to try and end his career.
I didn't like that either. But at least he was 270lbs and could defend himself against a lineman if he had to.
I especially didn't like when he threw the ball at the wall after a TD, which his mother had him cease and desist.
And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.
Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.
And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.
Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.
My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.
If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.
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This is football. Players are gonna mix it up all the time, and Beckham is feisty. That is all.
And Sy' - kinda getting tired of the "off the field maturity issues..but I can't get into that..." stuff. Either tell us what it is that has everyone so "concerned" or don't mention it.
Beckham is a star, he's gonna be all over the place. It's just how it is. Can't see it affecting his play at all.
My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.
If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.
Fair enough - I see the obvious need for him to tone it down a bit. Regarding Dez - the Cowboys have absolutely owned us the past 3 years. As far as I'm concerned, Dez can do whatever he wants.
But what exactly did you mean when you said Beckham's off-field stuff will "get him into trouble one day."?? Seems a bit over the top, no? Unless you have some insider information, that's kind of a pretty big comment to make. I see him on instagram, twitter, facebook, at all these events, etc. The kid is 23 living his life, and oh he plays for the Giants. That's how I see it.
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who prefer a team of head-down, hand the ball to the ref, fall in line type football players because it fits their ideal of what a professional athlete should be.
I don't want him to lose any emotion. He wants to dance after a 1st down? Fine. He wants to jaw at a DB? Fine. What I don't want is him shoving a DB or throwing a punch after the whistle just because he's frustrated with their physical play or baiting him. I'm sure both of those tactics will only increase now. I would prefer he not start getting penalties to negate his overwhelmingly positive contributions.
The problem is that the dancing and jawing tend to lead to the punching and other stuff. Especially when you are a rookie who suddenly became the "face of the NFL" and you already have a target on your back.
Which is fine. Again the disagreements here are what keeps this place running and I applaud you for going about it the right way. Some of the kids here should take notes!
As for sleep walking or throwing punches...which is better? Honestly I would rather have a team that throws punches. But we both know those aren't the only two options.It's an emotional game and guys will make mistakes as we all do in life...but chronic ones can lead to much bigger problems.
I do have info on Beckham and I apologize if it seems annoying that I unbuttoned the the top two of the story and left the rest as is. That was not my intention. I just wanted to add to my point that I hope this kid can stay out of trouble. He has been a godsend for this franchise and I would hate for it to end in a TO/Desean type situation.
1) If Beckham continues this...several things can and will go wrong. The target on his back will be even bigger than it already is.
2) Refs will be made aware of this and they will be looking for it so they can throw the flag. How about a 25 yard TD on 4th down called back because of something he does after the play?
3) Teammates can get caught in the mix. If Beckham starts a fight...you know his guys will have his back. Bad luck could get one of those guys thrown out of the game. I've seen it several times.
4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
On #2, if he does something after the play the TD would still count. The penalty would be assessed on the kickoff.
My point is he has a lot of growing up to do. If you aren't ok with that, thats ok. We don't need to agree all the time.
If Dez acted this way in a game against NYG we know how people here would react.
Could not agree more, and if you can't see this than you're blinded by your homer glasses.
ODB has shades of OchoCinco and TO in him. As long as it stays that way on the field and doesn't lead to off field shit, we'll have to take it.
Wish he'd tone it down, but that probably ain't going to happen.
The most important thing is that the Giants won the game and did so in fine style.
The most important thing moving forward for OBJ is that he cleans up his work with his QB. I love the guys hustle and effort. He really puts forth a stellar effort between the lines. I loved seeing his blocking down the field on the Jennings TD. And him chasing down the play after the int. Your star player is working.
As I said yesterday, I'm willing to give him a pass on this Sunday's jab at the DB who lit him up. Just don't pull that shit again. It's going to get flagged next time and that never helps the team.
But now that a quasi-recipe to frustrate him is sort of out there he needs to be vigilant in not getting caught up in the bullshit and play the mental gymnastics game with the defenses now. Flip the script and get in tune with Eli and dominate catching the ball. All the other stuff should take a backseat.
-- Wilbert Mongomery, 1981
(after we beat the crap out of the Eagles...funny how that works, you're dirty when you start playing physical and win).
Beckham fucked up by throwing a punch. That's unacceptable.
Or are you just upset that Year of the Locust is delayed until May 2016?
From this guy.... - ( New Window )
And I did my post doc study with this guy.... - ( New Window )
I don't think its sour grapes at all. The exposure he's recieved for that catch has been insane. Even I was getting a bit sick of seeing him all over the place this offseason. He needs to come back down to Earth.
Perfect response.
ODB has shades of OchoCinco and TO in him. As long as it stays that way on the field and doesn't lead to off field shit, we'll have to take it.
Wish he'd tone it down, but that probably ain't going to happen.
This...
But to address others, this is a weird game to post this thread. We are taking the word of the most penalized team in the league who did this the week before as well. I haven't seen anything on that gif that I don't see after almost every NFL play by most players.
4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
If you're not going to go in depth, then stop fuckin mentioning it. Jesus Christ we get it, you have some kind of 'insider info'. No one gives a shit.
He's had a target on his back since the year started and he got he Madden cover. Enough with this bullshit.
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But he's gotta tone it down a bit. He's got a huge target on his back.
He's had a target on his back since the year started and he got he Madden cover. Enough with this bullshit.
Kulish, agreed. But he doesn't help matters with his constant woofing. Between the insane coverage he gets & his constant chatter, it doesn't help matters.
Looked like a whole lot of nothin to me. On a side note, eli's tackle attempt was pitiful.
this makes no sense , so you're an ignorant fan ? Just admit that Beckham is immature
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4) And I won't go in to detail on this...But Beckham's immaturity doesn't end on the field. There are things outside of the public eye that could likely get him in trouble eventually.
If you're not going to go in depth, then stop fuckin mentioning it. Jesus Christ we get it, you have some kind of 'insider info'. No one gives a shit.
I've addressed my reasoning for saying that a few times, go read. And I don't give a shit that you don't give a shit.
Recommend that he just walk away when these things happen and when he makes a good play, dont taunt the opposition which I have seen him do. Act like you have been in the end zone before. Watch some film of Bavaro.
LMAO.
Cool story. I was on the edge of my seat.
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I'll tell ya exactly what Sy.56 got. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out or figure out why he won't go into detail. He is off the opinion the kids a thug. Most likely has info that his personal life outside of football supports that...see Desean Jackson. And his reasoning for not wanting to go into detail is prolly a mixture of not haveing much rock solid detail other than this guy saw this this guy heard that and he simply doesn't want to be labeled a racist. End of game....your welcome
Cool story. I was on the edge of my seat.
Give me a fucking break.
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I don't consider that legitimate block a cheap shot. That block is another example of something we would love it the teams were reversed.
I personally think the Bills were provoking him the entire game. Not just him either. The bad snap where Eli was trying to call a timeout and had to fall on the ball to keep possession. Those Bills were taking cheap shots on him. Williams pile drove Jennings into the ground in another play. I'm sorry but that was excessive. Most of it was just them being physical though and I can't complain about that. Both teams were physical. Both need to stay within the rules though.
Put simply, the Bills can dish it out but they can't take it. The Giants beat them at their own game. Again, Beckham has to grow up fast and learn to not retaliate. The Bills dirty play is probably what cost them the game after all.
And yes, Beckham was off his normal game on Sunday. I think that was obvious. I didn't see him get much separation. He lost the fights for the ball that he normally wins. He wasn't running the right routes (not following correct adjustments Eli was making). I hope he gets his head back in the game.
If the topic of discussion was "incidental punishment", then PKB.
Beckham has acknowledged himself that he needs people to "stay on him" to keep him focused.
He is getting a not so great rep around the league. I don't know how valid the Bills players' claims are, but he is getting that reputation.
Don't know about off the field, but on the field, he has made some bad decisions, post play. Hope it doesn't cost us, or him, down the line.
Nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
I wonder wich one is the act?
I wonder wich one is the act?
I don't think either one is an act. He seems to be able to turn it on and off. Strahan could do that too.
I think a lot of it is calculated and not heat of the moment type of stuff but other times it looks like he loses his head. Just not sure what to make of it all
People like to call him DaMonster,but I prefer Meathead.
People like to call him DaMonster,but I prefer Meathead.
That's DaMeathead.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.
But everyone plays differently. We had this exact discussion with regards to Richard Sherman. Some players love to get into their opponents' heads and to goad them. Big deal. As long as they play hard on the field and keep themselves out of trouble off of it, does it really matter if they aren't your (that's a general "your"...not specifically your dad, Mike) dad's Giants player?
Now, I say that full well knowing that the silly shit can still carry over and have effects. Look at Ochocinco. The guy was an attention whore between the lines, but for the most part a decent guy off (I think he had one off field incident).
But people really seem fixated on a "punch", especially the supposedly tough Bills.
That "punch" is the similar to things most arrogant WR's are doing these days. Watch Dez. At least once a game, he's jawing in the face of a DB. slapping a helmet, or jacking up somebody's facemask after the play.
OBJ ios an arrogant player, and is probably going to be considered a jackass most of his career by opposing fans. Hopefully it stays confined to between the lines and hopefully doesn't get him head hunted.
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Exactly. Not going to comment on OBJ specifically, but in general I don't buy that you have to act like a jackass to play effectively. So some guys act like a jackass and play great, others don't act like a jackass and play great. I have more respect for the latter, and they are proof that you don't have to act like a jackass in order to play great.
But everyone plays differently. We had this exact discussion with regards to Richard Sherman. Some players love to get into their opponents' heads and to goad them. Big deal. As long as they play hard on the field and keep themselves out of trouble off of it, does it really matter if they aren't your (that's a general "your"...not specifically your dad, Mike) dad's Giants player?
Ronnie, I don't really disagree with you. Up to a point it's no big deal, and I'm not sure ODB is flirting with that point. Basically, I just said that I have more respect for (like) those players that play great without the antics. To compare 2 great Giants at the same position, I liked and respected Bavaro more than Shockey. Just a personal thing. If someone wants to characterize it as "get off my lawn", that's fine.