but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
So basically you want him to be a robot?
You want no emotion and just play?
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
RE: I'm not saying ODB is a choirboy... he definitely punched that guy. Â
Some guys play through emotion. For every Eli Manning there's a Michael Strahan who liked to talk and flex his bicep after sacks when he won his battles.
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
The constant negativity of many fans drives me nuts, but that subject could easily derail this thread.
Some guys play through emotion. For every Eli Manning there's a Michael Strahan who liked to talk and flex his bicep after sacks when he won his battles.
I dont understand why people do not get this?
So basically people want a team full of quiet players? no emotion nothing..
Showing emotion is not a bad thing, and if opposing teams get pissed off about it, good...that takes them out of their game and out of position...
Look at the Rams game last year, they were so hellbent on taking Beckham out he torched them..
OBJ has been doing this since he first snap in the league Â
the classic "he did it" BS after the team gets embarrassed on their home field. Out coached, out played, out hustled, and out smarted in front of their own fans, yet all they can talk about is OBJ going after a few guys. Gimme a break.
Yes, OBJ needs to tone it down a bit. But hell, it's about time somebody on this team had a little fire.
17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.
but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
Sorry i only saw 1 punch, i am not going to comment on players from a team that had 17 penalties...
If it happened in the Redskins game how come they did not come out and say anything? not one player from the redskins said something...
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
the guys - honestly. I was at the game, and basically watched Beckham on every single play. He didn't seem to be jawing or in the middle of the action that much. I may have missed a play or two, but didn't look like anything out of the ordinary. Nothing as close as the Rams game last year.
cousin needs to let his play do the talking. Crying to the press after your team just got smoked at home reeks of loser mentality.
OBJ shouldn't be throwing punches. I think only one person on BBI came close to saying that it was ok as long as it gets him fired up. And that was way off.
17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.
This. ^
Most of us realize that OBJ isn't a choirboy, but the Bills are clearly deflecting. I'm sure they don't want to talk about all those penalties.
who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??
I am a big OBJ fan, but this guy has me worried. Opposing players are clearly going after him, and he seems to have the mind-set of "bring it on", which will not end up well. He will either get hurt or draw a stupid penalty in a very important game (he has not really been in one yet in the past year and a half). This is where we need a vet to step up and sit this guy down.
So what! What if Beckham has a lil Steve Smith (Pathers/Ravens and not Giants) in him.
I just hope that he bulks up if he plays that game. I like his nastiness. Was BBI in a frenzy about Jacobs doing all his extra curricular activities on the field (probably not because Jacobs was/is big as shit)?
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
I am a big OBJ fan, but this guy has me worried. Opposing players are clearly going after him, and he seems to have the mind-set of "bring it on", which will not end up well. He will either get hurt or draw a stupid penalty in a very important game (he has not really been in one yet in the past year and a half). This is where we need a vet to step up and sit this guy down.
It worked in our favor Sunday with those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on a flustered Bills squad.
Jerry Hughes had 5 personal fouls on him this year Â
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
You dont think they are deflecting blame just a little bit? kind of like their head coach did..
What was their excuse the week before?
He definitely made contact after the interception Â
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
But I will say I watched the whole game and did not see it. If I missed it, please tell me where.
That being said, Stephon Gilmore, who is a good corner, is out of his mind.
"Gilmore, who studies receivers across the NFL, said Beckham is "alright."
“I don’t really watch TV and listen to the hype. I study guys on the film and then I judge him," the corner said. "He’s not Sammy Watkins. He has good hands, he can catch. He’s good but he’s not what people think after that one catch.”
And while the Giants wideout hauled in the catch of the year (decade? century?) last season against Dallas, the Bills are adamant that there's a different side to this star.
"His world is based on hype and that one catch," Gilmore said. "Everybody sees that, everybody knows him for that and people don’t really look at the film and watch him and really don’t know what type of player he is."
Also, if OBJ did throw a punch (which I do not endorse) I highly doubt the Bills are completely blameless in this. They have been drawing penalties left and right all year. OBJ needs to respond to adversity better, but this smacks of a lot of sour grapes.
Some of you are having a hard time differentiating between emotion Â
and dirty play. Some posters were beginning to point out a potential problem last week. It looks like they weren't far off. The Bills complaining is only going to highlight it.
I'm not a huge fan of showboating, pointing, dancing, etc. But, none of that is the question here. What is in question is the tendency to take it beyond that to the physical level. I think, in most case, it is actually the result of him getting frustrated with physical and mostly chippy play. But, eventually, it is the second guy that gets caught. He showed great restraint in walking away when he drew a penalty last week.
But, there have already been a few instances of him getting a little physical after a play with a shove here and there. I recognize right now he is likely on the receiving end of a lot of physical and chippy play. A lot of it is designed to get him unsettled. If they get him to retaliate, even better, from their perspective. I'm sure this will only lead to more baiting by defenses. He will need to keep his wits about him and let his play do his talking. He certainly is talented enough for that to be enough.
The problem ? It's football people. So what, he threw a couple punches. If I'm playing, and guys are purposely trying to injure me, I'm going to defend myself as well. Odell plays with a competitive chip on his shoulder. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
"Again, the line between "toughness" and a flamboyant jackassery is way too thin for this team."
"Why is Hughes still on the field? Send his ass to the locker room to make a point."
"rex ryan has no control of this team."
"I'm eager to see Rex express empty "This is all on me." platitudes after this shitburger is off the grill."
"The Bills defense was already prone to really stupid, salty shit like this before Ryan trained them to reach a new level"
"I swear, one of these dumbasses is going to shiv a Giant before the clock runs out."
"Normally this the part where I say "GG, Giants fans", but the Bills disgraced themselves today.
So instead, congratulations on having the much better, infinitely more composed team, Giants fans."
"I really hope we bench Hughes and Brown next week. Only way these dumbasses will learn.
Pathetic performance today. Team should be embarrassed."
"I don't know how many more times Hughes, in particular, can keep getting away with this shit. It'd be inexcusable if it was only once, but this feels like the fourth or fifth time he's had a complete manbaby meltdown mid-game."
"While there may have been a few iffy calls/non-calls (which unfortunately happen in literally every game ever), the Bills have earned their reputation for committing dumb penalties by, you know, actually committing an absurd number of unambiguously dumb penalties on a regular basis.
The refs aren't going to give the Bills the benefit of the doubt when a complete lack of discipline is essentially the team's default state of operations."
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
and again people are taking Bills players word for it Â
if he was doing it against the Redskins, how come not one Redskins player mentioned it??
And you think the Bills players are going to admit what they were doing to instigate it? you think they are going to admit they were talking trash right back to him??
Fire. We have needed this on offense since Jacobs left. The issue I have is with punching and throwing his helmet down and the fighting. Have passion, but dont cost your team field position or a chance to score. It hasnt come back to hurt the team just yet, but he is dangerously close to that line. Now with this tape out from last game and the Bills players bringing this up, OBJ will be watched closely by the refs.
So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Get off GT's lawn!!!
Look, I've never been a fan of pre-planned celebrations, etc, but I have to say that with OBJ, a once an era player (seemingly), it is easy to get excited and back the guy. If we are results driven, he produces.
saying that the Bills players on the last drive were saying they do not care about the penalties because the game was over anyway, that they had given up and were resorting to cheap shots since it didnt matter anymore...
So we are supposed to take the word of a team that quit and wanted to cheap shot because it was over?
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.
There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
Ok now I see it. That's barely a punch. He shouldn't have done it, it's stupid, and will earn you an ejection. He needs to get pulled aside and counseled. But really, everyone is getting their knickers in a bunch over that. I'm not even 100% sure he actually "punched" him, but it's certainly close enough to draw a flag.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
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but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
So basically you want him to be a robot?
You want no emotion and just play?
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
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but I am on the side he needs to forget the extra stuff and concentrate on the game.
He was not very good against Buffalo.
Agree. Stop the stupid 1st down signs and hooting/hollering and just play. His electric talent is more than enough to draw attention, and he is not afraid to mix it up in the run game. He doesn't need to do the other stuff.
So basically you want him to be a robot?
You want no emotion and just play?
How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
He's also probably prepared in his head that someone is looking to take him out--like St Louis last year.
But alas, as I said, some fans just enjoy knocking Giant players. Apparently more so than wins sometimes LOLorlro
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How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Therapy is in order.
The constant negativity of many fans drives me nuts, but that subject could easily derail this thread.
I dont understand why people do not get this?
So basically people want a team full of quiet players? no emotion nothing..
Showing emotion is not a bad thing, and if opposing teams get pissed off about it, good...that takes them out of their game and out of position...
Look at the Rams game last year, they were so hellbent on taking Beckham out he torched them..
And if this is what it takes for him to be the best he can be I have now problem with it.
I also had no problem with DJax antics and even somewhat respected Cortland Finnegan for his gamesmanship so I'm probably an outlier there.
Yes, OBJ needs to tone it down a bit. But hell, it's about time somebody on this team had a little fire.
17 penalties, including multiple personal fouls at the end of the game, but it was all Beckham right?? Haha. What a joke - these players look even dumber than I thought after this game.
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but the other stuff, the talking trash, the dancing and the first down pointing is not a big deal, every player in the NFL does it...
The poster boy for the NFL and arguably the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers, does the exact same thing...he talks shit to every player that gets into his face..he points first down when he scrambles..
Should Aaron Rodgers tone it down??
Well it wasn't just one punch. He did it often and I think they said that they saw him do it last week against the Redskins as well.
Sorry i only saw 1 punch, i am not going to comment on players from a team that had 17 penalties...
If it happened in the Redskins game how come they did not come out and say anything? not one player from the redskins said something...
you dont think cameras would pick up on it?
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How about we settle on him being more like Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones, and less like Desean Jackson?
Would we all be happy with that?
Or he can be like Aaron Rodgers who does the exact same thing??
So him dancing and talking trash and poitning for a first down is a bad thing??
It is funny when a player doesnt show emotion or is very monotone when he speaks, people say he doesnt have enough swag, he needs to play with swagger, like when people talk about the defense they say they need more swagger...
But Beckham doing those things is a bad thing??
If this was Landon Collins going around dancing after hitting someone or talking trash or staring someone down, would you be mad about it?
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
OBJ shouldn't be throwing punches. I think only one person on BBI came close to saying that it was ok as long as it gets him fired up. And that was way off.
This. ^
Most of us realize that OBJ isn't a choirboy, but the Bills are clearly deflecting. I'm sure they don't want to talk about all those penalties.
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who take every opportunity to knock a Giant players--especially good ones. It's a weird thing. I think it comes from listening to your daddies whining about the shitty Giants over the years so your nerve endings are predisposed to being unhappy--even when things are going well.
Therapy is in order.
wrong Randy and what if Beckham ends up costing the Giants a playoff opportunity because he is suspended and leaves the team without a play-maker. Or worse does something stupid and gets injured aka PLax?
Toomer / Cruz / Nicks / Manningham never did that.
Wait Cruz and Nicks do not point first downs or dance on teh field??
Even their own fans can smell the B.S. being spread.
The Bills are a chippy, cheap shot team...just like Ryan's Jets team. And just like all bullies, they don't like it when people punch them back.
I just hope that he bulks up if he plays that game. I like his nastiness. Was BBI in a frenzy about Jacobs doing all his extra curricular activities on the field (probably not because Jacobs was/is big as shit)?
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
It worked in our favor Sunday with those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on a flustered Bills squad.
The Bills have a history of being mentally soft, and you read yesterday that TC told the team they would self destruct on flags during the week.
I don't care about the swagger. I care about him throwing punches because he doesn't like how hard he's getting hit. None of the guys you mentioned take it to that level.
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
You dont think they are deflecting blame just a little bit? kind of like their head coach did..
What was their excuse the week before?
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I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
That being said, Stephon Gilmore, who is a good corner, is out of his mind.
"Gilmore, who studies receivers across the NFL, said Beckham is "alright."
“I don’t really watch TV and listen to the hype. I study guys on the film and then I judge him," the corner said. "He’s not Sammy Watkins. He has good hands, he can catch. He’s good but he’s not what people think after that one catch.”
And while the Giants wideout hauled in the catch of the year (decade? century?) last season against Dallas, the Bills are adamant that there's a different side to this star.
"His world is based on hype and that one catch," Gilmore said. "Everybody sees that, everybody knows him for that and people don’t really look at the film and watch him and really don’t know what type of player he is."
Also, if OBJ did throw a punch (which I do not endorse) I highly doubt the Bills are completely blameless in this. They have been drawing penalties left and right all year. OBJ needs to respond to adversity better, but this smacks of a lot of sour grapes.
I'm not a huge fan of showboating, pointing, dancing, etc. But, none of that is the question here. What is in question is the tendency to take it beyond that to the physical level. I think, in most case, it is actually the result of him getting frustrated with physical and mostly chippy play. But, eventually, it is the second guy that gets caught. He showed great restraint in walking away when he drew a penalty last week.
But, there have already been a few instances of him getting a little physical after a play with a shove here and there. I recognize right now he is likely on the receiving end of a lot of physical and chippy play. A lot of it is designed to get him unsettled. If they get him to retaliate, even better, from their perspective. I'm sure this will only lead to more baiting by defenses. He will need to keep his wits about him and let his play do his talking. He certainly is talented enough for that to be enough.
"Why is Hughes still on the field? Send his ass to the locker room to make a point."
"rex ryan has no control of this team."
"I'm eager to see Rex express empty "This is all on me." platitudes after this shitburger is off the grill."
"The Bills defense was already prone to really stupid, salty shit like this before Ryan trained them to reach a new level"
"I swear, one of these dumbasses is going to shiv a Giant before the clock runs out."
"Normally this the part where I say "GG, Giants fans", but the Bills disgraced themselves today.
So instead, congratulations on having the much better, infinitely more composed team, Giants fans."
"I really hope we bench Hughes and Brown next week. Only way these dumbasses will learn.
Pathetic performance today. Team should be embarrassed."
"I don't know how many more times Hughes, in particular, can keep getting away with this shit. It'd be inexcusable if it was only once, but this feels like the fourth or fifth time he's had a complete manbaby meltdown mid-game."
"While there may have been a few iffy calls/non-calls (which unfortunately happen in literally every game ever), the Bills have earned their reputation for committing dumb penalties by, you know, actually committing an absurd number of unambiguously dumb penalties on a regular basis.
The refs aren't going to give the Bills the benefit of the doubt when a complete lack of discipline is essentially the team's default state of operations."
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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
And you think the Bills players are going to admit what they were doing to instigate it? you think they are going to admit they were talking trash right back to him??
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So a guy that doesn't celebrate every play does not play with emotion?Someone should tell Mark Bavaro the bad news. I guess he didn't give a shot when he played with a broken jaw.
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over players that celebrate. I think guys like Strahan and Beckham consistently make themselves look like fools, but as long as they perform and don't get penalized I don't care. I like football, not soap operas.
That said, anyone saying someone like Eli Manning plays with no emotion doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Just because he isn't insecure enough to prance around like a jackass doesn't mean he doesn't care or isn't emotionally invested.
Who said Bavaro and Eli do not play with emotion?
If you are referring to me..i was making the point that the same people ripping Beckham for Dancing and talking trash are the same people who claim a player is playing with no emotion...
I never once said playing with no emotion is a bad thing(if you are referring to me)
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Look, I've never been a fan of pre-planned celebrations, etc, but I have to say that with OBJ, a once an era player (seemingly), it is easy to get excited and back the guy. If we are results driven, he produces.
So we are supposed to take the word of a team that quit and wanted to cheap shot because it was over?
So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
Again, not saying he didn't do it, but I have seen nothing egregious yet.
My point is that dancing and talking trash aren't synonyms for emotion. They're just stupid, unoriginal, and generally lame. Look at me bullshit that you'd expect from a ten year old before he does a cannonball into a pool.
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Muhummad Ali and a multitude of highly driven, successful, championship athletes would disagree. We're talking about athletic competition at the highest levels. Emotion is going to show itself in different ways.
There is no one 'way' to be. Different people self-motivate in different ways. I always wonder why people who spend their lives watching sports don't recognize different types of personalities at work. Breaking it down to quiet guys = good, brash guys = bad is remarkably simple.
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So you are going to take the word of players who just committed 17 penalties against the Giants and 14 penalties the week before...
No, I'm going to take the word of the video tape. The video of the punch has been shown at least twice in this thread. And even if it was only one punch (not multiple), then that's still one punch too many, and completely unnecessary, and certain to draw a flag and an ejection if the refs catch him doing it.
Ok now I see it. That's barely a punch. He shouldn't have done it, it's stupid, and will earn you an ejection. He needs to get pulled aside and counseled. But really, everyone is getting their knickers in a bunch over that. I'm not even 100% sure he actually "punched" him, but it's certainly close enough to draw a flag.