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NFT: Francesa going balls deep on FanDuel/DraftKings

Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/6/2015 1:26 pm
Basically that if there's no oversight that the game is rigged, and the leagues and those taking advertising money should really think twice about what's going on because they are condoning it. Went into the efforts around horse racing oversight and that hackers are still trying to beat the system today (paramutual wagering). Both companies have declined to appear on the show.

He's right in this case - if you work for a CIB, you have to any stock purchases you want to make into a Compliance system to ensure you are not trading on privileged or proprietary information. Yet after millions on advertising and investment from ESPN and the NFL (Kraft and Jones are investors), there was no rule against playing in another daily league until the Times story. Baffling.

Best part is that Francesa took a subtle shot at the rest of his station, saying he didn't take money from them when others did (Beningo & Roberts, Carton).

Having the writer on now about the article.
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Greg  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/6/2015 3:55 pm : link
The worst part is that she actually sent it to less than 200 followers. The context of the stupid joke was lost when it was forwarded.
RE: RE: the Sacco bitch  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12530424 Greg from LI said:
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is a real piece of shit, huh?



Because she made a tasteless joke?


Yeah, maybe if she said it to a couple friends and not to the whole world on Twitter. Someone who does that doesn't get sympathy from me. She likely means it.
B  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/6/2015 3:56 pm : link
I don't tolerate racism either but I will not judge a person by one remark.
RE: As part of a mixed family  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12530519 B in ALB said:
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I have no tolerance for racism. Joking or not. There's some degree of hate and ignorance there. Sorry but I have no sympathy for her at all.


Some degree of hate? Really? You think that dumbass comment is "hate"? And it was serious enough that she should lose her job, get death threats, etc?
not sure why anyone would think that's a good idea  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2015 3:57 pm : link
regardless of private message or not. She's an idiot for posting that and I don't feel bad for her.
I can't fathom saying  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 3:58 pm : link
or typing that kind of madness in an attempt to be humorous. Not to mention her comments about Brits and the UK. Just no need for that kind of ignorance. Guess I'm weird that way.
I have been thinking some of the same things about these sites  
Matt M. : 10/6/2015 4:00 pm : link
the last couple of weeks. I think it is a conflict of interests for sports leagues to take their advertising money. Likewise, I think it is in poor taste for sports radio to be constantly advertising sports gambling sites (they also do ads for poker sites, etc.).
As for Sacco  
Matt M. : 10/6/2015 4:01 pm : link
I remember when that came out. It wasn't funny or in good taste than and it isn't now.
RE: I can't fathom saying  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 4:01 pm : link
In comment 12530540 B in ALB said:
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or typing that kind of madness in an attempt to be humorous. Not to mention her comments about Brits and the UK. Just no need for that kind of ignorance. Guess I'm weird that way.


No, you're just a hysteric who's blowing something exceedingly minor completely out of proportion.
Nope. Not a hysteric at all.  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 4:03 pm : link
I'm quite calm and confident in having no sympathy in this case.

Hysterics will come out in a couple weeks if Syracuse doesn't beat UVA.
now you're just speaking nonsense  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 4:04 pm : link
Your local high school JV team could beat UVA. Rest easy on that one.
regarding Sacco  
sshin05 : 10/6/2015 4:04 pm : link
Sacco is a nobody. She was a PR rep for a firm and she herself had barely any followers on twitter. A dude who had something against her employer, saw her bad/tasteless joke tweet and decided to retweet to his thousands of followers. No matter what she said, what she got wasn't deserved.
Enjoy it now, though  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 4:05 pm : link
because we're going to kick the everloving shit out of Cuse in basketball
I fully expect Cuse to shit the bed  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 4:05 pm : link
And me to lose my fucking mind.
I'm not sure why so many people put fantasy football  
MetsAreBack : 10/6/2015 4:05 pm : link
in the same conversation as Fanduel and DraftKings.

One is played among friends and co-workers, usually for minimal money and for bragging rights - the money and number of participants immaterial.

The other is organized gambling, with no more skill involved than picking teams and spreads.
You can't be a Public Relations professional  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 4:06 pm : link
and also tell AIDS/africa jokes in a public forum. Pick one.
RE: I fully expect Cuse to shit the bed  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12530571 B in ALB said:
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And me to lose my fucking mind.


We barely squeaked by Bill & Bitch, who aren't even all that good in FCS. A unranked Boise State completely humiliated us on our home field. The team is finally quitting on Detective Mike - have you heard that he used to be a cop? Dear god I wish he had never left the force to go into coaching.
I agree  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/6/2015 4:08 pm : link
it wasn't funny and was in poor taste. However, she wasn't a public figure and apparently has a poor sense of humor. She sent a stupid joke to 150 friends/followers and her life was ruined. It hardly seems like justice to me.
The Boise State game was so bad that BSU players called it  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 4:10 pm : link
"A scrimmage"
Bill & Bitch  
B in ALB : 10/6/2015 4:17 pm : link
That's pretty good. Hadn't heard that one.
it's old Hoo slang  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 4:21 pm : link
But, in our oh-so-sensitive current environment, it's now verboten because it demeans women or something. Whatever. Most B&B students are so damned high-strung anyway, pretty much anything would set them off. Talk about a pressure cooker - I applied to both schools, but the atmosphere around that place is frightening, a ton of people who get anxiety attacks if their grades slip a point or two.
Hmmm  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/6/2015 4:23 pm : link
My wife is a W&M alum.
then she'll know what I'm talking about  
Greg from LI : 10/6/2015 4:25 pm : link
It's a helluva school, but I didn't want to take my education quite that seriously.

Of course, the path my life has followed is probably a cautionary tale for what happens then, so I guess I was screwed either way.
She has many times  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/6/2015 4:27 pm : link
There was a lot of pressure. I had a somewhat different experience at a SUNY. :)
More fun from Mike...  
JohnF : 10/6/2015 4:29 pm : link
After being asked about NFL involvement, Mike goes on about the NFL owners not having a clue about Parimutuel betting.

Now, I can see a case for Jerry Jones and Danny Snyder not having a clue, but he ignores all the money Kraft has in Draft Kings...and how does he forget about the Maras (who grew up in the shadow of Racing at the Meadowlands, and who spent a lot of their time in Albany scooting up to Saratoga), and most importantly the Rooney family...all four brothers have owned race tracks!!!
RE: More fun from Mike...  
Victor in CT : 10/6/2015 4:31 pm : link
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After being asked about NFL involvement, Mike goes on about the NFL owners not having a clue about Parimutuel betting.

Now, I can see a case for Jerry Jones and Danny Snyder not having a clue, but he ignores all the money Kraft has in Draft Kings...and how does he forget about the Maras (who grew up in the shadow of Racing at the Meadowlands, and who spent a lot of their time in Albany scooting up to Saratoga), and most importantly the Rooney family...all four brothers have owned race tracks!!!


that's 2 out of 32. Most of them don't care as long as it puts money in their pockets
What are they going to do if Goodell  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/6/2015 4:39 pm : link
gets his wish of a London team? Are they going to allow betting in London - where you can walk into a parlor on the street and bet on a soccer game - but not in New Jersey?
Fantasy football is fun in a friends league for a few bucks  
Torrag : 10/6/2015 4:52 pm : link
You have to be a mental midget to put big money into it.
RE: What are they going to do if Goodell  
Victor in CT : 10/6/2015 5:00 pm : link
In comment 12530684 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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gets his wish of a London team? Are they going to allow betting in London - where you can walk into a parlor on the street and bet on a soccer game - but not in New Jersey?


Yet another reason to fire Goddell
RE: Oh I'm not overly concerned with the people who pour money into it  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/6/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12530467 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I'm just sick and tired of the pervasive, insidious and constant ads all over every bit of sports content. I don't spend time watching regular tv, so when I'm watching sports, all I get is hammered over the head with draftkings. Enough already.


Do you have the same intensity towards the erectile dysfunction ads?
Another Bill Burr clip...  
phil in arizona : 10/6/2015 5:20 pm : link
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Bill Burr - Complaint from Draft Kings (NSFW audio). - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Oh I'm not overly concerned with the people who pour money into it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 5:59 pm : link
In comment 12530743 BigBlueinChicago said:
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I'm just sick and tired of the pervasive, insidious and constant ads all over every bit of sports content. I don't spend time watching regular tv, so when I'm watching sports, all I get is hammered over the head with draftkings. Enough already.



Do you have the same intensity towards the erectile dysfunction ads?


I dislike drug ads too, but I think the gambling stuff has been incredibly overdone this year. It's not even close to me.
RE: RE: Oh I'm not overly concerned with the people who pour money into it  
jcn56 : 10/6/2015 6:15 pm : link
In comment 12530743 BigBlueinChicago said:
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I'm just sick and tired of the pervasive, insidious and constant ads all over every bit of sports content. I don't spend time watching regular tv, so when I'm watching sports, all I get is hammered over the head with draftkings. Enough already.



Do you have the same intensity towards the erectile dysfunction ads?


The first time I'm watching analysis on ESPN or the NFLN, and they integrate a Viagra ad with who they think today's fantasy players are going to be, that's when I'll put them in the same category.
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BigBlueinChicago : 10/6/2015 6:59 pm : link
In comment 12530823 jcn56 said:
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The first time I'm watching analysis on ESPN or the NFLN, and they integrate a Viagra ad with who they think today's fantasy players are going to be, that's when I'll put them in the same category.


Coming soon...

"This week's fantasy sleepers is being brought to you by Viagra.

Need a little boost? Visit your local drug store today."
RE: RE: Wow  
Deej : 10/6/2015 7:39 pm : link
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so an old man is ranting about a website? AFTER the news of insider abuse of information breaks? Really compelling.



mmm, this is a bigger story than that.


I know. Was more commenting on the fact that the thread is Francesa going off on these sites. The Sports Pope criticizing them at this point is meaningless. These sites are done or their customers are beyond stupid.
I agree with TTH  
Deej : 10/6/2015 7:45 pm : link
The abject volume of the ads for these two sites has been overwhelming. And you cant check your Yahoo fantasy team without clicking through the popup for Yahoo's similar draft/betting service.
RE: Slightly millering... but  
montanagiant : 10/6/2015 8:44 pm : link
In comment 12530213 phil in arizona said:
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Draft Kings used to advertise on Bill Burr's podcast. They pulled their ads because he kept on calling them a gambling website and not a "skills based game". He'd say things like, "Guys this can get pretty serious, so please only gamble with what you can afford to lose."

He lost it during one ad read where they said they were partners with MLB.

Here's the read. It's pretty good. Bill Burr Ad Read (NSFW language) - ( New Window )

Wow, that is a great link. You gotta love Burr, he basically demolishes his own sponsor
RE: RE: was talking to my friends the other day  
Boy Cord : 10/6/2015 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12530146 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.



Worth noting that DraftKings is heavily backed by Bob Kraft.


All the more reason to root for their demise. I agree with others on this thread. The NFL should not be involved as not only is this gambling, but it's fixed.

However, the greedy NFL knows where its bread is buttered and it's Fantasy Football. I would love the FF house of cards to fall as I'm tired of hearing about it and I'm tired of the impact it has on sports programming.
RE: RE: Regarding Sacco  
Boy Cord : 10/6/2015 9:51 pm : link
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That was actually a very sad deal. I feel for her. She made a stupid remark and paid dearly. Her story is worth checking out if you're interested.



It was a mob mentality at the time that destroyed someone's life. Public bashing/shaming is actually a thing. Link - ( New Window )


Damn. That was rough. This should be required reading for anyone that uses social media.
RE: RE: I'm so sick of hearing about FanDuel, Draftkings.  
Rick in Annapolis : 10/6/2015 9:53 pm : link
In comment 12530106 Victor in CT said:
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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?





definitely not alone


I stopped playing fantasy football about five years ago and don't miss it one bit. The time and energy I once put into seems silly now and I enjoy football more not caring about individual player performances.

Wow, this is REALLY taking off.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2015 10:12 pm : link
Daily fantasy’s day of reckoning is nigh. In addition to two congressional committees (the House Energy and Commerce Committee and House Judiciary Committee) and a federal agency (the FTC) looking into various parts of the industry, news broke tonight that the New York attorney general has opened a probe into the two players that control daily fantasy, DraftKings and FanDuel.

http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-letters-new-yorks-attorney-general-just-se-1735097526
RE: Wow, this is REALLY taking off.  
schabadoo : 10/6/2015 10:20 pm : link
In comment 12531234 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Daily fantasy’s day of reckoning is nigh. In addition to two congressional committees (the House Energy and Commerce Committee and House Judiciary Committee) and a federal agency (the FTC) looking into various parts of the industry, news broke tonight that the New York attorney general has opened a probe into the two players that control daily fantasy, DraftKings and FanDuel.

http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-letters-new-yorks-attorney-general-just-se-1735097526


If they get their hands on the account activity of the employees I think this really blows up. Apparently executives and employees all played on the other company's site and cleaned up. The big winner that keeps getting mentioned has some unreal win-rate in fantasy baseball. The thing that sticks out is that he used to play before he worked for the company and never won. Now he wins constantly.
I still don't understand how from the beginning  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/7/2015 8:27 am : link
management at each company could allow their employees to play at the other site - the data was always likely going to be the same with some slight variances. They were profiting off of market data. It's a close relative to insider trading.

Nice to see Craig Carton - a paid spokesperson for Fanduel - give a defense of the company today and claiming it's not gambling but a game of skill because the big pot was one due to the Seahawks/Lions fumble. Completely ignoring the data leak, etc.
Probably best to ignore Cartoon in most instances  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/7/2015 8:32 am : link
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RE: RE: Wow, this is REALLY taking off.  
schabadoo : 10/7/2015 2:29 pm : link
In comment 12531247 schabadoo said:
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In comment 12531234 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Daily fantasy’s day of reckoning is nigh. In addition to two congressional committees (the House Energy and Commerce Committee and House Judiciary Committee) and a federal agency (the FTC) looking into various parts of the industry, news broke tonight that the New York attorney general has opened a probe into the two players that control daily fantasy, DraftKings and FanDuel.

http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-letters-new-yorks-attorney-general-just-se-1735097526



If they get their hands on the account activity of the employees I think this really blows up. Apparently executives and employees all played on the other company's site and cleaned up. The big winner that keeps getting mentioned has some unreal win-rate in fantasy baseball. The thing that sticks out is that he used to play before he worked for the company and never won. Now he wins constantly.


Looks like it's already out: "DraftKings employees reportedly won nearly $6 million playing daily fantasy sports at rival FanDuel"
Yahoo article - ( New Window )
schabadoo  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/7/2015 8:23 pm : link
this $6 million that is being reported is overblown as it likely refers to gross winnings and not net winnings.

Most of the top sharks on DFS-- the ones who play hundred of lineups-- are grinders and their goal is a positive ROI. The common number that players aim for in 50/50 contests is a 60% winning percentage which comes out to a 7-8% ROI after the site takes its cut.

Many of these top players who have reportedly won several million dollars have also spent several million dollars entering these contests.

When the "net" winnings and their ROIs are reported, then it'll be noteworthy.
The fact they confirmed millions were going to employees is something  
schabadoo : 10/7/2015 9:22 pm : link
On top of the $350k winner with the early data dump, and it's terrible from a PR perspective.
RE: I still don't understand how from the beginning  
Matt M. : 10/7/2015 10:23 pm : link
In comment 12531618 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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management at each company could allow their employees to play at the other site - the data was always likely going to be the same with some slight variances. They were profiting off of market data. It's a close relative to insider trading.

Nice to see Craig Carton - a paid spokesperson for Fanduel - give a defense of the company today and claiming it's not gambling but a game of skill because the big pot was one due to the Seahawks/Lions fumble. Completely ignoring the data leak, etc.
Maybe because Carton's a degenerate gambler himself. I find it disgusting that WFAN allows him to talk about his gambling openly ALL the time s if it's all fun.
RE: Nothing is worse than those 'Flo' commercials.  
Sonic Youth : 10/7/2015 10:47 pm : link
In comment 12530491 Dave in Hoboken said:
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God awful.

I cannot understand how there is a market for these commercials. It's probably the same people who love the Big Bang Theory.
RE: schabadoo  
Sonic Youth : 10/7/2015 10:48 pm : link
In comment 12533315 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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this $6 million that is being reported is overblown as it likely refers to gross winnings and not net winnings.

Most of the top sharks on DFS-- the ones who play hundred of lineups-- are grinders and their goal is a positive ROI. The common number that players aim for in 50/50 contests is a 60% winning percentage which comes out to a 7-8% ROI after the site takes its cut.

Many of these top players who have reportedly won several million dollars have also spent several million dollars entering these contests.

When the "net" winnings and their ROIs are reported, then it'll be noteworthy.

I've read a few articles with "professional DFS players" who generally have said they make about 6%.

I hope they regulate DFS a little better, but find a way to avoid banning it altogether.
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