Basically that if there's no oversight that the game is rigged, and the leagues and those taking advertising money should really think twice about what's going on because they are condoning it. Went into the efforts around horse racing oversight and that hackers are still trying to beat the system today (paramutual wagering). Both companies have declined to appear on the show.
He's right in this case - if you work for a CIB, you have to any stock purchases you want to make into a Compliance system to ensure you are not trading on privileged or proprietary information. Yet after millions on advertising and investment from ESPN and the NFL (Kraft and Jones are investors), there was no rule against playing in another daily league until the Times story. Baffling.
Best part is that Francesa took a subtle shot at the rest of his station, saying he didn't take money from them when others did (Beningo & Roberts, Carton).
Having the writer on now about the article.
Nope, but we're definitely in the minority.
Not at all, Its ruining the actual game and has ruined sports analysis for many years now
definitely not alone
Had to miss a bunch for the work call. Sorry.
so why are you commenting on a thread about it?
Actually Mike has been on this for sometime, saying that it is gambling no matter how you slice it.
Worth noting that DraftKings is heavily backed by Bob Kraft.
The NFL is profiting from this - maybe not directly, but if the majority of their revenues come from the TV contracts, and the TV contracts are driven by advertising, and the advertising is coming largely from sites like these, then...
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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?
so why are you commenting on a thread about it?
Because I'm asking a question of the community. Why would you have an issue with that?
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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?
so why are you commenting on a thread about it?
Because I'm asking a question of the community. Why would you have an issue with that?
Definitely not alone. Make believe watered down nonsense.
Oh and Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones are involved in improprieties? Noooooo! I don't believe it!
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so why are you commenting on a thread about it?
Because with their constant advertising and apparent lack of oversight expressing dislike for them is a valid opinion? It's not like he's alone, several people have agreed with his statement.
Personally, I think the original "Fantasy Football" (end of the season winner take all) had limited abuse / fraud possibilities.
FanDuel/DraftKings seems to take this to another level with the "weekly teams". I guess they think since you're not betting on full NFL teams, it can't really affect the outcome of a game. I think they are wrong.
I can envision (if it hasn't happened already) a head coach pulling his star QB, WR and / or RB after his team is up by 3 TDs mid fourth quarter to avoid injury and having local fans boo because they have their home team QB, WR or RB on their fantasy / FanDuel/Draft King team.
There is A LOT of money at stake here, but I can see this blowing up in the NFL owners' faces.
I also think it has diluted the quality of the conversation about football in general. In my office area, I hear people who used to talk about games now only talk about their fantasy teams.
And they couldn't be betting with a bookie illegally and doing the same thing?
He lost it during one ad read where they said they were partners with MLB.
Here's the read. It's pretty good.
Bill Burr Ad Read (NSFW language) - ( New Window )
I also think it has diluted the quality of the conversation about football in general. In my office area, I hear people who used to talk about games now only talk about their fantasy teams.
Couldn't agree more. I don't even care if I sound like an elitist, but there's nothing more annoying than an "NFL fan" who can name damn near every skill player in the league but can't hold a coversation about the basics of the game. I work with the perfect example: guys is a "huge" football fan but has a favorite AFC team, a favorite NFC team, and on numerous occasions so far this year has made comments regarding team records that would indicate he believes the NFL plays a 14 game season.
That's not a fan. That's a customer.
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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?
so why are you commenting on a thread about it?
Because with their constant advertising and apparent lack of oversight expressing dislike for them is a valid opinion? It's not like he's alone, several people have agreed with his statement.
that's not how it was presented, but sorry for being harsh.
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that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.
The NFL is profiting from this - maybe not directly, but if the majority of their revenues come from the TV contracts, and the TV contracts are driven by advertising, and the advertising is coming largely from sites like these, then...
Yeah that's my point, i can't believe they aren't taking a stand against it. They protect their brand as securely as any in the sports world. They are opening themselves up to a lot of scrutiny when the gambling thing goes south, which it will.
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that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.
The NFL is profiting from this - maybe not directly, but if the majority of their revenues come from the TV contracts, and the TV contracts are driven by advertising, and the advertising is coming largely from sites like these, then...
Yeah that's my point, i can't believe they aren't taking a stand against it. They protect their brand as securely as any in the sports world. They are opening themselves up to a lot of scrutiny when the gambling thing goes south, which it will.
Here's what's hilarious: Nothing on ESPN today about daily fantasy other than a article from "news sources". Usually the front page has been plastered with Draftkings promos. The network has a relationship and investment in DraftKings - DraftKings is ESPN's exclusive daily fantasy provider. Good times!
http://www.sportingnews.com/fantasy/nfl/story/2015-10-06/espn-draftkings-daily-fantasy-sports-ads-sponsorship-insider-trading-data-breach-fanduel
"ESPN today continued running commercials for the two main daily sports fantasy companies, but has removed sponsored elements from within shows," Ley said, before throwing it to the panel for further discussion.
ESPN's step back from the onslaught of DFS content in its programs comes on the heels of DraftKings employee Ethan Haskell making headlines for a data breach regarding player ownership heading into Week 3. The news has sparked renewed concern over regulation in the DFS industry and how the rapidly growing sites are policing themselves.
mmm, this is a bigger story than that.
Dustin Gouker @DustinGouker 1h1 hour ago
OTL says DraftKings, FanDuel and ESPN corporate all declined a chance to appear on the show.
Never understood how Disney of all companies would rabidly throw money at gambling. It's like everyone on the planet is playing braindead that they're supporting legal, unregulated gambling.
She made this comment when flying to South Africa:
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If there is a better way to get fans interested in a meaningless game between two out of it teams, let me know.
Because she made a tasteless joke?
How about Mike and the Mad Dog "goin' at it as hard as they can"?
She made this comment when flying to South Africa:
I remember that lady. And the hits keep on coming.
It shouldn't turn into that argument though. The problem with this draftkings stuff is that they go out of their way to say it's NOT gambling so they can get away with an immense mainstream public presence and aren't subject to any kind of oversight.
When's the last time you've seen Caesar's Palace get a sponsored segment on ESPN.
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It shouldn't turn into that argument though. The problem with this draftkings stuff is that they go out of their way to say it's NOT gambling so they can get away with an immense mainstream public presence and aren't subject to any kind of oversight.
When's the last time you've seen Caesar's Palace get a sponsored segment on ESPN.
The way they say it is not gambling is because they are not betting on the final score, they are betting on individual stats...so absically they can say look there is no money placed on the final score so it is techinically not gambling..
Truth is, money is on the line it is gambling any way you shape it, and i am one who has 2 fantasy football leagues and i use draftkings...
Nope. I love the sport. Played one year for free with my son but what a waste of time. And their commercials are starting to annoy me. Every other one it seems
The same business that will ban players for life for gambling wants you to sign up and not-gamble with their daily fantasy sports game. with money.
"RIGHT THERE!"
Having said that, I agree with Greg. I don't feel for the suckers who lose money at it.
It was a mob mentality at the time that destroyed someone's life. Public bashing/shaming is actually a thing.
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Yes. When something that wasn't funny the first time is thrown in your face for the hundredth time...well.
That was a fascinating story. Someone (Dunedin81?) posted it here a while ago, and it prompted a very thought-provoking discussion.
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that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.
The NFL is not protective of their brand. They are protective of their cut of the action. They would license their brand for toilet paper and outhouses if they got paid for it.
Under Goodell, the NFL has become an extremely greedy entity. They view themselves as upstanding citizens and expect their players to be that way, but can't live themselves in that regard.
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That was actually a very sad deal. I feel for her. She made a stupid remark and paid dearly. Her story is worth checking out if you're interested.
That was a fascinating story. Someone (Dunedin81?) posted it here a while ago, and it prompted a very thought-provoking discussion.
Here it is again. Social media is largely comprised of useless, spiteful losers.
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Why even say it to begin with.
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That was actually a very sad deal. I feel for her. She made a stupid remark and paid dearly. Her story is worth checking out if you're interested.
That was a fascinating story. Someone (Dunedin81?) posted it here a while ago, and it prompted a very thought-provoking discussion.
Actually i did earlier this year. But there are numerous stories that this happened to that we all have forgotten about. I've linked a podcast from NPR about this phenomenon.
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No, she's just someone who had her life ruined by an awkward attempt at humor. Here's what the guy who ruined her life had to say after finally getting to meet her in person:
But it's awesome to judge people we don't know because of something they said in social media and turn them into monster to prove what righteous warriors we are.
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is a real piece of shit, huh?
Because she made a tasteless joke?
Yeah, maybe if she said it to a couple friends and not to the whole world on Twitter. Someone who does that doesn't get sympathy from me. She likely means it.
Some degree of hate? Really? You think that dumbass comment is "hate"? And it was serious enough that she should lose her job, get death threats, etc?
No, you're just a hysteric who's blowing something exceedingly minor completely out of proportion.
Hysterics will come out in a couple weeks if Syracuse doesn't beat UVA.
One is played among friends and co-workers, usually for minimal money and for bragging rights - the money and number of participants immaterial.
The other is organized gambling, with no more skill involved than picking teams and spreads.
We barely squeaked by Bill & Bitch, who aren't even all that good in FCS. A unranked Boise State completely humiliated us on our home field. The team is finally quitting on Detective Mike - have you heard that he used to be a cop? Dear god I wish he had never left the force to go into coaching.
Of course, the path my life has followed is probably a cautionary tale for what happens then, so I guess I was screwed either way.
Now, I can see a case for Jerry Jones and Danny Snyder not having a clue, but he ignores all the money Kraft has in Draft Kings...and how does he forget about the Maras (who grew up in the shadow of Racing at the Meadowlands, and who spent a lot of their time in Albany scooting up to Saratoga), and most importantly the Rooney family...all four brothers have owned race tracks!!!
Now, I can see a case for Jerry Jones and Danny Snyder not having a clue, but he ignores all the money Kraft has in Draft Kings...and how does he forget about the Maras (who grew up in the shadow of Racing at the Meadowlands, and who spent a lot of their time in Albany scooting up to Saratoga), and most importantly the Rooney family...all four brothers have owned race tracks!!!
that's 2 out of 32. Most of them don't care as long as it puts money in their pockets
Yet another reason to fire Goddell
Do you have the same intensity towards the erectile dysfunction ads?
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I'm just sick and tired of the pervasive, insidious and constant ads all over every bit of sports content. I don't spend time watching regular tv, so when I'm watching sports, all I get is hammered over the head with draftkings. Enough already.
Do you have the same intensity towards the erectile dysfunction ads?
I dislike drug ads too, but I think the gambling stuff has been incredibly overdone this year. It's not even close to me.
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I'm just sick and tired of the pervasive, insidious and constant ads all over every bit of sports content. I don't spend time watching regular tv, so when I'm watching sports, all I get is hammered over the head with draftkings. Enough already.
Do you have the same intensity towards the erectile dysfunction ads?
The first time I'm watching analysis on ESPN or the NFLN, and they integrate a Viagra ad with who they think today's fantasy players are going to be, that's when I'll put them in the same category.
Coming soon...
"This week's fantasy sleepers is being brought to you by Viagra.
Need a little boost? Visit your local drug store today."
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so an old man is ranting about a website? AFTER the news of insider abuse of information breaks? Really compelling.
mmm, this is a bigger story than that.
I know. Was more commenting on the fact that the thread is Francesa going off on these sites. The Sports Pope criticizing them at this point is meaningless. These sites are done or their customers are beyond stupid.
He lost it during one ad read where they said they were partners with MLB.
Here's the read. It's pretty good. Bill Burr Ad Read (NSFW language) - ( New Window )
Wow, that is a great link. You gotta love Burr, he basically demolishes his own sponsor
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that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.
Worth noting that DraftKings is heavily backed by Bob Kraft.
All the more reason to root for their demise. I agree with others on this thread. The NFL should not be involved as not only is this gambling, but it's fixed.
However, the greedy NFL knows where its bread is buttered and it's Fantasy Football. I would love the FF house of cards to fall as I'm tired of hearing about it and I'm tired of the impact it has on sports programming.
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Damn. That was rough. This should be required reading for anyone that uses social media.
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definitely not alone
I stopped playing fantasy football about five years ago and don't miss it one bit. The time and energy I once put into seems silly now and I enjoy football more not caring about individual player performances.
http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-letters-new-yorks-attorney-general-just-se-1735097526
http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-letters-new-yorks-attorney-general-just-se-1735097526
If they get their hands on the account activity of the employees I think this really blows up. Apparently executives and employees all played on the other company's site and cleaned up. The big winner that keeps getting mentioned has some unreal win-rate in fantasy baseball. The thing that sticks out is that he used to play before he worked for the company and never won. Now he wins constantly.
Nice to see Craig Carton - a paid spokesperson for Fanduel - give a defense of the company today and claiming it's not gambling but a game of skill because the big pot was one due to the Seahawks/Lions fumble. Completely ignoring the data leak, etc.
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Daily fantasys day of reckoning is nigh. In addition to two congressional committees (the House Energy and Commerce Committee and House Judiciary Committee) and a federal agency (the FTC) looking into various parts of the industry, news broke tonight that the New York attorney general has opened a probe into the two players that control daily fantasy, DraftKings and FanDuel.
http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-letters-new-yorks-attorney-general-just-se-1735097526
If they get their hands on the account activity of the employees I think this really blows up. Apparently executives and employees all played on the other company's site and cleaned up. The big winner that keeps getting mentioned has some unreal win-rate in fantasy baseball. The thing that sticks out is that he used to play before he worked for the company and never won. Now he wins constantly.
Looks like it's already out: "DraftKings employees reportedly won nearly $6 million playing daily fantasy sports at rival FanDuel"
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Most of the top sharks on DFS-- the ones who play hundred of lineups-- are grinders and their goal is a positive ROI. The common number that players aim for in 50/50 contests is a 60% winning percentage which comes out to a 7-8% ROI after the site takes its cut.
Many of these top players who have reportedly won several million dollars have also spent several million dollars entering these contests.
When the "net" winnings and their ROIs are reported, then it'll be noteworthy.
Nice to see Craig Carton - a paid spokesperson for Fanduel - give a defense of the company today and claiming it's not gambling but a game of skill because the big pot was one due to the Seahawks/Lions fumble. Completely ignoring the data leak, etc.
I cannot understand how there is a market for these commercials. It's probably the same people who love the Big Bang Theory.
Most of the top sharks on DFS-- the ones who play hundred of lineups-- are grinders and their goal is a positive ROI. The common number that players aim for in 50/50 contests is a 60% winning percentage which comes out to a 7-8% ROI after the site takes its cut.
Many of these top players who have reportedly won several million dollars have also spent several million dollars entering these contests.
When the "net" winnings and their ROIs are reported, then it'll be noteworthy.
I've read a few articles with "professional DFS players" who generally have said they make about 6%.
I hope they regulate DFS a little better, but find a way to avoid banning it altogether.