NFT: Francesa going balls deep on FanDuel/DraftKings

it's like seeing Warren Buffet's stock picks before he makes it.

with these rackets weeks ago, and will likely now destroy Francesa for suddenly becoming the voice of the people about it. Good times

and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?

In comment 12530091 DC Gmen Fan said:

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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?

Nope, but we're definitely in the minority.

so an old man is ranting about a website? AFTER the news of insider abuse of information breaks? Really compelling.

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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?

Not at all, Its ruining the actual game and has ruined sports analysis for many years now

but the advertising is so constant that I hope they go under and disappear.

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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?

definitely not alone

Need to find the equivalent of a Giuliani to fix the system like they did for horse racing.

Had to miss a bunch for the work call. Sorry.

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and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone?

so why are you commenting on a thread about it?

In comment 12530088 mfsd said:

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with these rackets weeks ago, and will likely now destroy Francesa for suddenly becoming the voice of the people about it. Good times

Actually Mike has been on this for sometime, saying that it is gambling no matter how you slice it.

that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.

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that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.

Worth noting that DraftKings is heavily backed by Bob Kraft.

Everyone who plays the game and has success at it thinks they know "something" about managing a team, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

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that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time.

The NFL is profiting from this - maybe not directly, but if the majority of their revenues come from the TV contracts, and the TV contracts are driven by advertising, and the advertising is coming largely from sites like these, then...

In comment 12530122 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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In comment 12530091 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone? so why are you commenting on a thread about it?

Because I'm asking a question of the community. Why would you have an issue with that?

He is raising his voice over the issue. As I said it's a wrap. Once he gets into a story...I expect to see some state AGs getting involve now.

In comment 12530159 DC Gmen Fan said:

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In comment 12530122 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said: Quote: In comment 12530091 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone? so why are you commenting on a thread about it? Because I'm asking a question of the community. Why would you have an issue with that?

Definitely not alone. Make believe watered down nonsense.

Oh and Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones are involved in improprieties? Noooooo! I don't believe it!

In comment 12530122 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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In comment 12530091 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone? so why are you commenting on a thread about it?

Because with their constant advertising and apparent lack of oversight expressing dislike for them is a valid opinion? It's not like he's alone, several people have agreed with his statement.

No, you are not alone. Particularly the FanDuel/DraftKings stuff.

Personally, I think the original "Fantasy Football" (end of the season winner take all) had limited abuse / fraud possibilities.

FanDuel/DraftKings seems to take this to another level with the "weekly teams". I guess they think since you're not betting on full NFL teams, it can't really affect the outcome of a game. I think they are wrong.

I can envision (if it hasn't happened already) a head coach pulling his star QB, WR and / or RB after his team is up by 3 TDs mid fourth quarter to avoid injury and having local fans boo because they have their home team QB, WR or RB on their fantasy / FanDuel/Draft King team.

There is A LOT of money at stake here, but I can see this blowing up in the NFL owners' faces.

I also think it has diluted the quality of the conversation about football in general. In my office area, I hear people who used to talk about games now only talk about their fantasy teams.

Definitely an image I didn't need in my head.

I guess there are advantages for having him around for so long. He can criticize a sponsor and get away with it in a way someone more junior would not dare. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of DraftKings and their ilk.

Pete Rose paid a price for gambling. Are we naive enough to think key people aren't playing this? People with the ability to influence outcomes?

In comment 12530191 DC Gmen Fan said:

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Pete Rose paid a price for gambling. Are we naive enough to think key people aren't playing this? People with the ability to influence outcomes?

And they couldn't be betting with a bookie illegally and doing the same thing?

Draft Kings used to advertise on Bill Burr's podcast. They pulled their ads because he kept on calling them a gambling website and not a "skills based game". He'd say things like, "Guys this can get pretty serious, so please only gamble with what you can afford to lose."

He lost it during one ad read where they said they were partners with MLB.

Here's the read. It's pretty good.
Bill Burr Ad Read (NSFW language) - ( New Window )

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I also think it has diluted the quality of the conversation about football in general. In my office area, I hear people who used to talk about games now only talk about their fantasy teams.

Couldn't agree more. I don't even care if I sound like an elitist, but there's nothing more annoying than an "NFL fan" who can name damn near every skill player in the league but can't hold a coversation about the basics of the game. I work with the perfect example: guys is a "huge" football fan but has a favorite AFC team, a favorite NFC team, and on numerous occasions so far this year has made comments regarding team records that would indicate he believes the NFL plays a 14 game season.

That's not a fan. That's a customer.

of the commercials ramming down your throats. Hope it goes away.

In comment 12530172 j_rud said:

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In comment 12530122 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said: Quote: In comment 12530091 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: and Fantasy Football in general. Am I alone? so why are you commenting on a thread about it? Because with their constant advertising and apparent lack of oversight expressing dislike for them is a valid opinion? It's not like he's alone, several people have agreed with his statement.

that's not how it was presented, but sorry for being harsh.

Why? Because it drives so much traffic to their product. People watching every game to see if their player gets them points. So every game counts and is interesting. It's genious marketing for the NFL and gambling for the sites.

"Hackers are hacking the Pentagon! You're telling me they are not going to go after FanDuel!"

At all if players and refs and owner's are playing this, and if they are then it should be illegal without any question, it is sport betting, and also if it is allowed, then the Pete Rose suspension is a bunch of shit. You can not have it both ways and get away with it, they are going to ruin the goose that laid the golden egg, it's only a matter of time. Whenever money is involved it has the potential to be an issue.

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In comment 12530135 UConn4523 said: Quote: that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time. The NFL is profiting from this - maybe not directly, but if the majority of their revenues come from the TV contracts, and the TV contracts are driven by advertising, and the advertising is coming largely from sites like these, then...

Yeah that's my point, i can't believe they aren't taking a stand against it. They protect their brand as securely as any in the sports world. They are opening themselves up to a lot of scrutiny when the gambling thing goes south, which it will.

at all. They are capitalizing on sports betting that revolves around weekly lineups. Seems like common sense to me. I'm just surprised they are taking the risk.

In comment 12530326 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 12530154 jcn56 said: Quote: In comment 12530135 UConn4523 said: Quote: that i'm shocked the NFL is aligning themselves with these sites. For as protective of their brand that they are, I can't see the ad revenue being worth it for them. These sites are going down and its only a matter of time. The NFL is profiting from this - maybe not directly, but if the majority of their revenues come from the TV contracts, and the TV contracts are driven by advertising, and the advertising is coming largely from sites like these, then... Yeah that's my point, i can't believe they aren't taking a stand against it. They protect their brand as securely as any in the sports world. They are opening themselves up to a lot of scrutiny when the gambling thing goes south, which it will.

Here's what's hilarious: Nothing on ESPN today about daily fantasy other than a article from "news sources". Usually the front page has been plastered with Draftkings promos. The network has a relationship and investment in DraftKings - DraftKings is ESPN's exclusive daily fantasy provider. Good times!

Funny you noticed that.

http://www.sportingnews.com/fantasy/nfl/story/2015-10-06/espn-draftkings-daily-fantasy-sports-ads-sponsorship-insider-trading-data-breach-fanduel


"ESPN today continued running commercials for the two main daily sports fantasy companies, but has removed sponsored elements from within shows," Ley said, before throwing it to the panel for further discussion.

ESPN's step back from the onslaught of DFS content in its programs comes on the heels of DraftKings employee Ethan Haskell making headlines for a data breach regarding player ownership heading into Week 3. The news has sparked renewed concern over regulation in the DFS industry and how the rapidly growing sites are policing themselves.

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so an old man is ranting about a website? AFTER the news of insider abuse of information breaks? Really compelling.

mmm, this is a bigger story than that.

ESPN removes draftkings sponsored segments. Bob Ley hosted an Outside the Lines show on this topic but not even ESPN Corporate agreed to appear.

Dustin Gouker ‏@DustinGouker 1h1 hour ago
OTL says DraftKings, FanDuel and ESPN corporate all declined a chance to appear on the show.

probably a tip of the iceberg. I'm sure the 4 weeks of revenue since the season started was worth it...

this summer for marketing and whatnot.

Never understood how Disney of all companies would rabidly throw money at gambling. It's like everyone on the planet is playing braindead that they're supporting legal, unregulated gambling.

piece of trash works in PR for Fan Duel.

She made this comment when flying to South Africa:

This decision by the Worldwide Leader to move away from sponsored daily fantasy content on their shows is a substantial and notable change. As outgoing ombudsman Robert Lipsyte (who they still haven�t replaced, which is really unfortunate during this daily fantasy saga) remarked last December, there is no ideology at ESPN other than the bottom line, and cutting back on sponsored content is likely to hurt that bottom line in at least the short term. The thinking must be that daily fantasy�s growing controversial enough and receiving enough pushback (from everyone from viewers to congressman) that moving away from the most-blatant promotions of it may help the network in the long run. As former ESPN employee Colin Cowherd pointed out recently, Bristol and its corporate parents at Disney have often been very conservative on the gambling front, so sponsored segments were a departure from the norm for them in the first place.

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is a real piece of shit, huh?

And if you remember, there was the recent controversy that Matthew Berry mentioned DraftKings a crazy amount of times in an ESPN article because he is a paid spokesman. Guess he's not a fantasy "journalist" because there's no ethics here.
Link - ( New Window )

Come December, you think there is a better way to get people interested in the outcome of two teams that are lets say 2-10 and no shot at any interesting games? The teams want people talking about the games and the players and watching the games, so do the networks, so does ESPN...

If there is a better way to get fans interested in a meaningless game between two out of it teams, let me know.

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is a real piece of shit, huh?

Because she made a tasteless joke?

In comment 12530181 Greg from LI said:

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Definitely an image I didn't need in my head.

How about Mike and the Mad Dog "goin' at it as hard as they can"?

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piece of trash works in PR for Fan Duel. She made this comment when flying to South Africa:

I remember that lady. And the hits keep on coming.

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It shouldn't turn into that argument though. The problem with this draftkings stuff is that they go out of their way to say it's NOT gambling so they can get away with an immense mainstream public presence and aren't subject to any kind of oversight.

When's the last time you've seen Caesar's Palace get a sponsored segment on ESPN.

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In comment 12530416 Greg from LI said: Quote: . It shouldn't turn into that argument though. The problem with this draftkings stuff is that they go out of their way to say it's NOT gambling so they can get away with an immense mainstream public presence and aren't subject to any kind of oversight. When's the last time you've seen Caesar's Palace get a sponsored segment on ESPN.

The way they say it is not gambling is because they are not betting on the final score, they are betting on individual stats...so absically they can say look there is no money placed on the final score so it is techinically not gambling..

Truth is, money is on the line it is gambling any way you shape it, and i am one who has 2 fantasy football leagues and i use draftkings...