NFT: Where is Matt Harvey?

...you don't just dismiss other developments that have swirled around him. He knows he is in the spotlight and there couldn't be a worse time for him to have yet another incident occur. He deserves the negative press and response he's getting. It's a good thing he has a million dollar arm because as his career unfolds it appears he may have a ten cent head.

In comment 12531421 sshin05 said:

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isnt the first met to miss practice. Just happens at the wrong time esp after the while innings limit fiasco.

Exactly. Lousy timing. Zero correlation to it however.

of Harvey making bad decisions. It's not. But you are obviously free to feel the way you do. All I know is that if i were under as much heat as he is, I'm sure as shit not going to "forget what time it is" for the first practice of the biggest series of his life. It speaks to his character.

You may like to simplify this as "hey, he was just late to a meeting out of hundreds of meetings...no biggie" but it's not that simple. Otherwise it wouldn't be a story.

In comment 12531421 sshin05 said:

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isnt the first met to miss practice. Just happens at the wrong time esp after the while innings limit fiasco.

Again, it's nice to oversimplify things to support your point.

This is just another fuck up in a long line of poor decisions. Not to biggest deal on its own...but it certainly doesn't show that he learns anything nor does he really give a fuck.

I really don't know. There's the innings limit nonsense which he clearly is going against anyway and.... ??

he got fat?

As stupid as that'd be it's better than not knowing what time it is. Jesus. This is a 26 year old man who is a professional athlete. I can't even fathom how it's possible to be a pro athlete and have a mandatory workout scheduled by your professional sports franchise employer and not know what time it is. I mean this isn't some Joe Schmo forgetting he had a dentist appointment today.

every single person on BBI has been late to work or something once in their life and said they were stuck in traffic or lost track of time, overslept, ect. If it was a pattern it would certainly be alarming, but one isolated instance out of hundreds of chances?

but I guess you can downplay that season long charade also. His constant battle with the media, his middle finger pic, etc. All these things, while not that bad on their own, they all add up and just continue to happen. Like I said, it just points to his character or lack there of. He doesn't learn from his mistakes. I couldn't give a fuck that he was late to a meeting. What bugs me is that he should have known better than to "forget what time it was" on the first day of preparing for the biggest series of his life. This isn't some spring training practice we are talking about. I know you disagree. That's fine, but I do to have to like it.

Every single person on BBI doesn't play professional baseball for a living. And more importantly than that every other person on that team managed to not get stuck in traffic and/or not lose track of the time. That's incredibly amazing. And by the way have you settled on which of those two excuses from Harvey you believe?

In comment 12531457 ZGiants98 said:

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every single person on BBI has been late to work or something once in their life and said they were stuck in traffic or lost track of time, overslept, ect. If it was a pattern it would certainly be alarming, but one isolated instance out of hundreds of chances?

Good lord, whatever. You are obviously going to just defend the hell out of him so this discussion is just useless.

Yes, I have been late to work in the past. Have I ever been late to any meetings or work days when I have to prepare for big presentations? Fuck no, I get to that shit on time. Have I ever blown off meetings because I just "forgot the time"? Fuck no, I'm an adult and have respect for what I do and who I work with.

But to satisfy your point, yes, I have been late to work...even though that comparison is weak, if not completely inaccurate.

In comment 12531466 moespree said:

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Every single person on BBI doesn't play professional baseball for a living. And more importantly than that every other person on that team managed to not get stuck in traffic and/or not lose track of the time. That's incredibly amazing. And by the way have you settled on which of those two excuses from Harvey you believe?

Again. Countless Mets players have missed practices before. Its only a story because Harvey is the new media love villain.

Like I said. Im not condoning it. He should have been there. But being his only offense, I dont see the big deal. You guys want to rake him over the coals for it? Sure. Go for it.

In comment 12531470 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 12531457 ZGiants98 said: Quote: every single person on BBI has been late to work or something once in their life and said they were stuck in traffic or lost track of time, overslept, ect. If it was a pattern it would certainly be alarming, but one isolated instance out of hundreds of chances? Good lord, whatever. You are obviously going to just defend the hell out of him so this discussion is just useless. Yes, I have been late to work in the past. Have I ever been late to any meetings or work days when I have to prepare for big presentations? Fuck no, I get to that shit on time. Have I ever blown off meetings because I just "forgot the time"? Fuck no, I'm an adult and have respect for what I do and who I work with. But to satisfy your point, yes, I have been late to work...even though that comparison is weak, if not completely inaccurate.

That wasn't even a response to you. And to your earlier point, I don't know what your referring to when you say his "media battles". Since when was this? His middle finger picture was a "fuck a ligament tear, Im going to be fine" picture and he removed it that day. man. These are his worst offenses??

being late to your "study session" in preparation for your presentation. Missing the "presentation" would be him not showing up for Game 3. lol.

In comment 12531475 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12531470 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: In comment 12531457 ZGiants98 said: Quote: every single person on BBI has been late to work or something once in their life and said they were stuck in traffic or lost track of time, overslept, ect. If it was a pattern it would certainly be alarming, but one isolated instance out of hundreds of chances? Good lord, whatever. You are obviously going to just defend the hell out of him so this discussion is just useless. Yes, I have been late to work in the past. Have I ever been late to any meetings or work days when I have to prepare for big presentations? Fuck no, I get to that shit on time. Have I ever blown off meetings because I just "forgot the time"? Fuck no, I'm an adult and have respect for what I do and who I work with. But to satisfy your point, yes, I have been late to work...even though that comparison is weak, if not completely inaccurate. That wasn't even a response to you. And to your earlier point, I don't know what your referring to when you say his "media battles". Since when was this? His middle finger picture was a "fuck a ligament tear, Im going to be fine" picture and he removed it that day. man. These are his worst offenses??

Well, I find it hard to believe to don't know what I'm referring to with "media battles" since they were big stories and there were threads here on BBI that you specifically posted on, but whatever. I guess you can forget. And the middle finger pic...who gives a shit really. My point is that with all these instances creating heat around him, he never learns.

Listen, you can get a sudden case of amnesia and act like this is the first thing that has created controversy around Harvey...a first offense. And I can act like this is a guy that doesn't learn from his mistakes and really doesn't give a shit.

What media battles? Did he tell somebody off? Was he extremely rude with somebody Im unaware of? Rubin? Sherman?? Im imagining that would have been pretty big news. There would definitely be an easy quote for you to find.

Its not even you Phi. I just think this is happening with a lot of people right now. People have built this huge case up against Harvey and Im not seeing it. The innings cap lasted a whole 24 hours and he immediately rectified it and anyone with a brain knew a cap of some sort was coming anyway. Boras was the culprit in making that situation worst IMO and Harvey pitched 190 innings anyway and is now pitching in the postseason.

In my personal opinion, this goes back to his Dark Knight video when he said he grew up a Yankee fan and didn't answer distinctly that he wanted to remain a Met in 4 years and may test free agency. People were done with Harvey that very moment which is ridiculous IMO.

In 3 years now, what has he done?

1.) Took a picture on drugs with a surgery cap on as he was about to go into Tommy John surgery saying he would beat Tommy John and immediately removed it.

2.) Backed his agent for a brief moment and immediately clarified in the players tribune that he would pitch in the postseason no matter what in less than 12 hours.

3.) Missed once single practice.

That's the quite laundry list of fuck ups....

it doesnt matter what fans think, more important is what his teammates think. If he goes out next season and pitches lights out, fans will be giving him a standing ovation start after start and think about how much money the team needs to shell to keep him.

Not trying to argue you. Im really just curious. I see a lot of people citing all these instances and I guess I just don't see them.

Im ready to get ready for the Dodgers.

Who's starting against Kershaw? Tejada or Flores?? That's what I want to know. ;)

I still think you are oversimplifying things.

The innings limit issue didn't last for just "24 hours" or back is agent for a "brief moment." The innings limit issue lasted for almost two months and only after two awful interviews (post Boras comments) did he clarify in the Players Tribune as some weak form of damage control that most fans saw right through.

I won't get into his battles or snarkyness with the media. I still have a hard time believing that are lost on this since you posted in those threads but if you are so curious, I'm sure you can google them.

Its funny you mention the Dark Knight video. It's funny because my view towards Harvey changed after watching that video and I don't think it's ridiculous at all. It goes deeper than Harvey just saying that he was a Yankee fan and purposely stayed away from saying that he would like to remain a Met after FA. It's the way he came across. It's him demanding $2 mill coming out of HS and "wouldn't sign for a penny less" type of entitled attitude that turned me off. At that point, on top of his other comments, his very public yearn to be a NYC starlet, that fact that he's a walking billboard...just turns me off. On a list of 5, it goes - money, money, money, fame, baseball. And it just doesn't endear him to me.

Sick talent and I'm glad he's pitching for the Mets. But he's easily the least likable player on this team. However, I can understand why people may not agree with me. That's just how I feel.

Most of my Mets fan friends see it this way as well. There are a fair share of in denial, bury their heads in the sand ostrich fans too. Harvey's true colors are revealed for all those who want to see him for what he truly is. You can't make them see it if they refuse to.

Absolutely.
But
This team has desperately needed an asshole to lead them for a long, long time. And here we are, on the brink of the playoffs.

about something like this for more than it takes the time for me to hear it, digest it then move on? What a non story

In comment 12531566 Headhunter said:

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about something like this for more than it takes the time for me to hear it, digest it then move on? What a non story

I guess you care just enough to log on to this thread (for some reason) and spend the time to post about how you don't care? Riveting stuff there.

That is the extent of my caring. Going on record to say how meaningless this is

In comment 12531573 Headhunter said:

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That is the extent of my caring. Going on record to say how meaningless this is

HH,
This is FAR from meaningless

You must "not care" an awful lot.

To others maybe, to me nah

In comment 12531574 Shecky said:

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In comment 12531573 Headhunter said: Quote: That is the extent of my caring. Going on record to say how meaningless this is HH, This is FAR from meaningless

Not worth it, Shecky. That man-child just loves playing the contrarian. Move on and you'll be better for it.

Go fuck yourself. Who appointed you Met thread monitor? I read your daily bullshit and realize how totally clueless you are and you are only here to get into with other posters. I don't comment on your crap, you keep on shitting up these threads, your right to share your ramblings and pudding matches but don't ever fucking tell me what to do

We have the city to ourselves now, so let's not fuck this up!

I havent bothered posting in a long time. But if you are a die hard Mets fan, which I know you are, care...

In comment 12531579 Headhunter said:

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Go fuck yourself. Who appointed you Met thread monitor? I read your daily bullshit and realize how totally clueless you are and you are only here to get into with other posters. I don't comment on your crap, you keep on shitting up these threads, your right to share your ramblings and pudding matches but don't ever fucking tell me what to do

Well, that's quite an intelligent response. You literally contradict almost every point I make here so spare me about your "not commenting on my crap." You may need to read my daily bullshit on these threads but I'm subjected to your nonsensical dribble that is littered throughout this place on a daily basis...and it hurts my eyes. You are a hair away from being another chris r.

You don't like my comments? Then don't be a raging dick all the time. I have no problem talking to other people normally and cordially, so yeah, it must be me.

and I never engage you UNLESS you go over what I write. I find it easy to ignore you, you don't have anything to add. So like I ignore you, you ignore me and we wouldn't have these back and forth so. You control it, chose to engage and I'll respond every time. Ignore me and we'll get along

In comment 12531380 ZGiants98 said:

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whatsoever of missing practices, being late, ect. this would certainly be alarming. However 162 games in a year and I don't know how many spring training games and practices, ect and this has never happened once. Been to every single one on time and was even early back in spring training to report. Just seems people are just waiting to kill him. He should have been there no doubt but if this happened to anybody else on the team and it was their first offense it would be a non-issue. Hell, I think this is too but thats just me. All I care about is how Harvey looks next Monday.

There's a bit of a difference being late for a practice in mid-august, and missing one prior to the biggest series of his life, but I don't expect you to acknowledge that.

I was one who thought the pitch count thing was overblown - Boras talked out of his ass, and when reporters asked Harvey about it, he unprepared, and tried to stick up for his agent. Boras threw his client under the bus.

This, however, is a much bigger deal. Sure, it's good that he apologized to the team, but what the hell was he supposed to do? He would have to be a grade A asshole not to. There is no excuse for him not to know what time it was. He wasn't late for practice, he missed practice. How many of you would think it was OK to blow off a day of work, and call after the workday was over to say "My bad!"? You wouldn't have a job for very long.

is to post on every thread in this place, but I'll do my best to tune your dribble out. Good plan. Game threads have been far better since your exit anyway. Moving on.

I think people crap on him too much. We'll keep him. If he stays healthy and we're not competing in a few years, he maybe gets traded the summer before he hits UFA, or the summer before that for a huge return. But I really expect him to be right there with the top 5 NL pitchers next season.

The man likes to party.

I usually say "let a 26 year old be a 26 year old" but now's not the time. Right now, it's all about team. The nightlife can wait until next month.

I'll care much less if he goes out and tosses a gem in game 3 but again he's putting himself in a situation where hell is going to rain down on him if he doesn't.

feels after throwing 90-95 pitches in his Instuctural League start tomorrow means something, Harvey missing a practice? Not ideal and if he was scheduled to throw a bullpen and blew that off, that would be a huge story. Him missing fielding grounders and covering first base for 20 plays isn't

singular act of missing practice, for the purpose of this discussion I'm looking at the bigger picture. And that is that Harvey doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes and gives the impression that he's bigger than the game. I'd hope he'd have more respect for team and teammates.

And for those downplaying...id say this practice was a tad more important than your typical practice, wouldn't you say? Maybe a little more than "fielding grounders" lol?

Looks like he's slipping on his cardio based on what he looks like compared to last year.

In comment 12531689 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Looks like he's slipping on his cardio based on what he looks like compared to last year.

Lol, as long as dominates pitching, he can have as many chins as he wants lol.

CC was pretty skinny when he first started

pitches bad in Game 3 this will be thrown back at him, but until then it's just useless speculation. Does anyone really think that missing a workout is going to affect his start?

I'm more concerned about how gameplan to try and beat Kershaw, whether we're going to start Tejada/Flores, and whether DeGrom's last start was a sign that he's back to form after a sub-par September.

In comment 12531754 Metnut said:

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Does anyone really think that missing a workout is going to affect his start?

No one does.

Is it a sign of a long-term issue? That seems to be the question

In comment 12531775 schabadoo said:

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In comment 12531754 Metnut said: Quote: Does anyone really think that missing a workout is going to affect his start? No one does. Is it a sign of a long-term issue? That seems to be the question

Well, this is the first thing we agree on, lol. Feels goooood.

In comment 12531775 schabadoo said:

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In comment 12531754 Metnut said: Quote: Does anyone really think that missing a workout is going to affect his start? No one does. Is it a sign of a long-term issue? That seems to be the question

What's the long-term issue? He pitched great this year. He arguably had the best season following TJ surgery in the history of baseball. All signs point to him being a complete stud during the next 3 years that we have control over him. The rest is just noise IMO.

Matt Harvey and would love him here long term but once we get to 2 years of control left I'd make him one "final" offer and if he passes I'd deal him 100%. His FA deal is likely going to be one someone truly regrets.

His teammates get it. His coach and organization gets it. It's about respect for them and the combined effort to get where they are. It's a sign of immaturity that he continues to put himself in thse positions. Competitive arrogance is good but when the trait begins to define yoiur general character you have a problem. Harvey is crossing that line with his repeated gaffs.

Jared Diamond ‏@jareddiamond
Hey you guys, Matt Harvey made it to work on time!!

In comment 12531807 DanMetroMan said:

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Matt Harvey and would love him here long term but once we get to 2 years of control left I'd make him one "final" offer and if he passes I'd deal him 100%. His FA deal is likely going to be one someone truly regrets.

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