There a slew of sharp Yankees fans here with great insight into the minors who I hope will fill in some blanks.
Right now it hurts, but we were kidding ourselves if we thought they would win last night with that anemic offense that played through September.
Beyond the obvious that Drew and Ryan must not be in pinstripes next April, where do they go? I think Headley must be replaced. His bat died and he became a liability at third - every throw was an adventure. Beltran must go. He's simple incompetent in RF and his bat is not good enough to overcome that hole. It comes down to DHing vs Arod. Beltran may be the better choice because he switch hits, but they really need McCann to do some DHing next year, so they cannot afford to carry two part time DHs.
Pitching?
Tanaka, Pineda, Eovaldi and Severino are a lock. Nova is an enigma. Warren, they need to make up their minds SP or RP.
I'd cut loose CC.
Maybe get Mitchell going, he showed some decent talent.
If Nova was more consistent, I think they would be in very good shape with what they have already on the roster at SP.
Miller, Betances, Wilson are a lock. Did Shreve burn out or did the league figure him out? I think it was burnout.
Good Arms in AAA Lindgren, Pazos, Goody, Rumbelow, Pinder and even Bailey.
I think the pen will be a strength with what is already on the roster.
Miller and Betances just need to have the load reduced by about 10%. Miller with the sore arm midseason looked sharp up til the end and Betances fought through it despite too much use.
Catching is in excellent shape. Murphy is much better than I thought and I have no clue about Sanchez.
So have at it. What FA are there young enough to be around 5 to 8 years? Do they need to package Gardner to get a power bat in the corner outfield (hope not as I'm a big Gardner fan)?
What 3rd baseman are around, starting quality, to replace Headley? I don't see any at SWB or Trenton.
IMHO, the problem is offense, not pitching or defense.
What the appreciation thread? Different topic.
Red Sox got rid of a number of big contracts. If they (Headley, Beltran even ARod) are non-performing, what difference does it make if they are paid to be gone, or sitting on the bench doing nothing?
Like what or whom? "Get us a better GM or better players" is throwing crap against the wall and hoping some will stick.
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Like with A-Rod, his contract makes it difficult.
Red Sox got rid of a number of big contracts. If they (Headley, Beltran even ARod) are non-performing, what difference does it make if they are paid to be gone, or sitting on the bench doing nothing?
I think it would matter to Hal. He may decide to add pieces in order to fix structural weaknesses and overcome bad contracts, but it means blowing up the budget which, unlike his father, Hal has not been willing to do.
Personally, I like the young core they are starting to put together. In addition to Severino and the bullpen guys you mentioned, Bird, Ref, and Didi have the makings of a solid young IF. Ref/Didi likely profile as "above average" at best at their positions, but Bird could be a (not too distant) middle of the order bat.
As far as the OF, 2 spots are pretty locked up with Gardner/Ellsbury with Heathcott ready to step in if/when one of those 2 hits the DL. Beltran is just keeping RF warm until Judge is ready, hopefully by mid-season 2016.
I still think they need to rid themselves of some of these contracts whether by release or trade and eat some of the payments if necessary.
Teix is ok. He is still a good player. Either ARod or Beltran need to go. As well as ARod did, he was dying past mid-August. Beltran can only DH. He just doesn't want to play RF. I think at this point he is the better batter now. He can still hit and hit for average.
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If they don't want to eat the contracts, then next year will be a mirror of this year, except Boston will be in 2nd place...
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teams don't eat contracts like that because they're 100% guaranteed.
If they don't want to eat the contracts, then next year will be a mirror of this year, except Boston will be in 2nd place...
It's just not how things are done. Now the Ellsbury benching (coupled with Gardy's shitty ABs) and some of the rumors about tension between Ellsbury and Joe make me wonder if they wouldn't look to trade him. They'd have to eat a fuckload of money (probably high eight figures) but he might waive an NTC if the relationship has soured that much.
It's just not how things are done. Now the Ellsbury benching (coupled with Gardy's shitty ABs) and some of the rumors about tension between Ellsbury and Joe make me wonder if they wouldn't look to trade him. They'd have to eat a fuckload of money (probably high eight figures) but he might waive an NTC if the relationship has soured that much.
Yep, I know it is not done that way, usually. Just it is the only way out of this. Whether they sit home and collect or sit on the bench and non-produce they still get paid.
As for Ellsbury, could care less if he is here any more. He is no better than Gardy except at steals. But at 3xs the salary he's not likely to be moved.
I think of all the big contracts CCs is the worst. At this point he is at best a #4 or #5.
So basically, the 2016 team is likely to be identical to the 2015 team.
This was a poorly constructed roster, no one doubts that. It's Cashman's fault for most of it, it was probably management's fault for the rest. What we have to hope is that we get enough out of the veterans and enough out of the kids that they can be competitive over the next couple years.
I thought CC was ok, not good, after the DL and knee brace. Could he improve after getting healthy? Maybe so. The alcoholism had to rob him of some skills. But you'd be paying $25 mill for a #5.
These are the Players you can get something for.
Rotation Tanaka,Pineda,Evaldi,Severino,CC
I would add to this by picking up young lefty Chen from Baltimore and go 6 man rotation since our pitchers were all dead by Oct.
Shreve ran out of gas,you could see his velo and command fade as he threw more innings. He will be back.
Betances Miller Wilson is a great back end. Add Pazo Lingren
Not too many missing pieces in the pitching staff,
Tex Didi Mcann Murphy Arod Headley Elsbury are here Like it or not.
Bird has to play everyday to reach his potental.
That means AAA unless someone takes Tex.
2nd base is open Mateo is the future there but needs a few years. So you can get by with a Refsnyder till then but the team likes defense and Ref showed enough to be a very attractive trading piece. Short gap FA here or you can try Ackley.
Drew and Ryan should not be allowed back.
I would go after Zobreist in FA he can be the stop gap at 2nd can play RF and Even LF and Back up Didi or Hensley if he starts to suck again.
Bring up Judge for ST and see if he clicks
Cashman has to get some more offense use the players who are tradable and get some guys who can hit.
Hope Hal enjoys counting the money from last nights attendance because he wont see it again until he spends some money on the final pieces he needs.
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Pitching - provided it stays healthy - will keep the Yanks in the race next year. The bullpen should stay solid and that rotation is young and full of good arms.
Because he's terrible? Just spitballing.
I hope Pineda gets his shit together. 20 of his 27 starts were either 2 ERs or less or 5+ ERs.
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Because he's terrible? Just spitballing.
Yeah, that's what I would go with.
Pitching - provided it stays healthy - will keep the Yanks in the race next year. The bullpen should stay solid and that rotation is young and full of good arms.
It could be great or it could be a question mark. Severino should be good, though we've seen 9/1 call-ups struggle in the first full season. Tanaka hopefully can be counted on for a mid-3's ERA. Pineda has been up and down at times. CC is a question mark. The biggest question mark of all is Eovaldi, who missed time with elbow problems after ramping up to some of the highest average velocity in the league and after changing his approach at the behest of Rothschild. Maybe he comes back throwing bullets, or maybe the below is an ongoing problem.
I agree, would much rather see the awful Ellsbury go, but I'm not sure how realistic that is. There just isn't much flexibility to what Cashman can do with the offense now. Gardner is one of the few movable pieces.
Maybe they need to tell him 95/96 is good enough.....
Where does it lead? It leads to the same position players coming back next year. As Dune noted they are locked in at every spot except 2B with a big money contract that can't be moved unless they eat most of the money. The only time the Yankees have done that was with AJ Burnett.
The following guys can't be traded without their approval all have no trade contracts:
Arod 2 years 40 million
Teix 1 year 22.5 million
Ellsbury 5 years 110 million
McCann 3 years 51 million
Beltran 1 year 15 million
CC 2 years 50 million
Tanaka 5 years 111 million
The only MLB position players that could be traded if anyone wanted them are:
Ackley
Didi
JR Murphy
Gardner
Headley
Mitchell, Nova, Pineda, Eovaldi, Shreve, Martin, Wilson, Betances & Miller are tradable too.
Capauano, Drew, Young & Ryan come off the books for 20 million total.
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Because he's terrible? Just spitballing.
I was under the impression that Gardener was actually hitting much worse than Ellsbury. Was it a matchup-based decision?
Gotta hope he just wasn't healthy this season. Cause if he was mostly healthy and that's what we got...wow
Clearly, Gardner didn't do any of those things last night, but they wouldn't have gotten anything from Ellsbury either.
So, you can surmise that health played a part in his struggles. But when is the guy ever healthy for more than 6 weeks? He's like a baseball version of Beason - missed big chunks of almost every season he's been in MLB. Giving him a gigantic contract with the expectation that he'd stay healthy and productive in his 30s was a massive error.
Gardner: .276/.361/.400
Ellsbury: .253/.327/.325
Totals since September 1
Gardner: .198/.271/.321
Ellsbury: .202/.254/.246
Totals past seven games
Gardner: .238/.238/.238
Ellsbury: .118/.211/.235
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I would ask the Marlins how much of Arods salary they would be willing to pay for next year.
have to get Tex to DH With McCann Can get Bird and Murphy bats.
Beltran can be traded but not for much.
Joey Bats is a FA and could fill RF or even 3b at times.
I would ask the Marlins how much of Arods salary they would be willing to pay for next year.
have to get Tex to DH With McCann Can get Bird and Murphy bats.
Beltran can be traded but not for much.
Joey Bats is a FA and could fill RF or even 3b at times.
Some team would take Ellsbury chalking this season up as an aberration, which it was. But if other teams think you are desperate to get rid of a guy, they aren't going to fall all over themselves offering.
Joey Bats is 35. How much outfield gas do you think is in that tank?