and moved from UMass (I can only assume that he was expelled) to UConn (where I can only assume he will be expelled). I'd say entitled if only because somehow nobody is holding him accountable.
Oddly he was charged with trespass but not assault or underage drinking.
so both UMass and UConn are out of state tuition. Not sure about you guys but after my first time in trouble (and that wouldn't even mean being arrested) I would have been cut off and paying for school out of my own pocket.
"Your honor, my client has sought professional help for his substance and anger management issues, and wants nothing more than to stay out of ja- . . . that is, to become a productive member of society. He's been volunteering down at the local elementary school, and he's helping the science club start up their own meth- . . . , that is, he's helping the science club."
1. Yeah, jalapeno/bacon mac-n-cheese sounds great.
2. The manager is the most patient guy EVER, which as probably a mistake. Would have been better to call the cops earlier, who would have escorted the kid out.
3. Yeah, the employee who steps in and grabs the kid after the push is Employee-of-the-Year.
How many of us have been stupid drunk in public before? Many of us. How many of us have been arrested multiple times for harassing people? Not too many.
How many times did that idiot shove him? They should have put him on the ground the second he put his hands on someone. He was about to get his ass kicked at the 3:50 mark, the cook approached and looked like he was going to drop him until the manager led him away. He got lucky, that guy looked ready to put him through the floor. And he's done this more than once, apparently. His ignorant ass could stand to learn a few life lessons. And by "life lessons" I mean losing some teeth. Maybe that sounds harsh to some but I have very little patience for drunken assholes.
Reminds me of the thread a few weeks back where Ronnie and I were discussing the few times violence is an appropriate response to dealing with people. He was belligerent, ignorant, and put his hands on someone. The first two are fairly easy to ignore. But once you put your hands on someone all bets are off. In my book he falls under the heading of "Sometimes people just need to get punched".
I have a friend, well not really anymore, who is now a 30 year old version of this video. He's been to jail twice for two DUI's and pretty much starts a fight every time we go out for drinks. I stopped hanging out with him a year ago.
This kid is 19 and his time to get it figured out. But he needs to sit in jail for a night or two, lose his standing at UConn, and get help.
The he's just drunk thing really doesn't fly with me. I went to UConn and got blasted all the time. Wound up at Srgt. Pepp's and ordered pizza like everyone else. Never was a complete asshole to someone for no reason.
I have a friend, well not really anymore, who is now a 30 year old version of this video. He's been to jail twice for two DUI's and pretty much starts a fight every time we go out for drinks. I stopped hanging out with him a year ago.
and he deserves it, but this incident reinforces my gratitude that I did not go through the adolescent and young adult years with video apparatuses recording my every action and incident. Plastering them on the internet for the whole world to see.
I hope I was never this big of a douche and I won't say definitively, but I know I had some pretty f-ing low moments.
actions have consequences far more permanent and far reaching than when I was growing up.
Not sympathizing for this asshole, just breathing a sigh of relief for the asshole I used to be and luckily grew out of.
wanna bet this kid's parents file suit against the cop and everyone else who came into contact with this little cocksucker? He didn't get to be such douche by accident.
I have a friend, well not really anymore, who is now a 30 year old version of this video. He's been to jail twice for two DUI's and pretty much starts a fight every time we go out for drinks. I stopped hanging out with him a year ago.
I feel like you might be a slow learner.
Yup, turning a back on a friend is something I definitely like doing as soon as the opportunity presents itself...
The he's just drunk thing really doesn't fly with me. I went to UConn and got blasted all the time. Wound up at Srgt. Pepp's and ordered pizza like everyone else. Never was a complete asshole to someone for no reason.
Dude, Wings Over or DP Dough. What is wrong with you, UConn?
but we have a running joke about DP Dough tasting the same no matter what flavor you order.
Was never a fan of wings over Storrs. I'm hard to please in general with wings.
I wish I was there for longer when the student union was finished. It was done as of my senior year and it was such a massive upgrade from that shitty building Jonathons was in.
He was arrested twice in 2014 once for disorderly conduct and the other for disorderly conduct and assault and battery on a police officer. The manager showed incredible restraint. All the attention that this kid is about to receive is well deserved.
Got what's coming to him in the moment and the consequences afterward.
Without the video he might never (if he ever does) realize what an asshole he is. Blackout drunk is oblivious and unaccountable even if one loses teeth to a punch in the process.
works as a kitchen worker himself is the height of irony and hilarity. I'm sure his court-appointed counselor will have a field day analyzing that one.
drinking and inebriated, yes. wasted out of his mind? no. he was way too articulate and steady on his feet. Looked to me like he's just a douchebag kid who had a few, was feeling it, and then let his douchebag side come to the forefront (although I'm guessing it's always at the forefront). Let's face it, lots of us got drunk in college, stumbled our way to an eatery, and ordered. We were obviously drunk and still got served.
entitled probably isn't the right word. pampered brat who thinks that if he acts like an asshole long enough he'll get his way (probably worked for him with his parents his whole life) is more like it.
wanna bet this kid's parents file suit against the cop and everyone else who came into contact with this little cocksucker? He didn't get to be such douche by accident.
My daughter was visiting the college team she (assistant) coached last year (a lot of well-to do families). They were telling her that one of the girls was overtly insubordinate, like screaming disrespectful stuff at the coach from the middle of the field) during the last game. He took her from the starting line-up for the next game and also had her run a fitness test in practice (as well as apologize to the team). Apparently her parents now have lawyers talking to the college.
As soon as he shoved the manager he should've leveled him. God forbid any of the other pussies standing around get involved and help out. On a side note, i wonder how much these idiots being filmed help accelerate these type of situations. Drunk douchers being filmed so they try and put on an oscar worthy performance for the fucking camera.
What's even weirder is that he's "drunk" but not DRUNK, meaning that he isn't slurring his words or having trouble standing, so I wonder how impaired his judgement is.
As in, maybe he's just a huge piece of shit in general.
It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
fuck this kid. Everyone else involved other than him, like the manager, employees, and other cop deserve a lot of credit bc there's no way I would have remained that calm in their position.
It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
You've been an asshole to the board for 10+ years, I think I can take it in stride when it comes from you.
But wow, that struck a nerve, lol. Sorry guys, this isnt fairy-tale land where appearances don't matter.
There's a lot of things that would make this go down differently. This kid looks pretty non-threatening. But if he had anything that would make him look "sketchier", I think it'd change the outcome. Such as:
-mohawk/liberty spikes
- shaved head
- chains around his neck
- super baggy jeans and a doo rag
- piercings and gauges
young kid at college again, pussy all over the place, partying, no real responsibilities other than school and sports, jalapeño MAC n cheese available 24/7...
And this clown threw it all away. What a disaster.
young kid at college again, pussy all over the place, partying, no real responsibilities other than school and sports, jalapeño MAC n cheese available 24/7...
And this clown threw it all away. What a disaster.
I'm not even that far removed from college (07-11) but holy shit, it's crazy how many more people are always recording everything compared to the first half of when I was in school. mac and cheese kid expelled - ( New Window )
It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
You've been an asshole to the board for 10+ years, I think I can take it in stride when it comes from you.
But wow, that struck a nerve, lol. Sorry guys, this isnt fairy-tale land where appearances don't matter.
There's a lot of things that would make this go down differently. This kid looks pretty non-threatening. But if he had anything that would make him look "sketchier", I think it'd change the outcome. Such as:
-mohawk/liberty spikes
- shaved head
- chains around his neck
- super baggy jeans and a doo rag
- piercings and gauges
You could have not been a shithead if you kept your mouth shut. You couldn't help yourself. You knew exactly what you were doing.
young kid at college again, pussy all over the place, partying, no real responsibilities other than school and sports, jalapeño MAC n cheese available 24/7...
And this clown threw it all away. What a disaster.
It's *bacon* jalapeno mac n cheese...philistine.
Oh Christ. Bacon? Now I know why he was so insistent!
The kid was drunk, obnoxious and out of control. I would have dropped him after about 3 minutes of taking his crap. Show me a similar example where a black kid acted like that on camera and there a backlash.
it's just as wrong of you to have the preconceived notion that a white manager would treat a black kid differently as it is for white managers to assume a black kid is up to no good and treat them differently. both attitudes are wrong, wrong, and wrong.
It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
You've been an asshole to the board for 10+ years, I think I can take it in stride when it comes from you.
But wow, that struck a nerve, lol. Sorry guys, this isnt fairy-tale land where appearances don't matter.
There's a lot of things that would make this go down differently. This kid looks pretty non-threatening. But if he had anything that would make him look "sketchier", I think it'd change the outcome. Such as:
-mohawk/liberty spikes
- shaved head
- chains around his neck
- super baggy jeans and a doo rag
- piercings and gauges
You could have not been a shithead if you kept your mouth shut. You couldn't help yourself. You knew exactly what you were doing.
yeah. I wanted to write that comment bc I feel it's true. Not looking for a debate. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought we can post things we think on a message board? Sorry if it doesn't jive with what you think. Opinions are like assholes, something something.
I don't think they'd have been as patient with him.
Either way, everyone else deserves a ton of respect for being patient with this prick.
It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
So you bring up the arrest of Martese Johnson by ABC officers at UVA as an example of him being treated differently because of his appearance?
So what about Elizabeth Daly's arrest at UVA a year and a half prior, by ABC officers:
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Daly was arrested in April 2013, outside the Harris Teeter store in the Barracks Road Shopping Center by ABC agents who mistook her crate of sparkling water for beer. A half-dozen plainclothes agents surrounded her and two of her sorority sisters in her SUV in the parking lot. One agent pulled a gun and another tried to smash open a window with a flashlight.
She spent a night in jail on charges of assaulting officers after fleeing in her SUV saying she didn’t know the agents were law enforcement. The charges later were dropped and then expunged. Daly filed a $40 million lawsuit and settled for $212,500.
Seven months after Daly’s arrest, ABC announced 15 policy and procedural changes, saying agents went too far and failed to exercise common sense.
it's just as wrong of you to have the preconceived notion that a white manager would treat a black kid differently as it is for white managers to assume a black kid is up to no good and treat them differently. both attitudes are wrong, wrong, and wrong.
I think Bill L hit the nail on the head.
maybe the manager wouldn't have treated him differently. He defintiely seems cool and collected. Didn't mean to single him out. Sort of just meant in general.
Either way, I like how this was handled and hope there's a point in the future where I don't think that people would be treated differently in this situation based on appearances.
The guy in charge was smart enough to not touch the kid. He knew he was being recorded. You think, because of your racial bias, that he would have acted differently? I'll modify from shithead to shitforbrains. Is that more accurate?
wanna bet this kid's parents file suit against the cop and everyone else who came into contact with this little cocksucker? He didn't get to be such douche by accident.
they'd have no case. The cop even loosened the handcuffs for him lol. I almost wish they'd try it just to hear a judge tell them how stupid they are when he throws out the case.
you have an obvious racial bias. I've seen it in the past. Your view is that if there's a racial difference, the white is prejudged to be the party in the wrong.
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The guy in charge was smart enough to not touch the kid. He knew he was being recorded. You think, because of your racial bias, that he would have acted differently? I'll modify from shithead to shitforbrains. Is that more accurate?
uh, no, not at all. That manager was on point. You can tell he was restraining himself.
I just don't think it'd fly that he got shoved three times.
Also, why are you always so fucking angry? Do you get off on just being a complete and total dick to everyone? It's been your MO for a decade. So I think that the situation would have been different if it was a black douchebag instead of a white douchebag. You disagree. BFD, move the fuck on without hurling insults
IF the report that he was only charged with trespassing is true Â
I think that is the worst part. He should have an assault charge in there, and perhaps disorderly conduct thrown in just for good measure. A single misdemeanor probably isn't going to sink in for this kid, especially since it probably gets reduced to something even less.
you have an obvious racial bias. I've seen it in the past. Your view is that if there's a racial difference, the white is prejudged to be the party in the wrong.
No, I don't. Not at all in the slightest. I will admit that I have a bias when it comes to trusting police reports. But that's got nothing to do with white or black, and isn't even applicable in this situation.
My view is that if there's a racial difference, people respond differently. Not that "the white guy I'd automatically wrong".
RE: IF the report that he was only charged with trespassing is true Â
I think that is the worst part. He should have an assault charge in there, and perhaps disorderly conduct thrown in just for good measure. A single misdemeanor probably isn't going to sink in for this kid, especially since it probably gets reduced to something even less.
especially since he ready got arrested for assaulting a cop 2 weeks after being arrested for the first time.
It's just so funny that you bring up the Martese Johnson case.... Â
Elizabeth Daly (white) and Martese Johnson (black) were both treated unfairly by the same ABC officers.
However, you knew of only one of them, nationally. I knew all about the Elizabeth Daly case because UVA is local to me. Yet for some reason, that didn't make the national news... Wonder why?
The guy in charge was smart enough to not touch the kid. He knew he was being recorded. You think, because of your racial bias, that he would have acted differently? I'll modify from shithead to shitforbrains. Is that more accurate?
uh, no, not at all. That manager was on point. You can tell he was restraining himself.
I just don't think it'd fly that he got shoved three times.
Also, why are you always so fucking angry? Do you get off on just being a complete and total dick to everyone? It's been your MO for a decade. So I think that the situation would have been different if it was a black douchebag instead of a white douchebag. You disagree. BFD, move the fuck on without hurling insults
I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
it seems like you suffer from a severe case of white guilt. why even speculate on what would have happened if that little asshole had been a different race? What purpose does it serve? Maybe because you were raised by two doctors for parents in a life of privilege you feel you owe something to society, but it makes things worse IMO. It forces people to defend or offend when it's unprovable and unnecessary.
it's pure speculation how this specific situation would have been handled. Maybe they would have called the cops sooner, maybe if the student was black he wouldn't have acted this way in the first place, or maybe it would have been 100% exactly the same. why bring it up? It's not a can of worms, it's 100% irrelevant speculation that serves zero purpose.
but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
educate yourself: The Arrest of Elizabeth Daly - ( New Window )
I am absolutely familiar with this case, I'm pretty sure I posted about it on this board when it happened, and it's despicable. I've always maintained that there needs to be greater oversight of police.
What does this prove though? That people aren't treated differently based on what they look like? You're posting one isolated incident as if it's proof that people aren't treated differently.
I don't think the course of events would have been the same if this kid was black. I'm not apologizing for that.
Also, Peter in ATL, whatever you tell yourself. Your MO is insulting people and trying to be mean. Go for it dude, idc. Have fun lashing out at anyone who doesn't agree with you.
The fact that you're all getting pissy because I said this would have been different if the kid was black isn't unexpected, but isn't really something that people should strike a nerve so much. What's the alternative - that everything would have been the same? Nah, I don't think so.
but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
educate yourself: The Arrest of Elizabeth Daly - ( New Window )
I am absolutely familiar with this case, I'm pretty sure I posted about it on this board when it happened, and it's despicable. I've always maintained that there needs to be greater oversight of police.
What does this prove though? That people aren't treated differently based on what they look like? You're posting one isolated incident as if it's proof that people aren't treated differently.
I don't think the course of events would have been the same if this kid was black. I'm not apologizing for that.
Also, Peter in ATL, whatever you tell yourself. Your MO is insulting people and trying to be mean. Go for it dude, idc. Have fun lashing out at anyone who doesn't agree with you.
The fact that you're all getting pissy because I said this would have been different if the kid was black isn't unexpected, but isn't really something that people should strike a nerve so much. What's the alternative - that everything would have been the same? Nah, I don't think so.
Also, pjacs18, I'm not white.
YOU used Martese Johnson as an example as to why this situation may have been different if the kid in the OP was black.
However, Martese Johnson was NOT mistreated because he was black. He was mistreated because the ABC in C-ville is f-cked up.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinionracial bias.
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Part of why this is an incredibly asinine conversation Â
is there is no proof at all to support any conjecture. That's all it is, conjecture.
The only way we will resolve this is to do the experiment. Sonic, as you say, you're not white, and while I'm not sure Indian is the best way sample to test, since you are looking fort something to do besides work, you might want to try to test your hypothesis by driving to Storrs so you can belligerently demand some bacon jalapeno mac n cheese. Drink first (or do your pot thing) so that we can limit the variables compared to Mr. Gatti.
I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
lol @ racially biased. That's hilarious. My roommates white, 80% of my friends are white, numerous in-laws of mine are white, my cousins are half white, probably 75% of my girlfriends were white. But yeah, I hate white people, lol.
Whatever dude. Just come up with another creative insult like "shitforbrains" to toss at me because I have an opinion that this kid would have been treated differently.
is there is no proof at all to support any conjecture. That's all it is, conjecture.
The only way we will resolve this is to do the experiment. Sonic, as you say, you're not white, and while I'm not sure Indian is the best way sample to test, since you are looking fort something to do besides work, you might want to try to test your hypothesis by driving to Storrs so you can belligerently demand some bacon jalapeno mac n cheese. Drink first (or do your pot thing) so that we can limit the variables compared to Mr. Gatti.
Yeah, I mean I never said it wasn't. It's just my own conjecture. I'm not trying to prove anything or convince anyone of anything.
That's all, just my opinion on the matter. As I said, I'm not trying to prove anything.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That just shows how stupid and biased you are. Â
I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
lol @ racially biased. That's hilarious. My roommates white, 80% of my friends are white, numerous in-laws of mine are white, my cousins are half white, probably 75% of my girlfriends were white. But yeah, I hate white people, lol.
Whatever dude. Just come up with another creative insult like "shitforbrains" to toss at me because I have an opinion that this kid would have been treated differently.
Oddly, this is the first time I've ever heard, I can be a racist; some of my best friends are...in this direction.
He previously hit a cop and in another incident he called a cop that was busting up a house party the n-word.
Apparently they saw him bring a beer into the cafeteria. I guess he doesn't realize that restaurants have the right to refuse service to anyone.
The kid's name is Luke Gatti. I wonder if he acts up because it sounds like Gotti and he thinks he needs to act like an anti-authoritative prick all the time.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion racial bias.
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Nah, wrong again. I think most people, regardless of race, would have reacted differently if this dude was black.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion racial bias.
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Nah, wrong again. I think most people, regardless of race, would have reacted differently if this dude was black.
We know that you certainly would have reacted differently.
I think the manager is one of those really racist pricks who would've escorted a young black man to the door, where the buddies he called 5 minutes ago would be waiting outside in their General Lee car in white hoods to fuck up the thug.
RE: Apparently the kid did the same thing last year... Â
I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
lol @ racially biased. That's hilarious. My roommates white, 80% of my friends are white, numerous in-laws of mine are white, my cousins are half white, probably 75% of my girlfriends were white. But yeah, I hate white people, lol.
Whatever dude. Just come up with another creative insult like "shitforbrains" to toss at me because I have an opinion that this kid would have been treated differently.
Oddly, this is the first time I've ever heard, I can be a racist; some of my best friends are...in this direction.
black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
His ignorant ass could stand to learn a few life lessons. And by "life lessons" I mean losing some teeth.
That's the thing, you never know who you're fucking with, or who will intervene on their behalf. A guy in our old college dorms went out of his way to chase a high school kid who was spitting on people riding bikes under an overpass he was standing on. He probably had 4 years and at least 80 pounds on the kid, and used them enough to get thrown in jail.
but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
So youre basically accusing a man you know nothing about of being racist. That's all you're doing. "I don't know this guy but I'll bet he would've treated the kid differently if he were black". That's the definition of racial bias, to say nothing of slandering a man who had done nothing but show extreme patience and make every attempt to defuse the situation.
Where does it stop with you? If you can say that about this guy, who again you do not know, it's presumable to say you'd feel inclined to say that about anyone. Not every interaction is influenced by racism. In fact the only racism here is your assumption. Again, what do you know about this man to come to that conclusion? I think it's really shitty to put that on the manager, who again showed incredible restraint and displayed impeccable professionalism. To think he would've "come down harder" or acted differently if the kid was black is simply racism. Dumb racism. Like, Al Sharpton racism.
black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
How can you have statistics? Pretty much everyone says that the way *this* kid was treated was an anomaly in the sense that more often than not he would have been nut-punched right away.
You obviously feel that way so you think all others should too. That's where the perception of bias comes into play.
Since you would feel more threatened by a similarly sized black kid, you think it is an accepted fact most people would.
I'll be honest with you, in a school building situation, I think that is unlikely. The location plays a big part of it. You would think you are dealing with a student who should have an acceptable grasp of rules and social protocols.
The only argument I'd offer is that the same kid, white or black, would probably be handled differently in a fast food joint at 1AM in a sketchy part of town.
There's the one who needs to drink every day. There's the one that can't stop once he / she starts. There's the one that acts like a complete asshole after two or three drinks. Some encompass all 3. This kid definitely acts like an asshole when he drinks. Loses all control. He may be an angel when he's sober. He may only drink on weekends or even less frequently but one thing is for certain he needs to stop drinking once and for all. Jail prison a punch to the face whatever, as long as he stops drinking. If not he will be dead before 30 and it won't be from liver cancer.
I don't need to defend myself. It's just supporting evidence to how fucking laughable it is to paint me as "racist" based on what I said, which is actually not that outlandish.
not to mention there's a bit of a difference between "I have black friends!!" and "I literally have 2 uncles and an aunt that are white and 6 half white cousins".
Whatever you want dude. I made one comment that it would have been different if he's black. That's my opinion. It's admittedly conjecture but it's not like there haven't been occurrences that made me formulate that opinion.
black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
How can you have statistics? Pretty much everyone says that the way *this* kid was treated was an anomaly in the sense that more often than not he would have been nut-punched right away.
"Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found."
If this kid were black, there is a good chance he'd suffer a harsher penalty. This is not debatable.
black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
Let's follow this line of thought...
Drunk black kid "appears more threatening" than drunk white kid. So what's the response in this hypothetical? You really think so,some who is intimidated is *more* likely to be disrespectful or become physical? With someone he's intimidated by/scared of? It makes no sense. And what "statistics" are you even referencing? Who keeps track of attacks on unruly customers by white fast food managers? Is that the census bureau or the NAACP?
Based on the footage in that video presuming a different reaction had the drunken ass in question had been black is nothing but blatant racism itself.
You obviously feel that way so you think all others should too. That's where the perception of bias comes into play.
Since you would feel more threatened by a similarly sized black kid, you think it is an accepted fact most people would.
I'll be honest with you, in a school building situation, I think that is unlikely. The location plays a big part of it. You would think you are dealing with a student who should have an acceptable grasp of rules and social protocols.
The only argument I'd offer is that the same kid, white or black, would probably be handled differently in a fast food joint at 1AM in a sketchy part of town.
Yeah, the school setting could definitely impact it, that's a good point.
this would have been handled if the race of the drunk kid was different? What purpose does that question serve?
It's not an answerable question beyond one's opinion.
And it's an inflammatory speculative.
the facts are the facts, beyond that nothing is known. Maybe if he were black they would have felt threatened and never even approached him with the open beer bottle and just gave him some bacon jalapeno mac n cheese, or maybe they would have shot him, or maybe they would have called the cops.
no one knows. bringing it up with a "I know how it would have went down" attitude IS racially biased. That is also undeniable.
black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
I believe this happened at a cafeteria at UConn. Anyone who thinks a black student would be treated worse in the PC world of higher education, in particular in New England, is nuts.
black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
How can you have statistics? Pretty much everyone says that the way *this* kid was treated was an anomaly in the sense that more often than not he would have been nut-punched right away.
"Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found."
If this kid were black, there is a good chance he'd suffer a harsher penalty. This is not debatable. Racial Gap in Men's Sentencing - ( New Window )
Remind me again what the penalty was in the linked clip?
I don't need to defend myself. It's just supporting evidence to how fucking laughable it is to paint me as "racist" based on what I said, which is actually not that outlandish.
not to mention there's a bit of a difference between "I have black friends!!" and "I literally have 2 uncles and an aunt that are white and 6 half white cousins".
Whatever you want dude. I made one comment that it would have been different if he's black. That's my opinion. It's admittedly conjecture but it's not like there haven't been occurrences that made me formulate that opinion.
So the manager couldn't be married to black girl? He couldn't have black aunts and uncles? You labelled that guy pretty quickly.
Have you read the other posts here agreeing with me that you have a racial bias issue? Do you really lack that much self awareness?
but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Drunk black kid perceived as a "bigger threat"(ie-more intimidating, more likely to resort to violence, etc), so you think that means the manager is more likely to "rough him up"? That's completely counterintuitive.
No offense man but you sound really dumb here. Put down the shovel.
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I don't really give a shit if people on BBI think I have a racial bias, because I know I don't. There's plenty of people on here who I think have a racial bias going the other way, but that's who they are, and that won't be changed over an internet. Don't really care all that much. Idk.
I know myself, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone regarding prejudice.
What's funny is that I didn't even say anything about how white people act. I said that if this kid was black, this would have turned out different. Don't contort that into "kill whitey", cause it's not.
If you think that equates to prejudice, that's on you.
"2 uncles and an aunt that are white and 6 half white cousins"?
hahaha good catch.
I was listening to ESPN Radio the other morning, and they kept playing this clip of Alex Rodriguez saying things like "these games are life and death. literally life and death situations, literally".
I said that if this kid was black, this would have turned out different.
Whether that statement is true or not has no bearing from a definition standpoint. It is clearly your perception or belief, which is the definition of bias.
You believe one thing over another. Again - that's even without making a judgment on whether or not your belief is correct or not.
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I don't really give a shit if people on BBI think I have a racial bias, because I know I don't. There's plenty of people on here who I think have a racial bias going the other way, but that's who they are, and that won't be changed over an internet. Don't really care all that much. Idk.
I know myself, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone regarding prejudice.
What's funny is that I didn't even say anything about how white people act. I said that if this kid was black, this would have turned out different. Don't contort that into "kill whitey", cause it's not.
If you think that equates to prejudice, that's on you.
Kill Whitey??? WTF are you talking about? No one said that or anything close. You are contorting being told you have a racial bias. Combine that with your authority issues and well, you have a long way to go.
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Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Posting using your phone too, I see.
Not sure of the relevance but no, I'm on my iPad. They have autocorrect too. Any chance you want to address the rest of the post, or just the typos? [/quote]
No, I'm just sharing in the unpleasant experience.
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Drunk black kid perceived as a "bigger threat"(ie-more intimidating, more likely to resort to violence, etc), so you think that means the manager is more likely to "rough him up"? That's completely counterintuitive.
No offense man but you sound really dumb here. Put down the shovel.
Nah, I've said over and over again I'm not talking about the manager, who was clearly doing the right thing and keeping his hands off the kid.
Personally, I think the cops would have probably been there sooner and may have roughed him up a little more when arresting him. Frankly though, depending on how much they roughed him up, it'd have been justified, as long as they weren't like throwing punches or repeatedly slamming his head into the ground after they took him down.
In retrospect, it was kind of the wrong tree to bark up. This kid was given a long leash, and while I still don't think he would have been given the same leash if he was black, everyone else handled this pretty marvelously - from the manager, to the cops, to even the kids who recorded it and put it on Youtube. Personally, I don't think that it would have turned out exactly the same if he was black,
BUT, it really is pointless conjecture considering that these people all took care of this douche in the proper manner.
A black kid would definitely have a shorter leash, but since this kid was given way too long of a leash to be a total dickhead anyway, does it really matter?
Having said that, my comment was pretty much just a throwaway comment that I do believe to interesting. I don't think a black kid would have been given that much leeway to act like such a dickbag, but it's not like he'd deserve as much leeway anyway.
tl;dr: sorry my post caused a ruckus, I still stand by the principle that things probably would have been different, but its immaterial regardless since anyone who acts like this deserves to be taken down and arrested... and there's no way of knowing how this particular group of people would have handled it.
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There is no inequity in this post-racial America. I had a hunch that there was given all the protests that happened not too long ago, but this all has obviously been quashed.
I just want to say I'm sorry for the misconception. My friend's dad, who is a high ranking executive at the Department of Transportation, was driving this shitty Chevy Impala all these years because it statistically reduced his chances of getting pulled over, which he always feared because he's black. I can't wait to give him the news that he's now safe to upgrade.
You know all these things as facts in your racially biased mind. Â
but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Drunk black kid perceived as a "bigger threat"(ie-more intimidating, more likely to resort to violence, etc), so you think that means the manager is more likely to "rough him up"? That's completely counterintuitive.
No offense man but you sound really dumb here. Put down the shovel.
Nah, I've said over and over again I'm not talking about the manager, who was clearly doing the right thing and keeping his hands off the kid.
Personally, I think the cops would have probably been there sooner and may have roughed him up a little more when arresting him. Frankly though, depending on how much they roughed him up, it'd have been justified, as long as they weren't like throwing punches or repeatedly slamming his head into the ground after they took him down.
In retrospect, it was kind of the wrong tree to bark up. This kid was given a long leash, and while I still don't think he would have been given the same leash if he was black, everyone else handled this pretty marvelously - from the manager, to the cops, to even the kids who recorded it and put it on Youtube. Personally, I don't think that it would have turned out exactly the same if he was black,
BUT, it really is pointless conjecture considering that these people all took care of this douche in the proper manner.
A black kid would definitely have a shorter leash, but since this kid was given way too long of a leash to be a total dickhead anyway, does it really matter?
Having said that, my comment was pretty much just a throwaway comment that I do believe to interesting. I don't think a black kid would have been given that much leeway to act like such a dickbag, but it's not like he'd deserve as much leeway anyway.
tl;dr: sorry my post caused a ruckus, I still stand by the principle that things probably would have been different, but its immaterial regardless since anyone who acts like this deserves to be taken down and arrested... and there's no way of knowing how this particular group of people would have handled it.
All your conclusions in your suppositions are unprovable yet incredibly inflammatory. Kudos!!
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So sad. I'm sure you can count on your bias coming up in future threads.
You are BBI's ultimate troll. Nothing you're saying makes any sense, but you just keep replying and insulting people to get a rise out of them.
Anyway, you're wrong, and here's why: My post didn't single out white people. You put that in yourself. What I said was that this would have turned out differently if this kid was black. This is because I feel that society as a whole and authorities look at black people as a threat more than white people, if everything else is considered equal.
My own family is not above this. My 75 year old Indian Grandma definitely perceives black people as more of a threat than white people.
All I want is to reach a point in our country where that doesn't happen.
Does it apply to this case? No, not really... But it was more just something I was thinking to myself and posted. "Would this turn out the same way if this kid was black?".
Personally, my answer is no. If you feel it would, then good for you.
So please spare me the troll-ish bullshit about how I'm racist, or some shit.
Also, there's a difference between prejudice and racist. Racism comes from a position of power, while anyone can be prejudiced. It's semantics, but still.
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So sad. I'm sure you can count on your bias coming up in future threads.
You are BBI's ultimate troll. Nothing you're saying makes any sense, but you just keep replying and insulting people to get a rise out of them.
Anyway, you're wrong, and here's why: My post didn't single out white people. You put that in yourself. What I said was that this would have turned out differently if this kid was black. This is because I feel that society as a whole and authorities look at black people as a threat more than white people, if everything else is considered equal.
My own family is not above this. My 75 year old Indian Grandma definitely perceives black people as more of a threat than white people.
All I want is to reach a point in our country where that doesn't happen.
Does it apply to this case? No, not really... But it was more just something I was thinking to myself and posted. "Would this turn out the same way if this kid was black?".
Personally, my answer is no. If you feel it would, then good for you.
So please spare me the troll-ish bullshit about how I'm racist, or some shit.
Also, there's a difference between prejudice and racist. Racism comes from a position of power, while anyone can be prejudiced. It's semantics, but still.
Why are you saying "racist"??? When did I use that word? I said "racial bias". Racial is an adjective used to describe your bias. Do you not know the difference? Are dumb or just stoned?
I can draw my own conclusions, and you're free to draw your own.
Based on my own experiences, experiences of people I know, and what I see around the country, I don't think it would have been the same if this dude was black.
Feel free to disagree; your opinion can differ from mine. But I'm failing to see what's so offensive about feeling that way. It's not an indictment on white people, no matter how much Peter in ATL wants you to think it is.
Racist, racial bias, it doesn't matter what you said since you're wrong. Nothing I said implies any racial bas against white people.
And if your getting your panties in a bunch this much about purported racial bias on a message board against whites, you should be counting your fucking lucky stars every night that you aren't of any other different ethnicity or race.
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it is semantics, but you definitely have racial bias.
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Based on my own experiences, experiences of people I know, and what I see around the country, I don't think it would have been the same if this dude was black
It is OK to just admit it and then stand by it. But you cannot state based on your posts on this thread there isn't any bias on your part. It meets every criteria for the definition, including believing a certain scenario to be fact.
There's really no problem with that, but I find it odd that you believe what you do and refuse to see it is bias.
from out of nowhere about how a black kid would have been treated differently when you have no idea. None. Zero. Nada.
You could have left this alone and just witnessed how all races act like assholes sometimes.
These exact people? Yeah, you're right, I don't know them. But I think there's a multitude of evidence within society as a whole to support that the situation may have turned out differently if some of the variables were changed, including the race of the douchebag. If you're going to tell me there's no evidence within society to support this sentiment, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Essentially, you're saying there's no evidence to believe that people are treated based on skin color. I disagree with that.
from out of nowhere about how a black kid would have been treated differently when you have no idea. None. Zero. Nada.
You could have left this alone and just witnessed how all races act like assholes sometimes.
These exact people? Yeah, you're right, I don't know them. But I think there's a multitude of evidence within society as a whole to support that the situation may have turned out differently if some of the variables were changed, including the race of the douchebag. If you're going to tell me there's no evidence within society to support this sentiment, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Essentially, you're saying there's no evidence to believe that people are treated based on skin color. I disagree with that.
But you pointed to this exact incident and these exact people and saying that this specifically would have been the outcome (as is Phil). Using a generalization to make a conclusion about a specific event. That's almost the very definition of bias.
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All I have said is that you have a racial bias. That is a fact. You refuse to admit it but all anyone has to do is read your posts on this thread to see that you have a bias and it is based on race.
it is semantics, but you definitely have racial bias.
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Based on my own experiences, experiences of people I know, and what I see around the country, I don't think it would have been the same if this dude was black
It is OK to just admit it and then stand by it. But you cannot state based on your posts on this thread there isn't any bias on your part. It meets every criteria for the definition, including believing a certain scenario to be fact.
There's really no problem with that, but I find it odd that you believe what you do and refuse to see it is bias.
I get what you're saying. The reason I am deflecting the bias issue is simply because I'm not saying only white people would have treated this guy differently if he was black...I think everyone, whether it was an Asian, Indian, Spanish person, would have treated this guy different if he was black.
I didn't mean for it to be an indictment on white people.
Nobody is perfect and I'm sure we all have our own biases. I just never really thought of myself as having a bias against "white people", since most of the people I've associated with throughout my life are white.
I will readily admit I have biases against certain groups of people, but they typically are a level under race. For example, if someone is from a certain part of the country and has certain viewpoints or presents themselves a certain way (e.g. Confederate Flag), I will probably assume a few things about them.
FMiC, thanks for the civil discourse even though we disagree on certain subjects. Much appreciated.
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from out of nowhere about how a black kid would have been treated differently when you have no idea. None. Zero. Nada.
You could have left this alone and just witnessed how all races act like assholes sometimes.
These exact people? Yeah, you're right, I don't know them. But I think there's a multitude of evidence within society as a whole to support that the situation may have turned out differently if some of the variables were changed, including the race of the douchebag. If you're going to tell me there's no evidence within society to support this sentiment, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Essentially, you're saying there's no evidence to believe that people are treated based on skin color. I disagree with that.
But you pointed to this exact incident and these exact people and saying that this specifically would have been the outcome (as is Phil). Using a generalization to make a conclusion about a specific event. That's almost the very definition of bias.
Yes, you are correct and that was something I've thought about. It definitely occurred to me that I don't know these particular people, and honestly, that manager showed that he probably would NOT act differently based on who was being a dick to him. So you're 100% right.
I'm trying to find a way to subscribe to both at once though... like there has to be a way where these two trains of thought are not at odds with eachother, because I do believe both. On one hand, there's nothing these people did that shows that they would react differently to a POC. On the other hand, I do genuinely think the entire situation may have been more contentious and could have potentially escalated further if the douchebag was black.
I didn't reach my conclusion based on them being white though, and that's why I was refuting the racial bias aspect. I reached my conclusion based on how POCs, particularly black people, have been treated as bigger threats than equivalent whites in the past.
Not sure how I can reconcile these two viewpoints, but I do believe both of them. Like I said earlier in this post, if anything, actions of people like the manager actually prove moreso that they'd make an attempt to de-escalate the situation.
So yeah, you are totally right about passing judgement on the individual people, but I still have my doubts about whether this would have gone down the same way with a black guy. I'm not sure if there's a way to reconcile those two things.
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He was stoned and drunk, probly on some xanax too by the sound of him and his actions and clearly an absolute asshole kid, but why can't he get his Mac and cheese?
I'm sure his parents paid for his tuition and meal plan so why can't the dude eat? Why is some jackass denying him food? Cuz he's a drunk asshole? Just give him his food and file a complaint.
As for the cell phone camera, LOL, wow what assholes we have today. Nobody would help either of these poor individuals out?? The poor lunch man just trying to follow status quo protocol and this punk spoiled brat just wanting some Mac and cheese before he goes back to the dorm and jerks off for the night
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I didn't double down because I'm biased just like all of you - but it's not based on race.
I've made it a conscious point to do this my whole life because I want to believe and try to convince myself that people aren't looking at me and sizing me up based on my race.
Peter, you keep saying racial bias but you haven't pointed out where it's racial. I've said ad nauseum over and over again that I didn't single out white people for thinking that a black person would be more threatening, but rather referred to pretty much everyone. You're trying to twist it into a racial bias against whites.
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I think you just wanted to bring race into something which was a confrontation but which had no racial component whatsoever. Just because.
obviously race has nothing to do with this story.
I brought it up because someone on another site posted a similar comment and I was thinking about it on my way to work.
Anyway, presented with those two dichotomous options, I still believe that things would have unfolded differently if the guy was black. If a black dude was acting like that and shoved someone in public 3x, I think there would be a stronger response than if a white dude was.
I don't view this as bias against white people because I believe people of pretty much any race would have perceived a black person as a bigger threat.
Other than the manager, who has shown that his cooler head prevails, I have nothing to base this off of other than the interactions I've seen before and read about before.
So it's speculation. And if this speculation crosses the line, then why speculate on any hypotheticals in any situation?
honestly though, I just want to get to a point in our country where the thought of two people being treated differently based on race doesn't even enter the minds of 99% of the population.
The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
Interesting that you're the only person, who has insinuated that he may have been a douche. Strange take, IMO.
The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
Yeah but we dont know what happened that made him initial refuse him service, at least the version I saw. Considering how crazy that kid was, I think he probably did something to warrant being refused service.
Right when the tape rolls, he starts berating the guy for working in food service. What a fucking dipshit thing for a 19 year old to do. This kid sucks and he's gonna have a hard time getting a job after college.
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This drunk 19 year old moron? Or the jackass, who posted a picture of himself and the child of his coworker on Facebook and allowed his friends to make racist comments about the kid (and contributed himself)? And while I don't think that the people posting stupid racist comments are all racists, they're just stupid as shit for posting shit like that with their personal accounts. Good ridden to stupidity getting its ass kicked to the curb.
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An Atlanta man was fired from Polaris Marketing Group last week after he posted racist comments on a Facebook picture of himself and a coworker's African-American son.
Gerod Roth, who was listed on Facebook as Geris Hilton, posted a selfie with Sydney Shelton's 3-year-old son Cayden on Sept. 16. Roth's friends soon started making extremely racist comments on the picture, saying things like, "I didn't know you were a slave owner" and "But Massuh, I dindu nuffin." Roth himself commented that Cayden "was feral." The post has since been deleted, but not before countless screengrabs were taken.
The dude seems even more douchey with his comments following the incident/firing...ugh...stupid douche.
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According to the Journal-Constitution, Roth was also fired from YourEDM, where he worked as Geris Hilton, and several of the racist commenters have been fired from their jobs as well.
"I just really feel upset, not only with myself, but also the character that was based off the comments that my friends had made," Roth told Atlanta's FOX 5 News. "Cayden has been victimized but I have been targeted."
He also claimed to have asked one of his Facebook friends to stop making racist remarks, and said he emailed Shelton an apology, but Shelton told FOX 5 that it didn't seem sincere.
"People post things in a [joking] manner and it gets taken a completely different way but I don't believe any of these people were joking," Shelton said.
The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
Interesting that you're the only person, who has insinuated that he may have been a douche. Strange take, IMO.
But publicizing pictures of his dad packing up the car? What the hell is that all about? "hoo-hoo-hooo, he's packing up and leaving school cause he was expelled!" Why is this getting some sort of "breaking news" treatment?
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
But publicizing pictures of his dad packing up the car? What the hell is that all about? "hoo-hoo-hooo, he's packing up and leaving school cause he was expelled!" Why is this getting some sort of "breaking news" treatment?
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
But publicizing pictures of his dad packing up the car? What the hell is that all about? "hoo-hoo-hooo, he's packing up and leaving school cause he was expelled!" Why is this getting some sort of "breaking news" treatment?
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
That was, more or less, my point... that they're even posting pictures of him leaving school. Social media is all over everything... this kid is going to have a hard time getting past this....
But publicizing pictures of his dad packing up the car? What the hell is that all about? "hoo-hoo-hooo, he's packing up and leaving school cause he was expelled!" Why is this getting some sort of "breaking news" treatment?
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
Agreed. This kid deserves his expulsion, any legal ramifications, and even his public embarrassment. But, the pictures of him leaving campus are going overboard, in my opinion. He brought shame and embarrassment on himself. We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement.
But publicizing pictures of his dad packing up the car? What the hell is that all about? "hoo-hoo-hooo, he's packing up and leaving school cause he was expelled!" Why is this getting some sort of "breaking news" treatment?
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
Agreed. This kid deserves his expulsion, any legal ramifications, and even his public embarrassment. But, the pictures of him leaving campus are going overboard, in my opinion. He brought shame and embarrassment on himself. We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement.
I agree. It's sad that so many people take pleasure from other peoples misery.
And has been arrested for disorderly conduct where he reportedly called a police officer a racist term, and separate incident for assaulting an officer and allegedly injuring his arm. Now he's charged with trespassing and breaching the peace in this incident.
"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
If your going to be stupid you better be tough Steve.
You want to bring it on yourself you better be able to take it.
Handicapped or another situation, I agree with you.
Drunk dumb ass? Reap what you sow.
He acts stupid and it gets posted online, I'm fine with that. But I disagree with you that "we should" be piling on by following his dad and taking pictures of the dad packing the car. So in this world of where we should pile on for our own entertainment in order he properly be taught a lesson exactly how far is the right amount, and who should determine that? Should people follow them driving home and maybe get a picture or two of them stopping at a rest stop to use the bathroom? Or perhaps maybe if someone stalks out his house there can be a few pictures of a crying mom to post online? Are siblings off limits or should they be included in order to properly teach the lesson he needs us to teach him?
I guess we just see it differently. I have zero issue with his being recorded being a drunken fool. But the need for so many in this country to then investigate and go after people and their family to get their pound of flesh or some twisted enjoyment from seeing people ground all the way down is what I find distasful.
"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
If your going to be stupid you better be tough Steve.
You want to bring it on yourself you better be able to take it.
Handicapped or another situation, I agree with you.
Drunk dumb ass? Reap what you sow.
He acts stupid and it gets posted online, I'm fine with that. But I disagree with you that "we should" be piling on by following his dad and taking pictures of the dad packing the car. So in this world of where we should pile on for our own entertainment in order he properly be taught a lesson exactly how far is the right amount, and who should determine that? Should people follow them driving home and maybe get a picture or two of them stopping at a rest stop to use the bathroom? Or perhaps maybe if someone stalks out his house there can be a few pictures of a crying mom to post online? Are siblings off limits or should they be included in order to properly teach the lesson he needs us to teach him?
I guess we just see it differently. I have zero issue with his being recorded being a drunken fool. But the need for so many in this country to then investigate and go after people and their family to get their pound of flesh or some twisted enjoyment from seeing people ground all the way down is what I find distasful.
I hear you, but how much worse is the pic of his dad packing up his stuff when compared to the video? His spot has already been blown up.
I didn't watch the video of him packing his bags and Â
"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
If your going to be stupid you better be tough Steve.
You want to bring it on yourself you better be able to take it.
Handicapped or another situation, I agree with you.
Drunk dumb ass? Reap what you sow.
He acts stupid and it gets posted online, I'm fine with that. But I disagree with you that "we should" be piling on by following his dad and taking pictures of the dad packing the car. So in this world of where we should pile on for our own entertainment in order he properly be taught a lesson exactly how far is the right amount, and who should determine that? Should people follow them driving home and maybe get a picture or two of them stopping at a rest stop to use the bathroom? Or perhaps maybe if someone stalks out his house there can be a few pictures of a crying mom to post online? Are siblings off limits or should they be included in order to properly teach the lesson he needs us to teach him?
I guess we just see it differently. I have zero issue with his being recorded being a drunken fool. But the need for so many in this country to then investigate and go after people and their family to get their pound of flesh or some twisted enjoyment from seeing people ground all the way down is what I find distasful.
I hear you, but how much worse is the pic of his dad packing up his stuff when compared to the video? His spot has already been blown up.
IMO it isn't about whether it's worse or not. He was a obnoxious drunken fool and faced appropriate repercussions. Why do we have to take pictures of his family; caption them and post them online? Other than the feeding frenzy mentality or a taking a twisted pleasure out of getting a glimpse of a family's misery what is the real point beyond the video?
If he would have done that in a business I owned?, he wouldn't have been there when the cops arrived.
Kids want to be stupid these days, they know it's on the nightly news.
Until recently, it was just those in the public eye everyone laughed at if the screwed up.
Now it's everyone.
Welcome to the future.
But it was the comments about those very pictures that you responded to. Maybe you didn't realize that when you were responding.
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Agreed. This kid deserves his expulsion, any legal ramifications, and even his public embarrassment. But, the pictures of him leaving campus are going overboard, in my opinion. He brought shame and embarrassment on himself. We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement.
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"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
I was just about to post the same thing. This forum is fucked up. Going back to the OBJ fine thread to see who is the first to say that he got fined because he was black.
Teens and 20-somethings have a lesson to learn... Â
I was just about to post the same thing. This forum is fucked up. Going back to the OBJ fine thread to see who is the first to say that he got fined because he was black.
This might be the worst strawman ever posted on BBI.
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I was just about to post the same thing. This forum is fucked up. Going back to the OBJ fine thread to see who is the first to say that he got fined because he was black.
This might be the worst strawman ever posted on BBI.
whatever you say jackass. Still, look at where this thread started, then read somewhere down the middle and where did the discussion morph to?
I get more of an impression from that apology video that he's just a really immature kid, but that his apology was as well as he can do with something like that.
I think he covered all the bases, and not too horribly.
Yep, how they're dressed, tattoos, jewelry, and *gasp* even skin color effect how we perceive people based on preconceived notions. It's how our brains work and really no big deal when it is just that quick, initial impression that's easily dismissed.
It's when those biases override rational decision making and color (ha) your everyday interactions so much that it interferes with your or (worse) others lives that you really have and/or are part of a problem.
Luke's Mac N Cheese is a funny move by UConn. And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch over that, I don't think it is insensitive in the least bit.
and honestly can't decide if it is disingenuous or not.
I could sort of buy it if it weren't for his past history at his prior school. But that makes it pretty hard to believe he's anything but a prick, and this is just fake contrition to not get expelled from a second school.
Which is why I think it may be "sincere". I don't think he's learned a lesson and likely has ulterior motives for making this video. Nut, it didn't seem phony.
It comes across like the kid in the original video. Â
I suspect that he may be beginning to wake up to the fact that he falls very high in the pantheon of stupid drunks.
One of the advantages of video is that many thousands of people are discovering this about themselves. And really, without this type of evidence, some of them may have suspected, but they didn't know for sure.
I felt the food service workers showed incredible patience, until they finally had to take him down.
Parents must be proud.
Nah, the alcohol just let his true colors run out.
He sounded pretty entitled when he was demeaning the manager for working wherever he was.
The best part is how the cop opens the door with his face at the end.
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Oddly he was charged with trespass but not assault or underage drinking.
They won't realize he's missing the "o"
Look how red his eyes are from crying, haha.
2. The manager is the most patient guy EVER, which as probably a mistake. Would have been better to call the cops earlier, who would have escorted the kid out.
3. Yeah, the employee who steps in and grabs the kid after the push is Employee-of-the-Year.
This kid is a piece of shit. Expel him, send him to rehab, and maybe he'll be productive one day.
He also put the cuffs on Tight :)
He did loosen the cuffs though.
The manager was amazingly patient (he probably deals with drunk kids a lot). And you can tell how much respect he gets from his employees.
Reminds me of the thread a few weeks back where Ronnie and I were discussing the few times violence is an appropriate response to dealing with people. He was belligerent, ignorant, and put his hands on someone. The first two are fairly easy to ignore. But once you put your hands on someone all bets are off. In my book he falls under the heading of "Sometimes people just need to get punched".
This kid is 19 and his time to get it figured out. But he needs to sit in jail for a night or two, lose his standing at UConn, and get help.
The he's just drunk thing really doesn't fly with me. I went to UConn and got blasted all the time. Wound up at Srgt. Pepp's and ordered pizza like everyone else. Never was a complete asshole to someone for no reason.
Hahaha!
I hope I was never this big of a douche and I won't say definitively, but I know I had some pretty f-ing low moments.
actions have consequences far more permanent and far reaching than when I was growing up.
Not sympathizing for this asshole, just breathing a sigh of relief for the asshole I used to be and luckily grew out of.
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I have a friend, well not really anymore, who is now a 30 year old version of this video. He's been to jail twice for two DUI's and pretty much starts a fight every time we go out for drinks. I stopped hanging out with him a year ago.
I feel like you might be a slow learner.
Yup, turning a back on a friend is something I definitely like doing as soon as the opportunity presents itself...
Dude, Wings Over or DP Dough. What is wrong with you, UConn?
Was never a fan of wings over Storrs. I'm hard to please in general with wings.
I wish I was there for longer when the student union was finished. It was done as of my senior year and it was such a massive upgrade from that shitty building Jonathons was in.
Yeah i've heard. I haven't been back since probably 2009 so I haven't seen any of the new stuff.
Without the video he might never (if he ever does) realize what an asshole he is. Blackout drunk is oblivious and unaccountable even if one loses teeth to a punch in the process.
entitled probably isn't the right word. pampered brat who thinks that if he acts like an asshole long enough he'll get his way (probably worked for him with his parents his whole life) is more like it.
As in, maybe he's just a huge piece of shit in general.
100%
Idea for a viral tweet:
"On my way to Connecticut. Hope I don't catch AFFLUENZA! Just kidding Im black!"
You really are a shithead. Now I'm disappointed in myself for addressing your other thread.
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
You'd be calling for the cop to be fired for one thing...
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
You'd be calling for the cop to be fired for one thing...
And complaining that the cop used excessive force by slamming the kid's head into the door...
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
You'd be calling for the cop to be fired for one thing...
Not to mention the firing of the establishment's racist manager for refusing service to him.
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
He really deserves to get laid out.
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It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
You've been an asshole to the board for 10+ years, I think I can take it in stride when it comes from you.
But wow, that struck a nerve, lol. Sorry guys, this isnt fairy-tale land where appearances don't matter.
There's a lot of things that would make this go down differently. This kid looks pretty non-threatening. But if he had anything that would make him look "sketchier", I think it'd change the outcome. Such as:
-mohawk/liberty spikes
- shaved head
- chains around his neck
- super baggy jeans and a doo rag
- piercings and gauges
And this clown threw it all away. What a disaster.
And this clown threw it all away. What a disaster.
It's *bacon* jalapeno mac n cheese...philistine.
I'm not even that far removed from college (07-11) but holy shit, it's crazy how many more people are always recording everything compared to the first half of when I was in school.
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It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
You've been an asshole to the board for 10+ years, I think I can take it in stride when it comes from you.
But wow, that struck a nerve, lol. Sorry guys, this isnt fairy-tale land where appearances don't matter.
There's a lot of things that would make this go down differently. This kid looks pretty non-threatening. But if he had anything that would make him look "sketchier", I think it'd change the outcome. Such as:
-mohawk/liberty spikes
- shaved head
- chains around his neck
- super baggy jeans and a doo rag
- piercings and gauges
You could have not been a shithead if you kept your mouth shut. You couldn't help yourself. You knew exactly what you were doing.
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young kid at college again, pussy all over the place, partying, no real responsibilities other than school and sports, jalapeño MAC n cheese available 24/7...
And this clown threw it all away. What a disaster.
It's *bacon* jalapeno mac n cheese...philistine.
Oh Christ. Bacon? Now I know why he was so insistent!
I think Bill L hit the nail on the head.
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It's just a simple observation. Not sure how it makes me a "shithead".
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
And this post doesn't change the fact that you're a shithead.
You've been an asshole to the board for 10+ years, I think I can take it in stride when it comes from you.
But wow, that struck a nerve, lol. Sorry guys, this isnt fairy-tale land where appearances don't matter.
There's a lot of things that would make this go down differently. This kid looks pretty non-threatening. But if he had anything that would make him look "sketchier", I think it'd change the outcome. Such as:
-mohawk/liberty spikes
- shaved head
- chains around his neck
- super baggy jeans and a doo rag
- piercings and gauges
You could have not been a shithead if you kept your mouth shut. You couldn't help yourself. You knew exactly what you were doing.
I don't think they'd have been as patient with him.
Either way, everyone else deserves a ton of respect for being patient with this prick.
I was thinking about the difference in reactions between the Charlottsville UVA kid and this kid.
I don't live in a bubble guys, people are treated differently based on pre-conceived notions of what they look like. Calling me a shithead doesn't change that.
If you disagree, fine. That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to argue about it or change anyone elses.
So you bring up the arrest of Martese Johnson by ABC officers at UVA as an example of him being treated differently because of his appearance?
So what about Elizabeth Daly's arrest at UVA a year and a half prior, by ABC officers:
She spent a night in jail on charges of assaulting officers after fleeing in her SUV saying she didn’t know the agents were law enforcement. The charges later were dropped and then expunged. Daly filed a $40 million lawsuit and settled for $212,500.
Seven months after Daly’s arrest, ABC announced 15 policy and procedural changes, saying agents went too far and failed to exercise common sense.
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The manager should get an award for not decking his ass after he touched him. He showed great restraint.
I think Bill L hit the nail on the head.
Either way, I like how this was handled and hope there's a point in the future where I don't think that people would be treated differently in this situation based on appearances.
I just don't think it'd fly that he got shoved three times.
Also, why are you always so fucking angry? Do you get off on just being a complete and total dick to everyone? It's been your MO for a decade. So I think that the situation would have been different if it was a black douchebag instead of a white douchebag. You disagree. BFD, move the fuck on without hurling insults
That sounds exceptionally painful.
My view is that if there's a racial difference, people respond differently. Not that "the white guy I'd automatically wrong".
Shows you just how spoonfed by the media narative you are.
Shows you just how spoonfed by the media narative you are.
However, you knew of only one of them, nationally. I knew all about the Elizabeth Daly case because UVA is local to me. Yet for some reason, that didn't make the national news... Wonder why?
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The guy in charge was smart enough to not touch the kid. He knew he was being recorded. You think, because of your racial bias, that he would have acted differently? I'll modify from shithead to shitforbrains. Is that more accurate?
uh, no, not at all. That manager was on point. You can tell he was restraining himself.
I just don't think it'd fly that he got shoved three times.
Also, why are you always so fucking angry? Do you get off on just being a complete and total dick to everyone? It's been your MO for a decade. So I think that the situation would have been different if it was a black douchebag instead of a white douchebag. You disagree. BFD, move the fuck on without hurling insults
I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
it's pure speculation how this specific situation would have been handled. Maybe they would have called the cops sooner, maybe if the student was black he wouldn't have acted this way in the first place, or maybe it would have been 100% exactly the same. why bring it up? It's not a can of worms, it's 100% irrelevant speculation that serves zero purpose.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
I am absolutely familiar with this case, I'm pretty sure I posted about it on this board when it happened, and it's despicable. I've always maintained that there needs to be greater oversight of police.
What does this prove though? That people aren't treated differently based on what they look like? You're posting one isolated incident as if it's proof that people aren't treated differently.
I don't think the course of events would have been the same if this kid was black. I'm not apologizing for that.
Also, Peter in ATL, whatever you tell yourself. Your MO is insulting people and trying to be mean. Go for it dude, idc. Have fun lashing out at anyone who doesn't agree with you.
The fact that you're all getting pissy because I said this would have been different if the kid was black isn't unexpected, but isn't really something that people should strike a nerve so much. What's the alternative - that everything would have been the same? Nah, I don't think so.
Also, pjacs18, I'm not white.
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
That's the type of fucker you'd probably like to wipe the smirk off of with a face cuff.
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I am absolutely familiar with this case, I'm pretty sure I posted about it on this board when it happened, and it's despicable. I've always maintained that there needs to be greater oversight of police.
What does this prove though? That people aren't treated differently based on what they look like? You're posting one isolated incident as if it's proof that people aren't treated differently.
I don't think the course of events would have been the same if this kid was black. I'm not apologizing for that.
Also, Peter in ATL, whatever you tell yourself. Your MO is insulting people and trying to be mean. Go for it dude, idc. Have fun lashing out at anyone who doesn't agree with you.
The fact that you're all getting pissy because I said this would have been different if the kid was black isn't unexpected, but isn't really something that people should strike a nerve so much. What's the alternative - that everything would have been the same? Nah, I don't think so.
Also, pjacs18, I'm not white.
YOU used Martese Johnson as an example as to why this situation may have been different if the kid in the OP was black.
However, Martese Johnson was NOT mistreated because he was black. He was mistreated because the ABC in C-ville is f-cked up.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion racial bias.
Fixed.
The only way we will resolve this is to do the experiment. Sonic, as you say, you're not white, and while I'm not sure Indian is the best way sample to test, since you are looking fort something to do besides work, you might want to try to test your hypothesis by driving to Storrs so you can belligerently demand some bacon jalapeno mac n cheese. Drink first (or do your pot thing) so that we can limit the variables compared to Mr. Gatti.
I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
lol @ racially biased. That's hilarious. My roommates white, 80% of my friends are white, numerous in-laws of mine are white, my cousins are half white, probably 75% of my girlfriends were white. But yeah, I hate white people, lol.
Whatever dude. Just come up with another creative insult like "shitforbrains" to toss at me because I have an opinion that this kid would have been treated differently.
The only way we will resolve this is to do the experiment. Sonic, as you say, you're not white, and while I'm not sure Indian is the best way sample to test, since you are looking fort something to do besides work, you might want to try to test your hypothesis by driving to Storrs so you can belligerently demand some bacon jalapeno mac n cheese. Drink first (or do your pot thing) so that we can limit the variables compared to Mr. Gatti.
Yeah, I mean I never said it wasn't. It's just my own conjecture. I'm not trying to prove anything or convince anyone of anything.
That's all, just my opinion on the matter. As I said, I'm not trying to prove anything.
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I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
lol @ racially biased. That's hilarious. My roommates white, 80% of my friends are white, numerous in-laws of mine are white, my cousins are half white, probably 75% of my girlfriends were white. But yeah, I hate white people, lol.
Whatever dude. Just come up with another creative insult like "shitforbrains" to toss at me because I have an opinion that this kid would have been treated differently.
Apparently they saw him bring a beer into the cafeteria. I guess he doesn't realize that restaurants have the right to refuse service to anyone.
The kid's name is Luke Gatti. I wonder if he acts up because it sounds like Gotti and he thinks he needs to act like an anti-authoritative prick all the time.
yikes, you keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.
let's face it. you're racist with a victim mentality.
Everyone seems to have a minority they are best friends with. I think this is the Cris Carter "fall guy" scenario....
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No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion racial bias.
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Nah, wrong again. I think most people, regardless of race, would have reacted differently if this dude was black.
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No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion racial bias.
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Nah, wrong again. I think most people, regardless of race, would have reacted differently if this dude was black.
We know that you certainly would have reacted differently.
I felt the food service workers showed incredible patience, until they finally had to take him down.
Parents must be proud.
His dad is probably just embarrassed and disappointed because he didn't get the food he demanded.
Assholes like this are made far more often than they're born.
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I'm not a dick to everyone. I am to racially biased shitforbrains such as you. I've been here for 2 decades.
lol @ racially biased. That's hilarious. My roommates white, 80% of my friends are white, numerous in-laws of mine are white, my cousins are half white, probably 75% of my girlfriends were white. But yeah, I hate white people, lol.
Whatever dude. Just come up with another creative insult like "shitforbrains" to toss at me because I have an opinion that this kid would have been treated differently.
Oddly, this is the first time I've ever heard, I can be a racist; some of my best friends are...in this direction.
Lol I know, see how ridiculous it sounds?
yikes, you keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.
let's face it. you're racist with a victim mentality.
Nah, that's actually exactly what I'm saying the problem is. That he would be perceived as a bigger threat.
Therein lies the problem.
That's the thing, you never know who you're fucking with, or who will intervene on their behalf. A guy in our old college dorms went out of his way to chase a high school kid who was spitting on people riding bikes under an overpass he was standing on. He probably had 4 years and at least 80 pounds on the kid, and used them enough to get thrown in jail.
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
So youre basically accusing a man you know nothing about of being racist. That's all you're doing. "I don't know this guy but I'll bet he would've treated the kid differently if he were black". That's the definition of racial bias, to say nothing of slandering a man who had done nothing but show extreme patience and make every attempt to defuse the situation.
Where does it stop with you? If you can say that about this guy, who again you do not know, it's presumable to say you'd feel inclined to say that about anyone. Not every interaction is influenced by racism. In fact the only racism here is your assumption. Again, what do you know about this man to come to that conclusion? I think it's really shitty to put that on the manager, who again showed incredible restraint and displayed impeccable professionalism. To think he would've "come down harder" or acted differently if the kid was black is simply racism. Dumb racism. Like, Al Sharpton racism.
You obviously feel that way so you think all others should too. That's where the perception of bias comes into play.
Since you would feel more threatened by a similarly sized black kid, you think it is an accepted fact most people would.
I'll be honest with you, in a school building situation, I think that is unlikely. The location plays a big part of it. You would think you are dealing with a student who should have an acceptable grasp of rules and social protocols.
The only argument I'd offer is that the same kid, white or black, would probably be handled differently in a fast food joint at 1AM in a sketchy part of town.
I don't need to defend myself. It's just supporting evidence to how fucking laughable it is to paint me as "racist" based on what I said, which is actually not that outlandish.
not to mention there's a bit of a difference between "I have black friends!!" and "I literally have 2 uncles and an aunt that are white and 6 half white cousins".
Whatever you want dude. I made one comment that it would have been different if he's black. That's my opinion. It's admittedly conjecture but it's not like there haven't been occurrences that made me formulate that opinion.
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black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
How can you have statistics? Pretty much everyone says that the way *this* kid was treated was an anomaly in the sense that more often than not he would have been nut-punched right away.
"Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found."
If this kid were black, there is a good chance he'd suffer a harsher penalty. This is not debatable.
Racial Gap in Men's Sentencing - ( New Window )
Let's follow this line of thought...
Drunk black kid "appears more threatening" than drunk white kid. So what's the response in this hypothetical? You really think so,some who is intimidated is *more* likely to be disrespectful or become physical? With someone he's intimidated by/scared of? It makes no sense. And what "statistics" are you even referencing? Who keeps track of attacks on unruly customers by white fast food managers? Is that the census bureau or the NAACP?
Based on the footage in that video presuming a different reaction had the drunken ass in question had been black is nothing but blatant racism itself.
Oh sweet irony...
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Therein lies the problem.
You obviously feel that way so you think all others should too. That's where the perception of bias comes into play.
Since you would feel more threatened by a similarly sized black kid, you think it is an accepted fact most people would.
I'll be honest with you, in a school building situation, I think that is unlikely. The location plays a big part of it. You would think you are dealing with a student who should have an acceptable grasp of rules and social protocols.
The only argument I'd offer is that the same kid, white or black, would probably be handled differently in a fast food joint at 1AM in a sketchy part of town.
Yeah, the school setting could definitely impact it, that's a good point.
It's not an answerable question beyond one's opinion.
And it's an inflammatory speculative.
the facts are the facts, beyond that nothing is known. Maybe if he were black they would have felt threatened and never even approached him with the open beer bottle and just gave him some bacon jalapeno mac n cheese, or maybe they would have shot him, or maybe they would have called the cops.
no one knows. bringing it up with a "I know how it would have went down" attitude IS racially biased. That is also undeniable.
I believe this happened at a cafeteria at UConn. Anyone who thinks a black student would be treated worse in the PC world of higher education, in particular in New England, is nuts.
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black people appear more threatening to white people. Who knows what would have happened if he were black? You'd like to think that they'd be treated similarly but I'm not sure if the actual statistics would say the same thing.
How can you have statistics? Pretty much everyone says that the way *this* kid was treated was an anomaly in the sense that more often than not he would have been nut-punched right away.
"Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found."
If this kid were black, there is a good chance he'd suffer a harsher penalty. This is not debatable. Racial Gap in Men's Sentencing - ( New Window )
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defense.
I don't need to defend myself. It's just supporting evidence to how fucking laughable it is to paint me as "racist" based on what I said, which is actually not that outlandish.
not to mention there's a bit of a difference between "I have black friends!!" and "I literally have 2 uncles and an aunt that are white and 6 half white cousins".
Whatever you want dude. I made one comment that it would have been different if he's black. That's my opinion. It's admittedly conjecture but it's not like there haven't been occurrences that made me formulate that opinion.
So the manager couldn't be married to black girl? He couldn't have black aunts and uncles? You labelled that guy pretty quickly.
Have you read the other posts here agreeing with me that you have a racial bias issue? Do you really lack that much self awareness?
Words to live by kids.
At the least we'd be calling him a thug instead of an asshole.
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Drunk black kid perceived as a "bigger threat"(ie-more intimidating, more likely to resort to violence, etc), so you think that means the manager is more likely to "rough him up"? That's completely counterintuitive.
No offense man but you sound really dumb here. Put down the shovel.
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Posting using your phone too, I see.
I know myself, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone regarding prejudice.
What's funny is that I didn't even say anything about how white people act. I said that if this kid was black, this would have turned out different. Don't contort that into "kill whitey", cause it's not.
If you think that equates to prejudice, that's on you.
hahaha good catch.
I was listening to ESPN Radio the other morning, and they kept playing this clip of Alex Rodriguez saying things like "these games are life and death. literally life and death situations, literally".
So funny.
Whether that statement is true or not has no bearing from a definition standpoint. It is clearly your perception or belief, which is the definition of bias.
You believe one thing over another. Again - that's even without making a judgment on whether or not your belief is correct or not.
I know myself, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone regarding prejudice.
What's funny is that I didn't even say anything about how white people act. I said that if this kid was black, this would have turned out different. Don't contort that into "kill whitey", cause it's not.
If you think that equates to prejudice, that's on you.
Kill Whitey??? WTF are you talking about? No one said that or anything close. You are contorting being told you have a racial bias. Combine that with your authority issues and well, you have a long way to go.
Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Posting using your phone too, I see. [/quote]
Not sure of the relevance but no, I'm on my iPad. They have autocorrect too. Any chance you want to address the rest of the post, or just the typos?
that definitely qualifies as thinking of them as glass half full! so you get style points for thinking positively. :)
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Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Posting using your phone too, I see.
Not sure of the relevance but no, I'm on my iPad. They have autocorrect too. Any chance you want to address the rest of the post, or just the typos? [/quote]
No, I'm just sharing in the unpleasant experience.
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Drunk black kid perceived as a "bigger threat"(ie-more intimidating, more likely to resort to violence, etc), so you think that means the manager is more likely to "rough him up"? That's completely counterintuitive.
No offense man but you sound really dumb here. Put down the shovel.
Nah, I've said over and over again I'm not talking about the manager, who was clearly doing the right thing and keeping his hands off the kid.
Personally, I think the cops would have probably been there sooner and may have roughed him up a little more when arresting him. Frankly though, depending on how much they roughed him up, it'd have been justified, as long as they weren't like throwing punches or repeatedly slamming his head into the ground after they took him down.
In retrospect, it was kind of the wrong tree to bark up. This kid was given a long leash, and while I still don't think he would have been given the same leash if he was black, everyone else handled this pretty marvelously - from the manager, to the cops, to even the kids who recorded it and put it on Youtube. Personally, I don't think that it would have turned out exactly the same if he was black,
BUT, it really is pointless conjecture considering that these people all took care of this douche in the proper manner.
A black kid would definitely have a shorter leash, but since this kid was given way too long of a leash to be a total dickhead anyway, does it really matter?
Having said that, my comment was pretty much just a throwaway comment that I do believe to interesting. I don't think a black kid would have been given that much leeway to act like such a dickbag, but it's not like he'd deserve as much leeway anyway.
tl;dr: sorry my post caused a ruckus, I still stand by the principle that things probably would have been different, but its immaterial regardless since anyone who acts like this deserves to be taken down and arrested... and there's no way of knowing how this particular group of people would have handled it.
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Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Posting using your phone too, I see.
Not sure of the relevance but no, I'm on my iPad. They have autocorrect too. Any chance you want to address the rest of the post, or just the typos?
No, I'm just sharing in the unpleasant experience. [/quote]
The unpleasant experience of typing from a mobile device or addressing baseless accusations of racial bias?
I just want to say I'm sorry for the misconception. My friend's dad, who is a high ranking executive at the Department of Transportation, was driving this shitty Chevy Impala all these years because it statistically reduced his chances of getting pulled over, which he always feared because he's black. I can't wait to give him the news that he's now safe to upgrade.
that definitely qualifies as thinking of them as glass half full! so you get style points for thinking positively. :)
Haha, I feel like this is a milk in a glass joke, unless it went over my head or something.
But yeah, trust me man, I'm definitely not one of those mega SJW's who hate the "cisgendered white capitalist male patriarchy!!!!!"
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but if this kid was black, shit would have gone down WAY differently.
Gotta disagree here. With recent events across the nation, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc, I think it would've gone down the same way. There were cameras everywhere and the staff showed incredible restraint after he put his hands on several people multiple times. Are you suggesting that, had he been black, they would have simply roughed him up and called the police? Like I said, the current racial climate, the managers restraint, and the presence of dozens of cameras make me think that if the student in question was black it would've gone down the same way or the staff would've shown more restraint, lest become the newest face of oppressive, systematic racism perpetrated by whites in "power" (ie-a university cafe manager) against a disenfranchised black youth.
No, I just don't think they'd show the same patience with him, and he may have been roughed up a little more. Mostly bc I think he'd be perceived as a bigger threat if he was black, but that's just my personal opinion.
Again,cleats follow this train of thought a little...
Drunk black kid perceived as a "bigger threat"(ie-more intimidating, more likely to resort to violence, etc), so you think that means the manager is more likely to "rough him up"? That's completely counterintuitive.
No offense man but you sound really dumb here. Put down the shovel.
Nah, I've said over and over again I'm not talking about the manager, who was clearly doing the right thing and keeping his hands off the kid.
Personally, I think the cops would have probably been there sooner and may have roughed him up a little more when arresting him. Frankly though, depending on how much they roughed him up, it'd have been justified, as long as they weren't like throwing punches or repeatedly slamming his head into the ground after they took him down.
In retrospect, it was kind of the wrong tree to bark up. This kid was given a long leash, and while I still don't think he would have been given the same leash if he was black, everyone else handled this pretty marvelously - from the manager, to the cops, to even the kids who recorded it and put it on Youtube. Personally, I don't think that it would have turned out exactly the same if he was black,
BUT, it really is pointless conjecture considering that these people all took care of this douche in the proper manner.
A black kid would definitely have a shorter leash, but since this kid was given way too long of a leash to be a total dickhead anyway, does it really matter?
Having said that, my comment was pretty much just a throwaway comment that I do believe to interesting. I don't think a black kid would have been given that much leeway to act like such a dickbag, but it's not like he'd deserve as much leeway anyway.
tl;dr: sorry my post caused a ruckus, I still stand by the principle that things probably would have been different, but its immaterial regardless since anyone who acts like this deserves to be taken down and arrested... and there's no way of knowing how this particular group of people would have handled it.
You are BBI's ultimate troll. Nothing you're saying makes any sense, but you just keep replying and insulting people to get a rise out of them.
Anyway, you're wrong, and here's why: My post didn't single out white people. You put that in yourself. What I said was that this would have turned out differently if this kid was black. This is because I feel that society as a whole and authorities look at black people as a threat more than white people, if everything else is considered equal.
My own family is not above this. My 75 year old Indian Grandma definitely perceives black people as more of a threat than white people.
All I want is to reach a point in our country where that doesn't happen.
Does it apply to this case? No, not really... But it was more just something I was thinking to myself and posted. "Would this turn out the same way if this kid was black?".
Personally, my answer is no. If you feel it would, then good for you.
So please spare me the troll-ish bullshit about how I'm racist, or some shit.
Also, there's a difference between prejudice and racist. Racism comes from a position of power, while anyone can be prejudiced. It's semantics, but still.
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So sad. I'm sure you can count on your bias coming up in future threads.
You are BBI's ultimate troll. Nothing you're saying makes any sense, but you just keep replying and insulting people to get a rise out of them.
Anyway, you're wrong, and here's why: My post didn't single out white people. You put that in yourself. What I said was that this would have turned out differently if this kid was black. This is because I feel that society as a whole and authorities look at black people as a threat more than white people, if everything else is considered equal.
My own family is not above this. My 75 year old Indian Grandma definitely perceives black people as more of a threat than white people.
All I want is to reach a point in our country where that doesn't happen.
Does it apply to this case? No, not really... But it was more just something I was thinking to myself and posted. "Would this turn out the same way if this kid was black?".
Personally, my answer is no. If you feel it would, then good for you.
So please spare me the troll-ish bullshit about how I'm racist, or some shit.
Also, there's a difference between prejudice and racist. Racism comes from a position of power, while anyone can be prejudiced. It's semantics, but still.
Why are you saying "racist"??? When did I use that word? I said "racial bias". Racial is an adjective used to describe your bias. Do you not know the difference? Are dumb or just stoned?
I can draw my own conclusions, and you're free to draw your own.
Based on my own experiences, experiences of people I know, and what I see around the country, I don't think it would have been the same if this dude was black.
Feel free to disagree; your opinion can differ from mine. But I'm failing to see what's so offensive about feeling that way. It's not an indictment on white people, no matter how much Peter in ATL wants you to think it is.
You could have left this alone and just witnessed how all races act like assholes sometimes.
You're so witty.
Racist, racial bias, it doesn't matter what you said since you're wrong. Nothing I said implies any racial bas against white people.
And if your getting your panties in a bunch this much about purported racial bias on a message board against whites, you should be counting your fucking lucky stars every night that you aren't of any other different ethnicity or race.
In a college (UConn)dining hall? Yeah, it would have turned out differently. The manager would have been fired.
Personally, I think the cops would have probably been there sooner ...
Maybe it's the assistant who made the 911 call who is the racist..."Hey, take your time in coming over; it's only a white kid".
It is OK to just admit it and then stand by it. But you cannot state based on your posts on this thread there isn't any bias on your part. It meets every criteria for the definition, including believing a certain scenario to be fact.
There's really no problem with that, but I find it odd that you believe what you do and refuse to see it is bias.
You could have left this alone and just witnessed how all races act like assholes sometimes.
These exact people? Yeah, you're right, I don't know them. But I think there's a multitude of evidence within society as a whole to support that the situation may have turned out differently if some of the variables were changed, including the race of the douchebag. If you're going to tell me there's no evidence within society to support this sentiment, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Essentially, you're saying there's no evidence to believe that people are treated based on skin color. I disagree with that.
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from out of nowhere about how a black kid would have been treated differently when you have no idea. None. Zero. Nada.
You could have left this alone and just witnessed how all races act like assholes sometimes.
These exact people? Yeah, you're right, I don't know them. But I think there's a multitude of evidence within society as a whole to support that the situation may have turned out differently if some of the variables were changed, including the race of the douchebag. If you're going to tell me there's no evidence within society to support this sentiment, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Essentially, you're saying there's no evidence to believe that people are treated based on skin color. I disagree with that.
All I have said is that you have a racial bias. That is a fact. You refuse to admit it but all anyone has to do is read your posts on this thread to see that you have a bias and it is based on race.
It could have been a shitty Jeep.
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Based on my own experiences, experiences of people I know, and what I see around the country, I don't think it would have been the same if this dude was black
It is OK to just admit it and then stand by it. But you cannot state based on your posts on this thread there isn't any bias on your part. It meets every criteria for the definition, including believing a certain scenario to be fact.
There's really no problem with that, but I find it odd that you believe what you do and refuse to see it is bias.
I get what you're saying. The reason I am deflecting the bias issue is simply because I'm not saying only white people would have treated this guy differently if he was black...I think everyone, whether it was an Asian, Indian, Spanish person, would have treated this guy different if he was black.
I didn't mean for it to be an indictment on white people.
Nobody is perfect and I'm sure we all have our own biases. I just never really thought of myself as having a bias against "white people", since most of the people I've associated with throughout my life are white.
I will readily admit I have biases against certain groups of people, but they typically are a level under race. For example, if someone is from a certain part of the country and has certain viewpoints or presents themselves a certain way (e.g. Confederate Flag), I will probably assume a few things about them.
FMiC, thanks for the civil discourse even though we disagree on certain subjects. Much appreciated.
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from out of nowhere about how a black kid would have been treated differently when you have no idea. None. Zero. Nada.
You could have left this alone and just witnessed how all races act like assholes sometimes.
These exact people? Yeah, you're right, I don't know them. But I think there's a multitude of evidence within society as a whole to support that the situation may have turned out differently if some of the variables were changed, including the race of the douchebag. If you're going to tell me there's no evidence within society to support this sentiment, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Essentially, you're saying there's no evidence to believe that people are treated based on skin color. I disagree with that.
But you pointed to this exact incident and these exact people and saying that this specifically would have been the outcome (as is Phil). Using a generalization to make a conclusion about a specific event. That's almost the very definition of bias.
Yes, you are correct and that was something I've thought about. It definitely occurred to me that I don't know these particular people, and honestly, that manager showed that he probably would NOT act differently based on who was being a dick to him. So you're 100% right.
I'm trying to find a way to subscribe to both at once though... like there has to be a way where these two trains of thought are not at odds with eachother, because I do believe both. On one hand, there's nothing these people did that shows that they would react differently to a POC. On the other hand, I do genuinely think the entire situation may have been more contentious and could have potentially escalated further if the douchebag was black.
I didn't reach my conclusion based on them being white though, and that's why I was refuting the racial bias aspect. I reached my conclusion based on how POCs, particularly black people, have been treated as bigger threats than equivalent whites in the past.
Not sure how I can reconcile these two viewpoints, but I do believe both of them. Like I said earlier in this post, if anything, actions of people like the manager actually prove moreso that they'd make an attempt to de-escalate the situation.
So yeah, you are totally right about passing judgement on the individual people, but I still have my doubts about whether this would have gone down the same way with a black guy. I'm not sure if there's a way to reconcile those two things.
I'm sure his parents paid for his tuition and meal plan so why can't the dude eat? Why is some jackass denying him food? Cuz he's a drunk asshole? Just give him his food and file a complaint.
As for the cell phone camera, LOL, wow what assholes we have today. Nobody would help either of these poor individuals out?? The poor lunch man just trying to follow status quo protocol and this punk spoiled brat just wanting some Mac and cheese before he goes back to the dorm and jerks off for the night
I didn't double down because I'm biased just like all of you - but it's not based on race.
I've made it a conscious point to do this my whole life because I want to believe and try to convince myself that people aren't looking at me and sizing me up based on my race.
Peter, you keep saying racial bias but you haven't pointed out where it's racial. I've said ad nauseum over and over again that I didn't single out white people for thinking that a black person would be more threatening, but rather referred to pretty much everyone. You're trying to twist it into a racial bias against whites.
I think you just wanted to bring race into something which was a confrontation but which had no racial component whatsoever. Just because.
I think you just wanted to bring race into something which was a confrontation but which had no racial component whatsoever. Just because.
obviously race has nothing to do with this story.
I brought it up because someone on another site posted a similar comment and I was thinking about it on my way to work.
Anyway, presented with those two dichotomous options, I still believe that things would have unfolded differently if the guy was black. If a black dude was acting like that and shoved someone in public 3x, I think there would be a stronger response than if a white dude was.
I don't view this as bias against white people because I believe people of pretty much any race would have perceived a black person as a bigger threat.
Other than the manager, who has shown that his cooler head prevails, I have nothing to base this off of other than the interactions I've seen before and read about before.
So it's speculation. And if this speculation crosses the line, then why speculate on any hypotheticals in any situation?
honestly though, I just want to get to a point in our country where the thought of two people being treated differently based on race doesn't even enter the minds of 99% of the population.
- Knew cops were involved
- Knew a young kid was involved
- Saw 180+ posts
- Saw Sonic Youth was most recent
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What about an awesome Impala?
The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
- Knew cops were involved
- Knew a young kid was involved
- Saw 180+ posts
- Saw Sonic Youth was most recent
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Nah stories different. Everyone but the kid was pretty awesome in this story.
The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
Interesting that you're the only person, who has insinuated that he may have been a douche. Strange take, IMO.
The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
Yeah but we dont know what happened that made him initial refuse him service, at least the version I saw. Considering how crazy that kid was, I think he probably did something to warrant being refused service.
Right when the tape rolls, he starts berating the guy for working in food service. What a fucking dipshit thing for a 19 year old to do. This kid sucks and he's gonna have a hard time getting a job after college.
Also, back in my day, we slummed it on Easy Mac. Bacon japapeno Mac N Cheese? Holy hell.
Gerod Roth, who was listed on Facebook as Geris Hilton, posted a selfie with Sydney Shelton's 3-year-old son Cayden on Sept. 16. Roth's friends soon started making extremely racist comments on the picture, saying things like, "I didn't know you were a slave owner" and "But Massuh, I dindu nuffin." Roth himself commented that Cayden "was feral." The post has since been deleted, but not before countless screengrabs were taken.
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"I just really feel upset, not only with myself, but also the character that was based off the comments that my friends had made," Roth told Atlanta's FOX 5 News. "Cayden has been victimized but I have been targeted."
He also claimed to have asked one of his Facebook friends to stop making racist remarks, and said he emailed Shelton an apology, but Shelton told FOX 5 that it didn't seem sincere.
"People post things in a [joking] manner and it gets taken a completely different way but I don't believe any of these people were joking," Shelton said.
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The kid deserved whatever he got the second he put his hands on another human being.
Having said that, unless the worker was under a specific directive to not serve inebriated people or something, he strikes me as a douche on a power trip. If the places around college didn't serve drunk when I was in school, I would've starved to death.
Again, he may have been under orders, in which case, ignore my last statement. But if he wasn't. I'm OK with him being publicly criticized in any way except physically.
Interesting that you're the only person, who has insinuated that he may have been a douche. Strange take, IMO.
It's FEK, did you expect anything different?
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
Indeed.
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
That was, more or less, my point... that they're even posting pictures of him leaving school. Social media is all over everything... this kid is going to have a hard time getting past this....
I'm just impressed that a thread about a YouTube about a drunk whiny brat gets 206 comments. And still climbing.
About to post the same. Idiot deserved a punch out.
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
Also, back in my day, we slummed it on Easy Mac. Bacon japapeno Mac N Cheese? Holy hell.
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But publicizing pictures of his dad packing up the car? What the hell is that all about? "hoo-hoo-hooo, he's packing up and leaving school cause he was expelled!" Why is this getting some sort of "breaking news" treatment?
The internet mob phenomenon is just really pathetic, regardless of the unsympathetic nature of the target.
Agreed. This kid deserves his expulsion, any legal ramifications, and even his public embarrassment. But, the pictures of him leaving campus are going overboard, in my opinion. He brought shame and embarrassment on himself. We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement.
I agree. It's sad that so many people take pleasure from other peoples misery.
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
He should be publicly shamed
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"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
If your going to be stupid you better be tough Steve.
You want to bring it on yourself you better be able to take it.
Handicapped or another situation, I agree with you.
Drunk dumb ass? Reap what you sow.
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"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
If your going to be stupid you better be tough Steve.
You want to bring it on yourself you better be able to take it.
Handicapped or another situation, I agree with you.
Drunk dumb ass? Reap what you sow.
He acts stupid and it gets posted online, I'm fine with that. But I disagree with you that "we should" be piling on by following his dad and taking pictures of the dad packing the car. So in this world of where we should pile on for our own entertainment in order he properly be taught a lesson exactly how far is the right amount, and who should determine that? Should people follow them driving home and maybe get a picture or two of them stopping at a rest stop to use the bathroom? Or perhaps maybe if someone stalks out his house there can be a few pictures of a crying mom to post online? Are siblings off limits or should they be included in order to properly teach the lesson he needs us to teach him?
I guess we just see it differently. I have zero issue with his being recorded being a drunken fool. But the need for so many in this country to then investigate and go after people and their family to get their pound of flesh or some twisted enjoyment from seeing people ground all the way down is what I find distasful.
LOL, you should have yelled "I want my bacon mac and cheese"!
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"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
If your going to be stupid you better be tough Steve.
You want to bring it on yourself you better be able to take it.
Handicapped or another situation, I agree with you.
Drunk dumb ass? Reap what you sow.
He acts stupid and it gets posted online, I'm fine with that. But I disagree with you that "we should" be piling on by following his dad and taking pictures of the dad packing the car. So in this world of where we should pile on for our own entertainment in order he properly be taught a lesson exactly how far is the right amount, and who should determine that? Should people follow them driving home and maybe get a picture or two of them stopping at a rest stop to use the bathroom? Or perhaps maybe if someone stalks out his house there can be a few pictures of a crying mom to post online? Are siblings off limits or should they be included in order to properly teach the lesson he needs us to teach him?
I guess we just see it differently. I have zero issue with his being recorded being a drunken fool. But the need for so many in this country to then investigate and go after people and their family to get their pound of flesh or some twisted enjoyment from seeing people ground all the way down is what I find distasful.
Did he deserve that? probably not.
If he would have done that in a business I owned?, he wouldn't have been there when the cops arrived.
Kids want to be stupid these days, they know it's on the nightly news.
Until recently, it was just those in the public eye everyone laughed at if the screwed up.
Now it's everyone.
Welcome to the future.
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"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
How about being arrested and kicked out of school? Do you honestly feel you're responsible to teach him a lesson?
If your going to be stupid you better be tough Steve.
You want to bring it on yourself you better be able to take it.
Handicapped or another situation, I agree with you.
Drunk dumb ass? Reap what you sow.
He acts stupid and it gets posted online, I'm fine with that. But I disagree with you that "we should" be piling on by following his dad and taking pictures of the dad packing the car. So in this world of where we should pile on for our own entertainment in order he properly be taught a lesson exactly how far is the right amount, and who should determine that? Should people follow them driving home and maybe get a picture or two of them stopping at a rest stop to use the bathroom? Or perhaps maybe if someone stalks out his house there can be a few pictures of a crying mom to post online? Are siblings off limits or should they be included in order to properly teach the lesson he needs us to teach him?
I guess we just see it differently. I have zero issue with his being recorded being a drunken fool. But the need for so many in this country to then investigate and go after people and their family to get their pound of flesh or some twisted enjoyment from seeing people ground all the way down is what I find distasful.
I hear you, but how much worse is the pic of his dad packing up his stuff when compared to the video? His spot has already been blown up.
IMO it isn't about whether it's worse or not. He was a obnoxious drunken fool and faced appropriate repercussions. Why do we have to take pictures of his family; caption them and post them online? Other than the feeding frenzy mentality or a taking a twisted pleasure out of getting a glimpse of a family's misery what is the real point beyond the video?
Emphasis on the wrong syllable and your a murderer.
With 24/7 cameras and reality tv, where did you think this was going to end up?
Welcome to everyone's life whether you want it or not.
Did he deserve that? probably not.
If he would have done that in a business I owned?, he wouldn't have been there when the cops arrived.
Kids want to be stupid these days, they know it's on the nightly news.
Until recently, it was just those in the public eye everyone laughed at if the screwed up.
Now it's everyone.
Welcome to the future.
But it was the comments about those very pictures that you responded to. Maybe you didn't realize that when you were responding.
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"We don't need to pile on simply for our own amusement."
Oh hell yes we should. How else do dickheads learn that actions have consequences?
Emphasis on the wrong syllable and your a murderer.
With 24/7 cameras and reality tv, where did you think this was going to end up?
Welcome to everyone's life whether you want it or not.
I never said I was surprised by it.
I was just about to post the same thing. This forum is fucked up. Going back to the OBJ fine thread to see who is the first to say that he got fined because he was black.
I have no problem with this kid being a poster child for that message.
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I was just about to post the same thing. This forum is fucked up. Going back to the OBJ fine thread to see who is the first to say that he got fined because he was black.
This might be the worst strawman ever posted on BBI.
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hahaha
I was just about to post the same thing. This forum is fucked up. Going back to the OBJ fine thread to see who is the first to say that he got fined because he was black.
This might be the worst strawman ever posted on BBI.
whatever you say jackass. Still, look at where this thread started, then read somewhere down the middle and where did the discussion morph to?
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I get more of an impression from that apology video that he's just a really immature kid, but that his apology was as well as he can do with something like that.
I think he covered all the bases, and not too horribly.
Maybe he'll learn from it. We can hope.
It's fantastic.
Yep, how they're dressed, tattoos, jewelry, and *gasp* even skin color effect how we perceive people based on preconceived notions. It's how our brains work and really no big deal when it is just that quick, initial impression that's easily dismissed.
It's when those biases override rational decision making and color (ha) your everyday interactions so much that it interferes with your or (worse) others lives that you really have and/or are part of a problem.
That sign is fucking hilarious, though.
I think the fact that you use the word "honestly" to describe it makes you sound disingenuous. What are you trying to hide?
I could sort of buy it if it weren't for his past history at his prior school. But that makes it pretty hard to believe he's anything but a prick, and this is just fake contrition to not get expelled from a second school.
One of the advantages of video is that many thousands of people are discovering this about themselves. And really, without this type of evidence, some of them may have suspected, but they didn't know for sure.