OBJ has not lived up to the hype so far this season.
More than anything the Giants need to get him going. Randle and Harris are what they are. There is no next level for them.
Beckham has to get back to being a dominate WR. He's played 1 good game out of 4 and in that game he was held without a catch in the second half of the game.
He's on pace for a 100 catch, 1200 yard season. How much else do you expect after 4 games in which he's seen double coverage on damn near every snap? He's averaging 6 catches a game and over 12 yards per catch. He's gone for over 80 yards in half the games thus far with a season high of 147. Both his TDs went for over 30 yards, with one for 67. Furthermore, going back to include last season, his 115 catches, 1500 yards, and 14 TDs are the most by a WR in his first 15 games in NFL history. So it's not like he's slowed down. He's simply not going to go for 8 catches for 125 yards every week.
Beckham broke the record for the most production over the first 16 games of any WR in league history and he's on pace for 100 catches again. And he's constantly drawing two defenders, freeing up open routes for other receivers
The only hype he's not living up to is unreasonable hype.
Beckham broke the record for the most production over the first 16 games of any WR in league history and he's on pace for 100 catches again. And he's constantly drawing two defenders, freeing up open routes for other receivers
The only hype he's not living up to is unreasonable hype.
It's pretty funny, actually. You have BBIers complaining about The Catch, over-exposure, etc, then you have some of the same people saying he's not doing enough. As we both pointed out, he's not only on pace for a 100 catch, 1,200 yard season but he just set a record for WR production over his first 16 games-115 catches, over 1,500 yards, and 14 TDs.
Perfect example of some people just never being satisfied.
Beckham has to get back to being a dominate WR. He's played 1 good game out of 4 and in that game he was held without a catch in the second half of the game.
He's played more than 1 good game, he just hasn't exploded for the 150 yards per game people saw last year. You said look beyond the numbers - but when you look beyond them, you see a guy constantly double-teamed and occupying a top CB usually. You have secondary WR's free, and they've been open. Parker, in particular, had several chances he didn't capitalize on. Randle is starting to.
He acts as though you're not allowed to hit him or something. If you take a good shot, jump up and act like its nothing. Contact is part of the game. Every time he takes a good hit he jumps up to retaliate.
I don't know why fans can't realize this. It is what it is. Jesus.
Agreed..if you don't get penalized, I'm fine with it. I would love to see some of these mo mo's on here play their tennis or golf, etc..I'm sure they all do the same, its human nature.
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Old Dirty Beckham : 1:37 pm : link : reply
didn't play well in either the cowboy game or the bills game. He was a non factor in those games.
Anytime he is reasonably healthy and on the field he will never be a non-factor. You don't completely judge a player who makes it easier for every other teammate on the field by his stats alone.
the 100 catches are great (I guess) but how many plays over 20 yards has beckham made? He's catching 5 yard hitches in front of defenders.
[i]The other big issue the Bills have faced in their two losses is the tempo of the opposing offense. New Englands Tom Brady averaged just 1.99 seconds from snap to attempted throw, while Eli Manning beat that Sunday, throwing on average just 1.82 seconds after taking the snap, according to the analytics website Pro Football Focus.
You're not getting 40 yard bombs when you play the quick pass game.
Where's Mario Williams' fine for dropping Jennings on his head?
Why? You want a pentalty for a regular tackle. He got Jennings in an awkward position and just tackled him as best he could. Unfortunately for Jennings first thing to hit the floor was his head.
next they'll be fining Jennings for brutaslly stiff arming
Where's Mario Williams' fine for dropping Jennings on his head?
Why? You want a pentalty for a regular tackle. He got Jennings in an awkward position and just tackled him as best he could. Unfortunately for Jennings first thing to hit the floor was his head.
He picked Jennings up off the ground and slammed him into the turf! That's a penalty, especially in today's game...
He didn't just tackle him. He lifted him and dumped him on the turf
.@OBJ_3: "I get punched every single game, hit in my face every single game, but like I said, it is what it is. We're playing football."
If that's true, then OBJ should realize those guys are a lot smarter than he is because they are not getting caught, whereas he got caught and made himself look like a biatch
.@OBJ_3: "I get punched every single game, hit in my face every single game, but like I said, it is what it is. We're playing football."
If that's true, then OBJ should realize those guys are a lot smarter than he is because they are not getting caught, whereas he got caught and made himself look like a biatch
I guess you missed all the personal foul penalties called on the Bills
of a Bills player (not in uniform) throwing a punch on the sideline. Where is his fine? Bills were playing dirty too so their whining is just sour grapes. Video - ( New Window )
he got caught because the Bills cried to the league.
True. But in every sport, you have to learn how to deliver shots without getting nailed. Beckham is just making things worse for himself with what he did.
about OBJ's (lack of) productivity so far this year. I started a thread about his miscommunications with Eli vs the Bills.
Beckham's lack of YPC and overall production is related to his miscommunications. Once he gets on the same page with Eli at > 90% of his targets, everything will open up for him, as much as possible vs various coverages. They need to hit on more of those back shoulder throws because that will put the corners tighter up on him, which will loosen up the opportunistic deep balls.
Plus, even on the shorter routes and back shoulder stuff, OBJ is great with the ball in his hands. He needs more opportunities to make the 1st guy miss, and that's mostly on him to get open for the stuff Eli is dictating at the LOS. Maybe the crowd noise bothered him last game, although I would guess most of Eli's LOS adjustments for the WRs are visual cues...
Beckham broke the record for the most production over the first 16 games of any WR in league history and he's on pace for 100 catches again. And he's constantly drawing two defenders, freeing up open routes for other receivers
The only hype he's not living up to is unreasonable hype.
His performance from last year added to this years performance has nothing to do with how he's doing this year. He's underperformed this year unless you think he's a good not great player.
against the Bills Beckham clearly did not run a couple of routes correctly. He has dropped a couple of a couple of jump balls against DB's that I thought he win. I think he gets on the same page with Eli, I think he catches balls that he didn't and I think he is the single biggest threat in the NFL and I thank the football Gods he is a Giant everyday
about OBJ's (lack of) productivity so far this year. I started a thread about his miscommunications with Eli vs the Bills.
Beckham's lack of YPC and overall production is related to his miscommunications. Once he gets on the same page with Eli at > 90% of his targets, everything will open up for him, as much as possible vs various coverages. They need to hit on more of those back shoulder throws because that will put the corners tighter up on him, which will loosen up the opportunistic deep balls.
Plus, even on the shorter routes and back shoulder stuff, OBJ is great with the ball in his hands. He needs more opportunities to make the 1st guy miss, and that's mostly on him to get open for the stuff Eli is dictating at the LOS. Maybe the crowd noise bothered him last game, although I would guess most of Eli's LOS adjustments for the WRs are visual cues...
I think this is right. As good as OBJ has been, I have a feeling he has another gear and for whatever reason, hasn't hit it this season.
We all like to project our own personal imagined morality plays on our favorite sports teams, so i'll offer as pure conjecture the idea that OBJ was better because he was less full of himself as a rookie. He was coming off a hamstring injury and had yet to prove himself, so he paid attention and concentrated on fulfilling the role the coaches outlined for him on a game to game basis. He was yet to be a superstar.
But that's what he is now, and there are more distractions. He's still bringing all his talent to each and every game, but the mental aspect, listening and being on the same page with Eli will make a quantitative difference on the field.
And I'm confident this light will turn on for OBJ.
More than anything the Giants need to get him going. Randle and Harris are what they are. There is no next level for them.
Beckham has to get back to being a dominate WR. He's played 1 good game out of 4 and in that game he was held without a catch in the second half of the game.
He's on pace for a 100 catch, 1200 yard season. How much else do you expect after 4 games in which he's seen double coverage on damn near every snap? He's averaging 6 catches a game and over 12 yards per catch. He's gone for over 80 yards in half the games thus far with a season high of 147. Both his TDs went for over 30 yards, with one for 67. Furthermore, going back to include last season, his 115 catches, 1500 yards, and 14 TDs are the most by a WR in his first 15 games in NFL history. So it's not like he's slowed down. He's simply not going to go for 8 catches for 125 yards every week.
The only hype he's not living up to is unreasonable hype.
The only hype he's not living up to is unreasonable hype.
It's pretty funny, actually. You have BBIers complaining about The Catch, over-exposure, etc, then you have some of the same people saying he's not doing enough. As we both pointed out, he's not only on pace for a 100 catch, 1,200 yard season but he just set a record for WR production over his first 16 games-115 catches, over 1,500 yards, and 14 TDs.
Perfect example of some people just never being satisfied.
Thus far one game is upping his average.
He's a phenomenal talent. But they need more big plays out of him as he's the threat on the offense to make big plays.
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What he did in the 12 games last year doesn't have anything to do with the first four games this year.
They need more out of him. Doenst mean he's not a top tier WR/player. But thus far he hasn't played anywhere close to the level he did a year ago.
Sounds like the guy is off to a terrible start.
You do realize that he's putting those numbers up against double-teams and usually matched up with the #1 CB, right?
Ahhh, better not answer that.
They need more big plays out of him. Don't think that's unfair, unobvious or anything to get defensive about.
He's played more than 1 good game, he just hasn't exploded for the 150 yards per game people saw last year. You said look beyond the numbers - but when you look beyond them, you see a guy constantly double-teamed and occupying a top CB usually. You have secondary WR's free, and they've been open. Parker, in particular, had several chances he didn't capitalize on. Randle is starting to.
He's played well, both stat-wise and effect wise.
Players like Brandon Marshall, Jeremy Maclin, Allen Robinson, James Jones, Allen Hurns, Travis Benjamin are ahead of him.
Not exactly what we expected. Long season ahead of him but I think the Giants need to get him on track and producing more big plays for this offense.
They need more big plays from him. 32 NFL players have more catches of 20+ yards. 19 players have just as many as he does.
He had the kind of half we expected of him against Atlanta and then had zero catches in a tight loss.
He can and will do better. I'd like to see that start happening sooner than later.
Agreed..if you don't get penalized, I'm fine with it. I would love to see some of these mo mo's on here play their tennis or golf, etc..I'm sure they all do the same, its human nature.
He had the kind of half we expected of him against Atlanta and then had zero catches in a tight loss.
extrapolating his first half against ATL to a whole season, your expectations are 4200 yards and 32 TDs?
Ummmkay...
Old Dirty Beckham : 1:37 pm : link : reply
didn't play well in either the cowboy game or the bills game. He was a non factor in those games.
Anytime he is reasonably healthy and on the field he will never be a non-factor. You don't completely judge a player who makes it easier for every other teammate on the field by his stats alone.
[i]The other big issue the Bills have faced in their two losses is the tempo of the opposing offense. New Englands Tom Brady averaged just 1.99 seconds from snap to attempted throw, while Eli Manning beat that Sunday, throwing on average just 1.82 seconds after taking the snap, according to the analytics website Pro Football Focus.
You're not getting 40 yard bombs when you play the quick pass game.
Didn't he have 2 big 3rd down catches on the final drive against Dallas?
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No, jackass. But a catch or two to convert a third down from our star WR might have been the diff in the game.
Didn't he have 2 big 3rd down catches on the final drive against Dallas?
But he didn't do that against Atl!!
And he seems to get little credit for the back breaking TD against Wash
Why? You want a pentalty for a regular tackle. He got Jennings in an awkward position and just tackled him as best he could. Unfortunately for Jennings first thing to hit the floor was his head.
.@OBJ_3: "I get punched every single game, hit in my face every single game, but like I said, it is what it is. We're playing football."
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Where's Mario Williams' fine for dropping Jennings on his head?
Why? You want a pentalty for a regular tackle. He got Jennings in an awkward position and just tackled him as best he could. Unfortunately for Jennings first thing to hit the floor was his head.
He picked Jennings up off the ground and slammed him into the turf! That's a penalty, especially in today's game...
.@OBJ_3: "I get punched every single game, hit in my face every single game, but like I said, it is what it is. We're playing football."
If that's true, then OBJ should realize those guys are a lot smarter than he is because they are not getting caught, whereas he got caught and made himself look like a biatch
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 36m36 minutes ago
.@OBJ_3: "I get punched every single game, hit in my face every single game, but like I said, it is what it is. We're playing football."
If that's true, then OBJ should realize those guys are a lot smarter than he is because they are not getting caught, whereas he got caught and made himself look like a biatch
I guess you missed all the personal foul penalties called on the Bills
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True. But in every sport, you have to learn how to deliver shots without getting nailed. Beckham is just making things worse for himself with what he did.
He had the kind of half we expected of him against Atlanta and then had zero catches in a tight loss.
He can and will do better. I'd like to see that start happening sooner than later.
and in the atlanta game, he had one nice TD catch that resulted in half of his total yards for the game and completely disappeared in the second half.
Beckham's lack of YPC and overall production is related to his miscommunications. Once he gets on the same page with Eli at > 90% of his targets, everything will open up for him, as much as possible vs various coverages. They need to hit on more of those back shoulder throws because that will put the corners tighter up on him, which will loosen up the opportunistic deep balls.
Plus, even on the shorter routes and back shoulder stuff, OBJ is great with the ball in his hands. He needs more opportunities to make the 1st guy miss, and that's mostly on him to get open for the stuff Eli is dictating at the LOS. Maybe the crowd noise bothered him last game, although I would guess most of Eli's LOS adjustments for the WRs are visual cues...
The only hype he's not living up to is unreasonable hype.
His performance from last year added to this years performance has nothing to do with how he's doing this year. He's underperformed this year unless you think he's a good not great player.
How many opportunities in the first four games has doubling OBJ given Randle, Parker and others?
Even looking at the stats, he's playing well. Looking at his overall effect, he's playing very well.
But, you'd have to not be a contrarian or look past stats to figure that out. But you've showed time and again you can't and won't.
How many opportunities in the first four games has doubling OBJ given Randle, Parker and others?
Even looking at the stats, he's playing well. Looking at his overall effect, he's playing very well.
But, you'd have to not be a contrarian or look past stats to figure that out. But you've showed time and again you can't and won't.
It took you 4 hrs and 12 minutes..I was beginning to worry
Beckham's lack of YPC and overall production is related to his miscommunications. Once he gets on the same page with Eli at > 90% of his targets, everything will open up for him, as much as possible vs various coverages. They need to hit on more of those back shoulder throws because that will put the corners tighter up on him, which will loosen up the opportunistic deep balls.
Plus, even on the shorter routes and back shoulder stuff, OBJ is great with the ball in his hands. He needs more opportunities to make the 1st guy miss, and that's mostly on him to get open for the stuff Eli is dictating at the LOS. Maybe the crowd noise bothered him last game, although I would guess most of Eli's LOS adjustments for the WRs are visual cues...
I think this is right. As good as OBJ has been, I have a feeling he has another gear and for whatever reason, hasn't hit it this season.
We all like to project our own personal imagined morality plays on our favorite sports teams, so i'll offer as pure conjecture the idea that OBJ was better because he was less full of himself as a rookie. He was coming off a hamstring injury and had yet to prove himself, so he paid attention and concentrated on fulfilling the role the coaches outlined for him on a game to game basis. He was yet to be a superstar.
But that's what he is now, and there are more distractions. He's still bringing all his talent to each and every game, but the mental aspect, listening and being on the same page with Eli will make a quantitative difference on the field.
And I'm confident this light will turn on for OBJ.
I don't know if that's true. Plenty of stories of truly great athletes doing lots of ego-feeding.
Lawrence Taylor says he disagrees...
What did Jerry Reese tell Odell Beckham Jr.?
Beckham: "Just keep doing your job. We love what you're doing." #Giants