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Too Melodramatic? Season's fate decided by two games?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/8/2015 12:10 pm
I'm starting to think the following two games are the most important the team has played in since 2011:

October 19 at Philadelphia

October 25 home against Dallas

I think the October 19 game is more psychologically important as the January 3 game against Philly would remain important on paper if we lost in Philadelphia.

The October 25 home game is a MUST game since we gave that game away in Dallas. Thing that sucks is we will have a short week (6 days) while Dallas will be coming off of a bye (14 full days to prepare even without Romo...Dez could be back).
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Curtis in VA : 10/8/2015 12:12 pm : link
I think if we beat the 49ers and the Eagles, carrying that momentum into Dallas in 6 days can't hurt. Aside from the injury aspect.
If we win the next two weeks and those two  
bradshaw44 : 10/8/2015 12:14 pm : link
Drop one or two of the next games then it won't be AS bad. But yea, I'd say divisional games against our two biggest rivals (one having beaten us already) are pretty damn important. Hopefully we are on a four game win streak at that point.
If were  
RIZZBIZZ : 10/8/2015 12:14 pm : link
Healthy no way Dallas wins
Whoops  
bradshaw44 : 10/8/2015 12:14 pm : link
3 game win streak that is. The. Four games to Dallas.
Giants on a short week  
dep026 : 10/8/2015 12:17 pm : link
Dallas off a bye.

Good job schedule makers!
Split in your division,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/8/2015 12:18 pm : link
take care of business outside of it..That's the recipe imv
Ask me next week...  
rptl530 : 10/8/2015 12:20 pm : link
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Fuck that  
GMenLTS : 10/8/2015 12:20 pm : link
we're going 7-2 headed into the New England showdown.
going forward  
fkap : 10/8/2015 12:20 pm : link
there are 'must win' games.

however at the end of the year, if we miss the playoffs because of a tie breaker, any loss is what decided it. An opening day loss is just as much to blame for missing the playoffs as a closing day loss.

I hope it doesn't come down to that, because the first Dallas game was a W in the books until we absolutely fucked it up with the equivalent of Eli/McAdoo/TC saying 'hold my beer and watch this'.
I don't think they're must win games  
BurlyMan : 10/8/2015 12:25 pm : link
That said, going 3-1 in the division at the end of October would be monstrous and would put a huge amount of pressure on the rest of the division. Division games are always tough.
The opportunity  
Chris684 : 10/8/2015 12:28 pm : link
for us to take a stangle hold on this division is right there.

We have a mediocre at best Niner team flying across country for a Sunday nighter.

The Eagles are hosting a (now) live dog in New Orleans with Brees back in the mix.

The Skins are @ Falcons...good luck with that.

Weeden vs Little Bill. Enough said.

Add in the quarterback situation in this division for the foreseeable future and the upcoming schedule, the Giants are positioned to do major damage the next 3 weeks. We'll see if they are up for the challenge.
The season  
ryanmkeane : 10/8/2015 12:29 pm : link
won't necessarily be won or lost on these games, but I agree they are of great importance. If we can SOMEHOW win in Philly, this team will have a ton of confidence, and I kind of like the short week after that. Keep the train rolling.

Have to take care of business Sunday night, I'm thinking the offense will really start to take off. It's a few plays and kinks away from being a consistent 30+ scoring offense.
Yes.  
St. Jimmy : 10/8/2015 12:30 pm : link
Lose to the Eagles and this has the feeling of last year until they prove otherwise.

Losing to the Cowboys would be really bad. It will be very tough to win the division.
This is the same...  
jogo1 : 10/8/2015 12:35 pm : link
2 game stretch which effectively ended the season last year after a 3-2 start.
RE: Fuck that  
bradshaw44 : 10/8/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12534299 GMenLTS said:
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we're going 7-2 headed into the New England showdown.


From your keyboard to Gods ears.
If the giants win their next 3  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/8/2015 12:40 pm : link
They're 5-2. The eagles would still have a chance but with Dallas schedule they'd almost be out of it.
Agree with BB'56  
aka dbrny : 10/8/2015 12:40 pm : link
Split in your division,
Big Blue '56 : 12:18 pm : link : reply

take care of business outside of it..That's the recipe imv
i'll take a step further  
djm : 10/8/2015 12:42 pm : link
and say if the Giants win the next 3 games they win the East running away.

These next 3 weeks are fucking huge. No more fucking around. Want to develop a new culture here with the Giants and bury the last 2.5 years of shit? Win the next 3. Don't let Philly off the hook and give that team new life and ditto for Dallas.

I want fans to whine and bitch that the Giants were gifted this division due to all the injuries. I can already here the whining out of the Dallas fan base but the only way this happens is to take the division from them. Shame on NY if they don't take it this year. IT's on a fucking platter.

This is a huge October for this franchise. Don't wanna hear any fucking excuses. Kennard is hurt? Boo fucking hoo...deal with it. No Cruz? Too fucking bad....deal with it. Win these games. Step on their fucking throats. The OL is healthy the RBs are healthy the QB is healthy and most of the WRs are healthy. Take it. No excuses. This team is plenty good enough to win 10.
Right now I'm focused on the game this Sunday  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/8/2015 12:45 pm : link
Let's see how the Giants fare and perform - one game at a time - there also may still be some tinkering with the personnel.

I would agree that our October division games are important, but it is too melodramatic to say today that our season's fate will be decided by two games. I mean - what if the Giants lose those 2 games and win out all the others?

DEEAAATH !!!!

DEEAAAATH TO ALL OUR OPPONENTS !!!!

GO GIANTS !!!!

Yeah
Looking back, Giant could have had two more playoff berths  
LAXin : 10/8/2015 12:47 pm : link
if they made just one more play in a game.

2010, the game against the Eagles: made any one of several plays during that 7-minute collapse, and the Giants would have won that game and gone to the play offs, if nothing else changed.

2012, the game against the Eagles: made that last second FG on the second attempt after the 1st try had gone long enough but wide, then again the Giants would have been in the post season, if nothing else changed.

Neither was too much to asked for. I sincerely hope we don't miss the post season by 1 game this year ......
I don't think it's dramatic  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 12:49 pm : link
I think it's one of those situations where we can win and still fuck up the season, but I don't think we can lose and rebound.
a fact to remember  
GMenLTS : 10/8/2015 12:51 pm : link
Eli is Mr. October.

32-9 career record in october. 4 of those losses in the past two years with shitty teams.

I expect a return to October greatness the next three weeks.
seriously  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/8/2015 12:55 pm : link
Giants have six days and Cowboys the bye? Surprised they didn't make it at Dallas.
@Eric  
shabu : 10/8/2015 12:56 pm : link
Given the pressure on the coaching staff around this season and the crap we have seen since 2011 i think you are spot on.
RE: seriously  
Tom in NY : 10/8/2015 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12534414 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants have six days and Cowboys the bye? Surprised they didn't make it at Dallas.


Just like in 2011 when the Giants had to play at New Orleans in prime time, and return home to Green Bay coming off their bye.

Why they can't just make all the byes over a 4 week period and teams coming off byes can play each other is beyond me. Just too simple I guess.

This is the first thing I look at when the schedule comes out every spring, and the league seems to hit the same teams with it every year.
As per the original post....  
Tom in NY : 10/8/2015 1:04 pm : link
When you start you season off 0-2, and one of those losses is to a division opponent, and the other a home loss...the remaining division games will always seem to be "must wins."
The 2012 game in Washington was huge.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/8/2015 1:04 pm : link
Giants were 7-4. Redskins were 5-6. Skins won a nail-biter and ran the table to win the division. Giants limped home at 9-7. The earlier loss in Philly was less obviously pivotal, but hugely costly in the long run (esp. Kenny Phillips).

Last year's game in Philly was big too. Unfortunately, the Giants got blown out and lost Cruz, who hasn't played since.
Next 3 scheduled games for each NFC East team  
Chris684 : 10/8/2015 1:06 pm : link
NYG (SF, @Philly, Dallas)

Dallas (NE, BYE, @Giants, Seattle *no Romo*

Philly (NO, NYG, @Car)

Skins (@Atl, @NYJ, Bucs)

The non-division opponents for our division rivals includes Seattle, NE, @Atl, @Car, @NYJ

This is a huge opportunity.
Critical division games vital to our season?  
Torrag : 10/8/2015 1:08 pm : link
You really went out on a limb for this one Eric. lol
RE: RE: seriously  
LAXin : 10/8/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12534454 Tom in NY said:
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Why they can't just make all the byes over a 4 week period and teams coming off byes can play each other is beyond me. Just too simple I guess.


I agree. Some of scheduling changes that I think make sense: 18-week season with two bye weeks; Super Bowl is on the Sunday before Presidents' Day so we get the day after off; Thursday night games are always with two teams coming out of the bye; Monday night games are always with two teams going into a bye; each team has 3 or 4 short-term IR spots.
a win vs dallas is a **MUST**  
micky : 10/8/2015 1:17 pm : link
If envisions of winning this division. They also have to get over the hump of beating philly. Going too long with losses vs that team overall the last few years.

Win your division games
Yes, it is "Too Melodramatic"  
Semipro Lineman : 10/8/2015 1:19 pm : link
Next question...
Those two games are enormous  
Go Terps : 10/8/2015 1:42 pm : link
Huge opportunity.

RE: Yes, it is  
micky : 10/8/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12534507 Semipro Lineman said:
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Next question...


next question: "Season's fate decided by two games?"
Agreed, Eric.  
Randy in CT : 10/8/2015 2:15 pm : link
Too melodramatic.
I'll be at the 10/19 game  
MotownGIANTS : 10/8/2015 2:23 pm : link
with "Da Crew" .... Should be fun ... even though there'll be a few Cowboy fans there as well...
RE: I'll be at the 10/19 game  
micky : 10/8/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12534707 MotownGIANTS said:
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with "Da Crew" .... Should be fun ... even though there'll be a few Cowboy fans there as well...


Why would there be Dallas fans in philly?
I think the next game against the Niners is a pivotal game.....  
Simms11 : 10/8/2015 3:04 pm : link
first we have to take care of the Niners at home and then we can start looking at those next two games. We can't afford to take a step back now and must maintain the momentum. With that said, we are getting Philly again on a Monday night in their house. Seems somewhat similar to last years situation, except the Eagles are reeling and we should be coming in with some momentum, if we win this week. Lastly, Dallas, although coming off a bye, has to come to our house. I think things may look different in those two games regardless of preparation time. We have to at least split with Dallas and Philly and beat Washington twice IMO. Health will be a big factor and right now, we can only hope we have our horses available when we play Philly.
Win 2 out of the next 3  
arniefez : 10/8/2015 3:30 pm : link
The Giants are in the race as long as one of the wins is Dallas. I doubt a wild card will come out of the NFC East and from the look of the 1st qtr of the season divisional tie breakers will be vital.
RE: Win 2 out of the next 3  
Big Blue '56 : 10/8/2015 3:50 pm : link
In comment 12534869 arniefez said:
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The Giants are in the race as long as one of the wins is Dallas. I doubt a wild card will come out of the NFC East and from the look of the 1st qtr of the season divisional tie breakers will be vital.


Race, what race? You gave up after the Dallas loss
they are certainly important games  
Les in TO : 10/8/2015 4:30 pm : link
if we win both we are in very good shape but not promised anything especially how we have historically played in November. if we lose both, they are damaging as we would be 1-3 in the division, but not fatal to the season.

we need to stay reasonably healthy - no more blood clots, MRSA cases, fireworks accidents or other freak injuries
I hate when fans talk about  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/8/2015 5:06 pm : link
the 1 game at a time approach? We're not on the team.
RE: I hate when fans talk about  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/8/2015 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12535148 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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the 1 game at a time approach? We're not on the team.


Yeah - I hate when fans don't take the one game at a time approach -- because they start wildly hallucinating and working themselves, and all their impressionable readers, into a lather of unreality -

the season is about the next game dude - just look all around you - the psyche of this site lives and dies with each game ----- and seasonal forecasts and perspectives change with each game

two weeks ago after two games, there was no season. Now, after four games, two games in October will decide the season? See, there's really no perspective here.

So me, I look at this team game to game, because, they are a work in progress
agree with Eric  
mdc1 : 10/9/2015 1:11 pm : link
beat our NFC East opponents are really important as we look like we can compete and win with the rest of the schedule, but any game can hurt us knowing our consistency problems.
Missed it by that much  
shyster : 10/9/2015 1:55 pm : link
December 3, 2012 Monday night in DC. Win that game and win the division, instead of being shut out of playoffs altogether. 17-16 loss in game should have won. Settled for short FGs. Lots of flags, including holding call on Beatty that killed the last drive.

I'd have to rate that a bit more important than Sunday upcoming.

(Also had chance to make wild card with a win in two later December road games (Falcons/Ravens).)
RE: RE: seriously  
MetsAreBack : 10/9/2015 2:03 pm : link
In comment 12534454 Tom in NY said:
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Why they can't just make all the byes over a 4 week period and teams coming off byes can play each other is beyond me. Just too simple I guess.



Not good for TV ratings, not good for fantasy football, and not good for FanDuel/DraftKings, that's why. The league is running a business.

I agree they should be more coordinated than this on scheduling but i suppose there are a lot of factors that go into when venues can actually host games. I liked the idea above to institute a 2nd bye week. Fans would like that too as its another weekend of (fantasy) football.

And I really dont understand why every thursday game is Divisional. These games are worth like 1.5 games and you have teams on short rest with no time to prepare. They should have bye weeks the week preceeding - which is easier to do when you go back to two bye weeks.
RE: RE: I hate when fans talk about  
BlueLou : 10/9/2015 7:05 pm : link
In comment 12535216 gidiefor said:
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In comment 12535148 Old Dirty Beckham said:


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the 1 game at a time approach? We're not on the team.



Yeah - I hate when fans don't take the one game at a time approach -- because they start wildly hallucinating and working themselves, and all their impressionable readers, into a lather of unreality -

the season is about the next game dude - just look all around you - the psyche of this site lives and dies with each game ----- and seasonal forecasts and perspectives change with each game

two weeks ago after two games, there was no season. Now, after four games, two games in October will decide the season? See, there's really no perspective here.

So me, I look at this team game to game, because, they are a work in progress


And that's Bingo!
RE: seriously  
fanatic II : 10/10/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12534414 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants have six days and Cowboys the bye? Surprised they didn't make it at Dallas.


Stop whining about schedule.

In Dallas's top three games this year, New England, Seattle, and Green Bay, the schedule makers gave New England and Seattle the bye week before they played Dallas.

They saved their best for Green bay. Green Bay plays at home on a Thursday night before Dallas and Dallas plays a Monday night game on the road at Washington. So, Green Bay has 10 days at home to prepare and Dallas travels on a short week.

Not so fair, is it.
RE: RE: seriously  
shyster : 10/10/2015 11:47 am : link
In comment 12538261 fanatic II said:
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In comment 12534414 Eric from BBI said:


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Giants have six days and Cowboys the bye? Surprised they didn't make it at Dallas.



Stop whining about schedule.

In Dallas's top three games this year, New England, Seattle, and Green Bay, the schedule makers gave New England and Seattle the bye week before they played Dallas.

They saved their best for Green bay. Green Bay plays at home on a Thursday night before Dallas and Dallas plays a Monday night game on the road at Washington. So, Green Bay has 10 days at home to prepare and Dallas travels on a short week.

Not so fair, is it.


Fair points. OTOH, this is the third consecutive year that the 'Boys get their bye the week before playing the Giants, which defies any principle of randomness. And, while you characterize those other games as the "top" games, division games are most important because, obviously, winning the division is a direct path to the playoffs.

Also not random that the 'Boys were going to be the one NFC East team that benefited from the Brady suspension, if Roger had his way (with Jerry's full support). That's a bit more important than Pats coming off the bye.

NFL likes to play games with its power. What else is it for.

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