Because they would hemorrhage support from their existing voters while likely only picking up a trickle of new supporters to replace them. You're suggesting that there is a vast pool of potential voters who simply won't vote Republican because of what...abortion? Do you really think there are many Democrat voters who'd flip if the GOP would only embrace abortion?
Exactly, it's the same thing with pandering to Hispanics by being pro-immigration. For every one hispanic vote you might pick up, you will lose 10 of your base. It's not worth it.
I don't care about gay marriage or abortion. But I know that for the most part, these are settled so it doesn't matter to me what a candidates stance is. There is little or nothing a President can do on these issues and most of them know it.
Give me a fucking break. Obama says he's all for compromise except when it means he has to be the one to give something up. He's terrible at working with Congress, even with his own party (see TPP).
Since Presidential elections only come down now to a few counties in a few states, I'm not sure that argument holds much water.
Presidential elections come down to swinging more independents than your opponent. The base is going to vote for you regardless. As candidates like Nader and Perot proved, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face by voting for a third party or sitting home completely. The problem with the Republicans is that they have not put together a ticket that can attract independents away form the Democrats. Running a more moderate ticket would force the Democrats to really have to defend states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan. That then forces them to take resources from Virginia, Florida and the mountain west. Moreover, younger Republicans are becoming more socially moderate, especially on issues like immigration and same sex marriage. Hispanics tend to be quite conservative in their religious and fiscal views, but Republicans are jeopardizing that avenue by their immigration stance and swinging them to the Democrats even though on the majority of issues they more align with the Republicans.
you do not have to be a member of congress to be speaker?
You don't have to be a member. But Cantor, for those with my viewpoint, is no better than McCarthy. And the way he spoke of the fiscal crisis vote back under Bush was on a par with McCarthy and Benghazi. Saying the R's were going to vote against it because he didn't like something Nancy Pelosi had said, iirc.
Because they would hemorrhage support from their existing voters while likely only picking up a trickle of new supporters to replace them. You're suggesting that there is a vast pool of potential voters who simply won't vote Republican because of what...abortion? Do you really think there are many Democrat voters who'd flip if the GOP would only embrace abortion?
I do. And I know a lot of them.
Plenty of registered Dems out there that are as disillusioned with their party as conservatives are with the GOP. There's a lot of people waiting for that candidate with the right blend of fiscal conservatism, socially liberal tendencies.
And are we really suggesting that conservatives are gonna spite their nose and stay home to let a democrat win because the GOP is moderate?
If that's the state of the GOP, then they're even more lost than I accuse them of being.
The problem is not conservative vs liberal. The problem is an inability to compromise. By your logic, the conservatives have to vote purely to the right and the liberals to teh left. When the hell is anything going to get done if one side doesn't acknowledge, much less respect, the other side. It can't be my way or the highway or nothing good will get done. This argument with the GOP and Demcs is about not recognizing the other and willing to do damage to the country to get their way.
I don't think HRC is positioning herself LEFT of Sanders. I think she's positioning herself of the WH (Biden). Sanders doesn't scare her, but Biden probably does.
Buried in the press yesterday was the revelation that the FBI has seized the State Department servers. Of course, it might be too late depending on how much was erased/wiped. But that's a huge development.
You can't be this full of it. A group that will shut down the government because of this Planned Parenthood bullshit is serious in compromising. Obama, for sure, has his faults in governance but it's fly speck compared to this stuff. The last shutdown cost the US over $2 billion and resulted in a credit downgrade. The rest of the world is building high speed rail, infrastructure, internet, etc and they want to shut down the government over a bullshit video and you find equivalence with Obama. That's insane.
The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
WTF? Really? Obama loves to spike the ball anytime he can.
We are not talking about spiking the ball. Everyone spike the ball, hence McCarthy's comments on Hannity. We are talking about compromising through the legislative process.
You can't sit here & tell me that Obama hasn't tried to compromise with most of the legislation during his 2 terms.
I don't think HRC is positioning herself LEFT of Sanders. I think she's positioning herself of the WH (Biden). Sanders doesn't scare her, but Biden probably does.
Biden can't come out opposing TPP.
Hillary boxed herself because of the a Keystone statement. SHe has to get the union vote back, especially since two of them deserted her after she made her keystone remark. And then the next problem is how to take back everything positive she said about trade before she was against it.
You can't be this full of it. A group that will shut down the government because of this Planned Parenthood bullshit is serious in compromising. Obama, for sure, has his faults in governance but it's fly speck compared to this stuff. The last shutdown cost the US over $2 billion and resulted in a credit downgrade. The rest of the world is building high speed rail, infrastructure, internet, etc and they want to shut down the government over a bullshit video and you find equivalence with Obama. That's insane.
Sam, you only see it from one side. It takes two to shutdown the government. I could argue, "Really, the President wants to shut down the government because of PP?" See how that works?
Obama loves the shutdown threats. For one, he could give a fuck about the national debt. Secondly, it makes the Republicans look bad.
Both sides are doing it, but you can't see it because of your party loyalty.
You can't be this full of it. A group that will shut down the government because of this Planned Parenthood bullshit is serious in compromising. Obama, for sure, has his faults in governance but it's fly speck compared to this stuff. The last shutdown cost the US over $2 billion and resulted in a credit downgrade. The rest of the world is building high speed rail, infrastructure, internet, etc and they want to shut down the government over a bullshit video and you find equivalence with Obama. That's insane.
The other side could have moved on PP and whatever it was in the actual sequester. The shutdown wasn't because those things existed but a failure of both sides to move.
You can't be this full of it. A group that will shut down the government because of this Planned Parenthood bullshit is serious in compromising. Obama, for sure, has his faults in governance but it's fly speck compared to this stuff. The last shutdown cost the US over $2 billion and resulted in a credit downgrade. The rest of the world is building high speed rail, infrastructure, internet, etc and they want to shut down the government over a bullshit video and you find equivalence with Obama. That's insane.
The other side could have moved on PP and whatever it was in the actual sequester. The shutdown wasn't because those things existed but a failure of both sides to move.
Precisely. SHutdown only happens when two sides say that their stance is inviolate.
This has nothing to do with them at the moment. They are eating popcorn as I type.
This has everything to do with a Republican Party that is in shambles because they catered to the Radical Tea Party to win elections but was never Interested in meeting their demands.
This has nothing to do with them at the moment. They are eating popcorn as I type.
This has everything to do with a Republican Party that is in shambles because they catered to the Radical Tea Party to win elections but was never Interested in meeting their demands.
So now the Inmates are running the asylum.
Why is the Tea Party radical? The Tea Party is simply an anti-establishment reaction to a Republican Party that seems to have lost its way.
The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
No they're not. They even said they wouldn't compromise on certain issues like Planned Parenthood. Since MSM is vastly liberal, they get the message out to the masses that the Democrats are willing to compromise but it is further from the truth. Obama begins each new topic with a threat of veto power. That's not exactly compromising is it?
Because they would hemorrhage support from their existing voters while likely only picking up a trickle of new supporters to replace them. You're suggesting that there is a vast pool of potential voters who simply won't vote Republican because of what...abortion? Do you really think there are many Democrat voters who'd flip if the GOP would only embrace abortion?
If they abandoned the social issues, I think they'd have broader appeal. I think they worry about the social conservatives staying home, however.
Sure I can tell you Obama hasn't tried to compromise. He hates working with Congress and he usually doesn't.
Obama may not be a "Making Sausage With Congress Guy", but that is his way with both parties. That has nothing to do with the Democratic Party as a whole as far as compromise goes.
This has nothing to do with them at the moment. They are eating popcorn as I type.
This has everything to do with a Republican Party that is in shambles because they catered to the Radical Tea Party to win elections but was never Interested in meeting their demands.
You can't be this full of it. A group that will shut down the government because of this Planned Parenthood bullshit is serious in compromising. Obama, for sure, has his faults in governance but it's fly speck compared to this stuff. The last shutdown cost the US over $2 billion and resulted in a credit downgrade. The rest of the world is building high speed rail, infrastructure, internet, etc and they want to shut down the government over a bullshit video and you find equivalence with Obama. That's insane.
Sam, you only see it from one side. It takes two to shutdown the government. I could argue, "Really, the President wants to shut down the government because of PP?" See how that works?
Obama loves the shutdown threats. For one, he could give a fuck about the national debt. Secondly, it makes the Republicans look bad.
Both sides are doing it, but you can't see it because of your party loyalty.
Honestly, Eric, you probably don't know what you are talking about when you say "Obama loves the shutdown" or Obama "could give a fuck about the National debt." Both comments suggest clairvoyance.
You only imagine and project what you think about how Obama percieves these issues.
This idea of liberal vs conservative I believe is flawed too
I know plenty of what I call crazy conservatives. People to the Hard right. Obama has destroyed this country. He is coming for your guns etc....
I don't know any liberals that are similar.
Talk radio is about 90% conservative and full of shit. I listen every once in a while out of curiosity. Its really bad, biased, always misleading and misinforming.
We know just based on policy that the Republican party has moved hard right ie taxes, ACA etc....
I actually think much of the country is simply in the middle but the middle is now called the left.
So the outspoken Right gets characterized as crazy and I would venture 40-50% of people see it that way. Social issues are a big part of it. Also the hypocrisy on issues is a problem for the conservatives too because it is applied only when they want so it is phony.
Sure I can tell you Obama hasn't tried to compromise. He hates working with Congress and he usually doesn't.
Obama may not be a "Making Sausage With Congress Guy", but that is his way with both parties. That has nothing to do with the Democratic Party as a whole as far as compromise goes.
So I have this straight. when you talk about specific Republicans, you're really talking about the whole party. When you're talking about specific Democrats, you're only talking about those individuals. Do I have that correct?
The Republican party decided from day one they were not going to compromise on ANYTHING. This is a fact.
So what the hell are some of you talking about? You should be asking yourselves how those words are coming out of your mouths knowing that this was the Republican position from day one.
If the GOP would embrace a moderate take on social issues, they'd win the POTUS general going away.
Not even remotely close to being true
Why?
Yeah, why?
I can't speak for everyone of my political leaning, but I can easily see myself supporting and voting for a Republican candidate who is more moderate on social issues. Such a person would probably impress me more than the average Dem politician, to be honest -- it would indicate that though they may have their own positions on various issues divined from their religion or upbringing, they don't feel as though they can inflict such positions on others without a logical justification.
The Republican party decided from day one they were not going to compromise on ANYTHING. This is a fact.
So what the hell are some of you talking about? You should be asking yourselves how those words are coming out of your mouths knowing that this was the Republican position from day one.
Can you give examples of Obama compromising?
Pick on of the times that sequester occurred or was threatened
Can you tell me where a compromise was offered and can you tell me where there was movement form the left (including the President)? Let's use examples and then maybe we can focus our discussion a little bit.
You and others don't even see their own biases..."radical" or "extreme" right. What is that? Those are very loaded terms that suggests those who are using them thinking those elements are "crazy" - as you just said.
The problem is you can't or refuse to accept the fact that half the country is too "radically right"...it's not a small minority. You just don't like their views.
Sure I can tell you Obama hasn't tried to compromise. He hates working with Congress and he usually doesn't.
Obama may not be a "Making Sausage With Congress Guy", but that is his way with both parties. That has nothing to do with the Democratic Party as a whole as far as compromise goes.
So I have this straight. when you talk about specific Republicans, you're really talking about the whole party. When you're talking about specific Democrats, you're only talking about those individuals. Do I have that correct?
I'm talking about both parties in General, but people keep sliding Obama and Clinton into this.
There are hardcore people on both sides, but the Dem's usually are the ones giving in for the sake of compromise....on most, not all issues.
The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
WTF? Really? Obama loves to spike the ball anytime he can.
We are not talking about spiking the ball. Everyone spike the ball, hence McCarthy's comments on Hannity. We are talking about compromising through the legislative process.
You can't sit here & tell me that Obama hasn't tried to compromise with most of the legislation during his 2 terms.
Because they would hemorrhage support from their existing voters while likely only picking up a trickle of new supporters to replace them. You're suggesting that there is a vast pool of potential voters who simply won't vote Republican because of what...abortion? Do you really think there are many Democrat voters who'd flip if the GOP would only embrace abortion?
Probably not, but I don't the abortion position as something so a la carte as that. His position on abortion would just be representative of a different-from-average way of thinking for a conservative.
Exactly, it's the same thing with pandering to Hispanics by being pro-immigration. For every one hispanic vote you might pick up, you will lose 10 of your base. It's not worth it.
I don't care about gay marriage or abortion. But I know that for the most part, these are settled so it doesn't matter to me what a candidates stance is. There is little or nothing a President can do on these issues and most of them know it.
Presidential elections come down to swinging more independents than your opponent. The base is going to vote for you regardless. As candidates like Nader and Perot proved, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face by voting for a third party or sitting home completely. The problem with the Republicans is that they have not put together a ticket that can attract independents away form the Democrats. Running a more moderate ticket would force the Democrats to really have to defend states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan. That then forces them to take resources from Virginia, Florida and the mountain west. Moreover, younger Republicans are becoming more socially moderate, especially on issues like immigration and same sex marriage. Hispanics tend to be quite conservative in their religious and fiscal views, but Republicans are jeopardizing that avenue by their immigration stance and swinging them to the Democrats even though on the majority of issues they more align with the Republicans.
- Defunding Planned Parenthood
- Attempts to repeal the ACA
- Policies of union busting across the country
- Creationalists to local school boards, funded by big money
- Attempts to repeal civil marriages between gays in several states
- Neoconservative spearheading of war in Iraq
- Bush era tax cuts
- "Defense of Marriage"
- "No child Left Behind"
- Welfare Rollbacks
Now you can argue whether the excution and public narratives were successful, but to say that Conservative voices have somehow been stifled is bogus.
Wait, didn't Clinton do Welfare to Work and DOMA?
You don't have to be a member. But Cantor, for those with my viewpoint, is no better than McCarthy. And the way he spoke of the fiscal crisis vote back under Bush was on a par with McCarthy and Benghazi. Saying the R's were going to vote against it because he didn't like something Nancy Pelosi had said, iirc.
I do. And I know a lot of them.
Plenty of registered Dems out there that are as disillusioned with their party as conservatives are with the GOP. There's a lot of people waiting for that candidate with the right blend of fiscal conservatism, socially liberal tendencies.
And are we really suggesting that conservatives are gonna spite their nose and stay home to let a democrat win because the GOP is moderate?
If that's the state of the GOP, then they're even more lost than I accuse them of being.
The path to the WH is clear if they so choose.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
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the difference is obama/reid do not want govt to fail or default on its obligations.
The US will not default. That is a huge red herring. When there is a shut down, both sides are involved, not just one
With all of the evidence in last several years, this has to be projection from you.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
WTF? Really? Obama loves to spike the ball anytime he can.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
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the difference is obama/reid do not want govt to fail or default on its obligations.
The US will not default. That is a huge red herring. When there is a shut down, both sides are involved, not just one
the old both sides do it,sorry,i do not agree.
Fixed.
A biden/Warren ticket is going to be very powerful.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
WTF? Really? Obama loves to spike the ball anytime he can.
bush seemed a little to arrogant at times,no?
Biden can't come out opposing TPP.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
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the difference is obama/reid do not want govt to fail or default on its obligations.
The US will not default. That is a huge red herring. When there is a shut down, both sides are involved, not just one
the old both sides do it,sorry,i do not agree.
Buried in the press yesterday was the revelation that the FBI has seized the State Department servers. Of course, it might be too late depending on how much was erased/wiped. But that's a huge development.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
WTF? Really? Obama loves to spike the ball anytime he can.
We are not talking about spiking the ball. Everyone spike the ball, hence McCarthy's comments on Hannity. We are talking about compromising through the legislative process.
You can't sit here & tell me that Obama hasn't tried to compromise with most of the legislation during his 2 terms.
Biden can't come out opposing TPP.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
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the difference is obama/reid do not want govt to fail or default on its obligations.
The US will not default. That is a huge red herring. When there is a shut down, both sides are involved, not just one
the old both sides do it,sorry,i do not agree.
agree or not, you're wrong.
no,you are wrong.
Sam, you only see it from one side. It takes two to shutdown the government. I could argue, "Really, the President wants to shut down the government because of PP?" See how that works?
Obama loves the shutdown threats. For one, he could give a fuck about the national debt. Secondly, it makes the Republicans look bad.
Both sides are doing it, but you can't see it because of your party loyalty.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
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the difference is obama/reid do not want govt to fail or default on its obligations.
The US will not default. That is a huge red herring. When there is a shut down, both sides are involved, not just one
the old both sides do it,sorry,i do not agree.
agree or not, you're wrong.
no,you are wrong.
(We can long cat this if you want)
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You can't be this full of it. A group that will shut down the government because of this Planned Parenthood bullshit is serious in compromising. Obama, for sure, has his faults in governance but it's fly speck compared to this stuff. The last shutdown cost the US over $2 billion and resulted in a credit downgrade. The rest of the world is building high speed rail, infrastructure, internet, etc and they want to shut down the government over a bullshit video and you find equivalence with Obama. That's insane.
The other side could have moved on PP and whatever it was in the actual sequester. The shutdown wasn't because those things existed but a failure of both sides to move.
This has everything to do with a Republican Party that is in shambles because they catered to the Radical Tea Party to win elections but was never Interested in meeting their demands.
So now the Inmates are running the asylum.
It means the chances of the FBI finding something in the emails become better, lol
This has everything to do with a Republican Party that is in shambles because they catered to the Radical Tea Party to win elections but was never Interested in meeting their demands.
So now the Inmates are running the asylum.
Why is the Tea Party radical? The Tea Party is simply an anti-establishment reaction to a Republican Party that seems to have lost its way.
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with Hillary breaking from Obama more and more each day.... does this mean Biden running becomes more of a sure thing?
It means the chances of the FBI finding something in the emails become better, lol
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
No they're not. They even said they wouldn't compromise on certain issues like Planned Parenthood. Since MSM is vastly liberal, they get the message out to the masses that the Democrats are willing to compromise but it is further from the truth. Obama begins each new topic with a threat of veto power. That's not exactly compromising is it?
If they abandoned the social issues, I think they'd have broader appeal. I think they worry about the social conservatives staying home, however.
Obama may not be a "Making Sausage With Congress Guy", but that is his way with both parties. That has nothing to do with the Democratic Party as a whole as far as compromise goes.
This has everything to do with a Republican Party that is in shambles because they catered to the Radical Tea Party to win elections but was never Interested in meeting their demands.
So now the Inmates are running the asylum.
True
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You can't be this full of it. A group that will shut down the government because of this Planned Parenthood bullshit is serious in compromising. Obama, for sure, has his faults in governance but it's fly speck compared to this stuff. The last shutdown cost the US over $2 billion and resulted in a credit downgrade. The rest of the world is building high speed rail, infrastructure, internet, etc and they want to shut down the government over a bullshit video and you find equivalence with Obama. That's insane.
Sam, you only see it from one side. It takes two to shutdown the government. I could argue, "Really, the President wants to shut down the government because of PP?" See how that works?
Obama loves the shutdown threats. For one, he could give a fuck about the national debt. Secondly, it makes the Republicans look bad.
Both sides are doing it, but you can't see it because of your party loyalty.
Honestly, Eric, you probably don't know what you are talking about when you say "Obama loves the shutdown" or Obama "could give a fuck about the National debt." Both comments suggest clairvoyance.
You only imagine and project what you think about how Obama percieves these issues.
I don't know any liberals that are similar.
Talk radio is about 90% conservative and full of shit. I listen every once in a while out of curiosity. Its really bad, biased, always misleading and misinforming.
We know just based on policy that the Republican party has moved hard right ie taxes, ACA etc....
I actually think much of the country is simply in the middle but the middle is now called the left.
So the outspoken Right gets characterized as crazy and I would venture 40-50% of people see it that way. Social issues are a big part of it. Also the hypocrisy on issues is a problem for the conservatives too because it is applied only when they want so it is phony.
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Sure I can tell you Obama hasn't tried to compromise. He hates working with Congress and he usually doesn't.
Obama may not be a "Making Sausage With Congress Guy", but that is his way with both parties. That has nothing to do with the Democratic Party as a whole as far as compromise goes.
So I have this straight. when you talk about specific Republicans, you're really talking about the whole party. When you're talking about specific Democrats, you're only talking about those individuals. Do I have that correct?
So what the hell are some of you talking about? You should be asking yourselves how those words are coming out of your mouths knowing that this was the Republican position from day one.
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If the GOP would embrace a moderate take on social issues, they'd win the POTUS general going away.
Not even remotely close to being true
Why?
Yeah, why?
I can't speak for everyone of my political leaning, but I can easily see myself supporting and voting for a Republican candidate who is more moderate on social issues. Such a person would probably impress me more than the average Dem politician, to be honest -- it would indicate that though they may have their own positions on various issues divined from their religion or upbringing, they don't feel as though they can inflict such positions on others without a logical justification.
So what the hell are some of you talking about? You should be asking yourselves how those words are coming out of your mouths knowing that this was the Republican position from day one.
Can you give examples of Obama compromising?
Can you tell me where a compromise was offered and can you tell me where there was movement form the left (including the President)? Let's use examples and then maybe we can focus our discussion a little bit.
The problem is you can't or refuse to accept the fact that half the country is too "radically right"...it's not a small minority. You just don't like their views.
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Sure I can tell you Obama hasn't tried to compromise. He hates working with Congress and he usually doesn't.
Obama may not be a "Making Sausage With Congress Guy", but that is his way with both parties. That has nothing to do with the Democratic Party as a whole as far as compromise goes.
So I have this straight. when you talk about specific Republicans, you're really talking about the whole party. When you're talking about specific Democrats, you're only talking about those individuals. Do I have that correct?
I'm talking about both parties in General, but people keep sliding Obama and Clinton into this.
There are hardcore people on both sides, but the Dem's usually are the ones giving in for the sake of compromise....on most, not all issues.
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The same thing can be said of President Obama and Harry Reid.
Not even close.....
Not the very same thing can be said about President Obama and Harry Reid.
The Dem's aren't perfect by any means, but there are many of them who are willing to compromise on most Issues.
Also, they aren't really into brinkmanship politics.
WTF? Really? Obama loves to spike the ball anytime he can.
We are not talking about spiking the ball. Everyone spike the ball, hence McCarthy's comments on Hannity. We are talking about compromising through the legislative process.
You can't sit here & tell me that Obama hasn't tried to compromise with most of the legislation during his 2 terms.
Of course I can because he hasn't.
Probably not, but I don't the abortion position as something so a la carte as that. His position on abortion would just be representative of a different-from-average way of thinking for a conservative.
There are hardcore people on both sides, but the Dem's usually are the ones giving in for the sake of compromise....on most, not all issues.
Such as?