everything - he wants to regulate virtually every aspect of your existence. What's more, he's insufferably smug about it, just oozing paternalistic disdain for the idea that free people should be able to run their own damned lives and eat, drink, smoke, etc whatever they choose. He was also a big proponent of public surveillance cameras, stop and frisk, and a number of other infringements on civil liberty.
I can't think of anything redeeming about him from my point of view.
told a group of African Americans that the republicans were going to 'put you all back in chains'?
I was pretty miffed at that as well.
I was actually angrier at Trent Lott for saying
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either."
You see Buford, We can all pick stupid thing that different Pol's have said over the years, but we are talking about Ben Carson, so stay on topic.
Maybe some think it's tit for tat, but I personally feel that people get in a snit over something people say if they don't like that person. And the media blows it out of proportion. Like they did when Carson said he if faced with a gunman, he would try to stop him.
I don't agree with everything Carson says and I don't know if I would vote for him. But I don't think he deserves a lot of the vitriol he gets. And I'm sure it's because he's a black conservative who is not afraid of speaking his mind and doesn't back down. And like Trump, he's not politically correct. I prefer plain speak, even if I don't agree with the person.
Was the slavery comment stupid, yes. But I understood what he meant by that. People make stupid comments all the time. But I don't see Carson being deliberately mean or abusive to anyone. And I don't think he deserves to be called a Coon or any other derogatory name. No one does.
Or when Hilliary said the Republicans were going to use cattle cars to send the illegals back?
Hasn't the current leader in the Republican primary suggested doing something similar to this?
I don't believe the term 'cattle cars' was used by Trump. It was deportation, which is how illegal aliens are supposed to be sent back.
Can we just agree that all people say stupid things and making huge political decisions based on one comment is ridiculous? Nine times out of ten the comments are taken out of context and skewed by what your political view is.
but Carson's history of ridiculous remarks goes above and beyond a slip up here or there. I've detailed them in the past -- see link. Link - ( New Window )
But I have criticized the Republican Party plenty on this site, including the Republican Congress. It's why I align myself with the "vote the bums out" crowd.
But I have criticized the Republican Party plenty on this site, including the Republican Congress. It's why I align myself with the "vote the bums out" crowd.
Yeah but you attack them from the right and dont criticize the one sided right wing narrative. You said your problem was with one-sided narratives, when it is abundantly clear that your problem is with just one side's "one-sided narratives".
and was pretty bitter. Maybe I'm wrong but I think both speak more about what is possible and not so much as insulting. So the party is mad at "establishment" candidate's because they didnt do what was promised, but yet won't look at guys being realistic?
Know your a libertarian but sounds like your down on the Rep. Party. What's your take on Paul?
Well you might consider Kasich realistic, but I don't. The guy was just saying that we have to expand Medicare because of the bible. If Carson or Cruz wanted to base policy on the Bible, people would be freaking out over it. Besides the fact that charity, as represented in Christianity, is not about taking someone else's money and giving it away, it's about giving your own money.
Imo, this was an effort to reach out to the base through their shared Christian values. What's wrong with that? You don't think helping the poor and sick should be a value we share as a nation?
But the attached link is what Kasich said in an interview with Laura Ingraham in 2013. Accepted Medicaid expansion in order to address problems which in the long run will save money as well as help people live health productive lives.
As far as realistic, less overselling and promising things that probably will not happen or at least to extent extreme elements want. So what do you want? Candidates that tell you exactly what you want to hear or candidates that speak about what is possible? Honestly did you really think Obamacare was going to be repealed, all illegals thrown out, no more abortions, tax cuts were going to create millions of jobs?
Eric: You absolutely have a right to your opinion and you have a
to express it. I for one, however, do not believe it makes sound business sense for a business owner to mix their politics with their business. Those who disagree with your politics may take their business elsewhere.
We all see the world through out own filters, largely created by environment and experiences.
It's a false assumption to say that FOX or right-wing media "brainwashes" people to thinking a certain way. Those media are so successful because they attract people who already relate to those views.
For example, as I've stated before, I grew up in a very liberal household where those views were reinforced by the media of the day and my college professors. By the time I graduated from school, I was a product of the system. Not only did I support Democratic candidates, but I involved myself in activities that were considered "more liberal" (i.e., I was heavily involved in homeless activities including participating in marches and working/sleeping in shelters, volunteering for NOW, protesting).
But as I got older, my life experiences changed my views and the way I perceived the world. Whether you agree or not, I began to believe that smaller government was better, that we were spending beyond our means, that a nanny state was doing more harm than good, capitalism is a good thing that creates wealth for all, that power had shifted too far to the Federal government, that there really are good and bad international actors, etc.). I wasn't even really aware of these changes as they were ongoing. But it started to dawn on me that those college professor didn't really understand the way the world really works. They lived in a fairy tale world.
This was pre-conservative media days. There was no brain-washing.
The people on the Right think that people on the Left "don't get it." And people on the Left think people on the Right "don't get it." Nothing we say to each other really is going to change our opinions. We're all just venting or patting ourselves on the back for making what we think are valid points.
RE: Eric: You absolutely have a right to your opinion and you have a
to express it. I for one, however, do not believe it makes sound business sense for a business owner to mix their politics with their business. Those who disagree with your politics may take their business elsewhere.
You are 100 percent correct there. My wife tells me that all of the time!
Did McCarty drop out because he's been fucking Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC) after Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) sent a letter to McMorris Rodgers talking about skeletons in the closet, Newt and Livingston, and then saying that anyone running for GOP leadership who has any "misdeeds since joining Congress that will embarrass himself, the Republican Conference, and the House of Representatives if they become public"? Jones Letter - ( New Window )
One, there are rumors that he had one or more jumbo skeletons that would come out of the closet if he ran. I have no idea if that is any more than a rumor.
Two, which seems more likely to me, is that after the Hillary/Benghazi screw-up, when they counted heads in the room, they couldn't get to 218. It's just a guess, but makes some sense. There are 247 total Republicans, and certainly at least 40 in the Tea Party or aligned with it. Without any of those votes, he was 11 short even if he held everyone else, which presumes that none of the others were supporting the other candidates.
That he had said that he had the votes isn't really relevant. He may have been trying to generate a self-fulfilling prophesy, and dropped out when he failed.
Benghazi gaffe. He was only installed as majority leader because Cantor lost his election. 77% of Republicans polled wanted a new speaker in the House and Senate Leader. I don't think people would be happy with the next in line. K-Street must be freaking out.
is not interested. Don't blame him, it will be a circus and why would he want to get muddied up in that. He is still young and may make a legitimate run at POTUS in the future.
Benghazi gaffe. He was only installed as majority leader because Cantor lost his election. 77% of Republicans polled wanted a new speaker in the House and Senate Leader. I don't think people would be happy with the next in line. K-Street must be freaking out.
I guess these fools will never learn about using voters, Cantor got his, was funny driving through his territory looking at the candidate that beat him. GOP can't get out of their own way...They have gotten so entitled, but the voters that have helped them twice claiming the house and senate want to be repaid, or it will be them next.
Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Nevermind that since 2010, when the GOP won legislatives from coast to coast, there have been countless # of bills introduced in the states to restrict women's right to choose. Or that the GOP threatened to shutdown the government over Planned Parenthood, an organization many poor women depend on for health services.
But no, there's no 'war on women'. Republicans love women.
I'm Pro Choice, but because someone is Pro Life does not mean they hate women. In fact, if you bother to pay attention, millions of women are Pro Life.
Planned Parenthood...I'm sure many people want it shut down because they are Pro Life. But much of the opposition has nothing to do with the abortion issue per se but the selling of baby body parts.
You don't see it that way.
But that hardly means it's a war on women. PP is not the only healthcare center that treats women. And no one has talked about cutting funding to centers far less controversial (rather, they have talked about expanding funding to those at the expense of PP). But somehow PP has become some sort of golden symbol to the left, for whatever reason.
Another issue? A federally funded organization like PP should not be making political donations.
Is that good enough for you?
RE: RE: Eric: You absolutely have a right to your opinion and you have a
to express it. I for one, however, do not believe it makes sound business sense for a business owner to mix their politics with their business. Those who disagree with your politics may take their business elsewhere.
You are 100 percent correct there. My wife tells me that all of the time!
Certainly made the difference for me this time around.
The dems are still pushing the income equality (while Hillary pays female staffers less than male staffers and Gwenth Paltrow is complaining that she makes less than Robert Downey Jr in the Iron Man films...)
The dems are blocking republican bills that would allow birth control pills to be OTC. Why? Because they want women to be dependent on either government or insurance to get birth control.
As far as abortion goes, more women support a 20 week limit than men do. So isn't it a war on those women to vote against it?
Like blacks and hispanics, women are treated as victims by democrats. They have to drill the victim message constantly, otherwise people might wake up and find that the dems really have not done much for them. And in fact, have spent away their future and made it impossible for them to get ahead.
Hillary is losing votes from women, that should tell you something. Maybe they have figured out what is going on.
he posts on football threads, why can't he post on NFTs? I'm sure if he posted in lockstep to what you believe in, it would be fine and you wouldn't say anything.
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To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy.
Ok stand corrected. At the time, probably didn't think offensive. Tired of the party being Science & Math challenged.
I can't think of anything redeeming about him from my point of view.
Buford, you should too, especially after this discussion.
I was pretty miffed at that as well.
I was actually angrier at Trent Lott for saying
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either."
You see Buford, We can all pick stupid thing that different Pol's have said over the years, but we are talking about Ben Carson, so stay on topic.
It's a microcosm of the state of affairs.
At the same time, I'm personally fed up with the one-side narratives. So this allows me to vent and rant.
But the Biden point has relevancy since there is a good chance he will be the Democratic Party nominee.
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Honestly, can some of you ever resist the tit for tat?
It's a microcosm of the state of affairs.
At the same time, I'm personally fed up with the one-side narratives. So this allows me to vent and rant.
Eric, i'm sorry but Buford keeps coming at me.
Maybe some think it's tit for tat, but I personally feel that people get in a snit over something people say if they don't like that person. And the media blows it out of proportion. Like they did when Carson said he if faced with a gunman, he would try to stop him.
I don't agree with everything Carson says and I don't know if I would vote for him. But I don't think he deserves a lot of the vitriol he gets. And I'm sure it's because he's a black conservative who is not afraid of speaking his mind and doesn't back down. And like Trump, he's not politically correct. I prefer plain speak, even if I don't agree with the person.
Was the slavery comment stupid, yes. But I understood what he meant by that. People make stupid comments all the time. But I don't see Carson being deliberately mean or abusive to anyone. And I don't think he deserves to be called a Coon or any other derogatory name. No one does.
Hasn't the current leader in the Republican primary suggested doing something similar to this?
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Or when Hilliary said the Republicans were going to use cattle cars to send the illegals back?
Hasn't the current leader in the Republican primary suggested doing something similar to this?
I don't believe the term 'cattle cars' was used by Trump. It was deportation, which is how illegal aliens are supposed to be sent back.
Can we just agree that all people say stupid things and making huge political decisions based on one comment is ridiculous? Nine times out of ten the comments are taken out of context and skewed by what your political view is.
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@costareports
Rep. Peter King tells me that members are crying in cloakroom, unable to handle the unrest and confusion. "A banana republic," he says.
WTF?
Link - ( New Window )
But I have criticized the Republican Party plenty on this site, including the Republican Congress. It's why I align myself with the "vote the bums out" crowd.
But I have criticized the Republican Party plenty on this site, including the Republican Congress. It's why I align myself with the "vote the bums out" crowd.
Yeah but you attack them from the right and dont criticize the one sided right wing narrative. You said your problem was with one-sided narratives, when it is abundantly clear that your problem is with just one side's "one-sided narratives".
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and was pretty bitter. Maybe I'm wrong but I think both speak more about what is possible and not so much as insulting. So the party is mad at "establishment" candidate's because they didnt do what was promised, but yet won't look at guys being realistic?
Know your a libertarian but sounds like your down on the Rep. Party. What's your take on Paul?
Well you might consider Kasich realistic, but I don't. The guy was just saying that we have to expand Medicare because of the bible. If Carson or Cruz wanted to base policy on the Bible, people would be freaking out over it. Besides the fact that charity, as represented in Christianity, is not about taking someone else's money and giving it away, it's about giving your own money.
Imo, this was an effort to reach out to the base through their shared Christian values. What's wrong with that? You don't think helping the poor and sick should be a value we share as a nation?
But the attached link is what Kasich said in an interview with Laura Ingraham in 2013. Accepted Medicaid expansion in order to address problems which in the long run will save money as well as help people live health productive lives.
As far as realistic, less overselling and promising things that probably will not happen or at least to extent extreme elements want. So what do you want? Candidates that tell you exactly what you want to hear or candidates that speak about what is possible? Honestly did you really think Obamacare was going to be repealed, all illegals thrown out, no more abortions, tax cuts were going to create millions of jobs?
Link - ( New Window )
It's a false assumption to say that FOX or right-wing media "brainwashes" people to thinking a certain way. Those media are so successful because they attract people who already relate to those views.
For example, as I've stated before, I grew up in a very liberal household where those views were reinforced by the media of the day and my college professors. By the time I graduated from school, I was a product of the system. Not only did I support Democratic candidates, but I involved myself in activities that were considered "more liberal" (i.e., I was heavily involved in homeless activities including participating in marches and working/sleeping in shelters, volunteering for NOW, protesting).
But as I got older, my life experiences changed my views and the way I perceived the world. Whether you agree or not, I began to believe that smaller government was better, that we were spending beyond our means, that a nanny state was doing more harm than good, capitalism is a good thing that creates wealth for all, that power had shifted too far to the Federal government, that there really are good and bad international actors, etc.). I wasn't even really aware of these changes as they were ongoing. But it started to dawn on me that those college professor didn't really understand the way the world really works. They lived in a fairy tale world.
This was pre-conservative media days. There was no brain-washing.
The people on the Right think that people on the Left "don't get it." And people on the Left think people on the Right "don't get it." Nothing we say to each other really is going to change our opinions. We're all just venting or patting ourselves on the back for making what we think are valid points.
You are 100 percent correct there. My wife tells me that all of the time!
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Nothing like bad soap opera.
Two, which seems more likely to me, is that after the Hillary/Benghazi screw-up, when they counted heads in the room, they couldn't get to 218. It's just a guess, but makes some sense. There are 247 total Republicans, and certainly at least 40 in the Tea Party or aligned with it. Without any of those votes, he was 11 short even if he held everyone else, which presumes that none of the others were supporting the other candidates.
That he had said that he had the votes isn't really relevant. He may have been trying to generate a self-fulfilling prophesy, and dropped out when he failed.
I guess these fools will never learn about using voters, Cantor got his, was funny driving through his territory looking at the candidate that beat him. GOP can't get out of their own way...They have gotten so entitled, but the voters that have helped them twice claiming the house and senate want to be repaid, or it will be them next.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
But no, there's no 'war on women'. Republicans love women.
then again, i have x meadlowander on my side
But according to our esteemed founder, there is 'no war on women'. Give me a freaking break.
Planned Parenthood...I'm sure many people want it shut down because they are Pro Life. But much of the opposition has nothing to do with the abortion issue per se but the selling of baby body parts.
You don't see it that way.
But that hardly means it's a war on women. PP is not the only healthcare center that treats women. And no one has talked about cutting funding to centers far less controversial (rather, they have talked about expanding funding to those at the expense of PP). But somehow PP has become some sort of golden symbol to the left, for whatever reason.
Another issue? A federally funded organization like PP should not be making political donations.
Is that good enough for you?
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to express it. I for one, however, do not believe it makes sound business sense for a business owner to mix their politics with their business. Those who disagree with your politics may take their business elsewhere.
You are 100 percent correct there. My wife tells me that all of the time!
Certainly made the difference for me this time around.
The dems are blocking republican bills that would allow birth control pills to be OTC. Why? Because they want women to be dependent on either government or insurance to get birth control.
As far as abortion goes, more women support a 20 week limit than men do. So isn't it a war on those women to vote against it?
Like blacks and hispanics, women are treated as victims by democrats. They have to drill the victim message constantly, otherwise people might wake up and find that the dems really have not done much for them. And in fact, have spent away their future and made it impossible for them to get ahead.
Hillary is losing votes from women, that should tell you something. Maybe they have figured out what is going on.
Also, the federal $ PP receives does not cover abortion.
& I think like 3% or 4% of what PP does is perform abortions. That's a pretty damn low percentage.