Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Unfortunately this is true for too many. The FB stuff I often see from the far right is often bazarre.
Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Unfortunately this is true for too many. The FB stuff I often see from the far right is often bazarre.
Any of the far left/right stuff is bizarre. I've seen plenty of stuff from the left that is flat out wrong and really inflammatory.
& it's amazing that PP-again, an agency that maybe devotes 3 or 4% of their services to abortion-is being called for stripping their public funding. PP is a godsend for many women, especially the poor.
The Lilly Ledbetter was passed with bipartisan support...
All that bill did is extend the amount of time you could sue. It doesn't guarantee anything. Typical lip service legislation from the Dems. Also a big payout to trial lawyers, the dems favorite donor base.
& it's amazing that PP-again, an agency that maybe devotes 3 or 4% of their services to abortion-is being called for stripping their public funding. PP is a godsend for many women, especially the poor.
Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Unfortunately this is true for too many. The FB stuff I often see from the far right is often bazarre.
Any of the far left/right stuff is bizarre. I've seen plenty of stuff from the left that is flat out wrong and really inflammatory.
I see crazy from both sides but the amount of crazy from the far right greatly exceeds far left on the stuff I get on my page.
I'm Pro Choice, but because someone is Pro Life does not mean they hate women. In fact, if you bother to pay attention, millions of women are Pro Life.
Planned Parenthood...I'm sure many people want it shut down because they are Pro Life. But much of the opposition has nothing to do with the abortion issue per se but the selling of baby body parts.
You don't see it that way.
But that hardly means it's a war on women. PP is not the only healthcare center that treats women. And no one has talked about cutting funding to centers far less controversial (rather, they have talked about expanding funding to those at the expense of PP). But somehow PP has become some sort of golden symbol to the left, for whatever reason.
Another issue? A federally funded organization like PP should not be making political donations.
Is that good enough for you?
What a filthy, disgusting slander by you. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating characterization of PP making tissue available at BELOW THEIR COST as "the selling of baby body parts".
And before you resort to your normal bullshit about questions and whatnot, I think that if you make a charge like that, you should have the facts first. Facts first.
Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Unfortunately this is true for too many. The FB stuff I often see from the far right is often bazarre.
Any of the far left/right stuff is bizarre. I've seen plenty of stuff from the left that is flat out wrong and really inflammatory.
Wrong is one thing, as is inflammatory, but totally batshit crazy is something I see coming only from the right on my FB page. And I do mean crazy. I disagree with many right wing posters here, but I've never seen any posts that I regarded as batshit crazy. I have little doubt that the right wing posters here would also regard those FB items as crazy, not merely wrong or inflammatory.
SanFran said there was clearly a war on women because of PP.
I don't see how that is a war on women. You honestly think those mean conservative men are sitting around thinking, "Hey, how can will hurt women today?"
It's a talking point. And it certainly isn't conducive dialogue when you accuse the other side of hating women, blacks, Hispanics, puppies, unicorns, etc.
There are many moderate and liberal women who believe the GOP's evangelical base wants to strip women of hard earned rights. You can disagree all you want but the perception is real and isn't baseless.
In the hours before House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) abruptly withdrew his candidacy to be the next speaker of the House, he was sent an email from a conservative activist threatening to expose an alleged affair with a colleague. The subject line: “Kevin, why not resign like Bob Livingston?”
The email, sent just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, came from Steve Baer, a Chicago-based GOP donor known for mass-emailing conservative figures and Republican lawmakers. It was addressed to McCarthy and numerous others, including the personal account of Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.), who conservative media sites have suggested is tied romantically to McCarthy. Link - ( New Window )
SanFran said there was clearly a war on women because of PP.
I don't see how that is a war on women. You honestly think those mean conservative men are sitting around thinking, "Hey, how can will hurt women today?"
It's a talking point. And it certainly isn't conducive dialogue when you accuse the other side of hating women, blacks, Hispanics, puppies, unicorns, etc.
Eric it is the usual fear mongering the Democratic Party is famous for and engages in.
How do you put words into someone's mouth? The PP officials said what they said. The tapes weren't dubbed.
You dont get it because EVERY TIME someone explains it to you, you pretend like you're hearing it for the first time.
The videos were edited so that you heard what sounded like a haggling over price. They were selectively edited to suggest that this was a profit center for PP. Thus GOPers immediately charged that PP was profiting from the sale of baby body parts. What was clipped was the person explaining that PP was not looking to make money, just recover costs so they didnt lose money. And experts say that at the reimbursement levels discussed, PP is absolutely losing money. Link - ( New Window )
I don't think conservatives are sitting around thinking 'How can we screw women today?' But their policies-from health services to pay- are effectively a war on women.
How do you put words into someone's mouth? The PP officials said what they said. The tapes weren't dubbed.
You dont get it because EVERY TIME someone explains it to you, you pretend like you're hearing it for the first time.
The videos were edited so that you heard what sounded like a haggling over price. They were selectively edited to suggest that this was a profit center for PP. Thus GOPers immediately charged that PP was profiting from the sale of baby body parts. What was clipped was the person explaining that PP was not looking to make money, just recover costs so they didnt lose money. And experts say that at the reimbursement levels discussed, PP is absolutely losing money. Link - ( New Window )
You hit the nail on the head. How many times has this been explained to Eric in multiple threads and his response is the same every single time.
Tolerance is irrelevant. I dont need to be tolerant of deceitful descriptions. If made up some fact about you and posted it here, would you have to be tolerant of that? Teach the controversy and other such nonsense?
In the hours before House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) abruptly withdrew his candidacy to be the next speaker of the House, he was sent an email from a conservative activist threatening to expose an alleged affair with a colleague. The subject line: “Kevin, why not resign like Bob Livingston?”
The email, sent just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, came from Steve Baer, a Chicago-based GOP donor known for mass-emailing conservative figures and Republican lawmakers. It was addressed to McCarthy and numerous others, including the personal account of Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.), who conservative media sites have suggested is tied romantically to McCarthy. Link - ( New Window )
You dont have your lawyers write a cease and desist for nothin: Link - ( New Window )
An investigation will determine one way or the other. If there is nothing wrong, then there is nothing to fear.
I still find the casual nature of the discussion of transaction of baby body parts over wine disturbing...but that's me.
But again, not a war on women. I didn't raise PP...San Fran did as "evidence" of a war on women.
If there is a war on women, half the women in this country must be pretty stupid for voting for the wrong Party.
Maybe when the Democrats next control a house of Congress they should investigate every Republican because if they did nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. I want my elected officials to work to find solutions to the problems our country faces rather than conducting these "investigations" to score political points.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
An investigation will determine one way or the other. If there is nothing wrong, then there is nothing to fear.
I still find the casual nature of the discussion of transaction of baby body parts over wine disturbing...but that's me.
But again, not a war on women. I didn't raise PP...San Fran did as "evidence" of a war on women.
If there is a war on women, half the women in this country must be pretty stupid for voting for the wrong Party.
What a crock of shit man. You level a false charge about selling body parts and when pushed on it you say there will be "an investigation". I thought there was already a hearing about PP and the GOP took a pass on this nonsense?
There are many moderate and liberal women who believe the GOP's evangelical base wants to strip women of hard earned rights. You can disagree all you want but the perception is real and isn't baseless.
Yet watching morning Joe, it seems that the polls show that the "war on women" is starting to become a loser for Clinton.
Glass ceiling is all but gone, pay equity has really shrunk, and that evangelical base is made up of women who have excelled in their public and private lives and would disagree with you that they are for many things. One of which is not restricting or stripping women's rights.
The country is split damn near 50/50 on the abortion issue with the most like me. I am anti abortion but could never fathom telling someone what to do or how to feel on such a personal decision. So I am pro choice for everyone except me.
How do you put words into someone's mouth? The PP officials said what they said. The tapes weren't dubbed.
You dont get it because EVERY TIME someone explains it to you, you pretend like you're hearing it for the first time.
The videos were edited so that you heard what sounded like a haggling over price. They were selectively edited to suggest that this was a profit center for PP. Thus GOPers immediately charged that PP was profiting from the sale of baby body parts. What was clipped was the person explaining that PP was not looking to make money, just recover costs so they didnt lose money. And experts say that at the reimbursement levels discussed, PP is absolutely losing money. Link - ( New Window )
If the videos were so deceptively edited, why did the PP President apologize for them?
There was an independent audit of the videos that said they were not significantly edited except to remove tape with no dialogue on it.
I don't think conservatives are sitting around thinking 'How can we screw women today?' But their policies-from health services to pay- are effectively a war on women.
To be honest, I find the whole concept kind of offensive. It's one of those things that I never really thought about...what happened to the body tissue of aborted babies? It never dawned on me that transactions too place. It doesn't sit right with me. And I'm not a religious person.
Slander seems an accurate term. Although I think slander is spoken, not written.
They receive reimbursement for organs from aborted fetuses. I don't think saying they sell baby parts is slander. I think many liberals have blinders on about what exactly goes on which is why they use terms like fetus and tissue. They are harvesting full organs, preferably from later term abortions so the organs are more fully formed. It's quite clear what is going on.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
In the hours before House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) abruptly withdrew his candidacy to be the next speaker of the House, he was sent an email from a conservative activist threatening to expose an alleged affair with a colleague. The subject line: “Kevin, why not resign like Bob Livingston?”
The email, sent just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, came from Steve Baer, a Chicago-based GOP donor known for mass-emailing conservative figures and Republican lawmakers. It was addressed to McCarthy and numerous others, including the personal account of Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.), who conservative media sites have suggested is tied romantically to McCarthy. Link - ( New Window )
You dont have your lawyers write a cease and desist for nothin: Link - ( New Window )
Damn it man. Office sex a thing of the past.
Glad I'm retired.
Now I get to hit on the Florida trailer park honey's who husbands have passed.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin seemed to allude to them during an MSNBC appearance, noting “there’s a lot of speculation” that McCarthy’s decision had “more to do with things outside of his professional life.”
A couple hours later, Halperin cryptically tweeted:
That time everyone in politics & journalism knew what happened and readers/viewers/listeners were left in the dark.
Richards apologized only for the tone of the woman's statements, not the content or practices.
As for "independent audit", it was an commissioned by the group that shot the videos. I have no idea why you'd label that as an independent audit. PP's report, preparred by a company headed by a former WSJ investigative reporter, came to the opposite conclusion. Per the WSJ:
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A report by outside analysts commissioned by Planned Parenthood concluded the videos contained major gaps and were so altered that they couldn’t be used as legal evidence.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
Because I wouldn't call an embryo a baby. Being incorrect for the sake of connotations, not interested.
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Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Also, the federal $ PP receives does not cover abortion.
& I think like 3% or 4% of what PP does is perform abortions. That's a pretty damn low percentage.
Did you watch the videos?
And if PP is so dedicated to abortion and doesn't make money from the sale of organs, they should just stop doing it. Problem solved.
I seriously doubt you even watched the videos.
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Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Unfortunately this is true for too many. The FB stuff I often see from the far right is often bazarre.
Any of the far left/right stuff is bizarre. I've seen plenty of stuff from the left that is flat out wrong and really inflammatory.
& it's amazing that PP-again, an agency that maybe devotes 3 or 4% of their services to abortion-is being called for stripping their public funding. PP is a godsend for many women, especially the poor.
All that bill did is extend the amount of time you could sue. It doesn't guarantee anything. Typical lip service legislation from the Dems. Also a big payout to trial lawyers, the dems favorite donor base.
& it's amazing that PP-again, an agency that maybe devotes 3 or 4% of their services to abortion-is being called for stripping their public funding. PP is a godsend for many women, especially the poor.
Did you watch the videos?
Regardless, I find it sickening.
You don't agree.
But it's not a war on women.
The fact that you think there is a war on women is disconcerting.
Do you think women who vote Republican are stupid? Misguided?
I also never been in Syria, but I think I could talk about it anyways.
I find that from the fringes of both sides.
I have a lot of low intelligence voters on both sides as friends I guess.
Problem is a few are in political office.
Why you see me post rarely if not at all on political threads anymore.
It has become to much of a game.
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Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Unfortunately this is true for too many. The FB stuff I often see from the far right is often bazarre.
Any of the far left/right stuff is bizarre. I've seen plenty of stuff from the left that is flat out wrong and really inflammatory.
I also never been in Syria, but I think I could talk about it anyways.
Don't worry. Buford will post an article from the Family Research Council stating the videos are 100% authentic.
How do you put words into someone's mouth? The PP officials said what they said. The tapes weren't dubbed.
Planned Parenthood...I'm sure many people want it shut down because they are Pro Life. But much of the opposition has nothing to do with the abortion issue per se but the selling of baby body parts.
You don't see it that way.
But that hardly means it's a war on women. PP is not the only healthcare center that treats women. And no one has talked about cutting funding to centers far less controversial (rather, they have talked about expanding funding to those at the expense of PP). But somehow PP has become some sort of golden symbol to the left, for whatever reason.
Another issue? A federally funded organization like PP should not be making political donations.
Is that good enough for you?
What a filthy, disgusting slander by you. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating characterization of PP making tissue available at BELOW THEIR COST as "the selling of baby body parts".
And before you resort to your normal bullshit about questions and whatnot, I think that if you make a charge like that, you should have the facts first. Facts first.
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Regarding the left, I just don't see it and my FB friends or anywhere else don't compare to the vitriol and far right views. And factually incorrect views. Anything and everything that comes out they grasp on too. You can send them the link to Snopes where it showed they were 100% wrong and they ignore it.
That's funny. Its the exact same thing I'm seeing on my FB page. I try to ignore most of it ... crazy shit like Obama is not only a Muslim, but he's on the payroll of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have assigned him to destroy America. Stuff that's just so far out you can't even argue it. When I correct some facts or provide a link to Snopes or Fact Check, never get any response. They don't seem to care about facts, its more comfortable to accept stories that fit your beliefs, no matter how wacky
Unfortunately this is true for too many. The FB stuff I often see from the far right is often bazarre.
Any of the far left/right stuff is bizarre. I've seen plenty of stuff from the left that is flat out wrong and really inflammatory.
Wrong is one thing, as is inflammatory, but totally batshit crazy is something I see coming only from the right on my FB page. And I do mean crazy. I disagree with many right wing posters here, but I've never seen any posts that I regarded as batshit crazy. I have little doubt that the right wing posters here would also regard those FB items as crazy, not merely wrong or inflammatory.
I don't see how that is a war on women. You honestly think those mean conservative men are sitting around thinking, "Hey, how can will hurt women today?"
It's a talking point. And it certainly isn't conducive dialogue when you accuse the other side of hating women, blacks, Hispanics, puppies, unicorns, etc.
I see crazy from both sides but the amount of crazy from the far right greatly exceeds far left on the stuff I get on my page.
I must have too many kooky liberal friends.
Such a tolerant group.
Are any evangelicals women?
Aren't you confusing a social issue with some sort of gender discrimination?
The email, sent just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, came from Steve Baer, a Chicago-based GOP donor known for mass-emailing conservative figures and Republican lawmakers. It was addressed to McCarthy and numerous others, including the personal account of Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.), who conservative media sites have suggested is tied romantically to McCarthy.
Link - ( New Window )
I don't see how that is a war on women. You honestly think those mean conservative men are sitting around thinking, "Hey, how can will hurt women today?"
It's a talking point. And it certainly isn't conducive dialogue when you accuse the other side of hating women, blacks, Hispanics, puppies, unicorns, etc.
Eric it is the usual fear mongering the Democratic Party is famous for and engages in.
How do you put words into someone's mouth? The PP officials said what they said. The tapes weren't dubbed.
You dont get it because EVERY TIME someone explains it to you, you pretend like you're hearing it for the first time.
The videos were edited so that you heard what sounded like a haggling over price. They were selectively edited to suggest that this was a profit center for PP. Thus GOPers immediately charged that PP was profiting from the sale of baby body parts. What was clipped was the person explaining that PP was not looking to make money, just recover costs so they didnt lose money. And experts say that at the reimbursement levels discussed, PP is absolutely losing money.
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I don't get the "videos were doctored" narrative.
How do you put words into someone's mouth? The PP officials said what they said. The tapes weren't dubbed.
You dont get it because EVERY TIME someone explains it to you, you pretend like you're hearing it for the first time.
The videos were edited so that you heard what sounded like a haggling over price. They were selectively edited to suggest that this was a profit center for PP. Thus GOPers immediately charged that PP was profiting from the sale of baby body parts. What was clipped was the person explaining that PP was not looking to make money, just recover costs so they didnt lose money. And experts say that at the reimbursement levels discussed, PP is absolutely losing money. Link - ( New Window )
You hit the nail on the head. How many times has this been explained to Eric in multiple threads and his response is the same every single time.
Such a tolerant group.
Tolerance is irrelevant. I dont need to be tolerant of deceitful descriptions. If made up some fact about you and posted it here, would you have to be tolerant of that? Teach the controversy and other such nonsense?
The email, sent just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, came from Steve Baer, a Chicago-based GOP donor known for mass-emailing conservative figures and Republican lawmakers. It was addressed to McCarthy and numerous others, including the personal account of Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.), who conservative media sites have suggested is tied romantically to McCarthy. Link - ( New Window )
You dont have your lawyers write a cease and desist for nothin:
Link - ( New Window )
I still find the casual nature of the discussion of transaction of baby body parts over wine disturbing...but that's me.
But again, not a war on women. I didn't raise PP...San Fran did as "evidence" of a war on women.
If there is a war on women, half the women in this country must be pretty stupid for voting for the wrong Party.
Such a tolerant group.
You stated that people are selling baby parts.
Slander seems an accurate term. Although I think slander is spoken, not written.
I still find the casual nature of the discussion of transaction of baby body parts over wine disturbing...but that's me.
But again, not a war on women. I didn't raise PP...San Fran did as "evidence" of a war on women.
If there is a war on women, half the women in this country must be pretty stupid for voting for the wrong Party.
Maybe when the Democrats next control a house of Congress they should investigate every Republican because if they did nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. I want my elected officials to work to find solutions to the problems our country faces rather than conducting these "investigations" to score political points.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
I still find the casual nature of the discussion of transaction of baby body parts over wine disturbing...but that's me.
But again, not a war on women. I didn't raise PP...San Fran did as "evidence" of a war on women.
If there is a war on women, half the women in this country must be pretty stupid for voting for the wrong Party.
What a crock of shit man. You level a false charge about selling body parts and when pushed on it you say there will be "an investigation". I thought there was already a hearing about PP and the GOP took a pass on this nonsense?
Yet watching morning Joe, it seems that the polls show that the "war on women" is starting to become a loser for Clinton.
Glass ceiling is all but gone, pay equity has really shrunk, and that evangelical base is made up of women who have excelled in their public and private lives and would disagree with you that they are for many things. One of which is not restricting or stripping women's rights.
The country is split damn near 50/50 on the abortion issue with the most like me. I am anti abortion but could never fathom telling someone what to do or how to feel on such a personal decision. So I am pro choice for everyone except me.
If you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at half your fellow countrymen.
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I don't get the "videos were doctored" narrative.
How do you put words into someone's mouth? The PP officials said what they said. The tapes weren't dubbed.
You dont get it because EVERY TIME someone explains it to you, you pretend like you're hearing it for the first time.
The videos were edited so that you heard what sounded like a haggling over price. They were selectively edited to suggest that this was a profit center for PP. Thus GOPers immediately charged that PP was profiting from the sale of baby body parts. What was clipped was the person explaining that PP was not looking to make money, just recover costs so they didnt lose money. And experts say that at the reimbursement levels discussed, PP is absolutely losing money. Link - ( New Window )
If the videos were so deceptively edited, why did the PP President apologize for them?
There was an independent audit of the videos that said they were not significantly edited except to remove tape with no dialogue on it.
Says a man.
To be honest, I find the whole concept kind of offensive. It's one of those things that I never really thought about...what happened to the body tissue of aborted babies? It never dawned on me that transactions too place. It doesn't sit right with me. And I'm not a religious person.
But again...not a war on women.
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Slander?
Such a tolerant group.
You stated that people are selling baby parts.
Slander seems an accurate term. Although I think slander is spoken, not written.
They receive reimbursement for organs from aborted fetuses. I don't think saying they sell baby parts is slander. I think many liberals have blinders on about what exactly goes on which is why they use terms like fetus and tissue. They are harvesting full organs, preferably from later term abortions so the organs are more fully formed. It's quite clear what is going on.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
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In the hours before House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) abruptly withdrew his candidacy to be the next speaker of the House, he was sent an email from a conservative activist threatening to expose an alleged affair with a colleague. The subject line: “Kevin, why not resign like Bob Livingston?”
The email, sent just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, came from Steve Baer, a Chicago-based GOP donor known for mass-emailing conservative figures and Republican lawmakers. It was addressed to McCarthy and numerous others, including the personal account of Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.), who conservative media sites have suggested is tied romantically to McCarthy. Link - ( New Window )
You dont have your lawyers write a cease and desist for nothin: Link - ( New Window )
Damn it man. Office sex a thing of the past.
Glad I'm retired.
Now I get to hit on the Florida trailer park honey's who husbands have passed.
Except for my wife.
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They are selling baby body parts.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
A couple hours later, Halperin cryptically tweeted:
That time everyone in politics & journalism knew what happened and readers/viewers/listeners were left in the dark.
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That is his First Amendment right.
As for "independent audit", it was an commissioned by the group that shot the videos. I have no idea why you'd label that as an independent audit. PP's report, preparred by a company headed by a former WSJ investigative reporter, came to the opposite conclusion. Per the WSJ:
WSJ: Dueling Assessments of Planned Parenthood Videos - ( New Window )
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In comment 12535511 Eric from BBI said:
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They are selling baby body parts.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
Because I wouldn't call an embryo a baby. Being incorrect for the sake of connotations, not interested.