Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin seemed to allude to them during an MSNBC appearance, noting “there’s a lot of speculation” that McCarthy’s decision had “more to do with things outside of his professional life.”
A couple hours later, Halperin cryptically tweeted:
That time everyone in politics & journalism knew what happened and readers/viewers/listeners were left in the dark. Link - ( New Window )
Mark Halperin is probably my least favorite journalist ever. All he reports on is the horse race. The guy literally thinks his job is to snow the public and be liked by the cool kids in power. I mean, this is him literally bragging about not telling the public what is really going on.
To be honest, I find the whole concept kind of offensive. It's one of those things that I never really thought about...what happened to the body tissue of aborted babies? It never dawned on me that transactions too place. It doesn't sit right with me. And I'm not a religious person.
But again...not a war on women.
You're right Eric, I agree that the concept is kind of gruesome whether they give away body parts or sell them to cover their expenses. You're not wrong there.
But it's done for a very good reason - not just for the fun of shipping fetal organs. It's done because it helps us develop cures for some very awful things - not because PP gets a kick out of chopping up fetuses. If they are able to use this research to develop a cure for Alzheimers or paralysis wouldn't you want to be able to be cured of those things if they happened to you? Or you family members. Or your kids?
I don't like abortions or the idea of transferring fetal organs any more than you do - but it's a hell of a lot better than just throwing fetuses in the garbage. No fetuses are being killed for medical research - these are women that were going to have abortions anyway. So why not make the best of an awful situation?
Put it another way - would anyone here be willing to sign a pledge that they are wiling to forego the possible benefits of any cures they develop using fetal body parts? If not then none of us can honestly complain about the practice without being hypocrites.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
Because I wouldn't call an embryo a baby. Being incorrect for the sake of connotations, not interested.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
Because I wouldn't call an embryo a baby. Being incorrect for the sake of connotations, not interested.
A nineteen week old fetus is not an embryo.
And no one said it was.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
To be honest, I find the whole concept kind of offensive. It's one of those things that I never really thought about...what happened to the body tissue of aborted babies? It never dawned on me that transactions too place. It doesn't sit right with me. And I'm not a religious person.
But again...not a war on women.
You're right Eric, I agree that the concept is kind of gruesome whether they give away body parts or sell them to cover their expenses. You're not wrong there.
But it's done for a very good reason - not just for the fun of shipping fetal organs. It's done because it helps us develop cures for some very awful things - not because PP gets a kick out of chopping up fetuses. If they are able to use this research to develop a cure for Alzheimers or paralysis wouldn't you want to be able to be cured of those things if they happened to you? Or you family members. Or your kids?
I don't like abortions or the idea of transferring fetal organs any more than you do - but it's a hell of a lot better than just throwing fetuses in the garbage. No fetuses are being killed for medical research - these are women that were going to have abortions anyway. So why not make the best of an awful situation?
Put it another way - would anyone here be willing to sign a pledge that they are wiling to forego the possible benefits of any cures they develop using fetal body parts? If not then none of us can honestly complain about the practice without being hypocrites.
Top House Democrats are accusing the chairman of the House Oversight Committee of refusing to share the unedited footage from the recent undercover videos targeting Planned Parenthood.
“Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz has in his possession right now, a computer hard drive that contains videos produced by David Daleiden, the head of the group that tried to entrap Planned Parenthood,” Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) declared from the House floor, interrupting the chamber’s debate on legislation expanding the investigation into Planned Parenthood.
Chaffetz, who is running for House Speaker, received a copy of the videos on Sept. 25, and has since declined to share a copy with the Democrats, according to a Democratic committee aide.
Instead, Chaffetz has said he will set up a “viewing room” for Democratic members and staff to view the videos. Republicans have not yet hosted a screening, the aide said, calling the move a "direct violation" of the Democrats' recent subpoena of Daleiden's unedited footage.
A Republican committee aide confirmed that the viewing sessions haven't been scheduled, but added that Republicans haven't watched the footage yet, either.
The committee does plan to watch that footage, as well as the footage recently unlocked by a court order, with Democrats over the next few weeks, the aide said.
Democrats have repeatedly asked for copies of unedited footage from the secretly recorded meetings with Planned Parenthood officials and an anti-abortion group. That group, The Center for Medical Progress, has released 10 videos, each about 10 minutes long, which appear to show Planned Parenthood officials discussing the price of fetal tissue.
It's unclear if the footage given to Republicans last week is the full unedited footage that has been requested by Democrats, because Daleiden has been blocked from releasing at least some of the footage per a court order. That order was lifted Tuesday night.
"We don’t know what the videos are because, despite the fact that the videos were delivered two weeks ago, the Republicans have yet to set up their 'viewing room,'" the aide said.
Both parties acknowledge that the videos posted on YouTube are highly edited, and Democrats believe that the full footage will disprove allegations against Planned Parenthood.
“Those videos are the property of the committee, but [Chaffetz] is refusing to give the Democratic members a copy of those videos,” Slaughter said. “Those tapes are being hidden away. It appears that the Republicans don’t want the Democrats to be able to see those videos.”
The new criticism against Chaffetz and the Oversight Committee came during debate over a House bill to establish a select committee to investigate Planned Parenthood in the wake of the videos. That bill is expected to pass, largely on party lines.
So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
I've just been watching here...But agree 100% with this.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
RE: Eric is the site founder, but he's also a poster Â
he posts on football threads, why can't he post on NFTs? I'm sure if he posted in lockstep to what you believe in, it would be fine and you wouldn't say anything.
Buford, you don't have enough synapses firing to understand the issue.
Go back to complaining about all your physical issues; you play the martyr very well.
So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
SMD.
No thanks. Sorry I said it was a dick move, its more like you are a total bitch.
So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
SMD.
No thanks. Sorry I said it was a dick move, its more like you are a total bitch.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
What a relief. That's nothing at all like body parts, that's like Kleenex
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
You need to call the fetal tissue they're selling babies. That's on you.
It must play better, lumping embryos and fetuses in with babies.
...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
What a relief. That's nothing at all like body parts, that's like Kleenex
It's actually just like body parts.
So the sale of body parts is the issue? Strange how it keeps changing.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
You need to call the fetal tissue they're selling babies. That's on you.
It must play better, lumping embryos and fetuses in with babies.
You are the one doing the lumping. As I said, the organs (not tissue) are harvested from fetuses above a certain age. Not embryos. And in a few weeks those fetuses would be babies that could survive outside the womb. You are the one who has to use sanitized terminology to make it more palatable for you to accept.
...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
You like to act like you have a set of balls, Buford. Is that actually true?
RE: RE: RE: Interersting how an astute poster... Â
...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
You like to act like you have a set of balls, Buford. Is that actually true?
I really enjoy reading Eric's posts on these threads because he's obviously a very intelligent person and seems like a really good guy, so I'm curious to see why his positions are often (though not always) so different than my own on some of these issues.
People like buford really add nothing to these discussions (sorry, but it's true) but I hope Eric keeps allowing these threads and keeps contributing to them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Interersting how an astute poster... Â
...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
You like to act like you have a set of balls, Buford. Is that actually true?
Awfully sexist comment BMac.
The original comment from Buford is where you should be stating this. Once the door opens, one never knows what may enter. True statement, nonetheless.
Attacking a woman and insinuating she has testicles Â
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
You need to call the fetal tissue they're selling babies. That's on you.
It must play better, lumping embryos and fetuses in with babies.
You are the one doing the lumping. As I said, the organs (not tissue) are harvested from fetuses above a certain age. Not embryos. And in a few weeks those fetuses would be babies that could survive outside the womb. You are the one who has to use sanitized terminology to make it more palatable for you to accept.
I'd think you were kidding, but I fear you're not.
You can call fetuses and embryos toddlers, you'd be just as accurate.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Attacking a woman and insinuating she has testicles Â
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
a political think tank and actively promoted this bullshit during a season about the same timed he metamorphosed from a liberal Democrat into a Tea Party conservative.
Maybe it's as simple as the site needs more hits to attract more advertisers at higher rates.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Attacking a woman and insinuating she has testicles Â
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
Goodness... The anger from you. As a liberal, I'm shocked that you would not want to defend women! How on earth am I wanting to keep women "barefoot in the kitchen"??? You're the one that won't defend them! You are attacking a woman here just for her belief! Unacceptable!!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Attacking a woman and insinuating she has testicles Â
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
Goodness... The anger from you. As a liberal, I'm shocked that you would not want to defend women! How on earth am I wanting to keep women "barefoot in the kitchen"??? You're the one that won't defend them! You are attacking a woman here just for her belief! Unacceptable!!!
You apparently are unable to follow a reasoned statement, nor can you form a cogent argument, so I'll waste no more time on you.
Those are some big buttons, though.
Nighty night. Don't let the bedbugs bite.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Attacking a woman and insinuating she has testicles Â
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
Goodness... The anger from you. As a liberal, I'm shocked that you would not want to defend women! How on earth am I wanting to keep women "barefoot in the kitchen"??? You're the one that won't defend them! You are attacking a woman here just for her belief! Unacceptable!!!
You apparently are unable to follow a reasoned statement, nor can you form a cogent argument, so I'll waste no more time on you.
When I joined I used to participate on these threads as they got to a point where the fact base and partisanship made mincemeat at what I thought were serious subjects actual citizens should be serious about. And at that time a lot of the discussion was about the ME ...A subject and area I had to visit often...or econ/finance ..so to me at that time policy ( an area I think should be discussed) and politics ( a circus designed to extract mental and financial rent from people who could be doing g better things) intermixed to a greater extent than they do now.
Now when I see political threads about parties or candidates) I see accidents on the highway. The log jam of people stopping annoys me but when I do wind up watching the source of fascination. Hypocritical I am sure.
I dunno how anyone can allow their self identity to be so wrapped up in this junk that they get upset about it. There is not a dimes worth of difference on the things and priorities that matter between almost all of them imho...and this comes from someone who used to be engaged and donate and I dunno...five degrees separated ( I try to stay seven degrees out now a days).
but to each his own...and this is where we differ. The site has always been and allowed discussions about a wide range of subjects. We win out most of the time because it is allowed to be more than a football site. Always has been that way. So it's nothing new. Used to be much more of a wild west show. Now much less so. So now Eric participates more on these threads. He always did on history threads ( where he is a great as in one of the top contributors on several subjects like Ww2) and econ threads and econ policy and foreign policy and trade policy ( where he again is an excellent contributor...As in one of the very best we have). To me. ..so what? I am not going to vote or not vote or be influenced by anyone who does not bring up fact intense and supported opinion....which I will merge with my own. I own my mind. Not any poster. So to me...I incorporate the best of what I read as from any other source and otherwise preserve brain cells...we only have so many...why burn a nerve on every days ticker tape of passing monkey chatter?
Emotion spent on this stuff is like measuring with a micrometer and missing by a mile. It's irrelevant ( or will be) to our lives. We are not given real choice so to me it's 99.5% exercise in pretend influence and control. So to me the practical response is a .5 effort on my part. Again imho.
No reply on this imho as it is not a debate nor personal between us. Take care.
A couple hours later, Halperin cryptically tweeted:
That time everyone in politics & journalism knew what happened and readers/viewers/listeners were left in the dark. Link - ( New Window )
Mark Halperin is probably my least favorite journalist ever. All he reports on is the horse race. The guy literally thinks his job is to snow the public and be liked by the cool kids in power. I mean, this is him literally bragging about not telling the public what is really going on.
What a fucking joke.
Wrong thread but he did look good.
To be honest, I find the whole concept kind of offensive. It's one of those things that I never really thought about...what happened to the body tissue of aborted babies? It never dawned on me that transactions too place. It doesn't sit right with me. And I'm not a religious person.
But again...not a war on women.
You're right Eric, I agree that the concept is kind of gruesome whether they give away body parts or sell them to cover their expenses. You're not wrong there.
But it's done for a very good reason - not just for the fun of shipping fetal organs. It's done because it helps us develop cures for some very awful things - not because PP gets a kick out of chopping up fetuses. If they are able to use this research to develop a cure for Alzheimers or paralysis wouldn't you want to be able to be cured of those things if they happened to you? Or you family members. Or your kids?
I don't like abortions or the idea of transferring fetal organs any more than you do - but it's a hell of a lot better than just throwing fetuses in the garbage. No fetuses are being killed for medical research - these are women that were going to have abortions anyway. So why not make the best of an awful situation?
Put it another way - would anyone here be willing to sign a pledge that they are wiling to forego the possible benefits of any cures they develop using fetal body parts? If not then none of us can honestly complain about the practice without being hypocrites.
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I see crazy from both sides but the amount of crazy from the far right greatly exceeds far left on the stuff I get on my page.
I must have too many kooky liberal friends.
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They are selling baby body parts.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
Because I wouldn't call an embryo a baby. Being incorrect for the sake of connotations, not interested.
A nineteen week old fetus is not an embryo.
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I see crazy from both sides but the amount of crazy from the far right greatly exceeds far left on the stuff I get on my page.
I must have too many kooky liberal friends.
I just found out on my fb page that Hillary has six months to live. More health problems than you can imagine plus an alcoholic.
I didn't need FB for that, I can read that online at the supermarket.
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They are selling baby body parts.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
Or baby organs.....why do you have to sanitize it? If you support what they do, then support it. Here are some facts, abortion is ending a human life, willfully. The 'fetus' is a baby that if it stayed in the uterus a few more weeks would survive to be a person. Sometimes the aborted fetuses are born alive and left to die in a metal bowl (which was shown in the video that Fiorina referenced). I believe that women have a right to end a pregnancy, up to a point. Many European countries have 16 and 20 week limits. The US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world.
Because I wouldn't call an embryo a baby. Being incorrect for the sake of connotations, not interested.
A nineteen week old fetus is not an embryo.
And no one said it was.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
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So PP is just giving away baby body parts?
To be honest, I find the whole concept kind of offensive. It's one of those things that I never really thought about...what happened to the body tissue of aborted babies? It never dawned on me that transactions too place. It doesn't sit right with me. And I'm not a religious person.
But again...not a war on women.
You're right Eric, I agree that the concept is kind of gruesome whether they give away body parts or sell them to cover their expenses. You're not wrong there.
But it's done for a very good reason - not just for the fun of shipping fetal organs. It's done because it helps us develop cures for some very awful things - not because PP gets a kick out of chopping up fetuses. If they are able to use this research to develop a cure for Alzheimers or paralysis wouldn't you want to be able to be cured of those things if they happened to you? Or you family members. Or your kids?
I don't like abortions or the idea of transferring fetal organs any more than you do - but it's a hell of a lot better than just throwing fetuses in the garbage. No fetuses are being killed for medical research - these are women that were going to have abortions anyway. So why not make the best of an awful situation?
Put it another way - would anyone here be willing to sign a pledge that they are wiling to forego the possible benefits of any cures they develop using fetal body parts? If not then none of us can honestly complain about the practice without being hypocrites.
“Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz has in his possession right now, a computer hard drive that contains videos produced by David Daleiden, the head of the group that tried to entrap Planned Parenthood,” Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) declared from the House floor, interrupting the chamber’s debate on legislation expanding the investigation into Planned Parenthood.
Chaffetz, who is running for House Speaker, received a copy of the videos on Sept. 25, and has since declined to share a copy with the Democrats, according to a Democratic committee aide.
Instead, Chaffetz has said he will set up a “viewing room” for Democratic members and staff to view the videos. Republicans have not yet hosted a screening, the aide said, calling the move a "direct violation" of the Democrats' recent subpoena of Daleiden's unedited footage.
A Republican committee aide confirmed that the viewing sessions haven't been scheduled, but added that Republicans haven't watched the footage yet, either.
The committee does plan to watch that footage, as well as the footage recently unlocked by a court order, with Democrats over the next few weeks, the aide said.
Democrats have repeatedly asked for copies of unedited footage from the secretly recorded meetings with Planned Parenthood officials and an anti-abortion group. That group, The Center for Medical Progress, has released 10 videos, each about 10 minutes long, which appear to show Planned Parenthood officials discussing the price of fetal tissue.
It's unclear if the footage given to Republicans last week is the full unedited footage that has been requested by Democrats, because Daleiden has been blocked from releasing at least some of the footage per a court order. That order was lifted Tuesday night.
"We don’t know what the videos are because, despite the fact that the videos were delivered two weeks ago, the Republicans have yet to set up their 'viewing room,'" the aide said.
Both parties acknowledge that the videos posted on YouTube are highly edited, and Democrats believe that the full footage will disprove allegations against Planned Parenthood.
“Those videos are the property of the committee, but [Chaffetz] is refusing to give the Democratic members a copy of those videos,” Slaughter said. “Those tapes are being hidden away. It appears that the Republicans don’t want the Democrats to be able to see those videos.”
The new criticism against Chaffetz and the Oversight Committee came during debate over a House bill to establish a select committee to investigate Planned Parenthood in the wake of the videos. That bill is expected to pass, largely on party lines.
—Updated Thursday at 11:20 a.m.
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No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
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So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
You miss the point. Completely. If your argument were valid, however, the same reasoning would apply to me.
That is his First Amendment right.
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So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
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So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
You miss the point. Completely. If your argument were valid, however, the same reasoning would apply to me.
That is his First Amendment right.
Put the response in the wrong place.
You miss the point. Completely. If your argument were valid, however, the same reasoning would apply to me.
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So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
I've just been watching here...But agree 100% with this.
A nineteen week old fetus is not an embryo.
And no one said it was.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
Buford, you don't have enough synapses firing to understand the issue.
Go back to complaining about all your physical issues; you play the martyr very well.
You have no history here and, although you are certainly free to express yourself, have no real idea of where I'm coming from.
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So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
SMD.
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So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
SMD.
No thanks. Sorry I said it was a dick move, its more like you are a total bitch.
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So you decided not to support BBI - a sports site - because you disagree with the politics of the owner?
No. Because the owner, for many years, has held this sort of NON-SPORTS activity in pretty reasonable check. Now the owner is a primary instigator of fruitless ideological bickering. Outside the football season, I don't really care. During the season, I do.
Well then maybe you should leave the site. I have learned a lot of politics from both Eric and the opposite viewpoint. And never has it gotten to the point where it's personal. You dont agree with him? Fine.
But what you just posted is a total dick move. You dont like it? Leave. Pretty simple if you ask me.
SMD.
No thanks. Sorry I said it was a dick move, its more like you are a total bitch.
Stifle it, newbie.
No thanks. Sorry I said it was a dick move, its more like you are a total bitch.
LOL, total beyotch with a very sandy vagina.
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They are selling baby body parts.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
What a relief. That's nothing at all like body parts, that's like Kleenex
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A nineteen week old fetus is not an embryo.
And no one said it was.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
You need to call the fetal tissue they're selling babies. That's on you.
It must play better, lumping embryos and fetuses in with babies.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
I've donated far more already than you ever will. I mean, if you want to start sucking Eric off rather than Eli, well, it's a free country.
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They are selling baby body parts.
What would be illegal is if it is for profit.
Nowhere on this thread did I say they were definitely doing it for profit. But that's the question. If Deej is correct, then there is no illegal activity. But they are still selling parts.
They're selling fetal tissue.
What a relief. That's nothing at all like body parts, that's like Kleenex
It's actually just like body parts.
So the sale of body parts is the issue? Strange how it keeps changing.
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A nineteen week old fetus is not an embryo.
And no one said it was.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
You need to call the fetal tissue they're selling babies. That's on you.
It must play better, lumping embryos and fetuses in with babies.
You are the one doing the lumping. As I said, the organs (not tissue) are harvested from fetuses above a certain age. Not embryos. And in a few weeks those fetuses would be babies that could survive outside the womb. You are the one who has to use sanitized terminology to make it more palatable for you to accept.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
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...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
You like to act like you have a set of balls, Buford. Is that actually true?
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...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
You like to act like you have a set of balls, Buford. Is that actually true?
Awfully sexist comment BMac.
People like buford really add nothing to these discussions (sorry, but it's true) but I hope Eric keeps allowing these threads and keeps contributing to them.
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...made an observation that Eric, as a businessman, wasa making a chancy move by becoming embroiled in ideological battles on here, perhaps to his detriment.
Eric responds that his wife has said the same thing to him.
This poster, who has supported the site, sometimes with double payments, agreed and stated that this did, indeed make a difference this year.
Said poster gets attacked for providing honest feedback to the site owner.
Some of the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth, as if some apostasy had been committed. Truly, these same usual suspects fear that these extraordinarily divisive and unproductive topics may disappear, making their existence here moot, since many don't post at all on football threads.
Then one famous female schmuck makes a disparaging comment using female genitals. It's surreal.
Aww, I made a disparaging comment. WHHHAAA! I had no idea you were such a shrinking violet. Too bad it doesn't stop you from dishing it out.
You like to act like you have a set of balls, Buford. Is that actually true?
Awfully sexist comment BMac.
The original comment from Buford is where you should be stating this. Once the door opens, one never knows what may enter. True statement, nonetheless.
i have been on bbi for a long time. worst poster ever
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
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Just seems out of line.
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
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Just seems out of line.
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
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Just seems out of line.
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
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A nineteen week old fetus is not an embryo.
And no one said it was.
Buford and Eric are calling embryos babies, however.
How old do you think the fetuses are in these videos? Many are 18 weeks or more. Those are not embryos. The embryo stage is about 10 weeks. Then it's a fetus.
You need to call the fetal tissue they're selling babies. That's on you.
It must play better, lumping embryos and fetuses in with babies.
You are the one doing the lumping. As I said, the organs (not tissue) are harvested from fetuses above a certain age. Not embryos. And in a few weeks those fetuses would be babies that could survive outside the womb. You are the one who has to use sanitized terminology to make it more palatable for you to accept.
I'd think you were kidding, but I fear you're not.
You can call fetuses and embryos toddlers, you'd be just as accurate.
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Just seems out of line.
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
Maybe it's as simple as the site needs more hits to attract more advertisers at higher rates.
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Just seems out of line.
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
Goodness... The anger from you. As a liberal, I'm shocked that you would not want to defend women! How on earth am I wanting to keep women "barefoot in the kitchen"??? You're the one that won't defend them! You are attacking a woman here just for her belief! Unacceptable!!!
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Just seems out of line.
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
Goodness... The anger from you. As a liberal, I'm shocked that you would not want to defend women! How on earth am I wanting to keep women "barefoot in the kitchen"??? You're the one that won't defend them! You are attacking a woman here just for her belief! Unacceptable!!!
You apparently are unable to follow a reasoned statement, nor can you form a cogent argument, so I'll waste no more time on you.
Those are some big buttons, though.
Nighty night. Don't let the bedbugs bite.
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Just seems out of line.
Attacking a man and insinuating he has a vagina (and a sandy one at that) just seems out of line. Double-standard much?
If the dumb fuck can't stand the heat, she needs to use the outhouse.
As a man, you are expected to be above that.
Horseshit, plain and simple. When were you born, 1920?
SMH. As long as things fit your anger pallet I guess it's ok.
You don't seem to understand that when someone repeatedly inserts themselves into these kind of threads and is exceptionally confrontational, and I'm referring to Buford in this case, that all bets are off.
Just because you want to keep women on a pedestal (or better yet, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen) doesn't mean that anyone else feels that way.
Responses aren't made in a vacuum. If someone sticks their snout in the fire well, it's likely to get burned.
By the way, just what is an "anger pallet," or did you mean "palette?" In any case, it's a nonsensical statement.
Goodness... The anger from you. As a liberal, I'm shocked that you would not want to defend women! How on earth am I wanting to keep women "barefoot in the kitchen"??? You're the one that won't defend them! You are attacking a woman here just for her belief! Unacceptable!!!
You apparently are unable to follow a reasoned statement, nor can you form a cogent argument, so I'll waste no more time on you.
Those are some big buttons, though.
Nighty night. Don't let the bedbugs bite.
Goodnight misogynist.
Don't know if another perspective helps but...
When I joined I used to participate on these threads as they got to a point where the fact base and partisanship made mincemeat at what I thought were serious subjects actual citizens should be serious about. And at that time a lot of the discussion was about the ME ...A subject and area I had to visit often...or econ/finance ..so to me at that time policy ( an area I think should be discussed) and politics ( a circus designed to extract mental and financial rent from people who could be doing g better things) intermixed to a greater extent than they do now.
Now when I see political threads about parties or candidates) I see accidents on the highway. The log jam of people stopping annoys me but when I do wind up watching the source of fascination. Hypocritical I am sure.
I dunno how anyone can allow their self identity to be so wrapped up in this junk that they get upset about it. There is not a dimes worth of difference on the things and priorities that matter between almost all of them imho...and this comes from someone who used to be engaged and donate and I dunno...five degrees separated ( I try to stay seven degrees out now a days).
but to each his own...and this is where we differ. The site has always been and allowed discussions about a wide range of subjects. We win out most of the time because it is allowed to be more than a football site. Always has been that way. So it's nothing new. Used to be much more of a wild west show. Now much less so. So now Eric participates more on these threads. He always did on history threads ( where he is a great as in one of the top contributors on several subjects like Ww2) and econ threads and econ policy and foreign policy and trade policy ( where he again is an excellent contributor...As in one of the very best we have). To me. ..so what? I am not going to vote or not vote or be influenced by anyone who does not bring up fact intense and supported opinion....which I will merge with my own. I own my mind. Not any poster. So to me...I incorporate the best of what I read as from any other source and otherwise preserve brain cells...we only have so many...why burn a nerve on every days ticker tape of passing monkey chatter?
Emotion spent on this stuff is like measuring with a micrometer and missing by a mile. It's irrelevant ( or will be) to our lives. We are not given real choice so to me it's 99.5% exercise in pretend influence and control. So to me the practical response is a .5 effort on my part. Again imho.
No reply on this imho as it is not a debate nor personal between us. Take care.