The incident started when the boy asked to see the girl's puppy.
When she said no, the boy got a gun and shot her dead, according to the sheriff. The boy used his father's 12-gauge shotgun, which he got from an unlocked closet.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/us/girl-killed-puppy-in-tennessee/index.html 
In the unlikely (but still possible) event I'd have to fumble for a gun to deal with an intruder, I took the risk of it taking longer for me to confront an intruder dealing with the lock and getting ammunition in order to eliminate the risk of one of my kids (or kids' friends) somehow getting their hands on one of my guns.
I'm biased because I don't play them and didn't allow my kids to play them, but these "first person shooter" games are part of the problem (not sure about this case specifically). Never point a gun (real or fake) at a person or at anything you don't intend on harming.
This is all on the parents.
Terrible situation. I hope the father of the boy is charged with something for his stupidity.
I doubt it. One thing that most irresponsible people have in common is that they have really hard time imagining something bad will happen because of their irresponsibility.
In the unlikely (but still possible) event I'd have to fumble for a gun to deal with an intruder, I took the risk of it taking longer for me to confront an intruder dealing with the lock and getting ammunition in order to eliminate the risk of one of my kids (or kids' friends) somehow getting their hands on one of my guns.
I'm biased because I don't play them and didn't allow my kids to play them, but these "first person shooter" games are part of the problem (not sure about this case specifically). Never point a gun (real or fake) at a person or at anything you don't intend on harming.
This is all on the parents.
Video games have ratings, and most FPS games are rated M for mature. This means that you cannot buy them without ID, and most be over 17.
If a kid age is playing an FPS game, it's still on the parents IMO.
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boy should be dragged out into a field and shot dead in front of his parents maybe then some of these bad parents will be careful with their guns and parenting techniques
I doubt it. One thing that most irresponsible people have in common is that they have really hard time imagining something bad will happen because of their irresponsibility.
Your right it wont matter.
Not challenging you, genuinely curious.
I sort of disagree with this. I think it's a solution dances around the problem. Sure, he is guilty of child endangerment, but this won't do anything to address the real problem. The gun.
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The boy's father should go to jail for a very long time. Probably won't happen, but that's what he deserves.
I sort of disagree with this. I think it's a solution dances around the problem. Sure, he is guilty of child endangerment, but this won't do anything to address the real problem. The gun.
Except that short of a wholesale repeal of the 2nd amendment, and some sort of program to successfully get 300+ millions gun back out of circulation, "the problem" won't be rectified.
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The boy's father should go to jail for a very long time. Probably won't happen, but that's what he deserves.
I sort of disagree with this. I think it's a solution dances around the problem. Sure, he is guilty of child endangerment, but this won't do anything to address the real problem. The gun.
I'd love to solve the real problem. This wouldn't be an attempt to solve the larger problem, but it'd go a good damn way towards solving part of the immediate problem, which is that there are idiots with guns who don't take the proper precautions to keep accidents (and deliberate events) like this from happening.
By law or by best practice, this should 100% have never happened. Doesn't matter whether you're a gun rights or gun control advocate, the one thing everyone should be very quick to agree on is that children should not have unsupervised access to firearms, ever.
As crazy as it seems I might actually support something like this because this kid is so fucking heinous and his parents being so absolutely reckless caused another set of parents to lose their child. There's certainly a sick sense of 'justice' to it.
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boy should be dragged out into a field and shot dead in front of his parents maybe then some of these bad parents will be careful with their guns and parenting techniques
As crazy as it seems I might actually support something like this because this kid is so fucking heinous and his parents being so absolutely reckless caused another set of parents to lose their child. There's certainly a sick sense of 'justice' to it.
No, justice would be putting a bullet in the father's head.
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boy should be dragged out into a field and shot dead in front of his parents maybe then some of these bad parents will be careful with their guns and parenting techniques
As crazy as it seems I might actually support something like this because this kid is so fucking heinous and his parents being so absolutely reckless caused another set of parents to lose their child. There's certainly a sick sense of 'justice' to it.
I don't think any rational person wants a society where 12 year olds get dragged into a field and shot in front of their parents. If that sounds like a good idea, you probably like what the Saudi's are doing with stonings.
This is a horrible tragedy, and I can't even begin to imagine the grief that poor girl's family is going through. Having loaded guns accessible to minors in your home should carry a very lengthy jail term. The downside to that is that the only way to enforce it is after tragedies like this, not before to prevent them.
The 12 year old committed the crime, but the father is almost as guilty for making this so crime so easy to commit.
The question is, how do you get guns out of the hands of idiots? I don't know the answer to that.
The problem is not the gun. it's the improper storing of it.
The problem is not the gun. it's the improper storing of it.
How do we end the fear mongering that is ever present?
That stupid bitch mother in Sandy Hook learned her lesson the hard way! Her son killed her, unfortunately he didn't stop there!
I own four handguns, all are unloaded, and locked in a safe which only I know the combo to. I'm retired PO that's why I have 4 handguns.
There should be mandatory safety courses and background checks universally for anyone wanting to own a gun. I understand this doesn't apply to long guns and shotguns, but there has to be a middle ground with common sense.
If your comment was towards me, I in no way advocated banning guns, I'm just advocating common sense.
Headhunter, senseless is the right adjective! I'm just appalled at the lack of common sense when you see how easy it is to acquire a gun, legally and illegally! There has to be a system nation wide to weed out the emotionally disturbed and idiots.
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The boy's father should go to jail for a very long time. Probably won't happen, but that's what he deserves.
I sort of disagree with this. I think it's a solution dances around the problem. Sure, he is guilty of child endangerment, but this won't do anything to address the real problem. The gun.
Except that short of a wholesale repeal of the 2nd amendment, and some sort of program to successfully get 300+ millions gun back out of circulation, "the problem" won't be rectified.
I know. Let's do nothing! It's working like a charm now. We only have to bury a few kids a week. That's acceptable loss for a ghoul like Wayne Lapierre and his army gun-loving lunatics...
He's a sociopath. You don't bully and eventually murder someone by accident. I'll bet they find dead animals buried somewhere in the area.
Well that obviously didn't happen, because instead of trying to killing the girl via the very difficult process of running her over in a car he doesn't know how to operate, he just used the right tool for the job.
I wonder if they might just say "WTF is wrong with you people?!?!?"
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The boy's father should go to jail for a very long time. Probably won't happen, but that's what he deserves.
I sort of disagree with this. I think it's a solution dances around the problem. Sure, he is guilty of child endangerment, but this won't do anything to address the real problem. The gun.
Gonna go door to door taking everyone's guns?
And who really puts much stock into the Harvard/UCLA study that concluded:
"For 15 year olds to 24 year olds, the firearm homicide rate in the United States was 42.7 times higher than in the other countries."
Nonsense! Gimme my guns!
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The boy's father should go to jail for a very long time. Probably won't happen, but that's what he deserves.
I sort of disagree with this. I think it's a solution dances around the problem. Sure, he is guilty of child endangerment, but this won't do anything to address the real problem. The gun.
Gonna go door to door taking everyone's guns?
That's already happening. Didn't you hear? Thanks, Obama!
And who really puts much stock into the Harvard/UCLA study that concluded:
"For 15 year olds to 24 year olds, the firearm homicide rate in the United States was 42.7 times higher than in the other countries."
Nonsense! Gimme my guns!
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B... How does that graph pan out per capita?
But of course the BBI Liberal Brigade will blame the usual suspects.
Obviously these tragedies can't always been prevented, but it's not unreasonable to put heat on those who are too cavalier with their gun ownership.
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B... How does that graph pan out per capita?
It is per capita. See where it says "per 100,000" people? That means its per capita.
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And I don't doubt for a second that things have not improved over the last couple of years. Nothing to see here.
And who really puts much stock into the Harvard/UCLA study that concluded:
"For 15 year olds to 24 year olds, the firearm homicide rate in the United States was 42.7 times higher than in the other countries."
Nonsense! Gimme my guns!
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B... How does that graph pan out per capita?
it is per capita
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And I don't doubt for a second that things have not improved over the last couple of years. Nothing to see here.
And who really puts much stock into the Harvard/UCLA study that concluded:
"For 15 year olds to 24 year olds, the firearm homicide rate in the United States was 42.7 times higher than in the other countries."
Nonsense! Gimme my guns!
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B... How does that graph pan out per capita?
it is per capita
Was wondering how long it would take someone...
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And I don't doubt for a second that things have not improved over the last couple of years. Nothing to see here.
And who really puts much stock into the Harvard/UCLA study that concluded:
"For 15 year olds to 24 year olds, the firearm homicide rate in the United States was 42.7 times higher than in the other countries."
Nonsense! Gimme my guns!
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B... How does that graph pan out per capita?
The US is #1 in gun ownership per capita in the world... Something like 112 per 100 citizens. Beating countries like Serbia and Yemen considerably.
If you're oddly referencing a "developed country" argument I will happily bow out because that is the height of absurdity.
But you definitely get the benefit of the doubt. No question. So there it is.
Don't be an asshole. I'm offering facts. Draw your own conclusions.
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But please lay out your plan for removing guns in America.
Don't be an asshole. I'm offering facts. Draw your own conclusions.
And I asked a simple question. Love the vitriol. Keep it up.
I would have no problem if we were to restrict semi-auto and larger round capacity weapons but at least there is improvements.
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Im babbling about you calling me an asshole.
ummm, no you weren't
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But please lay out your plan for removing guns in America.
ummm, no you weren't
Care to explain?
Is that what you were doing?